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Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on November 25, 2015, 05:34:20 PM
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I'm of the opinion that the US as we know/knew it is not going to be salvageable. With that premise what do you believe we will see as signs backing this up. I'll give you one sign I see today. The seeming hatred of the first amendment on college campuses and the use of "free speech zones". Will these college kids bring that with them into the "real world" as they try to assimilate into the work place?
Your turn.
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I'm worried, but not as pessimistic as you. I do worry about the hostility toward self-sufficiency and work ethic by the millennial generation. I think that's a cancer that will have to reverse, or we're doomed to the Bernie Sanders of the world promising the world to the most gullible.
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With public education becoming a day care center, instead of a citadel of learning, where the only thing more useless than a teacher union member, is a public school administrator, the downfall will come faster than we realize. As American students falls farther behind much of the rest of the world in almost every category, we see our competitive edge gone like one of Barack Obama's fabrications.
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There's the odd glimmer of hope on the horizon.
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/at-princeton-a-push-back-against-campus-crybullies/article/2577139
[size=0px]A group of Princeton University students are pushing back against the protesters on campus that are demanding the administration bend to their will.[/size][/color][/size][size=0px]The student group, calling themselves the Princeton Open Campus Coalition, wrote a letter to Princeton President Christopher Eisgruber, which has been posted in full on the Powerline Blog. The students were seeking a meeting with Eisgruber in order to give their interpretation of the protests.[/size]
[/size][size=0px]“We are concerned mainly with the importance of preserving an intellectual culture in which all members of the Princeton community feel free to engage in civil discussion and to express their convictions without fear of being subjected to intimidation or abuse,” the group wrote. “Thanks to recent polls, surveys, and petitions, we have reason to believe that our concerns are shared by a majority of our fellow Princeton undergraduates.”[/size]
[/size][size=0px]The group wrote they would “not occupy” the president’s office, as protesters had done the previous week, demanding Woodrow Wilson’s name be removed from campus buildings due to his racism. They also said they would conduct themselves “in the civil manner.”[/size]
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I'm of the opinion that the US as we know/knew it is not going to be salvageable. With that premise what do you believe we will see as signs backing this up. I'll give you one sign I see today. The seeming hatred of the first amendment on college campuses and the use of "free speech zones". Will these college kids bring that with them into the "real world" as they try to assimilate into the work place?
Your turn.
Have you been watching what is going on in Greece?
Who is going to bail us out?
Probably the Chinese.
I read somewhere (probably POA SZ) about an American auto factory welcoming their new Chinese "Partners". The Chinese objected saying "we are not your partners; we own you".
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In a conversation over the holidays, I learned that several GA aircraft companies are "partnering" with the Chinese.
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I'm of the opinion that the US as we know/knew it is not going to be salvageable. With that premise what do you believe we will see as signs backing this up. I'll give you one sign I see today. The seeming hatred of the first amendment on college campuses and the use of "free speech zones". Will these college kids bring that with them into the "real world" as they try to assimilate into the work place?
Your turn.
Ahhhh...you do realize that Pilotspin was created to provide a Free Speech Zone, right? Borne of out another purportedly FSZ.
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Look around, we are living it right now.
'Gimp
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A large dose of "1984" cut with "Brave New World" and a hint of "Minority Report".
Basically a little more of what we have.
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Maybe I'm too pessimistic, but we're now living in a world of PC craziness where the right to no be offended is speading like cancer, the government knows no bounds with regard to taxing or spending, police are militarized and respect few civil rights, and we have no privacy from either the government or business.
If you're looking for the beginning of the end, we passed that a while back.
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2016 is the tipping point. Actually, the tipping point may be well past. I don't think Bernie has a shot unless Hillary implodes, however if Hillary wins, she has telegrahed that she will out Bernie, Bernie which means give out more "free" (taxpayer funded) stuff to buy votes. Then she will appoint three far left, radicals to the Supreme Court, which will uphold all her craziness. Good bye USA.
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2016 is the tipping point. Actually, the tipping point may be well past. I don't think Bernie has a shot unless Hillary implodes, however if Hillary wins, she has telegrahed that she will out Bernie, Bernie which means give out more "free" (taxpayer funded) stuff to buy votes. Then she will appoint three far left, radicals to the Supreme Court, which will uphold all her craziness. Good bye USA.
I regret that I have to agree with you completely.
