PILOT SPIN
Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: Lucifer on December 19, 2025, 06:32:15 PM
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The stupid is very strong in this moron….
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Extremely stupid. And psycho.
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The stupid is very strong in this moron….
Did she really say that? I would like to show that to some people but I'd like a source other than a meme. I can't find one.
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Did she really say that? I would like to show that to some people but I'd like a source other than a meme. I can't find one.
Good point. I’ve seen a huge uptick on social media of lies and made up stuff, including memes but also even videos now with AI getting better and better. Not just politics, everything. It’s to the point you cannot trust a single thing you see these days.
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Did she really say that? I would like to show that to some people but I'd like a source other than a meme. I can't find one.
People post memes of AOC "supposed" quotes all the time. My bet is, this is just another made up quote.
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People post memes of AOC "supposed" quotes all the time. My bet is, this is just another made up quote.
It may be made up. But she says so many stupid things it is possible it's a real quote.
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Grok to the rescue:
No, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (AOC) did not say this. The quote in the image appears to be completely fabricated.The text reads:
"Donald Trump's new plan to eliminate the income tax is phobic and clearly designed to only help the employed U.S. citizen"
— Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
Extensive searches for this exact quote, variations of it, or any similar statement from AOC turn up zero credible sources—no interviews, tweets, speeches, or news reports attribute anything like this to her. Fact-checking sites (like Snopes and PolitiFact) have debunked numerous fake AOC quotes and memes in the past, and this fits the pattern of satirical or misleading images that circulate online.
Additionally:
- Trump's recent discussions about potentially reducing or eliminating income taxes (replacing revenue with tariffs) are very new (mostly from late 2025), so any "response" from AOC would be recent—and there's no evidence of one matching this.
- The phrasing is absurdly satirical on its face: calling a tax cut "phobic" (implying discrimination against the unemployed?) while complaining it only helps "employed" people doesn't align with AOC's actual positions, which often focus on supporting workers, raising taxes on the wealthy, and expanding social programs.
This is classic online misinformation—likely a meme meant to mock or troll. AOC has been the target of many such fake quotes over the years. If you see similar images, it's usually safe to assume they're not real unless backed by a verifiable source.
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That being fake is exactly why I don’t trust the right as much as I don’t trust the left. The only caveat is the left uses actual real life violence much more than the right, so that tells you who is more evil.
The other thing is, we don’t know who makes up all this fake stuff. Could be Russian operatives trying to divide the U.S. That was actually the only real proven meddling in the 2016 election by Russia; simple social media propaganda. Trump had nothing to do with it and it wasn’t even to favor Trump; it was just to be divisive.
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So let's appoint a fact checker. Any meme that is posted will have to undergo a review first, and if the fact checker cannot correlate the meme with an actual factual event, the posting will be denied.
Then we can progress to fact checking each and every post. Maybe even start something like a "blue check" program for members.
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So let's appoint a fact checker. Any meme that is posted will have to undergo a review first, and if the fact checker cannot correlate the meme with an actual factual event, the posting will be denied.
Then we can progress to fact checking each and every post. Maybe even start something like a "blue check" program for members.
Did you mean to put this in green font? ;D
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Did you mean to put this in green font? ;D
No.
We need to be inclusive so no one’s feelings get hurt. By fact checking each and every post we’ll guarantee diversity in our forum.
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So let's appoint a fact checker. Any meme that is posted will have to undergo a review first, and if the fact checker cannot correlate the meme with an actual factual event, the posting will be denied.
Then we can progress to fact checking each and every post. Maybe even start something like a "blue check" program for members.
Oooooh. Somebody got their wittle feewings hurt.
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No.
We need to be inclusive so no one’s feelings get hurt. By fact checking each and every post we’ll guarantee diversity in our forum.
I guess you have a point, if we do that, maybe Steingar will come back.
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Oooooh. Somebody got their wittle feewings hurt.
No. Just putting forth what some want to see here.
IIRC you have advocated for moderation in the past. So what’s wrong with my proposal?
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No. Just putting forth what some want to see here.
IIRC you have advocated for moderation in the past. So what’s wrong with my proposal?
IIRC, I only advocated for moderation in the case of some asshole doxing #7. I thought that was an extreme case bordering on illegal and could have actually resulted in harm to #7.
