PILOT SPIN
Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: nddons on June 16, 2016, 07:54:49 AM
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“Our leaders have to get a lot tougher, and be quiet. Just please be quiet,” Trump told his supporters. “Don’t talk. Please, be quiet. Just be quiet, to the leaders, because they have to get tougher, they have to get sharper, they have to get smarter, and we have to have our Republicans either stick together or let me just do it by myself.”
Trump stressed that he would do “very well” by himself.
“A lot of people thought I should do that anyway,” he said. “But I’ll just do it very nicely by myself. I think you’re gonna have a very good result. I think we’ll be very happy. I’ll run as a Republican.”
Wait. I thought he was a Republican? In name only, sure, but you wouldn’t expect him to bring that up at this stage of the game.
“Shut up and let me handle things” may work for his business, but the idea that he can say it to our joint branches of government and expect them not to comment or do what they can to save the party from his destructive talk is as unrealistic as his TV persona.
http://www.redstate.com/sweetie15/2016/06/15/trump-gop-leadership-ill/
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If Trump wins he will need the support from Congressional Republicans to get things done. He can't pass laws on his own unless he plans to use his pen and phone and bypass Congress like President Obama has done.
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Maybe he'll get sufficiently honked off at the Republicans that he'll run as an independent. That might be fun to watch.
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Maybe he'll get sufficiently honked off at the Republicans that he'll run as an independent. That might be fun to watch.
Only if Bernie Sanders decides to also run as an independent.
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This is the start of it..
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This is the start of it..
Is that a real picture, or did you or someone else (like MSNBC) just photoshop it?
The biggest arguments against Trump exist in people's imaginations.
The biggest arguments against Clinton appear in the news and in documented history.
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If the GOP folks were really smart they'd find a way to get rid of Trump at the convention. Yeah, they'd lose the Presidential election, but they'd probably keep Congress. Trump is so toxic that not only will they lose the Presidential election, but I bet by association they lose the Senate as well. GOP Senatorial candidates are already dancing around the Donald's absurd proclamations, and it will only get worse. What a fun election season.
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If the GOP folks were really smart they'd find a way to get rid of Trump at the convention. Yeah, they'd lose the Presidential election, but they'd probably keep Congress. Trump is so toxic that not only will they lose the Presidential election, but I bet by association they lose the Senate as well. GOP Senatorial candidates are already dancing around the Donald's absurd proclamations, and it will only get worse. What a fun election season.
Yet the democrats are running an old, tired woman with a penchant for lying and deception who is constantly plaqued by scandals, has a track record of a total failure in public service and is currently under a criminal investigation. Let's not forget using her "foundation" to funnel money in as she sold influence while acting as a Senator and a Secretary of State. And the biggest failure of a President (fellow liberal) claims she is more qualified than he is.
Yep, let the fun begin.
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Is that a real picture, or did you or someone else (like MSNBC) just photoshop it?
The biggest arguments against Trump exist in people's imaginations.
The biggest arguments against Clinton appear in the news and in documented history.
Are you actually suggesting that Trump's stances on the First, Second and Fifth Amendments are in people's imaginations?
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If the GOP folks were really smart they'd find a way to get rid of Trump at the convention. Yeah, they'd lose the Presidential election, but they'd probably keep Congress. Trump is so toxic that not only will they lose the Presidential election, but I bet by association they lose the Senate as well. GOP Senatorial candidates are already dancing around the Donald's absurd proclamations, and it will only get worse. What a fun election season.
Trump may not be the ideal candidate by any measure, but at least he hasn't sold out his country and isn't under criminal investigation. I have issues with Trump's policy positions but there's no comparison between his "scandals" and Clinton's actual scandals and broken laws.
What will be fun is when Trump is elected and bypasses Congress to do what he wants and the Democrats cry foul. It won't be right, but it'll be fun to watch how the Democrats react.
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Are you actually suggesting that Trump's stances on the First, Second and Fifth Amendments are in people's imaginations?
No. I disagree with many of his statements in those regards. But I also reject it when people take his opinion and extrapolate it to the nth degree.
Trump sounds as if he is willing to infringe on our right to bear arms to a point.
I believe Hillary would be fine with nullifying the 2nd.
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No. I disagree with many of his statements in those regards. But I also reject it when people take his opinion and extrapolate it to the nth degree.
