Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on May 17, 2016, 04:42:12 PM
Just when I feel I've partitioned everything off into things I can and cannot do anything about, they push back into consciousness ...
The candidates
The restroom stuff, especially the O-bomb recently. Not well thought out, but par for the O-course.
The deceptions, scapegoating and hollering that mask truth and prevent progress
The hypocrisy
The surprise! In my state, marijuana-related auto accident deaths doubled after voters legalized pot. Hello!
The inability of people to act like adults, and the upcoming generation of future adults not looking too good
The sucking dry of medical care for seniors by O-care. That is a quote from my Mom's doctor yesterday.
And so on. It isn't getting better. What can we do?
Post by: Number7 on May 17, 2016, 05:28:14 PM
Our debt is our undoing, and the new generation of politicians are nothing but blind tools of the people behind the government who enrich themselves at every turn, and keep everyone at everyone else's throat.
The sooner the federal government goes you of business the better. It will hurt for long time, then get much better.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on May 17, 2016, 07:01:34 PM
Very few politicians are not on the take at this point and there is no inclination to cut spending and reduce the debt.
Post by: Bob Noel on May 18, 2016, 04:01:35 AM
It was a good run for 200+ years but the end is in sight. The only thing that will potentially save it is a revolution with the people taking the government back and starting over. The fact that we have a President extorting states over who should use which bathroom should tell you all you need to know.
Very few politicians are not on the take at this point and there is no inclination to cut spending and reduce the debt.
at this point, we won't pay off the debt.
Our children won't pay off the debt.
We'll be dead long before the debt can be paid off.
Therefore, it's not a problem. weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
OPM.... sounds a lot like opium, eh?
Post by: bflynn on May 18, 2016, 04:47:42 AM
It was a good run for 200+ years but the end is in sight. The only thing that will potentially save it is a revolution with the people taking the government back and starting over. The fact that we have a President extorting states over who should use which bathroom should tell you all you need to know.
Very few politicians are not on the take at this point and there is no inclination to cut spending and reduce the debt.
I feel less like a revolutionary and more like a Pilgrim with no New World to go to. I don't want to fight, I just want to find satisfaction in my situation in life. But apparently I'm not allowed to.
Post by: Little Joe on May 18, 2016, 05:05:11 AM
It is like a patient diagnosed with terminal cancer. He finds some doctor, or quack or snake oil salesman with a supposed cure and he wants to believe it so badly that he doesn't ask too many questions. After all, what's the alternative?
If the country is in as much trouble as you guys seem to believe, then why should we continue electing politicians as usual. At least Trump seems to recognize what most of the real problems with our economy are, and he seems to have the will to take them on. That is more than can be said for the rest of the career politicians.
After all, what's the alternative? More of the same? More elected politicians who's main goal is to get reelected?
Post by: Bob Noel on May 18, 2016, 05:37:11 AM
"They don't have a choice! Bob Rumson is the only one doing the talking! People want leadership, Mr. President, and in the absence of genuine leadership, they'll listen to anyone who steps up to the microphone. They want leadership. They're so thirsty for it they'll crawl through the desert toward a mirage, and when they discover there's no water, they'll drink the sand. "
Post by: Anthony on May 18, 2016, 05:40:04 AM
This thread helps explain the Trump phenomena.
It is like a patient diagnosed with terminal cancer. He finds some doctor, or quack or snake oil salesman with a supposed cure and he wants to believe it so badly that he doesn't ask too many questions. After all, what's the alternative?
If the country is in as much trouble as you guys seem to believe, then why should we continue electing politicians as usual. At least Trump seems to recognize what most of the real problems with our economy are, and he seems to have the will to take them on. That is more than can be said for the rest of the career politicians.
After all, what's the alternative? More of the same? More elected politicians who's main goal is to get reelected?
Not only do they just want to get re-elected, their sole mission is to enrich themselves, and grow their power. It is a sickness, and I am tired of supporting them with my money. They are thieves.
Post by: nddons on May 18, 2016, 06:26:50 AM
This thread helps explain the Trump phenomena.What has Trump done or said he was going to do to change the status quo with respect to the other 535 elected politicians that we are complaining about, and whom Trump has personally and significantly supported financially?
