PILOT SPIN
Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: LevelWing on May 08, 2016, 11:14:58 AM
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"His political career is over but for a miracle because he has so disrespected the will of the people, and as the leader of the GOP, the convention, certainly he is to remain neutral, and for him to already come out and say who he will not support is not a wise decision of his," Palin continued.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/08/politics/sarah-palin-paul-ryan-paul-nehlen-endorsement/index.html
I have a few problems with this. The first is that Sarah Palin is out to destroy Paul Ryan strictly because he won't fall in line with Trump right now. Ryan said that he's not yet ready to support Trump, not that he won't support him at all. Ryan actually said he was hoping to find a way to support Trump and has a meeting setup with him.
The next problem I have is with the overall mentality by Trump supporters that if you don't support Trump, you must be destroyed. Trump supporters seem to be taking this hardline approach in general. This is why I said in another thread that I wouldn't be bullied into voting for Trump. The guilt trip won't work. Palin's attitude towards this is not a great way to unite the party and convince people to support Trump. This is more of a liberal tactic of going after the person for not supporting them.
Paul Ryan has turned out to not be the conservative stalwart he made himself out to be. Working to defeat Paul Ryan in order to elect an actual conservative is a worthwhile effort and if Palin had said that's why she wanted to help his opponent, I would've been okay with that. But that's not what she said nor is that her approach.
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http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/08/politics/sarah-palin-paul-ryan-paul-nehlen-endorsement/index.html
Ryan said that he's not yet ready to support Trump, not that he won't support him at all. Ryan actually said he was hoping to find a way to support Trump and has a meeting setup with him.
Ryan made a bad mistake making that statement. He should have kept his mouth shut, had the meeting(s) then come out and made a comment.
He is just trying to appease his donors at this point.
The next problem I have is with the overall mentality by Trump supporters that if you don't support Trump, you must be destroyed. Trump supporters seem to be taking this hardline approach in general. This is why I said in another thread that I wouldn't be bullied into voting for Trump. The guilt trip won't work. Palin's attitude towards this is not a great way to unite the party and convince people to support Trump. This is more of a liberal tactic of going after the person for not supporting them.
So how do you feel about the far right ideologues who are currently trying to launch a third party candidate, knowing he can't win, but doing so with the intent of denying Trump the Presidency and to "punish" his supporters?
Paul Ryan has turned out to not be the conservative stalwart he made himself out to be.
Ya think?
Working to defeat Paul Ryan in order to elect an actual conservative is a worthwhile effort and if Palin had said that's why she wanted to help his opponent, I would've been okay with that. But that's not what she said nor is that her approach.
Yep, more than enough arrogance and vitriol to go around these days.
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Ryan made a bad mistake making that statement. He should have kept his mouth shut, had the meeting(s) then come out and made a comment.
He is just trying to appease his donors at this point.
Agreed. However he was also echoing how many conservatives feel right now and I think he made a valid point.
So how do you feel about the far right ideologues who are currently trying to launch a third party candidate, knowing he can't win, but doing so with the intent of denying Trump the Presidency and to "punish" his supporters?
I said it in another thread and I'll say it again: At this point, the RNC needs to accept that Trump won the primaries and they need to begin working together. Trying to draft a third party candidate is only going to divide the party further and cause even more damage. If they put up a third party candidate it will hand the election to Clinton and nobody wants that.
I'm still concerned about the future of conservatism in the country. Nominating Trump set that back by who knows how long. Conservatives in this country want a conservative candidate, of which Cruz was the closest we had. Had Cruz been more charismatic and ran his campaign differently, he may have won the nomination. But that's a lot of "if's and then's" and not what happened. I want a true conservative candidate and one who understands and appreciates the Constitution. Trump isn't that person which is why I'm having a hard time supporting him and not sure that I can.
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Agreed. However he was also echoing how many conservatives feel right now and I think he made a valid point.
Personally I think he just drove the wedge further in than it needed to be at this point.