Besides, I wasn't objecting to your proposal, although I would have it that was the topic. I was commenting on how you took offense to someone pointing out that your post was false. I only asked for a source so I could show it to others because I actually thought it might be true.
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Well if she didn’t say it she might as well have.
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We'll probably need to lock this thread for moderator review..
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Wait, is this poa?
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Wait, is this poa?
Nope.
No pussies whining about their feelings being hurted.
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I'm offended by the thought of moderation. This thread should be locked.
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The only moderation I advocate for is spam and bot spam. You could argue for not allowing doxxing but in a decade there’s only been one incident as I recall.
The only other thing you could make an argument for is violent threats or terroristic threats, and those are illegal anyway so what’s the point of making them a forum rule? I don’t recall ever seeing any post that was in those categories.
I can’t even find anywhere on this forum where “rules of behavior” are posted. Yet the members in the ten years it’s been live have virtually completely behaved ourselves wrt the only bad behavior listed above that I could make an argument for moderating. Therefore I say we don’t need to, because: We are sane adults who self-regulate. Imagine that!
As for posting stuff that turns out to be false, any moderation whatsoever for the purpose of verifying authenticity, fact-checking, or controlling “misinformation” opens the door to censorship, as there is no possibility of avoiding some moderator bias, if for no other reason there is no such thing as a completely objective fact checker. Even if the moderator thinks themselves unbiased, he can’t say the same for his “fact-checking” sources.
For example, my Grok post; Grok says AOC is supportive of workers. While Grok is designed to be as truth-seeking as possible, it still suffers from the bias in all the internet it must use for sources. AOC is not the least supportive of workers; she is a narcissistic, attention-seeking whore, psychopathic twat that cares only about glorifying herself while destroying America. If that exact quote is inaccurate, it does summarize her contempt for the common worker, and that is the point of memes whether technically correct or not.
Nope. Total free speech is the only way (excepting spam bots and criminal threats). It’s up to the reader to accept or reject a post for truth. That’s the only way to actually protect truth, because it leaves all pathways open for discussion.
Edited to remove quote from Lucifer because I thought I was responding in general and my browser picked up that post; Luci refers to “you” which isn’t me but was Little Joe if I recall, so wanted to avoid any misunderstanding.
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We could do moderation like the pilots place, where we say "play nice" is the only rule, yet the moderate determines what is playing nice or not using his own ideology to guide him.
Remember, we must regard the feelings of everyone for inclusion. Diversity is our strength.
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We could do moderation like the pilots place, where we say "play nice" is the only rule, yet the moderate determines what is playing nice or not using his own ideology to guide him.
Remember, we must regard the feelings of everyone for inclusion. Diversity is our strength.
We need to start requiring pronouns in our profile.
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We need to start requiring pronouns in our profile.
Agreed. We must respect the feelings of others. Misgendering should be considered a crime.
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Agreed. We must respect the feelings of others. Misgendering should be considered a crime.
Misgendering is literal violence. It’s genocide.
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I'm sorry but I don't see where all this talk of moderation is coming from.
From my perspective:
Lucifer posted a meme that I thought was interesting and provocative, so I asked for a source to show to some liberals I know.
Someone else posted that Grok said it was not true. (That in itself is not proof that it was not true).
Lucifer got his panties in a wad and start ranting about moderation. And continues to throw out little tantrum posts.
Is it moderation for one user to point out that another user posted something that was not true? Not in my book.
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I'm sorry but I don't see where all this talk of moderation is coming from.
From my perspective:
Lucifer posted a meme that I thought was interesting and provocative, so I asked for a source to show to some liberals I know.
Someone else posted that Grok said it was not true. (That in itself is not proof that it was not true).
Lucifer got his panties in a wad and start ranting about moderation. And continues to throw out little tantrum posts.
Is it moderation for one user to point out that another user posted something that was not true? Not in my book.
Tantrum? Panties in a wad? LOL!
Back to moderation, would you not agree with moderation (such as practiced at TPP) more of the liberals would feel inclined to post? You have said many times in the past that you felt liberals were mistreated here and that's why they don't post. With that in mind, you should be onboard with moderation, except we'll do like TPP and cloak it as "play nice".
I think we need new moderators as well. Maybe Azure would be interested? Steingar? Maybe even you Joe?
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You have said many times in the past that you felt liberals were mistreated here and that's why they don't post.
True.
With that in mind, you should be onboard with moderation, except we'll do like TPP and cloak it as "play nice".