It is like a patient diagnosed with terminal cancer. He finds some doctor, or quack or snake oil salesman with a supposed cure and he wants to believe it so badly that he doesn't ask too many questions. After all, what's the alternative?
If the country is in as much trouble as you guys seem to believe, then why should we continue electing politicians as usual. At least Trump seems to recognize what most of the real problems with our economy are, and he seems to have the will to take them on. That is more than can be said for the rest of the career politicians.
After all, what's the alternative? More of the same? More elected politicians who's main goal is to get reelected?
Post by: nddons on May 18, 2016, 06:30:05 AM
Not only do they just want to get re-elected, their sole mission is to enrich themselves, and grow their power. It is a sickness, and I am tired of supporting them with my money. They are thieves.Again, what is Trump doing about "them" besides supporting "them" financially, including contributing to PACs dedicated to reelecting incumbents at the expense of, say, Tea Party challengers?
Post by: Anthony on May 18, 2016, 06:49:07 AM
Again, what is Trump doing about "them" besides supporting "them" financially, including contributing to PACs dedicated to reelecting incumbents at the expense of, say, Tea Party challengers?
Trump participated in the pay to play corruption that is at all levels of government. Human nature is such that I don't think it can be totally eliminated. However, I don't see Trump as a panacea for changing Washington. I see him as an anti Hillary vote, and a way to avoid packing the Supreme Court with three or four more far left, radical activist judges.
Post by: asechrest on May 18, 2016, 06:52:40 AM
Post by: Anthony on May 18, 2016, 07:04:12 AM
My advice is to just live your life. Folks like us tend to get mired in politics and governmental and social theory, but out in the real world, things are doing alright. Some things are worse, but a great many things are better than they ever were, and when folks articulate what they believe is destroying our country, they are often simply voicing an opinion that is not shared by a large chunk of the rest of the population.
Things may be OK for you, but not for many others, and there is a lot worse looming in the future for our kids, and grand kids.
Massive debt, and continued out of control growth of government.
Open borders, illegal aliens, and probably terrorists, and violent criminals entering the country.
A horrible economy with an artificial, rigged stock market.
Our world standing has been compromised.
Massive regulations, taxes, and government over reach.
Those are just a few. Yeah it's great.
Post by: JeffDG on May 18, 2016, 08:32:52 AM
Trump participated in the pay to play corruption that is at all levels of government. Human nature is such that I don't think it can be totally eliminated. However, I don't see Trump as a panacea for changing Washington. I see him as an anti Hillary vote, and a way to avoid packing the Supreme Court with three or four more far left, radical activist judges.If your intent is to "burn the system to the ground", I strongly advise against electing someone with authoritarian tendencies to rebuild it.
Post by: Little Joe on May 18, 2016, 08:34:16 AM
If your intent is to "burn the system to the ground", I strongly advise against electing someone with authoritarian tendencies to rebuild it.You mean like Hillary? The "going to fundamentally change America" Obama clone?
Post by: JeffDG on May 18, 2016, 08:35:35 AM
Things may be OK for you, but not for many others, and there is a lot worse looming in the future for our kids, and grand kids.So elect someone who has built his business on debt and bankruptices?
Massive debt, and continued out of control growth of government.
Open borders, illegal aliens, and probably terrorists, and violent criminals entering the country.Trump has said his "wall" is just a suggestion, and he supports "touchback amnesty"
A horrible economy with an artificial, rigged stock market.So put in a financial manipulator to fix it?
Our world standing has been compromised.And to fix that, we need someone who lacks a filter between his brain and mouth and has already insulted a number of our strongest and most steadfast allies?
Massive regulations, taxes, and government over reach.Again, Trump has benefitted from and shows no interest in changing any of this. He thinks it's the role of government to take property from private owners and give it to other private owners for instance.
Post by: JeffDG on May 18, 2016, 08:35:57 AM
You mean like Hillary? The "going to fundamentally change America" Obama clone?Trump has shown himself to be an authoritarian.