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We are well beyond the tipping point. Number of folks in the workforce at an all-time low, food stamp recipients at an all time high, welfare reform totally gutted, many jobs taken down to 29 hours to be part time. None of that is likely to change. The part that really has us over the edge though is the debt, now approaching $20T with no hope of it ever shrinking. Who was the last politician you ever heard say we're going to wok on paying down the debt? You're lucky to get one to even talk about a balanced budget. As the ACA continues to tank and requires more money from the government to keep it afloat, things can only get worse. To even begin making a dent on the debt you would have to cut discretionary spending in half or raise taxes to increase revenue beyond expenditures and that will only produce more spending since we know politicians will trip over themselves to spend any excess money. It's not going to be pretty.
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2016 is the tipping point. Actually, the tipping point may be well past. I don't think Bernie has a shot unless Hillary implodes, however if Hillary wins, she has telegrahed that she will out Bernie, Bernie which means give out more "free" (taxpayer funded) stuff to buy votes. Then she will appoint three far left, radicals to the Supreme Court, which will uphold all her craziness. Good bye USA.
Yeah, that. :(
And the GOP is a hot mess right now, no clear leaders, and now Trump making an ass of himself mocking a disabled man. The GOP has NO credible contender and Hillary will win by a landslide. >:( Combine all those already on the government teat with those that will be once immigration reform is passed, and I don't think the GOP will remain a relevant party. Just not enough voters to ever win again. Game over.
Yeah, maybe a little doom and gloom, but probably not far from what will happen.
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We're falling down a slippery slope. I don't see any way to change the current wave of progression.
Well, yes, I do. It involves rigorous changes in education and an elimination of the sense that everybody needs to feel equal.
I'm just trying to keep to myself and enjoy what I can, while I can.
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We're falling down a slippery slope. I don't see any way to change the current wave of progression.
Well, yes, I do. It involves rigorous changes in education and an elimination of the sense that everybody needs to feel equal.
I'm just trying to keep to myself and enjoy what I can, while I can.
Kirk, it is folks like you I feel sorry about. Being much older, it will not affect me near as much as it will you and a potential family you may start. I feel bad for for my sons and their families.
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I'm of the opinion that the US as we know/knew it is not going to be salvageable. With that premise what do you believe we will see as signs backing this up. I'll give you one sign I see today. The seeming hatred of the first amendment on college campuses and the use of "free speech zones". Will these college kids bring that with them into the "real world" as they try to assimilate into the work place?
This is not a sign of the fall, it's just a sign of intolerance and bigotry. They will get outed as being haters sooner or later, the question is how much damage they do first.
I think the fall of the United States looks like rioting, looting and civil disorder. That comes after the police give up and the wolves become just a little bolder. Individuals will have to keep close to home to protect their stuff, commerce breaks down and then the dollar collapses. There isn't a world bank big enough to bail us out if it happens.
That isn't a certainty, but I believe it will be economic, not political.
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[This is not a sign of the fall, it's just a sign of intolerance and bigotry. They will get outed as being haters sooner or later, the question is how much damage they do first.
I think the fall of the United States looks like rioting, looting and civil disorder. That comes after the police give up and the wolves become just a little bolder. Individuals will have to keep close to home to protect their stuff, commerce breaks down and then the dollar collapses. There isn't a world bank big enough to bail us out if it happens.
That isn't a certainty, but I believe it will be economic, not political.
I also think it will be largely economic, but with civil/political undertones. Just wait until the power grid fails, or is sabotaged. We will have a total breakdown of society within two weeks.
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It won't take two weeks. The snowflakes and the lunatics will band together to pillage everything that they never worked for, and call it social justice.
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The downfall will be when states and regions begin seceding. I will happen, just not in our lifetimes. America is still the richest and greatest nation on Earth.
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It won't take two weeks. The snowflakes and the lunatics will band together to pillage everything that they never worked for, and call it social justice.
If you consider the helplessness of people during Katrina, I'm not sure the snowflakes will be anything but cannon fodder.
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Wall Street has been on an unprecedented artificially inflated bull run for nearing six years. Companies and banks are not reflecting true competitive open market valuations. They have been 'shored up' by QE and ZIRP policies.
The next Great stock market correction aka liquidity crunch is going to catch people by surprise (although it shouldn't) and throw this country into an instant depression of unseen proportions. Foreign countries will call their notes in an attempt to subterfuge and cripple our great nation even more. The derivatives market will implode and take every nation on earth with us. Hunger and civil unrest will follow, possibly martial law, war, civil war, and the end of our great experiment as we know it. A dictator will arise. Most likely a ruthless one.