I said it in another thread and I'll say it again: At this point, the RNC needs to accept that Trump won the primaries and they need to begin working together. Trying to draft a third party candidate is only going to divide the party further and cause even more damage. If they put up a third party candidate it will hand the election to Clinton and nobody wants that.
I wouldn't say "nobody wants that" because the ideologues are pushing that exact scenario. George Will went as far as writing an article promoting that scenario.
I'm still concerned about the future of conservatism in the country. Nominating Trump set that back by who knows how long. Conservatives in this country want a conservative candidate, of which Cruz was the closest we had. Had Cruz been more charismatic and ran his campaign differently, he may have won the nomination. But that's a lot of "if's and then's" and not what happened. I want a true conservative candidate and one who understands and appreciates the Constitution. Trump isn't that person which is why I'm having a hard time supporting him and not sure that I can.
The far right ideologues can't find a candidate to do that and are far too rigid to accept anything else. They look down at the public in general and quite frankly do a lot to turn people away.
The Republicans brought Trump on themselves by years of broken promises and sneering at the voters.
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Personally I think he just drove the wedge further in than it needed to be at this point.
Perhaps. But like I said, he is stating what many conservatives are thinking. While Ryan is probably one of the last people to be complaining about not having a conservative candidate, his point is still valid. Trump supporters are upset at this because it detracts from the "get in line with Trump or you're part of the problem" mantra. Trump really needs to put a stop to this attitude if he wants to unite the party. Trump is also continuing to drive the wedge further, and he will until he gets people to come together.
I wouldn't say "nobody wants that" because the ideologues are pushing that exact scenario. George Will went as far as writing an article promoting that scenario.
Give George Will and others a chance to calm down. He may remain a #NeverTrump campaign supporter, but he may very well back off wishing that Clinton were president. That sounds like anger talking. I may be wrong, but we'll see.
The far right ideologues can't find a candidate to do that and are far too rigid to accept anything else. They look down at the public in general and quite frankly do a lot to turn people away.
Trump does a lot to turn people away as well. Trump supporters also refuse to recognize the fact that they need to win over conservatives, not push them further away. "A vote against Trump is a vote for Hillary" keeps the divide going. Start showing why Trump should have my vote, not chastising me for not immediately supporting Trump (that's a generalized statement to all Trump supporters, not you specifically).
I don't think conservatives look down on the public, I think they just want a conservative candidate. It's not that conservatives aren't willing to compromise, either, contrary to what gets put out by the media and then picked up by others. Certain things we shouldn't compromise on, such as Constitutional principles. If you want to compromise on other things, I think you'll find that conservatives would be willing to do that.
The Republicans brought Trump on themselves by years of broken promises and sneering at the voters.
The establishment brought this on, not all Republicans and certainly not conservatives.
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When any candidate is so polarizing that this type of thing is constantly going on you have to at least, look at who and why.
Donald Trump has yet to provide a clear platform that lays out his intentions, which gives his mushy middle supporters plenty of ammunition to fill in the blanks and call everybody else names.
I would have preferred the GOP leadership kept their mouths shut until there is a nominee, then figure out where they stand and why. That didn't happen and far too many people are turning their backs on Trump for it to become a good thing overnight.
That whole "snatching defeat from the jaws of victory" thing seems to apply here, especially with Ryan's comments.
There's a lot of talk out there about how Hillary will assuredly beat Trump in a landslide in November, but I just don't see it right now. I'm not a Trump fan but I think people are so sick of Obama that it may not matter that Trump is the candidate. Kind of like how in 2008, people didn't much care that it was Obama, it was more of an anti-Bush vote than a pro-Obama vote.
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That whole "snatching defeat from the jaws of victory" thing seems to apply here, especially with Ryan's comments.
There's a lot of talk out there about how Hillary will assuredly beat Trump in a landslide in November, but I just don't see it right now. I'm not a Trump fan but I think people are so sick of Obama that it may not matter that Trump is the candidate. Kind of like how in 2008, people didn't much care that it was Obama, it was more of an anti-Bush vote than a pro-Obama vote.
The Dems will pull out every vote-cheating stop to install Cankles.