PILOT SPIN
Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: Rush on July 27, 2025, 03:09:14 PM
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Wow, SCOTUS is going to weigh in on this. School hiding transgender indoctrination from parents.
https://x.com/libsoftiktok/status/1949549376449265667
Lee et al. v. Poudre School District R-1 et al. (Docket No. 25-89), petitioned for review of a 10th Circuit ruling on parental rights in a secret gender club incident.
I thought I’d take it out of the Covid thread. You’re welcome.
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Who owns the children, parents or Government?
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Who owns the children, parents or Government?
Communist (democrats) believe they do.
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So far I haven't seen any source detailing the grounds for the parents' appeal. The 10th Circuit Court ruled in favor of the district on fairly narrow grounds - basically that the plaintiffs hadn't established "municipal liability", i.e. they hadn't shown that the conduct of the teacher and the guest speaker were driven by district policy. That makes me wonder whether SCOTUS might opt to focus on that issue alone and evade the larger questions. In other words, the outcome, even if it favors the parents, might not strengthen parents' right to information about a child who has come out as trans or otherwise LGBT.
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The circuit loves to avoid enforcing law and constitutional protections 8n favor of feel good, bullshit, and outright made up nonsense.
The hit to the reputation of democrat appointed judges is brutal and correct.
Those pathetic assholes ignore the larger issue, which is the damage being done to children hustled by a partisan, leftist cabal, dedicated to anything but the truth.
https://nypost.com/2025/07/26/us-news/fashion-model-learning-to-be-a-man-after-being-pushed-to-transition/
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Moving my post to the new thread.
https://www.thefp.com/p/i-thought-i-was-saving-trans-kids
I can barely discuss this topic and find myself becoming quite strident about it. I currently know FOUR families devastated by this 100% cultural attack on innocent people. Yes, 100%. You can’t tell me the number of people “born in the wrong body” is anything but negligible.
As for the surgeries, come on. They’re happening, they’re ugly and awful, and they ruin lives forever. The pictures are on the internet. Breasts gone. Penises gone. The “vaginas” are made from a section of rectum, and the smell of fecal matter lingers. The male hormones make girls aggressive and their clitorises act like a “micro penis.” Ms. Reed said in another article that doctors repeatedly say “we’re flying this plane while we’re building it,” and that no patient should be treated like that.
No amount of “reasoned discussion” or sophistry or especially TOLERANCE will ever, ever erase this horrific stain on human history. It must be stopped. It’s a grievous, heinous crime against humanity.
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The circuit loves to avoid enforcing law and constitutional protections 8n favor of feel good, bullshit, and outright made up nonsense.
The hit to the reputation of democrat appointed judges is brutal and correct.
Those pathetic assholes ignore the larger issue, which is the damage being done to children hustled by a partisan, leftist cabal, dedicated to anything but the truth.
https://nypost.com/2025/07/26/us-news/fashion-model-learning-to-be-a-man-after-being-pushed-to-transition/
As for those doctors, Yardley is surprisingly merciful. “I don’t believe, as a Christian, that people are setting out to do evil for evil’s sake. I don’t think anyone has that in their heart,” he said.
“But I think it has a lot to do with an overreach of professionals and a lot to do with money. Hospitals make a lot of money from these procedures. They benefit from having lifelong patients, which is what transgender people are. You need the hormones to maintain the identity.”
That’s a great article. He’s more forgiving than I’d be, but he’s right, the road to hell is paved with good intentions. Transgenders DO have a high suicide rate, and they (the medical professionals) probably sincerely believe they’re saving them. Not the surgeons though, I’ll get to that in a minute.
Let me be devil’s advocate. I’ve talked about my friend who offed himself at age 23. What I haven’t talked about so much is the many attempts he made prior to succeeding, from age 16 on, and he was hospitalized in the psyche ward for it. Let’s suppose I’m a doctor or psychologist and this person comes before me at some point after first attempt and tells me he cannot stand his blooming masculinity and can’t live with it and will keep trying to kill himself until he succeeds. Compassion kicks in and I want to ease his pain so I recommend medical transitioning. I have seen patients respond well to the hormones so know that they work… in the short term at least.
These professionals have been mis-educated and mis-informed, and subject to a controlled propaganda campaign so pervasive you're not even aware of how insidious it is. So you aren’t aware of the long term damage of cross sex hormones and even if you are, you genuinely believe if they suffer long term side effects, at least they’re alive.
