PILOT SPIN
Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: Little Joe on September 11, 2025, 04:00:25 AM
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Why was the largest workplace roundup in our history used against the Hyundai plant in Georgia? Have we run out of Mexicans and terrorists?
These Hyundai workers may have technically violated visa restrictions, but they were all skilled workers here to help build manufacturing infrastructure and train American workers. One day we are cheering for their investment and the second day we are arresting them. Why didn't we actively engage Korea ahead of time to correct the situation, rather than spending months secretly investigating hundreds of people and then springing a trap.
Trump seems open to creating a special class of Visa for these people so who jumped the shark? And why? I'm sure there were situations that I know absolutely nothing about, but I don't know what that would be. How much will Korea now invest in us, and how many of those skilled workers will be returning to contribute to our economy rather that trying to suck it dry.
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Why was the largest workplace roundup in our history used against the Hyundai plant in Georgia? Have we run out of Mexicans and terrorists?
Is immigration enforcement restricted to Mexicans and other Latin American citizens?
These Hyundai workers may have technically violated visa restrictions, but they were all skilled workers here to help build manufacturing infrastructure and train American workers.
Technically? Care to explain that one?
One day we are cheering for their investment and the second day we are arresting them. Why didn't we actively engage Korea ahead of time to correct the situation, rather than spending months secretly investigating hundreds of people and then springing a trap.
So you have an inside track to this investigation? Remember the previous administration had everything so screwed up with regards to immigration perhaps this development with the Koreans was only recently uncovered.
Trump seems open to creating a special class of Visa for these people so who jumped the shark? And why? I'm sure there were situations that I know absolutely nothing about, but I don't know what that would be. How much will Korea now invest in us, and how many of those skilled workers will be returning to contribute to our economy rather that trying to suck it dry.
I take it you never spent time in South Korea. Go there on a Visa then "technically" over stay that visa, then watch what happens. And BTW, it's difficult to get a worker Visa in South Korea and the conditions are very strict.
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as warning for others?
a negotiating ploy?
I hope the company pays the appropriate penalties for employing people here illegally.
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I thought the goal was to Make America Great Again. How does this help? Even Trump says he thinks they should stay.
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I don’t know what happened in the Hyundai plant, but in general, there is a difference between:
1. People who sneak in over the border
2. People who come in on a work or student visa, then deliberately fail to renew and disappear into the county
3. People here on a work visa, fail to renew on time because of the arduous process, or maybe they’re just lazy fucks, but stay in one place and continue working their jobs
IF category 3 is there because American workers cannot be found, I’d rather keep the manufacturing plant here even if manned by foreign workers who screwed up and didn’t renew their visa on time. The employer should strictly enforce visa renewal, not allow workers on site if lapsed, and ideally provide assistance to help them through the process. The employer should never have allowed a situation where Trump has to come in and remove “technical” illegals.
IF category 3 is there because American workers exist but demand a higher wage than foreign workers, then a decision needs to be made whether jobs for the American working class are worth the cost of higher prices for American consumers. That’s the tension that got us into this globalism mess in the first place.
I see category 2 as the greatest danger of terrorists and spies; they need to be aggressively rooted out.
Category 1 needs to be handled by stationing machine gun nests all along the border.
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I thought the goal was to Make America Great Again. How does this help?
So we should go through the laws and decide which to enforce and how, and look at others and say "Let's not enforce these"?
The last administration did just that and look how it turned out.
The media is constantly crying "But how can you deport this guy, yes he entered illegally 10 years ago but he got a job and has never done anything criminal" (except the part of breaking into our country illegally)
The lunatic left wants to create multitudes of rules so that essentially most illegals can stay. This is called precedence. The ultimate goal is eventually mass amnesty and citizenship. Please name another country that lets people enter illegally and rewards the criminal with citizenship.
Back to the Koreans. It's not difficult to comply with US immigration laws, especially on guest worker in the situation of the Hyundai factory. Why did they (Koreans) choose to ignore it? They knew what they were doing.