Trump sounds as if he is willing to infringe on our right to bear arms to a point.
I believe Hillary would be fine with nullifying the 2nd.
How is either acceptable? "Shall not be infringed" seems pretty clear.
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No. I disagree with many of his statements in those regards. But I also reject it when people take his opinion and extrapolate it to the nth degree.
Trump sounds as if he is willing to infringe on our right to bear arms to a point.
I believe Hillary would be fine with nullifying the 2nd.
Infringing the right to bear arms, to a point IS nullifying the 2nd.
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Good thing folks can trust Trumpy not to sell access.
www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/trump-proposes-putting-major-super-pac-donor-charge-china-n594096?cid=sm_tw&hootPostID=9eec6b3db3a92c20061175829f740dc9
DALLAS — Donald Trump on Thursday night proposed putting a major Republican donor backing a super PAC supporting his campaign "in charge of China."
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Yet the democrats are running an old, tired woman
She's two years younger than the Donald
with a penchant for lying and deception
otherwise known as a politician
who is constantly plaqued by scandals,
mostly fabricated, like the ones of her predecessor
has a track record of a total failure in public service
if that's what you call being elected Senator and appointed Secretary of State. I myself use slightly different verbiage.
and is currently under a criminal investigation.
Actually, no she isn't. She violated State Department policy as did many her predecessors. But that is a far cry from violating the law.
Let's not forget using her "foundation" to funnel money in as she sold influence while acting as a Senator and a Secretary of State.
She has publicly excoriated many of the Clinton Foundations biggest foreign donors on the campaign trail. Not terribly effective influence buying.
And the biggest failure of a President (fellow liberal) claims she is more qualified than he is.
Yep, let the fun begin.
Says you. Odin only knows what a "good" president would look like, but I doubt the nation would survive it.
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She's two years younger than the Donald
Her campaign rallies are drawing smaller crowds, her base vote has vastly dwindled from 2008. People, even democrats are suffering "Clinton Fatigue".
otherwise known as a politician
Funny thing about liberals, no matter what a liar and crook their politician is, as long as they have a "D" after their name everything is acceptable.
mostly fabricated, like the ones of her predecessor
Yea right. The facts are overwhelming, but again, democratic talking points just say deny, deny, deny, deny and that makes it untrue.
if that's what you call being elected Senator and appointed Secretary of State. I myself use slightly different verbiage.
She carpetbagged into NY because she knew she would get elected no matter what, and after elected she was a total nothing in the senate. So please tell us what were her accomplishments as a Senator? Also, other than destabilizing the mid east, destroying Libya, creating a civil war in Syria, what were her accomplishments as Secretary of State?
Actually, no she isn't. She violated State Department policy as did many her predecessors. But that is a far cry from violating the law.
The FBI, the OIG and even the WH would disagree with that. It's common knowledge that she is under criminal investigation, so again the liberal deny,deny,deny,deny doesn't hold water. As far as her predecessors, they did nothing in comparison to the degree she broke the law. Again, that's all fact.
She has publicly excoriated many of the Clinton Foundations biggest foreign donors on the campaign trail. Not terribly effective influence buying.
What a joke. Why doesn't she return the money? Why doesn't she return the money and stop taking more donations? Why is Saudi Arabia one of her biggest campaign donors (20%+)?
Says you. Odin only knows what a "good" president would look like, but I doubt the nation would survive it.
We've had several good presidents in our life time, the best being Ronald Reagan. Clinton would be a disaster as President.
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If Trump wins he will need the support from Congressional Republicans to get things done. He can't pass laws on his own unless he plans to use his pen and phone and bypass Congress like President Obama has done.
Ding, Ding, Ding!! We have winner!! This is exactly what Emperor Trump will do. I imagine that as long as the congress is divided, this is what all the presidents moving forward will do, but Trump whip out the phone and the pen on day one.
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If the GOP folks were really smart they'd find a way to get rid of Trump at the convention. Yeah, they'd lose the Presidential election, but they'd probably keep Congress. Trump is so toxic that not only will they lose the Presidential election, but I bet by association they lose the Senate as well. GOP Senatorial candidates are already dancing around the Donald's absurd proclamations, and it will only get worse. What a fun election season.
Agreed. Trump is embolden, so he will be spouting off all kids of crazy, off the top of his head stuff and now all those down ticket folks who pledged support for him have to deal with the crap he says. It's going to be brutal for them. As a registered Republican, I have to hope there is a way out of this tragedy.