So that I can sorta get. But the surgeons not so much. They know good and well the risks and complications and that the bottom surgeries are experimental. Even the “successful” ones the results are a sad facsimile of the real thing, as much like biological genitals as a cardboard cutout is a real person.
Yet they do them one after another and as he says, money is the reason. We know that some psychopathic traits are higher among surgeons, which means they cannot feel, or at least can set aside, empathy. So they don’t care when they wreck a person for life. They will happily do revision after revision, collecting the money, until a patient finally gets bitchy about never being fixed, after which they dismiss them, ghost them, tell the staff not to respond to them anymore, and probably share blacklists with other surgeons.
Make no mistake, thank God for surgeons and their psychopathology: It allows them to butcher human flesh. When they are motivated to do an excellent job for the right reasons, they can butcher and rebuild like my hip. God love ‘em. The evil ones can do these genital/urinary/rectum mutilations knowing there is a high failure rate, yet they don’t care.
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Here’s what leapt out at me.
“He’d been late to start puberty and had interests in singing and dancing. Classmates began to ask if he was gay or a girl. He’d never heard of transgenderism. “I had not questioned my own identity before other people started asking me questions and putting that on me,” he says.”
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I honestly believe the majority of supposedly do-voided professionals are either desperate to reflect the bullshit pop culture lies that communist democrats are constantly pushing as truth.
There are 32 genders and you can change yours with nothing but a word.
Men can get pregnant.
Everyone MUST submit to multiple vaccines in case something might happen, (even after the whole scam blew up in their lying, irruption faces).
The need among stupid people and other kinds of liberals to conform and force conformity on everyone else IS a mental health problem, exploited by trash like bill gates and tony the quack fauci and facilitated by corrup politicians bribed by the criminals at big Pharma.
It was never about mental health.
It is all about money and power, as usual when talking about communist democrats.
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I’m going to belabor this surgical point further. There is a huge difference between necessary surgery for a pathology, like my hip arthritis, or mastectomies for breast cancer, and elective surgery on healthy tissue.
All surgeries come with risks and are irreversible. Elective surgery on healthy tissue should only be done in the most extreme circumstances, like you were born with a nose so big it arrives at a destination ten minutes before the rest of you.
Pride is the greatest sin. A huge industry has arisen around plastic “cosmetic” surgery. Women have decided they don’t want to age gracefully. And the plastic surgery industry has embraced transgenders as a giant new pool of profit. The external appearance of the chest and crotch is a big deal and is basically a “cosmetic” endeavor though specialties such as urology are involved. The “top” surgeries on girls are not done by oncologists. It’s all just for cosmetic purposes and unnecessary medically.
They justify it by saying the emotional need is there like the person born with a massive nose. But there is a big difference in risk and consequences. Plastic surgery began for noble reasons, like rebuilding a faux dick after a man steps on a land mine. But now it has expanded to ludicrous levels. Removing a rib so your figure is more feminine, cutting and shortening your clavicle so your shoulders are narrower.
Older celebrity women now all sport ridiculous faces because they can’t face looking their actual age. Pride. That’s the culture now, and not pride in something worthy like a job well done or having raised good kids, but pride in superficial appearances.
The surgical industry supporting this mates well with the transgender craze.
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So far I haven't seen any source detailing the grounds for the parents' appeal. The 10th Circuit Court ruled in favor of the district on fairly narrow grounds - basically that the plaintiffs hadn't established "municipal liability", i.e. they hadn't shown that the conduct of the teacher and the guest speaker were driven by district policy. That makes me wonder whether SCOTUS might opt to focus on that issue alone and evade the larger questions. In other words, the outcome, even if it favors the parents, might not strengthen parents' right to information about a child who has come out as trans or otherwise LGBT.
If nothing else it’s a step in the right direction and helps expose the issue.
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Moving my post to the new thread.
https://www.thefp.com/p/i-thought-i-was-saving-trans-kids
I can barely discuss this topic and find myself becoming quite strident about it. I currently know FOUR families devastated by this 100% cultural attack on innocent people. Yes, 100%. You can’t tell me the number of people “born in the wrong body” is anything but negligible.
As for the surgeries, come on. They’re happening, they’re ugly and awful, and they ruin lives forever. The pictures are on the internet. Breasts gone. Penises gone. The “vaginas” are made from a section of rectum, and the smell of fecal matter lingers. The male hormones make girls aggressive and their clitorises act like a “micro penis.” Ms. Reed said in another article that doctors repeatedly say “we’re flying this plane while we’re building it,” and that no patient should be treated like that.