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3. People here on a work visa, fail to renew on time because of the arduous process, or maybe they’re just lazy fucks, but stay in one place and continue working their jobs
IF category 3 is there because American workers cannot be found, I’d rather keep the manufacturing plant here even if manned by foreign workers who screwed up and didn’t renew their visa on time. The employer should strictly enforce visa renewal, not allow workers on site if lapsed, and ideally provide assistance to help them through the process. The employer should never have allowed a situation where Trump has to come in and remove “technical” illegals.
Hyundai imported these workers and was responsible for them. Why they chose to ignore US law we don't know.
I can speak from experience on being a foreign Visa worker in another country. I complied with every requirement and it was made clear to me if I didn't I would be tossed on the next plane out (and not necessarily to the US) and forbidden to ever return. Oh, and while awaiting removal I would be a guest in one of their prison cells. No "due process" offered.
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With all the enforcement going on the Trump administration is far behind the deportations during the treasonous Biden obama administrations. The difference is when republicans do it it is a crisis. When communist democrats do it, the sold out media ignore it.
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Hyundai imported these workers and was responsible for them. Why they chose to ignore US law we don't know.
I can speak from experience on being a foreign Visa worker in another country. I complied with every requirement and it was made clear to me if I didn't I would be tossed on the next plane out (and not necessarily to the US) and forbidden to ever return. Oh, and while awaiting removal I would be a guest in one of their prison cells. No "due process" offered.
Yep, the corporations need to be accountable. Allowing the worker to continue working and getting paid just encourages complacency. Why should the worker bother? Nothing happened to him for years under Biden.
Part of it might just be corporate incompetency; dilution of responsibility; we all know how it goes. Get stuff done by committee which just means endless meetings and never actually getting stuff done, operating by putting out the current fire and ignoring less urgent bureaucratic bullshit, which ensuring your workers are visa-current comes under, because it has no effect on quarterly profit! And because until Trump, the feds didn’t care.
Our home addition contractor isn’t a big corporation. He makes sure his men are visa current, because he feels the direct connection between his income and having his workforce available and reliable to keep his projects on schedule. It hurts his wallet personally if his i’s aren’t dotted and t’s crossed. Six layers of management in big corporate offices it’s a different story.
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So we should go through the laws and decide which to enforce and how, and look at others and say "Let's not enforce these"?
DAs around the country prioritize the cases they prosecute every minute of every day. Cops give warnings. Judges often give probation rather than prison.
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DAs around the country prioritize the cases they prosecute every minute of every day. Cops give warnings. Judges often give probation rather than prison.
Judges follow (or should) judicial sentencing laws. Sometimes those laws give discretion as long as certain parameters are met.
Prioritizing case load is a normal event, but the activist DA's are guilty of outright ignoring laws. They need to be fired.
Cops again have discretion built into enforcement.
So are you advocating selected enforcement or are you willing to follow the laws as written?
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DAs around the country prioritize the cases they prosecute every minute of every day. Cops give warnings. Judges often give probation rather than prison.
I’m in favor of going after the criminals and terrorists first. But for all we know the Hyundai hit was part of an overall strategy to send a strong message to corporations knowingly looking the other way when employees aren’t properly documented.
The first line of enforcement in cases of foreign workers (as opposed to welfare mamacitas) needs to be the employers and they’ve been given a pass for way too long. ICE can’t do everything; it is logistically impossible.
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Judges follow (or should) judicial sentencing laws. Sometimes those laws give discretion as long as certain parameters are met.
Prioritizing case load is a normal event, but the activist DA's are guilty of outright ignoring laws. They need to be fired.
Cops again have discretion built into enforcement.
So are you advocating selected enforcement or are you willing to follow the laws as written?
Steve Lehto did a video on a horrible case in Hawaii where a government employee was paid while on leave pending an investigation into wrongdoing for FIVE YEARS. I believe his salary was around $300k unless I misheard. Because of a unionized law. The problem? The prosecution was putting off the investigation and resolution of his case.
So yeah, enforcement is a huge issue, especially when it’s the taxpayer being screwed.