PILOT SPIN
Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: Jaybird180 on May 31, 2016, 07:19:26 AM
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3617016/EXCLUSIVE-PICTURES-parents-four-son-fell-zoo-enclosure-sparking-controversial-killing-Harambe-gorilla-emerges-father-lengthy-criminal-history.html
When I first heard about the little boy who fell into the Cincinnati zoo Gorilla habitat, my first thoughts were that the parents were at fault and should be sued by the city's citizens (with the zoo as co-defendants) for the loss of the Gorilla's life.
According to this article, barriers may have been lacking further indicating a shared responsibility.
Some are claiming that the Animal rights activists are in a tizzy because the family is Black, they wouldn't have questioned the decision of human vs animal life if the boy were White. It would have been a nice social experiment to have withheld the identity of the family for awhile longer to see if that would have played out.
Why is it relevant the father's criminal history? We don't talk about Trump's father nor Kennedy's father's criminal histories when discussing them. Are there 2 standards? Let's discuss in the context of this story.
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I had no idea that they were black.
My first thought was that the paernts were at fault, but given the circumstances, they did the right thing by killing the gorilla. And yes, the parents should be charged with something.
As far as insufficient barriers, if that was the case then why was the first incident in 35 years. Just how far can you be expected to go to prevent stupid people from getting hurt?
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I had no idea that they were black.
My first thought was that the paernts were at fault, but given the circumstances, they did the right thing by killing the gorilla. And yes, the parents should be charged with something.
As far as insufficient barriers, if that was the case then why was the first incident in 35 years. Just how far can you be expected to go to prevent stupid people from getting hurt?
It was a momentary lapse of parental supervision according to a witness. The child was determined to go play in the water and perceived no danger.
When considering risk, there is a concept called Annual Loss Expectancy. Since they've had a loss after 35 years, they can calculate it and design a cost effective security solution. How do you put a price on a life? How do you valuate the life of an endangered species? I think they can spend a couple thousand now to mitigate the loss of 1/35th of a life per year. Mind you, that loss can occur in any year, it doesn't mean they should wait until year 34 then erect a barrier.
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As a hard liner against abortion, i find it remarkable in a bad way that the animal rights whiners are screaming about the life of a gorilla balanced against a young child, while supporting live birth abortion and all the other evil crimes committed against unborn children.
I know... the save the baby seals group, protect eagle nests and never let baby turtles die, crowd sees no hypocrisy here.
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Heard a great talking head point...while it was the right decision to shoot to kill, it did not need to happen. It is a systemic cultural shift that safety and responsibility is now somehow the job of industry and government rather than both personal and COMMUNITY responsibility. If another adult had grabbed that kid, we live in a society where mom would have screamed bloody murder...NOT at the kid, but the person stepping in, so why get involved? We can not protect everyone from every conceivable incident..and if so to what end...line the streets with barriers so that kids do not run out and get hit by cars?
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It was a momentary lapse of parental supervision according to a witness. The child was determined to go play in the water and perceived no danger.
If a non-related witness was able to observe that the kid was determined to go play in the water (in the Gorilla's enclosure), then WHY didn't the kids parents also see that? They are the ones that are supposed to be watching their little brat.
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If a non-related witness was able to observe that the kid was determined to go play in the water (in the Gorilla's enclosure), then WHY didn't the kids parents also see that? They are the ones that are supposed to be watching their little brat.
The witness reported that the mom told the child "NO" in very certain terms. It's in the article.
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The witness reported that the mom told the child "NO" in very certain terms. It's in the article.
and that always works. ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
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1) There is no legitimate racial angle. I did not even know until this thread the race of the child or his family.
2) I would think every parent knows that it's physically impossible to watch a child every single moment. Most parents earnestly try their best - there's a biological imperative to do so. But lapses and accidents happen - that's just the reality.
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1) There is no legitimate racial angle. I did not even know until this thread the race of the child or his family.
2) I would think every parent knows that it's physically impossible to watch a child every single moment. Most parents earnestly try their best - there's a biological imperative to do so. But lapses and accidents happen - that's just the reality.
Okay, so you certify and stamp what is a legitimate issue??!???!! That's high and whitey of you.
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I'm not 100% convinced the child would have died, I am convinced there was a significant risk that the child would have been harmed and human > animal. I'm sorry an animal had to die but because of the chance of an accident, it was the right thing.
I have heard of this happening before where the male gorilla not only chased off the other gorillas, not only stood guard over the child, but eventually gently picked the child up and handed it back to the mother. Gorillas are not viscous, but they are very strong and cause injury more through an accident or neglect than through intent.
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Okay, so you certify and stamp what is a legitimate issue??!???!! That's high and whitey of you.
In these trying times, some sane individual must speak up and I simply accepted the mantle.
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Okay, so you certify and stamp what is a legitimate issue??!???!! That's high and whitey of you.
That is completely unfair and borders simple, knee jerk, racism.
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1) There is no legitimate racial angle. I did not even know until this thread the race of the child or his family.
+1 wrt the race of the child/family.
The newspaper I read that had the story(ies) did not say anything about the child or family wrt race or background.
But, since some people have a fixation on race and think everything is ultimately about race, I'm not surprised it becomes an issue for some.
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Now THIS could be construed as racist!
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/07/01/13/2A23A22200000578-0-Google_has_issued_an_apology_after_computer_programmer_Jacky_Alc-a-28_1435752503903.jpg)
Google took a lot of heat for that algorithm!
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Google took a lot of heat for that algorithm!
To err is human, to really screw things up requires a computer.
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Now THIS could be construed as racist!
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/07/01/13/2A23A22200000578-0-Google_has_issued_an_apology_after_computer_programmer_Jacky_Alc-a-28_1435752503903.jpg)
Google took a lot of heat for that algorithm!
One can't repeat as a joke what others have agreed is racist and not escape the label.
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One can't repeat as a joke what others have agreed is racist and not escape the label.
Label away!
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Label away!
There ya go!
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There ya go!
Why is it that my first response is to feel honored?
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Why is it that my first response is to feel honored?
As I've repeatedly stated, "racist" is nothing more than a joke punchline.
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Why is it that my first response is to feel honored?
Then perhaps you should update your Avatar.
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Then perhaps you should update your Avatar.
Probably not the best idea if I ever want to be president of the NAACP!
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Probably not the best idea if I ever want to be president of the NAACP!
and ya know, we have about the same chances at running for the job.
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Been wondering if Harambe might still be alive had he not missed the memo on evolution?
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In other news:
http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/31/us/chicago-memorial-day-violence/index.html
42 People were shot over the Memorial Day weekend, yet the media's focus was on a primate named Harambe. What are the names of the 42 human beings?
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In other news:
http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/31/us/chicago-memorial-day-violence/index.html
42 People were shot over the Memorial Day weekend, yet the media's focus was on a primate named Harambe. What are the names of the 42 human beings?
Willie, Leroy, Tyrone, Jamal. . .
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In other news:
http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/31/us/chicago-memorial-day-violence/index.html
42 People were shot over the Memorial Day weekend, yet the media's focus was on a primate named Harambe. What are the names of the 42 human beings?
Normalcy, whether positive or negative, is rarely reported in the media. A gorilla getting capped isn't normal hence the air play.
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Maybe the gorilla was racist?
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Maybe the gorilla was racist?
Don't care. Once he started dragging the boy around, he was done. Human > animal every time.