Bullets, beans, gold and silver might save you a seat at the table, but that's speculitive.
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We're falling down a slippery slope. I don't see any way to change the current wave of progression.
Well, yes, I do. It involves rigorous changes in education and an elimination of the sense that everybody needs to feel equal.
I'm just trying to keep to myself and enjoy what I can, while I can.
California seems to be at the forefront of stupidity, and now seems to want to hand out High School diplomas without regard as to qualifications.
I believe the federal government will go bankrupt, and then go away like the USSR.
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The fall of the United States comes about because of a failure of the law, it is a moral failure. The country is a Republic, a country ruled by law. When everyone quits caring about the legal part in favor of what is good for them personally, then the law is gone and the Republic is gone. We are nearly there.
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I think we are witnessing the beginning of the downfall right now with a Trump/Clinton face off in November. Either one wins and we're screwed.
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I think we are witnessing the beginning of the downfall right now with a Trump/Clinton face off in November. Either one wins and we're screwed.
I don't think we are necessarily screwed with Trump. We are DEFINITELY screwed with Hillary.
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2016 is the tipping point. Actually, the tipping point may be well past. I don't think Bernie has a shot unless Hillary implodes, however if Hillary wins, she has telegrahed that she will out Bernie, Bernie which means give out more "free" (taxpayer funded) stuff to buy votes. Then she will appoint three far left, radicals to the Supreme Court, which will uphold all her craziness. Good bye USA.
Nailed it.
I happen to believe the tipping point is behind us, but if that oxygen-wasting, lying, pantsuit wearing idiot is elected, the end will happen quickly, and may be in the form of a civil unrest/war. Maybe getting it over is not all bad. The only way to get rid of the enormous government bureaucracy is to destroy it completely by removing all funding for an extended period of time.
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I don't think we are necessarily screwed with Trump. We are DEFINITELY screwed with Hillary.
A difference of opinion I guess. I believe we are definitely screwed with either. At least with Hillary, we can predict how we'll be screwed. With Trump, who the hell knows what he'll do?? The only thing I can say for certain about him, is he will be a national embarrassment and make it awkward to travel overseas.
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If a Hillary win becomes inevitable, every Republican owes it to vote R in every congressional, senatorial and gubernatorial race.
For obvious reasons.
And we shall survive.
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2016 is the tipping point. Actually, the tipping point may be well past. I don't think Bernie has a shot unless Hillary implodes, however if Hillary wins, she has telegrahed that she will out Bernie, Bernie which means give out more "free" (taxpayer funded) stuff to buy votes. Then she will appoint three far left, radicals to the Supreme Court, which will uphold all her craziness. Good bye USA.
The probability is slim that 2016 is this country's tipping point. When folks say "this time it's different", they're usually wrong. If Hillary wins, it's not the end, it's just not what you want. I'll feel the same way if Trump wins (heaven forbid).
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The probability is slim that 2016 is this country's tipping point. When folks say "this time it's different", they're usually wrong. If Hillary wins, it's not the end, it's just not what you want. I'll feel the same way if Trump wins (heaven forbid).
if hillary gets the DNC nomination, will you be voting for her?
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I haven't decided. I am completely underwhelmed with all of the choices on both sides. I think I could have voted for Rand Paul, but...
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I haven't decided. I am completely underwhelmed with all of the choices on both sides. I think I could have voted for Rand Paul, but...
why would you even consider voting for hillary given that she broke the law with her private email server exposing classified information?
If you or I had done that, we'd be in jail already.
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I really dislike Hillary Clinton, for a wide variety of reasons.
But if it was Hillary vs. Trump, I'd hold my nose and vote for Hillary.
I think the expression is, "The devil we know".
The sleaze level is high with this one, but I think we know what we're getting and could take rational, deliberate steps to ameliorate the damage she could do.
Trump is too much of a wild card. The very idea of "taking out" family members of terrorists, and expecting the military to just blindly follow his orders, is just terrifying. And to broaden the scope of who can be tortured and how reeks of a slippery slope, taking us back to the dark days of rubber hose beatings in the back of the police station.
But don't put me in a position of defending Hillary - I won't.
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I really dislike Hillary Clinton, for a wide variety of reasons.