Post by: Little Joe on May 18, 2016, 09:13:50 AM
Trump has shown himself to be an authoritarian.Yes, he has a degree of authoritarian in him. But by definition, the President has authority. What do you want, a sniveling, politically correct, self-doubting wuss for President? Trump has also shown that he can be extremely generous and philanthropic too.
Post by: JeffDG on May 18, 2016, 09:16:35 AM
Yes, he has a degree of authoritarian in him. But by definition, the President has authority. What do you want, a sniveling, politically correct, self-doubting wuss for President? Trump has also shown that he can be extremely generous and philanthropic too.Again, if you want to burn the system down, having an authoritarian selected to rebuild it is a VERY BAD idea.
There is a distinction between an authoritarian and a "wuss". Think G. Washington. Farthest thing from an authoritarian, after he "burned the system to the ground", he could have become King for the asking, but he didn't. An authoritarian will not resist such a temptation.
Post by: Bob Noel on May 18, 2016, 09:18:55 AM
You mean like Hillary? The "going to fundamentally change America" Obama clone?
the doormat is not an Obama clone. For all of his faults, Obama is not the greedy lying sack of manure that hillary is.
Post by: Little Joe on May 18, 2016, 10:59:21 AM
Funny. You never seem to make those distinctions when you take someones statement or example and extend the premise out to the extremes to prove them wrong. And you do that more than anyone.
There is a distinction between an authoritarian and a "wuss".
Post by: asechrest on May 18, 2016, 11:08:07 AM
Funny. You never seem to make those distinctions when you take someones statement or example and extend the premise out to the extremes to prove them wrong. And you do that more than anyone.
So what you're saying is you hate America. ;D
Post by: Little Joe on May 18, 2016, 11:13:31 AM
My advice is to just live your life. Folks like us tend to get mired in politics and governmental and social theory, but out in the real world, things are doing alright. Some things are worse, but a great many things are better than they ever were, and when folks articulate what they believe is destroying our country, they are often simply voicing an opinion that is not shared by a large chunk of the rest of the population.Spoken like someone who has not been hurt as badly by the economy as a bunch of people I know. My guess is you haven't lost your house to foreclosure. I also wager that you have never owned a business and learned to dread the mail every day because there was going to be some new regulation, or inspection, of user fee, or other regulatory requirement that is going to take days out of your tight schedule.
The world is not all rosy and those that choose to ignore the problems are the ones that are allowing them to fester.
It would be very easy for me to just take your advice and allow the Democrats to take care of me for the rest of my retirement years. Especially since I don't have any kids to worry about. But I still want the best for your kids and all future generations.
Post by: Little Joe on May 18, 2016, 11:14:37 AM
So what you're saying is you hate America. ;DExactly.
No, wait, that's not what I meant . . .
I see what you did there! ;)
Post by: nddons on May 18, 2016, 11:27:06 AM
Yes, he has a degree of authoritarian in him. But by definition, the President has authority. What do you want, a sniveling, politically correct, self-doubting wuss for President? Trump has also shown that he can be extremely generous and philanthropic too.How do we know that, because he said that he was generous and philanthropic? Without releasing his returns you can't possibly verify that.
I can't believe that we've lost the desire to vet our supreme leaders.
Post by: JeffDG on May 18, 2016, 11:47:01 AM
How do we know that, because he said that he was generous and philanthropic? Without releasing his returns you can't possibly verify that.Various veteran's charities are still waiting for the money he raised when he was afraid to go to the debate with the blonde woman in Iowa.
I can't believe that we've lost the desire to vet our supreme leaders.
Post by: asechrest on May 18, 2016, 12:49:50 PM
Spoken like someone who has not been hurt as badly by the economy as a bunch of people I know. My guess is you haven't lost your house to foreclosure. I also wager that you have never owned a business and learned to dread the mail every day because there was going to be some new regulation, or inspection, of user fee, or other regulatory requirement that is going to take days out of your tight schedule.
You don't know me. :)
The world is not all rosy and those that choose to ignore the problems are the ones that are allowing them to fester.
It would be very easy for me to just take your advice and allow the Democrats to take care of me for the rest of my retirement years. Especially since I don't have any kids to worry about. But I still want the best for your kids and all future generations.