Not True.
I think we need new moderators as well. Maybe Azure would be interested? Steingar? Maybe even you Joe?
I don't think we need new moderators. I don't think we NEED moderators at all. But we do need someone with privileges that can fix technical glitches. You can't give those privileges to everyone or the system would crash in days.
Look. Your meme was funny. Maybe even prescient. But it wasn't true and you got called out on it. It's over. Get over it.
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Tantrum? Panties in a wad? LOL!
Back to moderation, would you not agree with moderation (such as practiced at TPP) more of the liberals would feel inclined to post? You have said many times in the past that you felt liberals were mistreated here and that's why they don't post. With that in mind, you should be onboard with moderation, except we'll do like TPP and cloak it as "play nice".
I think we need new moderators as well. Maybe Azure would be interested? Steingar? Maybe even you Joe?
It is true that traffic has contracted down a lot since the inception of this board. It seems obvious those who aren’t returning fall in only two camps: 1. those who wanted more aviation content (we are a bit light on that) and 2. those who are left leaning. Because this place rapidly became right leaning.
Here is why. It followed exactly what happened more extensively everywhere else. We had a world where the right was heavily censored EVERYWHERE. We eventually found out that the deep state itself was directly and indirectly involved in this. It ramped up after the 2016 election and went into overdrive with the 2020 election disputes, and then Covid. This monolithic government/media/corporate narrative chokehold was only broken when Elon bought Twitter, giving the right a mainstream voice again, and then Trump’s winning in 2024, which broke the illusion that most of America was on board with lunatic wokism.
Because ALL mainstream platforms were biased toward the left and censored the right, a few independent platforms arose which started out simply “free speech for everyone” but naturally attracted the right because it was the only place the right could speak freely, and hence became concentrated right wing.
The same thing happened to our aviation forums beginning with the original AOPA board. Everyone was on there. Then they started censoring politics in general, a couple of boards split off supposedly to preserve free speech (hangar talk), they were owned and/or moderated by lefties therefore became left biased and more censorious because that’s what lefties do, until finally we ended up here, the ONLY remaining board (except maybe didn’t Peter make a new one?) that remains completely unmoderated and therefore, because it is the only place the right can speak freely, it ended up concentrating the right and hence making the left feel unwelcome.
If the left feels unwelcome here, it is 100% completely their own fault. They created this situation by being the first to censor the other side. (This is of course natural and typical lefty behavior; the left is anathema to free speech and the whole idea of liberty in general except when it applies to themselves.)
So you are correct, if we get a lefty moderator in here, the place should transform into a forum where leftists can post without fear of their delusions being countered by facts and reality. So maybe more of them will come back.
We should consider it.
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True.Not True.
I don't think we need new moderators. I don't think we NEED moderators at all. But we do need someone with privileges that can fix technical glitches. You can't give those privileges to everyone or the system would crash in days.
Look. Your meme was funny. Maybe even prescient. But it wasn't true and you got called out on it. It's over. Get over it.
Over what? Called out? LOL! You're delusional.
Is you next move a thread demanding everyone to acknowledge you are correct? I think that's been tried already.
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It is true that traffic has contracted down a lot since the inception of this board. It seems obvious those who aren’t returning fall in only two camps: 1. those who wanted more aviation content (we are a bit light on that) and 2. those who are left leaning. Because this place rapidly became right leaning.
Here is why. It followed exactly what happened more extensively everywhere else. We had a world where the right was heavily censored EVERYWHERE. We eventually found out that the deep state itself was directly and indirectly involved in this. It ramped up after the 2016 election and went into overdrive with the 2020 election disputes, and then Covid. This monolithic government/media/corporate narrative chokehold was only broken when Elon bought Twitter, giving the right a mainstream voice again, and then Trump’s winning in 2024, which broke the illusion that most of America was on board with lunatic wokism.
Because ALL mainstream platforms were biased toward the left and censored the right, a few independent platforms arose which started out simply “free speech for everyone” but naturally attracted the right because it was the only place the right could speak freely, and hence became concentrated right wing.
The same thing happened to our aviation forums beginning with the original AOPA board. Everyone was on there. Then they started censoring politics in general, a couple of boards split off supposedly to preserve free speech (hangar talk), they were owned and/or moderated by lefties therefore became left biased and more censorious because that’s what lefties do, until finally we ended up here, the ONLY remaining board (except maybe didn’t Peter make a new one?) that remains completely unmoderated and therefore, because it is the only place the right can speak freely, it ended up concentrating the right and hence making the left feel unwelcome.
