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Title: Trump is done
Post by: Anthony on October 07, 2016, 06:21:47 PM
A video was revealed today of Trump speaking in vulgar, and lewd terms about women.  Yes, Bill Clinton can have countless affairs prior to and DURING his Presidency, then lying about it, and Hillary enabling him.  However, the Clintons have the media on their side.  Trump does it.  This will be the main story up until the election. 

I think this will kill the Trump campaign, which means we are screwed too. 
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on October 07, 2016, 06:48:25 PM
I guess this means the republicans win the race to the bottom.

But, maybe not.  Is it valid to win when the republican candidate is actually a democrat?

Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: JeffDG on October 07, 2016, 06:50:54 PM
Totally unexpected.  If only people had been warned that he was an incredibly poor candidate, it's sad really.


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Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: bflynn on October 07, 2016, 06:55:30 PM
Hillary could still be proven to have Parkinson's but that's a long shot.

If only someone had said in the beginning that Trump was too public of a figure with too much baggage to be electable.  Gosh, that would have been swell.
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: Anthony on October 07, 2016, 07:02:38 PM
Here's the link.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/10/07/leaked-tape-captures-trump-in-crude-rant-with-tv-host.html

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On the tape, Trump bragged about kissing and groping women while chatting with "Access Hollywood" host Billy Bush. The real estate developer and reality TV star-turned-GOP presidential candidate also used a vulgar anatomical term and discussed trying to have sex with an unidentified, married woman.
“I moved on her and I failed," Trump says. "I’ll admit it ... She was married ... And I moved on her very heavily. In fact, I took her out furniture shopping. She wanted to get some furniture. I said, ‘I’ll show you where they have some nice furniture.’”

This will be the big story, not Hillary's recent email discovery (Wikileak), and speech to a foreign bank. 
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on October 07, 2016, 07:09:50 PM
Some pretty hefty email shit starting to hit now on Hillary.
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: Lucifer on October 07, 2016, 07:17:53 PM
Some pretty heft email shit starting to hit now on Hillary.

Yep.  Interesting this tape from 11 years ago "surfaces" on the same day as these emails came out.  This tells me that camp Clinton knows there is some real nasty email stuff getting ready to hit.
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: JeffDG on October 07, 2016, 07:28:55 PM
Yep.  Interesting this tape from 11 years ago "surfaces" on the same day as these emails came out.  This tells me that camp Clinton knows there is some real nasty email stuff getting ready to hit.
So glad you Trumpkins insisted on nominating a NY Democrat for the Republican Party who has entire mansions full of skeletons, let alone a closet.  Well done!
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: Anthony on October 07, 2016, 07:39:21 PM
So glad you Trumpkins insisted on nominating a NY Democrat for the Republican Party who has entire mansions full of skeletons, let alone a closet.  Well done!

And Hillary, and Bill don't have tons of skeletons?  They all have skeletons.  I am  still voting for Trump because if Hillary wins western civilization as we know it is ASSURED to be gone. 
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: JeffDG on October 07, 2016, 07:51:20 PM
And Hillary, and Bill don't have tons of skeletons?  They all have skeletons.  I am  still voting for Trump because if Hillary wins western civilization as we know it is ASSURED to be gone.
You'd be better off focusing your energies on the Senate, but if you can vote for someone as unprincipled and despicable as Donnie, well, I'm sorry.
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: Lucifer on October 07, 2016, 07:51:35 PM
Actually what has possibly happened, in the Clinton Campaign as they started to panic over the emails, they may have shot their wad with the tape release.

Seems to me they were holding this in case more embarrassing information came out to use as a diversion.

While the new emails are certainly embarrassing and are starting to show the real Hillary and expose more of her lies, it's my belief there is even more out there. 

Between Wikileaks, DC Leaks and the Russians I think it's just a matter of time, and timing is everything.
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: Anthony on October 07, 2016, 08:03:56 PM
Well I'm not voting for Communist Hillary, crazy Gary Johnson, nor Communist Jill Stein, and I'm certainly not writing in Bernie, or Liawatha.  So who is left?
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: Shawn on October 07, 2016, 09:05:58 PM
The establishment machine is impressive to preserve their power.
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: nddons on October 07, 2016, 09:11:40 PM
A video was revealed today of Trump speaking in vulgar, and lewd terms about women.  Yes, Bill Clinton can have countless affairs prior to and DURING his Presidency, then lying about it, and Hillary enabling him.  However, the Clintons have the media on their side.  Trump does it.  This will be the main story up until the election. 

I think this will kill the Trump campaign, which means we are screwed too.
Done?  Sure, it he defended a man who raped a 12 year old, and said that she asked for it because she fantasize about older men. 

