PILOT SPIN
Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: Lucifer on October 31, 2025, 07:25:09 AM
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Here's a shining example of a fake conservative: https://www.cmcforum.com/post/bill-kristol-says-he-would-vote-for-zohran-mamdani-for-new-york-city-mayor
Kristol, the son of famed conservative intellectual Irving Kristol, was born and raised in New York City. He served as chief of staff to Vice President Dan Quayle from 1989 to 1993. In 1994, he founded political magazine The Weekly Standard. Kristol broke with the Republican Party in 2016 over the candidacy of Donald Trump and, in 2018, co-founded The Bulwark, where he now serves as editor-at-large. He is also Chairman of the Board of the Salvatori Center at CMC, which hosts The Forum.
This is why you never, ever trust an establishment republican. I can remember this clown on political talk shows holding the line on conservatism, then suddenly flipping to liberal because he came down with TDS.
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Little wiily was never conservative
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Little wiily was never conservative
Exactly. But he played the part for many years.
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What is a conservative? Strip it of all the random bullshit. A conservative (in the U.S.) wants to conserve the founding principles of the U.S. which is limited government and economic freedom. Private property rights, free market capitalism and a civic system based on English Common Law. Okay, we'll tolerate that French shit down in Louisiana.
That's it! You can also throw in social conservatism like being against gay marriage but that's peripheral. The important thing is the economic and civic structure, without which the nation collapses into starvation and tyrrany.
I realize Cuomo isn't a conservative either but to favor an outright communist over him is to betray any semblance of conservatism.
I also realize many who call themselves conservatives are NOT. They're happy to grow government, overregulate free markets, etc.
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What is a conservative? Strip it of all the random bullshit. A conservative (in the U.S.) wants to conserve the founding principles of the U.S. which is limited government and economic freedom. Private property rights, free market capitalism and a civic system based on English Common Law. Okay, we'll tolerate that French shit down in Louisiana.
That's it! You can also throw in social conservatism like being against gay marriage but that's peripheral. The important thing is the economic and civic structure, without which the nation collapses into starvation and tyrrany.
I realize Cuomo isn't a conservative either but to favor an outright communist over him is to betray any semblance of conservatism.
I also realize many who call themselves conservatives are NOT. They're happy to grow government, overregulate free markets, etc.
I consider myself a fiscal conservative as you so clearly described above. But also somewhat more socially liberal (in the classical sense). Live and let live. Marry whoever or whatever you want. Have consensual sex with whoever or whatever you want. I don't care. Just keep it private. I don't know what that makes me with the fiscal / social philosophical split.
I sincerely hope that those in NY City get what they voted for.
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I consider myself a fiscal conservative as you so clearly described above. But also somewhat more socially liberal (in the classical sense). Live and let live. Marry whoever or whatever you want. Have consensual sex with whoever or whatever you want. I don't care. Just keep it private. I don't know what that makes me with the fiscal / social philosophical split.
I sincerely hope that those in NY City get what they voted for.
That’s pretty much me.
Some who seem conservative because they are very conservative socially, are not fiscally, and are therefore actually authoritarian. Orson Scott Card comes to mind. A lifelong Democrat who bemoans the “excesses of capitalism” and comes from the background of Mormon communal responsibility (similar to why Jews are Democrats - Government should take care of the poor).
He supports Trump because he isn’t dumb and in 2016 recognized how corrupt Hillary was, and in 2020 and 2024 how fucking dangerous Biden and Harris are. But he disagrees with the right on gun control for example (he’s for it - a very authoritarian position) and as far as I know is still a registered Democrat, although of the old school variety, not the woke left, as he opposes homosexuality for example. I call that “the religious left”.
He supports Republicans at the moment because of the hard right moral conservatism but is still of the tribal mind that those who have more should be forced to give some to those who have less, although he denies being an outright communist, as he says that doesn’t work in reality. But again, that’s just because he isn’t stupid.
So yeah, this is why I am loathe to call somebody a conservative just because they vote for Trump.
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So yeah, this is why I am loathe to call somebody a conservative just because they vote for Trump.
It's true that most conservatives vote for Trump, but Trump isn't a conservative, so you can't really call someone a conservative BECAUSE they vote for Trump.
I'm not sure what label fits Trump. The MSM likes to call him a populist, but I don't think that fits, although I can't say I actually know the definition of Populist. It sounds to me like it is someone that does something because it is popular, and that doesn't sound like Trump at all to me.
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A populist tends to go against the mainstream political community and concentrate on pooilicies that benefit the general population.
Those policies tend to piss off rinos and communist liberals alike, but end up popular with the majority of people.
Think the exact opposite of paul ryan.