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If the GOP folks were really smart they'd find a way to get rid of Trump at the convention. Yeah, they'd lose the Presidential election, but they'd probably keep Congress. Trump is so toxic that not only will they lose the Presidential election, but I bet by association they lose the Senate as well. GOP Senatorial candidates are already dancing around the Donald's absurd proclamations, and it will only get worse. What a fun election season.
So as a die hard liberal, why wouldn't you want Trump running against Hillary? You, in your mind, should be over joyed that Trump is the Republican nominee.
A bit odd how the democrats are all complaining about Trump being the republican nominee and spouting off the talking points of how terrible he is.
The reality is the democrats realize Trump can win this, especially running against Hillary.
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Agreed. Trump is embolden, so he will be spouting off all kids of crazy, off the top of his head stuff and now all those down ticket folks who pledged support for him have to deal with the crap he says. It's going to be brutal for them. As a registered Republican, I have to hope there is a way out of this tragedy.
Ben Shapiro addresses this and he's spot on:
Yesterday, I spoke with a congressional candidate in a highly-contested district. He has a solid shot of winning the seat. When I asked him about Trump and his strategy for dealing with Trump questions, he essentially stated that he would say that he’s not Trump’s surrogate, doesn’t speak for Trump, and has nothing to do with Trump. Disassociation from Trump may be the best insurance against losing the House. Ramesh Ponnuru quotes a strategist today who says the same thing: “if Trump looks like a sure loser, congressional Republican candidates should do what they did in 1996, when their presidential nominee Bob Dole seemed doomed to defeat: Present themselves as necessary checks on a Democratic president named Clinton.”
http://www.dailywire.com/news/6690/yes-trump-damages-conservatism-hes-doing-it-right-ben-shapiro?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_content=news&utm_campaign=twitterbenshapiro
I'm about to start a thread discussing the whole article.
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So as a die hard liberal, why wouldn't you want Trump running against Hillary? You, in your mind, should be over joyed that Trump is the Republican nominee.
A bit odd how the democrats are all complaining about Trump being the republican nominee and spouting off the talking points of how terrible he is.
The reality is the democrats realize Trump can win this, especially running against Hillary.
I love that Trump is the nominee. I really do. Not only is he going to loose the White House for the GOP, but he's likely going to cost them one or both houses of Congress. And he is as fun to watch as a reality TV star should be.
The only thing better for Democrats than a Trump candidacy would be a Trump Presidency.
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I love that Trump is the nominee. I really do. Not only is he going to loose the White House for the GOP, but he's likely going to cost them one or both houses of Congress. And he is as fun to watch as a reality TV star should be.
The only thing better for Democrats than a Trump candidacy would be a Trump Presidency.
But previously you were wanting the republicans to get rid of him.
So to be clear, you really don't have a clue as to what you are writing. Got it.
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But previously you were wanting the republicans to get rid of him.
So to be clear, you really don't have a clue as to what you are writing. Got it.
That's not what he said. He said if they were smart, they'd replace him.
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But previously you were wanting the republicans to get rid of him.
So to be clear, you really don't have a clue as to what you are writing. Got it.
By Odin I don't want the GOP to get rid of him. He's the best thing for Democrats since Sarah Palin. Two more GOP governors, Fred Upton or Michigan and Maryland's Larry Hogan have refused to endorse him. Think he could reach across the isle and unite the parties? He can't even unite his own party!
What I said is that the GOP would be smart to rid itself of the Donald and try to limit the damage. And if I've thought of it I bet the guys in charge of these things have thought of it too. They have no good outcomes. They need to figure out which is less bad. I think letting things take their course will be an out and out disaster. The GOP convention could be very good TV indeed.
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By Odin I don't want the GOP to get rid of him. He's the best thing for Democrats since Sarah Palin. Two more GOP governors, Fred Upton or Michigan and Maryland's Larry Hogan have refused to endorse him. Think he could reach across the isle and unite the parties? He can't even unite his own party!
What I said is that the GOP would be smart to rid itself of the Donald and try to limit the damage. And if I've thought of it I bet the guys in charge of these things have thought of it too. They have no good outcomes. They need to figure out which is less bad. I think letting things take their course will be an out and out disaster. The GOP convention could be very good TV indeed.