No amount of “reasoned discussion” or sophistry or especially TOLERANCE will ever, ever erase this horrific stain on human history. It must be stopped. It’s a grievous, heinous crime against humanity.
GREAT article.
Nitpicky: The “vaginas” aren’t always made from colon and it’s technically colon, not rectum. There are several options:
Intestinal, or Sigmoid Colon
Pros: Self lubricating
Cons: Smells like shit and is always lubricated (hence discharging) unlike a vagina which only lubricates when sexually excited
Peritoneal (lining of the abdomen)
Pros: Might not need to do as much dilation (dildo insertion to keep it from closing up)
Cons: Can form recto-vaginal fistula (hole) and not only smell like shit but discharge shit with no anal sphincter to contain it
Regular skin, they probably harvest from thigh or torso, then construct around a mold they leave in you for a while until it heals up
Pros: No dilation needed during healing but you have to periodically remove and clean the mold
Cons: Must dilate the rest of your life after final mold removal or risk it closing up plus it might grow hair
Buccal mucosa - that’s the lining of your mouth
Pros: Hairless and self lubricating, just like a vagina!
Cons: Not that much tissue available, I guess you end up with a smaller innie and can’t accommodate generously endowed males, if you can find one that wants to “do” you and your fake poosay. And of course, the con of major painful stripping of the inside of your mouth.
And finally: Penile inversion, or as it’s commonly known, the dick flip
Pros: You don’t have the shit smell and I think? the surgical mechanics makes it easier to form a “clitoris” out of your glans
Cons: Can grow hair, isn’t self lubricating so you have to dilate for life, if you took puberty blockers you won’t have enough penile skin
A common trajectory is they start with penile inversion, the body tries real hard to close it up because it is interpreted as a wound, the guy heroically performs painful dilation as per instructions, having to go down in size, until he returns to the surgeon for “revision” where they will perform one of the other methods, then scar tissue, infection or urinary complications develop, and the guy is still “dysphoric” because the appearance isn’t right (it doesn’t look like a native female crotch!), they do more revisions trying to correct all of this, things just continue to go downhill, and all this time the guy insists he has no regrets, because if he expresses regret he is banned from the support forums. Those forums is how we know all of this because the official narrative won’t allow admission of it.
Again, there ARE trans who do well and are happy with the result. It is true that forums are highly skewed toward the bad outcomes. But it is hard to get the truth about the rates of bad outcomes. It’s just like the Covid vax problem. Facts are censored, trust is destroyed. Some estimates are that 20% have horrible outcomes which is an unacceptably high rate for an elective surgery. I wouldn’t be surprised if the true rate is even higher. But we need real honesty. These clinics will claim the bad outcome rate is only 1 or 2% but they’re highly motivated to cover up due to the profit stream.
I’m not for banning these procedures for fully informed consenting adults. You’re 30 or 40 something, know all the risks and want to do it anyway? Government should stay out of your business. Medicine should ethically set up stringent gatekeeping. It used to be that way. I oppose using tax dollars to fund it, but I can’t support banning it. But what we have now, shoving way too many kids too young toward this outcome is unacceptable.
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Miles Yardley is a smart young man - and more charitable to his providers than I would have been, in his shoes.
But I also think, looking at this dispassionately, that he's right and that his attitude is probably the best one he could have, for his own mental health if for no other reason. I'll disagree with some of the commentary here in that I don't think these people are EVIL. I think they're misguided and brainwashed to the point of losing all common sense, but I don't think they have malign intentions or that the whole practice is motivated by profit. I see this more as a sort of mass psychosis - in the sense of a break with reality - all driven by a paradigm that's gained strength because people have swallowed camels to prove - to themselves above all I suspect - that they're on the "right" side of a politically sensitive issue.
If you believe that some people genuinely have this condition, then it's a TOUGH issue. If you shut the door to ALL medically aided transition then you are harming people. It's, yes, a very small fraction of the population, but that doesn't mean the number is negligible. The original estimates for the prevalence of "true transsexualism" or intractable GD (before the inflated estimates of transgender activists like Lynn Conway) were something like 1 in 30,000. Let's take that as the actual prevalence rate, for argument, even though we don't really have reliable figures - it's at least untainted by gender ideology. But in a country with a population of 330,000,000, that's still 11,000 people. I wouldn't gladly throw even one person under the bus, but 11,000 should imo give any reasonable person pause.