But if it was Hillary vs. Trump, I'd hold my nose and vote for Hillary.
I think the expression is, "The devil we know".
The sleaze level is high with this one, but I think we know what we're getting and could take rational, deliberate steps to ameliorate the damage she could do.
Trump is too much of a wild card. The very idea of "taking out" family members of terrorists, and expecting the military to just blindly follow his orders, is just terrifying. And to broaden the scope of who can be tortured and how reeks of a slippery slope, taking us back to the dark days of rubber hose beatings in the back of the police station.
But don't put me in a position of defending Hillary - I won't.
So you would vote for an admitted communist (by her policies), and known felon/liar, over a businessman that understand the economy. Great. ::)
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So you would vote for an admitted communist (by her policies), and known felon/liar, over a businessman that understand the economy. Great. ::)
Let me try this again...
"But don't put me in a position of defending Hillary - I won't."
Is there a way to rephrase that to make it any clearer?
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Let me try this again...
"But don't put me in a position of defending Hillary - I won't."
Is there a way to rephrase that to make it any clearer?
That doesn't cut it. You won't defend someone in which you'd vote for President? By voting for them you are supporting them.
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That doesn't cut it. You won't defend someone in which you'd vote for President? By voting for them you are supporting them.
(http://www.rentokil.co.uk/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/lesser_of_two_weevils.jpg)
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(http://www.rentokil.co.uk/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/lesser_of_two_weevils.jpg)
Weak....
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^^^^Great Russell Crow line from "Master, and Commander." You get a pass. ;D
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What will the downfall of the US look like?
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cc0GH_sWAAA2fR2.jpg)
Seig Heil!
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I really dislike Hillary Clinton, for a wide variety of reasons.
But if it was Hillary vs. Trump, I'd hold my nose and vote for Hillary.
I think the expression is, "The devil we know".
I think in my case I would simply write in who I really wanted and not vote for either Trump, or Hillary.
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I think in my case I would simply write in who I really wanted and not vote for either Trump, or Hillary.
Valid viewpoint. I'm on the fence here between idealism and pragmatism.
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Valid viewpoint. I'm on the fence here between idealism and pragmatism.
I'm sure I will be too come November. :(
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If either Trump or Clinton win, America will go on. Heck, you all said civilization was going to implode because of the election of Obama, and we're still here. I suspect if Trump is elected we'll have another period of relative government inactivity, the D's will hate him as will most of the R's. Hillary might actually be able to fix Congress, if she has Bill whispering in her ear (and she actually listens). She is a slim, but a very capable one.
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If either Trump or Clinton win, America will go on. Heck, you all said civilization was going to implode because of the election of Obama, and we're still here. I suspect if Trump is elected we'll have another period of relative government inactivity, the D's will hate him as will most of the R's. Hillary might actually be able to fix Congress, if she has Bill whispering in her ear (and she actually listens). She is a slimo, but a very capable one.
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She is a slim, but a very capable one.
Slim?
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Slim?
I'd like to buy a vowel, please!
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Hillary might actually be able to fix Congress, if she has Bill whispering in her ear (and she actually listens). She is a slim, but a very capable one.
Are you on drugs?
(with apologies to Judge Chamberlain Haller)
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If either Trump or Clinton win, America will go on. Heck, you all said civilization was going to implode because of the election of Obama, and we're still here. I suspect if Trump is elected we'll have another period of relative government inactivity, the D's will hate him as will most of the R's. Hillary might actually be able to fix Congress, if she has Bill whispering in her ear (and she actually listens). She is a slim, but a very capable one.
Agreed. It will be another four years of stalemate and stagnation. However, the SCOTUS and who is appointed to it is very important to me. I believe Clinton and Trump would probably pick some of the same people. One would be grating and irritating as a president and the other would be embarrassing and irritating as president. Poor choices for America, but it seems that what is either available, or what the people demand.
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Poor choices for America, but it seems that what is either available, or what the people demand.
What the puppet masters demand.
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I haven't decided. I am completely underwhelmed with all of the choices on both sides. I think I could have voted for Rand Paul, but...
Yup, Rand was my 1st choice, and likely a guy who might have been able to make some big strides in turning the country around. However, he just isn't a showy politician and people want headlines and absurd talking points.
I really wish R/D voters would get so disgusted with the idea of voting for Trump or Clinton and rally behind a 3rd party candidate, maybe like a Gary Johnson or similar.
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