So why be concerned with what the GOP is doing? Again like many liberals, your fear is Trump running against Hillary.
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So why be concerned with what the GOP is doing? Again like many liberals, your fear is Trump running against Hillary.
Why do you care what the GOP is doing, Mr. Independent?
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So why be concerned with what the GOP is doing? Again like many liberals, your fear is Trump running against Hillary.
No, I WANT Trump to run against the Hildebeest. I think she'll mop the floor with him and make for some entertaining news cycles as well. Just thinking out loud about the clusterfuck the GOP now find themselves in.
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No, I WANT Trump to run against the Hildebeest. I think she'll mop the floor with him and make for some entertaining news cycles as well. Just thinking out loud about the clusterfuck the GOP now find themselves in.
Right. ::)
Speaking of clusterfucks, the DNC has a real one going with an unenthusiastic nominee that has to rely on "super delegates" to get the nomination, low voter enthusiasm and of course that lingering criminal investigation.
The debates should be fun watching Hillary be put on the spot about he Clinton Foundation, her criminal investigation, Benghazi, the pitiful record of her as Secretary of State, her lackluster time in the senate, her husbands philandering, etc, etc, etc.
Even Harry Reid was quoted as saying "Never under estimate Donald Trump".
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Why do you care what the GOP is doing, Mr. Independent?
I believe he cares about what is best (or least worst) for the country.
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I believe he cares about what is best (or least worst) for the country.
Holding him to his own standard.
He couldn't fathom the concept of someone who was a libertarian having any thoughts about the Republican party, so why does he get to intrude on that same party now that he's an independent?
Although, expecting any kind of intellectual consistency from someone who follows Trump the way he does would be asking a lot. Don't like Trump's opinion, just ignore it, I'm sure he's said something to your liking sometime that you can claim to be his one true position.
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No, I WANT Trump to run against the Hildebeest. I think she'll mop the floor with him and make for some entertaining news cycles as well. Just thinking out loud about the clusterfuck the GOP now find themselves in.
Trump was very effective during the Republican debates and has the ability to speak without being prepped. As many faults as Trump has, Hillary is going to have a very hard time in the debates. She has nothing to stand on. I agree with you that I think the news cycles will be fun, though. Watching Hillary stumble through debates will be fun.
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Trump was very effective during the Republican debates and has the ability to speak without being prepped. As many faults as Trump has, Hillary is going to have a very hard time in the debates. She has nothing to stand on. I agree with you that I think the news cycles will be fun, though. Watching Hillary stumble through debates will be fun.
What if she doesn't participate in the debates?
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What if she doesn't participate in the debates?
I would think she'll have to, from a PR stand point. I can see the TV ads now: "If Hillary can't even debate another American during an election, how is she expected to answer that 3AM phone call?"
Besides, Democrats keep saying how over joyed they are that Trump is the Republican nominee, so I'd think they'd be eager to debate him since Hillary is so much better than Trump.
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I would think she'll have to, from a PR stand point. I can see the TV ads now: "If Hillary can't even debate another American during an election, how is she expected to answer that 3AM phone call?"
Besides, Democrats keep saying how over joyed they are that Trump is the Republican nominee, so I'd think they'd be eager to debate him since Hillary is so much better than Trump.
One would think that, but in reality Hillary cannot operate outside of a very controlled environment. Just go watch her last interview on Fox with Brett Bair. The democratic debates were very controlled and a few times when Sanders took her on she fumbled and stumbled.
The thing about Trump is he is very aware of her weakness and as many have said he is very unpredictable. Hillary will have a difficult time prepping for a debate and keeping her control with Trump on the stage.
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One would think that, but in reality Hillary cannot operate outside of a very controlled environment. Just go watch her last interview on Fox with Brett Bair. The democratic debates were very controlled and a few times when Sanders took her on she fumbled and stumbled.
The thing about Trump is he is very aware of her weakness and as many have said he is very unpredictable. Hillary will have a difficult time prepping for a debate and keeping her control with Trump on the stage.
Which is exactly why it will be fun to watch. :D
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I would think she'll have to, from a PR stand point. I can see the TV ads now: "If Hillary can't even debate another American during an election, how is she expected to answer that 3AM phone call?"
Besides, Democrats keep saying how over joyed they are that Trump is the Republican nominee, so I'd think they'd be eager to debate him since Hillary is so much better than Trump.