Medical transition for children, though, has to stop. I used to be okay with puberty blockers for the purpose of minimizing harm - not completely eliminating it, since as Rush says artificially delaying puberty likely has lasting effects. ALL medical interventions involve balancing risks vs. expected benefits. But today the craziness has reached the point where it's clear that the precautions that would make this a defensible practice have been thrown to the winds in the name of serving a perceived underserved population. And the degree to which that population is truly underserved has been blown way out of proportion by gender ideology. The pendulum has swung way too far the other way and they're now being over- (and therefore mis-) treated because of, as Yardley says, a lack of discernment.
I only wish I knew the best way to correct the problem. Apparently the government has to step in, and the government doesn't exactly have a good history of acting with discernment, either.
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Miles Yardley is a smart young man - and more charitable to his providers than I would have been, in his shoes.
But I also think, looking at this dispassionately, that he's right and that his attitude is probably the best one he could have, for his own mental health if for no other reason. I'll disagree with some of the commentary here in that I don't think these people are EVIL. I think they're misguided and brainwashed to the point of losing all common sense, but I don't think they have malign intentions or that the whole practice is motivated by profit. I see this more as a sort of mass psychosis - in the sense of a break with reality - all driven by a paradigm that's gained strength because people have swallowed camels to prove - to themselves above all I suspect - that they're on the "right" side of a politically sensitive issue.
If you believe that some people genuinely have this condition, then it's a TOUGH issue. If you shut the door to ALL medically aided transition then you are harming people. It's, yes, a very small fraction of the population, but that doesn't mean the number is negligible. The original estimates for the prevalence of "true transsexualism" or intractable GD (before the inflated estimates of transgender activists like Lynn Conway) were something like 1 in 30,000. Let's take that as the actual prevalence rate, for argument, even though we don't really have reliable figures - it's at least untainted by gender ideology. But in a country with a population of 330,000,000, that's still 11,000 people. I wouldn't gladly throw even one person under the bus, but 11,000 should imo give any reasonable person pause.
Medical transition for children, though, has to stop. I used to be okay with puberty blockers for the purpose of minimizing harm - not completely eliminating it, since as Rush says artificially delaying puberty likely has lasting effects. ALL medical interventions involve balancing risks vs. expected benefits. But today the craziness has reached the point where it's clear that the precautions that would make this a defensible practice have been thrown to the winds in the name of serving a perceived underserved population. And the degree to which that population is truly underserved has been blown way out of proportion by gender ideology. The pendulum has swung way too far the other way and they're now being over- (and therefore mis-) treated because of, as Yardley says, a lack of discernment.
I only wish I knew the best way to correct the problem. Apparently the government has to step in, and the government doesn't exactly have a good history of acting with discernment, either.
The reason we are NOT a direct democracy is we recognize the liberty of individuals, not groups. (Or at least we are supposed to; this is why IDPOL is unAmerican.) Therefore it doesn’t matter how few real trans there are, they should have the right to transition. It doesn’t matter if 99.999% of people think they shouldn’t.
However, perpetrating fraud on people is a crime. We don’t have the right to hurt others. Telling a trans that a dick flip will change their lives for the better, misrepresenting actual complication rates, and the fact that transitioning locks you into needing medical care for life, misrepresenting that it will cure their depression and so on, when post-trans suicide rates are comparable to pre, all to get more in the door for surgery, needs to be policed. If the medical establishment won’t self-police, the law needs to step in.
Unfortunately these surgeons have the patients sign reams of paperwork protecting them from liability. But there is a lot the law can do to fix that, like they do with home mortgages. By law the contract you sign must pull out the pertinent facts like the interest rate, term, and total interest involved and put them front and center on the first page in plain language. You can no longer bury it in mice type on page 30. Just an example of how it can be handled. If you don’t properly inform them of the facts, you’re in violation. The challenge is to identify the facts and the cult fights that tooth and nail. Remember the doctor who was fired from a Texas clinic and arrested for violating HIPPA because he spoke out about cases he saw? (I forget the details, I’ll try to find them later.) I’m hoping the tide is turning and we can get better research on true outcomes.