I didn't say live your life and fail to partake in politics. I just think it is healthy to keep some perspective. That perspective necessarily involves a realization that much of what we talk about within these walls is partisan opinion that many people do not agree with, and that despite the cries of some, our country is unlikely to be nearing its end. After all, folks have been saying that for generations, and here we stand, still the greatest country on Earth.
Post by: Little Joe on May 18, 2016, 01:51:08 PM
You don't know me. :)You are right. I don't know you or know anything about you. That is why I said "spoken like someone . . .".
But generally, I do respect your opinions and your perspective. Even if I do often disagree.
I didn't say live your life and fail to partake in politics. I just think it is healthy to keep some perspective. That perspective necessarily involves a realization that much of what we talk about within these walls is partisan opinion that many people do not agree with, and that despite the cries of some, our country is unlikely to be nearing its end. After all, folks have been saying that for generations, and here we stand, still the greatest country on Earth.Ok, I respect that perspective too.
But some people watch birds for a hobby, or collect coins or various other meaningless activities. I discuss politics.
I also watch birds, dolphins, manatees and I spend time working on the landscape of my new house and various other projects. But discussing politics is my main entertainment.
So far, I have not found much time to be bored in retirement like so many people warned me of.
Post by: asechrest on May 18, 2016, 02:21:16 PM
You are right. I don't know you or know anything about you. That is why I said "spoken like someone . . .".
But generally, I do respect your opinions and your perspective. Even if I do often disagree.
Ok, I respect that perspective too.
But some people watch birds for a hobby, or collect coins or various other meaningless activities. I discuss politics.
I also watch birds, dolphins, manatees and I spend time working on the landscape of my new house and various other projects. But discussing politics is my main entertainment.
So far, I have not found much time to be bored in retirement like so many people warned me of.
Fair enough, and I respect all of that as well. I, too, enjoy political discussion, which sometimes means getting my head bashed in around here. ;D Retirement is not in sight for me, but I have a new house too. My first. I love projects, and the night of my closing I was already ripping out the carpets and preparing to lay my own flooring. We'll see how that goes!
Post by: nddons on May 18, 2016, 02:23:53 PM
You are right. I don't know you or know anything about you. That is why I said "spoken like someone . . .".Retirement? TAKER!!!!!!
But generally, I do respect your opinions and your perspective. Even if I do often disagree.
Ok, I respect that perspective too.
But some people watch birds for a hobby, or collect coins or various other meaningless activities. I discuss politics.
I also watch birds, dolphins, manatees and I spend time working on the landscape of my new house and various other projects. But discussing politics is my main entertainment.
So far, I have not found much time to be bored in retirement like so many people warned me of.
Just kidding. Congrats.
Post by: Little Joe on May 18, 2016, 02:37:01 PM
Retirement? TAKER!!!!!!Thanks, but I haven't started taking yet. I have two more years before Medicare and at least three more before I start taking SS. For now, it all comes out of savings.
Just kidding. Congrats.
Post by: Little Joe on May 18, 2016, 02:54:19 PM
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on May 18, 2016, 03:48:29 PM
Post by: LevelWing on May 18, 2016, 09:11:02 PM
This is what I see when I am at my computer telling you guys how to run the world!That looks awesome. Congrats!
Post by: You Only Live Twice on May 22, 2016, 02:25:34 PM
I feel less like a revolutionary and more like a Pilgrim with no New World to go to. I don't want to fight, I just want to find satisfaction in my situation in life. But apparently I'm not allowed to.
This Government (local, state,federal) does not recognize a person's God-given right to be let alone.
Post by: You Only Live Twice on May 22, 2016, 02:28:02 PM
The sucking dry of medical care for seniors by O-care. That is a quote from my Mom's doctor yesterday.
Explain this one. What difference did F-Care make due to seniors already on Medicare?
Post by: You Only Live Twice on May 22, 2016, 02:29:14 PM
I see him as an anti Hillary vote, and a way to avoid packing the Supreme Court with three or four more far left, radical activist judges.
Reason enough.