She'll have the entire press running interference for her. She'll be focusing on "listening to ordinary Americans, not trading insults with an alleged billionaire", and so on.
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Which is exactly why it will be fun to watch. :D
And why there's a substantial chance you won't get the chance.
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There are a ton of sheeple who will vote for Hillary whether she debates or not, whether she wins or loses any debates, whether she is indicted, or pardoned. They don't care about all these witch hunts by the vast right-wing conspiracy.
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What if she doesn't participate in the debates?
Will you call her a coward, like you did when Trump refused to participate in the Fox Debacle?
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Will you call her a coward, like you did when Trump refused to participate in the Fox Debacle?
Sure will.
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There are a ton of sheeple who will vote for Hillary whether she debates or not, whether she wins or loses any debates, whether she is indicted, or pardoned. They don't care about all these witch hunts by the vast right-wing conspiracy.
And there just as many sheeple that are going to vote for Trump because he has an R next to his name and well... because Hillary!!
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I am praying for a sea change at the convention that replaces Trump and Hilary with respectable options but have little hope.
If things turn out as they appear, i have decided to sit this one out rather than hate myself for voting for either disgusting candidate.
If that is your option then after the election please don't complain about the outcome.
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If that is your option then after the election please don't complain about the outcome.
That is completely invalid.
Anyone has the right to complain about the candidates nominated by any party.
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That is completely invalid.
Anyone has the right to complain about the candidates nominated by any party.
They sure do.
But to say "I will sit out the election and not vote" then complain about the outcome is bullshit.
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They sure do.
But to say "I will sit out the election and not vote" then complain about the outcome is bullshit.
Hmmm...I don't recall anyone saying they were sitting out the election. Just because you don't plan to vote for either Democrat doesn't mean you're sitting out.
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Hmmm...I don't recall anyone saying they were sitting out the election. Just because you don't plan to vote for either Democrat doesn't mean you're sitting out.
Doesn't matter if someone votes in the Presidential election or not. You will still have every right to complain about the quality of candidates that each party nominated.
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These aren't candidates. These are the result of the ongoing criminal behavior of the major parties. Once you stoop this low, then you get someone that reflects your party leadership and their core values.
I would expect that each party should always nominate someone that reflects the party leadership and core values.
Or more specifically, the part should always nominate someone that reflects the stated core values.
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It's terrific that Trump has dragged the Republican Party into the trend of Shut-Uppery
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It's terrific that Trump has dragged the Republican Party into the trend of Shut-Uppery
Previously, people have claimed that change is good and things are better now than, say, 20 years ago.
Are you suggesting that they were mistaken?
/sarcasm
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They sure do.
But to say "I will sit out the election and not vote" then complain about the outcome is bullshit.
I for one am going to vote.
Then I am going to complain about the outcome.
Whoever wins.
For different reasons, and with different intensities.
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I for one am going to vote.
Then I am going to complain about the outcome.
Whoever wins.
For different reasons, and with different intensities.
At least you are willing to participate in the process and attempt to make a difference, unlike some jackass who will sit at home and refuse to vote for anyone then cry like a little girl after election is over.
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At least you are willing to participate in the process and attempt to make a difference, unlike some jackass who will sit at home and refuse to vote for anyone then cry like a little girl after election is over.
Who on here has said they are going to sit out?
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Who on here has said they are going to sit out?
See post #41:
I am praying for a sea change at the convention that replaces Trump and Hilary with respectable options but have little hope.
If things turn out as they appear, i have decided to sit this one out rather than hate myself for voting for either disgusting candidate.
As I keep saying, if one truly feels that Trump will be as bad for the country as Hillary, then sitting out is probably what you should do. I'd rather a disgruntled conservative sit out the election than vote for Hillary.
But many people have indeed said they intend on sitting out this election.
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See post #41:
Fair 'nuff.
As I keep saying, if one truly feels that Trump will be as bad for the country as Hillary, then sitting out is probably what you should do. I'd rather a disgruntled conservative sit out the election than vote for Hillary.
There are options other than Trump, Hillary or Sit out.
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Fair 'nuff.
There are options other than Trump, Hillary or Sit out.
As Spock said, there are always alternatives,
but unless something major happens in the next few months, there are no alternatives that will have any effect or make any difference.