But individual liberty to do whatever you want does not apply to minors, or to the mentally incompetent and this was well understood by the Founders. We have a responsibility to protect those who can’t protect themselves from making stupid life choices.
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I’m going to belabor this surgical point further. There is a huge difference between necessary surgery for a pathology, like my hip arthritis, or mastectomies for breast cancer, and elective surgery on healthy tissue.
All surgeries come with risks and are irreversible. Elective surgery on healthy tissue should only be done in the most extreme circumstances, like you were born with a nose so big it arrives at a destination ten minutes before the rest of you.
I'll just throw this out there to see... how do you feel about vasectomies? That's elective surgery on healthy tissue, not to fix a pathology. It's easy, somewhat reversible, and kind of done for cosmetic reasons. It's a corner of the envelope case, but still.... ?
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I'll just throw this out there to see... how do you feel about vasectomies? That's elective surgery on healthy tissue, not to fix a pathology. It's easy, somewhat reversible, and kind of done for cosmetic reasons. It's a corner of the envelope case, but still.... ?
I wouldn’t get one if I were male. I would never get my tubes tied which is similar, if a little more invasive. Some studies show an increased risk of prostate cancer if you’ve had a vasectomy. This is debated, but why take a chance?
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I wouldn’t get one if I were male. I would never get my tubes tied which is similar, if a little more invasive. Some studies show an increased risk of prostate cancer if you’ve had a vasectomy. This is debated, but why take a chance?
why do some men get them? because there are some men unwilling to take responsibility for children but can't figure out how to use a condem and/or can't keep his pants zipped. Not to imply that all men getting a vasectomy because they are pigs. Getting a vasectomy can be the right thing medically.
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who do some men get them? because there are men unwilling to take responsibility for children but can't figure out how to use a condem and/or can't keep his pants zipped.
I'm married. I got a vasectomy at 50 yrs because we didn't want unexpected children. And I had ZERO intention of keeping my pants zipped and there was no way I was going to use a condom with my wife.
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who do some men get them? because there are men unwilling to take responsibility for children but can't figure out how to use a condem and/or can't keep his pants zipped.
It’s really being pushed in the “manosphere” right now. Don’t marry or have kids because divorce law is such men get royally screwed. They’re not wrong but the solution isn’t to throw away the possibility of marriage and family because you might get screwed by an unfair system.
Young men are being told to get vasectomies so there will be no possibility of being trapped by an accidental pregnancy, or a deliberate one by a deceptive female. But the hypocritical position here is, go out and bang all the women you want, and don’t commit, because modern women are not wife material. They’re sluts with high body counts and will end up divorcing you and keeping your kids from you so don’t even try.
They complain women aren’t virgins anymore so not worth marrying, and also men should stay single and sleep with many women. A man who sleeps with lots of women has “game” and is to be admired. While a woman that sleeps with multiple men is a worthless slut. The math here doesn’t add up logically.
The other category of men who get vasectomies are married men who have had all the children they want. It is expensive to raise children these days so they perceive they can’t afford more, and the wives have careers to get back to. If you don’t get a vasectomy (or tube tie) then you have to use condoms, or the wife needs to get on the pill, til she goes through menopause.
Or there’s abstinence which is hard on a marriage. Or the “rhythm method”. My parents were devote Catholic and didn’t believe in any birth control. They practiced a combination of rhythm method and abstinence and ended up with 9 pregnancies in 10 years. After that they gave up on sex altogether until well after mom had menopause, and by then they were old, worn out, and pathetic.
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I'm married. I got a vasectomy at 50 yrs because we didn't want unexpected children. And I had ZERO intention of keeping my pants zipped and there was no way I was going to use a condom with my wife.
I think I wasn't completely clear.
By "some men get them", I really meant for some of the men that get a vasectomy those reasons apply, not all men. I did not mean in any way, shape, or form that all men that get a vasectomy can't keep their pants zipped, etc.
please pardon the clumsy english
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I think I wasn't completely clear.
By "some men get them", I really meant for some of the men that get a vasectomy those reasons apply, not all men. I did not mean in any way, shape, or form that all men that get a vasectomy can't keep their pants zipped, etc.
please pardon the clumsy english
Actually, you were clear. If I had taken the time to read your post more carefully, I would have agreed with you. But your statement didn't apply to me so I quickly rejected it rather than considering exceptions like me.
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Here’s what leapt out at me.