If the left feels unwelcome here, it is 100% completely their own fault. They created this situation by being the first to censor the other side. (This is of course natural and typical lefty behavior; the left is anathema to free speech and the whole idea of liberty in general except when it applies to themselves.)
So you are correct, if we get a lefty moderator in here, the place should transform into a forum where leftists can post without fear of their delusions being countered by facts and reality. So maybe more of them will come back.
We should consider it.
Leftist thrive in an environment where their opinions go unchallenged and they can simply cancel any opinions that doesn't suit them. That's the entire premise behind cancel culture and censorship.
PoA doesn't ban political talk as long as it's liberal. Same with TPP. Because they view liberal ideology as mainstream and conservatism as radical. Hence why they have so many liberals there, they know they can state what they want and if confronted the "ban hammer" will fall and they are protected.
They don't have that protection here and they can be actually confronted on the views. We have one that shows up, puts out their view point and when taken to task immediately flees. And a few thinks that happens because someone is mean to them.
Politics is a blood sport.
Give this board over to the liberals to moderate and within 30 days you will have bans and post being removed. And you will see an influx of more liberals. And a few would see that as "fair".
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Didn't FB start something to try and compete against X. I wonder how that's going?
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Was only on the TPP for a short until I figured out that it wasn't truly open. I should have known as I know Brian is a leftist Ideologue. He was a regular on the Purple Board and participated a lot in the "Last" thread there. Someone did something that pissed him off and he left. While on the PB he tried starting TPP but failed miserably, it was only when the Red board shut down that he was ble to reopen TPP.
We had friended each other on FB but it wasn't long until he unfriended me, surely do to my posting of extreme right wing items.
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Leftist thrive in an environment where their opinions go unchallenged and they can simply cancel any opinions that doesn't suit them. That's the entire premise behind cancel culture and censorship.
This is why every single leftist ruled country MUST have state controlled media. Leftist ideology cannot tolerate opposing views because it is counter to natural law. It rests on forced theft from producers to support non-producers. An unsustainable and immoral arrangement. An ideology that has zero defense, therefore it cannot allow opposing voices.
PoA doesn't ban political talk as long as it's liberal. Same with TPP. Because they view liberal ideology as mainstream and conservatism as radical.
The tiny land area occupied by leftists (big cities) have controlled the media narrative and portrayed liberal ideology as mainstream because they live in an isolated bubble completely disconnected from the producers of their food and energy, which keeps them alive so they can virtue signal their moral superiority.
Meanwhile the huge red land areas support these parasites and for the most part have conservative values, meaning they understand basic economics, iow how things are produced and distributed effectively (Hint: Centralized government control is NOT the best way, unless you want to starve.)
No, this is not “radical”. This is how America became so great and prosperous. But the blue shithole cities have taken over the educational institutions and the media and now fill our kids and the public’s heads with a rewritten history painting America and capitalism as evil when those things are what brought the entire fucking world prosperity and an unlimited food supply.
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Note: This is a parody meme. IT HAS NOT been fact checked to see if she actually made this comment.
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Note: This is a parody meme. IT HAS NOT been fact checked to see if she actually made this comment.
Still pouting, huh?
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Still pouting, huh?
Pouting? LOL! You of all should be thrilled about the disclosures. Or does that take away your ability to play "gotcha"?
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We'll probably need to lock this thread for moderator review..
I just banned myself..... again.
By accident.
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I just banned myself..... again.
By accident.
See you 20 years!!
Enjoy banishment.
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Does the "report to moderator" link here actually do anything?
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Yes. Some here have an express button.
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Does the "report to moderator" link here actually do anything?
Yes. Some here have an express button.
That surprises me. I've never used it and I can't think of anyone else on the site that would use it. Perhaps some of the libs that fled used it before leaving.
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Yes. Some here have an express button.
I think a snotty answer like that should be reported to the moderator...
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Does the "report to moderator" link here actually do anything?
I never noticed we had that. Has it always been here? If I ever pushed it, it was total accident.
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That surprises me. I've never used it and I can't think of anyone else on the site that would use it. Perhaps some of the libs that fled used it before leaving.
I think I used it once or twice to report spam that snuck through...
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An Express button? I want an Express button!