“He’d been late to start puberty and had interests in singing and dancing. Classmates began to ask if he was gay or a girl. He’d never heard of transgenderism. “I had not questioned my own identity before other people started asking me questions and putting that on me,” he says.”
Kids are groomed by teachers, administrators, and other adults. Then you have social media telling them it's COOL to be Trans, and will solve all your problems.
It's criminal, and many Woke parents support the mutilation. They need to be hanged
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Kids are groomed by teachers, administrators, and other adults. Then you have social media telling them it's COOL to be Trans, and will solve all your problems.
It's criminal, and many Woke parents support the mutilation. They need to be hanged
Yes. Electric chair is too kind.
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It’s really being pushed in the “manosphere” right now. Don’t marry or have kids because divorce law is such men get royally screwed. They’re not wrong but the solution isn’t to throw away the possibility of marriage and family because you might get screwed by an unfair system.
Young men are being told to get vasectomies so there will be no possibility of being trapped by an accidental pregnancy, or a deliberate one by a deceptive female. But the hypocritical position here is, go out and bang all the women you want, and don’t commit, because modern women are not wife material. They’re sluts with high body counts and will end up divorcing you and keeping your kids from you so don’t even try.
They complain women aren’t virgins anymore so not worth marrying, and also men should stay single and sleep with many women. A man who sleeps with lots of women has “game” and is to be admired. While a woman that sleeps with multiple men is a worthless slut. The math here doesn’t add up logically.
The other category of men who get vasectomies are married men who have had all the children they want. It is expensive to raise children these days so they perceive they can’t afford more, and the wives have careers to get back to. If you don’t get a vasectomy (or tube tie) then you have to use condoms, or the wife needs to get on the pill, til she goes through menopause.
Or there’s abstinence which is hard on a marriage. Or the “rhythm method”. My parents were devote Catholic and didn’t believe in any birth control. They practiced a combination of rhythm method and abstinence and ended up with 9 pregnancies in 10 years. After that they gave up on sex altogether until well after mom had menopause, and by then they were old, worn out, and pathetic.
Well, the Catholics have a valid point, when you really think it through, although most don’t. Their theology of the body is stunning in its teaching that everything God has created is drawing us to Him, and that we can’t take an act designed to produce life and turn it into pleasure only without hurting something else in the chain of life. We get stuck in self, self, self, pleasure, pleasure, pleasure. I deserve, I want, I need. Getting past that to the real meaning of love is the goal.
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Yeah, that's a tough one. But extending it to tattoos and piercings (including ears) are also forms of mutilation. My wife and I decided we had enough kids and didn't want any accidents. I really don't want to get anything pierced or inked, and I don't find it attractive. Catholics and Jews teach against piercings and tattoos. Muslims teach against tattoos but allow ear piercings.
I'm sorry for causing the thread drift, but it seemed important to see where we draw the line in body modification.
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The reason we are NOT a direct democracy is we recognize the liberty of individuals, not groups. (Or at least we are supposed to; this is why IDPOL is unAmerican.) Therefore it doesn’t matter how few real trans there are, they should have the right to transition. It doesn’t matter if 99.999% of people think they shouldn’t.
However, perpetrating fraud on people is a crime. We don’t have the right to hurt others. Telling a trans that a dick flip will change their lives for the better, misrepresenting actual complication rates, and the fact that transitioning locks you into needing medical care for life, misrepresenting that it will cure their depression and so on, when post-trans suicide rates are comparable to pre, all to get more in the door for surgery, needs to be policed. If the medical establishment won’t self-police, the law needs to step in.
Unfortunately these surgeons have the patients sign reams of paperwork protecting them from liability. But there is a lot the law can do to fix that, like they do with home mortgages. By law the contract you sign must pull out the pertinent facts like the interest rate, term, and total interest involved and put them front and center on the first page in plain language. You can no longer bury it in mice type on page 30. Just an example of how it can be handled. If you don’t properly inform them of the facts, you’re in violation. The challenge is to identify the facts and the cult fights that tooth and nail. Remember the doctor who was fired from a Texas clinic and arrested for violating HIPPA because he spoke out about cases he saw? (I forget the details, I’ll try to find them later.) I’m hoping the tide is turning and we can get better research on true outcomes.
But individual liberty to do whatever you want does not apply to minors, or to the mentally incompetent and this was well understood by the Founders. We have a responsibility to protect those who can’t protect themselves from making stupid life choices.
Agree on all points. What I'm not certain of is the extent to which these clinics lie to adults presenting with GD today. My strong impression, based on the reported strength of the gatekeeping back in the day, is that this conduct was rare to non-existent back then. I recall one MtF who became extremely angry at their therapist for insisting on delaying their initial script for hormones, but it was pretty clear that the person had other issues, perhaps mental health or character problems (my speculation based on their behavior). They were eventually green lighted and went on to full transition, surgery, and then moved across the country - but my point is that the treatment was doled out much more cautiously and conservatively than it appears to be today. If outcomes and risks are not being presented honestly and transparently (and NOT, as you put it, in mice print on page 30), then I agree, the law needs to step in, as there is no informed consent when the (adult) patient is not fully informed.
And if clinics are actually encouraging minors to transition, and are complicit in keeping their patients' conditions from the parents, then they need to be shut down. Full stop. Minors cannot give informed consent.
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The stupid people (democrats) constantly contradict themselves on any subject that involves personal integrity.
Let the 11 year old get an abortion without telling her parents because that is a choice, but raise the age they choose to smoke cigarette to 21 because they are too young to make an adult choice.
Every issue is another example of the psychotic stupidity of democrats. Let the forty year old man shower with your daughters because he says he feels like a women today, but arrest an old women for praying silently on the sidewalk near an abortion clinic because fewer abortions mean less bribes paid by the fucking scum running planned parenthood.
One has to be mentally deranged to be a good democrat no matter how desperately posters try to pretend otherwise.
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“Evil always takes advantage of ambiguity.”
-G. K. Chesterton
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Trans is the new goth is the new hipster is the new beatnick is the new flapper. The problem is (in my opinion), most of these kids wanting to go trans are just wanting to stand out yet also fit in with the latest "look at me I'm special" group. Without any evidence at all but a lot of living history, I'd be willing to bet that 80% of these trans kids fall into the "it's the style" category. Another 10% are undergoing some sort of mental crisis that will pass. Another 5% have a serious mental crisis that could be resolved with therapy. And the final 5% truly have some sort of biological or cognitive mis-wiring. The biggest problem is that all of these are actively encouraged by friends, teachers, parents, and social media to undergo life-altering surgery and drug therapy. That leaves permanent emotional and physical scars and cannot be undone. Unlike waiting for the black nail polish to fall off, these kids are unprepared to meet life in their new "improved" body. It's a crime against children and the future that the first step is "Hey, let's cut off your boobs / dick and see if you feel better."
When I was in high school there were the jocks, the nerds, the ROTC, the stoners, the band, and probably a few other sub-groups that I was too dense to notice. Being both a nerd and ROTC I was doubly cursed but dealt with it. I don't remember anyone who was so messed up that they wanted to be the opposite sex, but maybe that was just not talked about. I don't know. But I do know that something serious needs to be done to protect the kids today from permanently altering their lives.
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Trans is the new goth is the new hipster is the new beatnick is the new flapper. The problem is (in my opinion), most of these kids wanting to go trans are just wanting to stand out yet also fit in with the latest "look at me I'm special" group. Without any evidence at all but a lot of living history, I'd be willing to bet that 80% of these trans kids fall into the "it's the style" category. Another 10% are undergoing some sort of mental crisis that will pass. Another 5% have a serious mental crisis that could be resolved with therapy. And the final 5% truly have some sort of biological or cognitive mis-wiring. The biggest problem is that all of these are actively encouraged by friends, teachers, parents, and social media to undergo life-altering surgery and drug therapy. That leaves permanent emotional and physical scars and cannot be undone. Unlike waiting for the black nail polish to fall off, these kids are unprepared to meet life in their new "improved" body. It's a crime against children and the future that the first step is "Hey, let's cut off your boobs / dick and see if you feel better."
When I was in high school there were the jocks, the nerds, the ROTC, the stoners, the band, and probably a few other sub-groups that I was too dense to notice. Being both a nerd and ROTC I was doubly cursed but dealt with it. I don't remember anyone who was so messed up that they wanted to be the opposite sex, but maybe that was just not talked about. I don't know. But I do know that something serious needs to be done to protect the kids today from permanently altering their lives.
Well put, it's a social contagion fad. The big difference is that the accessories aren't reversible. Nail polish as you say comes off, hair dye grows or washes out, clothes and hairstyles can be changed. This fad is like a vehicle for something else though, carrying something very evil that was missing from all the past ones.