Otherwise, no.
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on October 07, 2016, 09:55:39 PM
People are un-endorsing him, donors are un-donoring, demands being made for new candidate.

http://www.redstate.com

Can't say I am surprised.
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: Anthony on October 07, 2016, 09:58:27 PM
People are un-endorsing him, donors are un-donoring, demands being made for new candidate.

http://www.redstate.com

Can't say I am surprised.

They should make Pence the head of the ticket, and Scott Walker VP.
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on October 07, 2016, 10:00:35 PM
They should make Pence the head of the ticket, and Paul Walker VP.
Scott Walker?
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on October 07, 2016, 10:02:02 PM
Pence is tainted now.
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: Anthony on October 07, 2016, 10:05:43 PM
Scott Walker?

Yes, thanks.  I changed it!  I don't think Pence is tainted. 
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: bflynn on October 08, 2016, 12:17:00 AM
But there is no mechanism to do that

Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: WildEye on October 08, 2016, 12:30:03 AM
Sorry but DJT is an humiliation to the party.  Pence is not far behind for ignoring a lot of the crazy stuff.

Tell Jeb he has got the job and move on.
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on October 08, 2016, 04:30:59 AM
It is interesting to hear Hillary say she is horrified by the audio.  Isn't that just sweet considering how Bill has treated women over the years and the things he has done.
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on October 08, 2016, 04:34:36 AM
I guess we are seeing what it takes to horrify the republicans

We still haven't seen what it takes to horrify the democrats.

Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: JeffDG on October 08, 2016, 05:22:24 AM
But there is no mechanism to do that
Yep.  The Trumpkins have made this mess, it's their fault, they need to take the blame for the consequences.
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: nddons on October 08, 2016, 06:18:09 AM
I guess we are seeing what it takes to horrify the republicans

We still haven't seen what it takes to horrify the democrats.
Quote of the day.

And exactly right.
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: Lucifer on October 08, 2016, 06:21:40 AM
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/trump-apologizes-for-vulgar-comments-my-travels-around-the-country-have-changed-me/article/2603992

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Donald Trump offered an apology to Americans early Saturday morning after comments he made in 2005 degrading women were made public.

"I've never said that I'm a perfect person, nor pretended to be someone that I'm not. I've said and done things I regret and the words released today on this more than a decade old video are one of them. Anyone who knows me knows these words don't reflect who I am. I said it, I was wrong and I apologize," Trump said.

"I've traveled the country talking about change for America but my travels have also changed me. I've spent time with grieving mothers who have spent lost their children, laid off workers whose jobs have gone to other countries and people from all walks of life who just want a better future. I have gotten to know the great people of our country and I've been humbled by the faith they've placed in me.

"I pledge to be a better man tomorrow and will never ever let you down. Let's be honest. We're living in the real world. This is nothing more than a distraction from the important issues we're facing today. We are losing our jobs, we're less safe than we were eight years ago and Washington is totally broken. Hillary Clinton and her kind have run our country into the ground. I've said some foolish things but there's a big difference between the words and actions of other people. Bill Clinton has actually abused women and Hillary has bullied, attacked, shamed and intimidated his victims. We will discuss this more in the coming days. See you at the debate on Sunday," Trump concluded.

 Trump has come out and apologized.   He has taken responsibility for his actions.

 And the Clintons?  Has Hillary apologized for her remarks calling Americans "deplorables" and bad mouthing the Sanders supporters?  Has Hillary apologized for lying to Americans about her role in Benghazi and letting Americans die for political expediency?  Has Hillary apologized for lying to Americans about her mishandling of information and how she and her staff destroyed evidence in a criminal investigation?   Has Hillary apologized for her treatment of the victims of Bill Clinton's rapes?  Has Hillary apologized to Monica Lewinsky for her remarks made about her?  Has Hillary apologized to the mothers of the Benghazi victims that she called liars and other cruel names?

 If you think things are bad now, with a rogue president and his party using the government and the media to accomplish their punishments of anyone daring to disagree or stand up to them, this should be a wake up call.  Once Hillary gets into office she will be BHO on steroids in using her position to punish anyone who dares hold her or her criminal foundation accountable.  You are witnessing the lengths the democrats and the media will go to destroy anyone who stands in their way.  They are desperate to hold and increase their power base.
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: nddons on October 08, 2016, 07:39:49 AM
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/trump-apologizes-for-vulgar-comments-my-travels-around-the-country-have-changed-me/article/2603992

 Trump has come out and apologized.   He has taken responsibility for his actions.

 And the Clintons?  Has Hillary apologized for her remarks calling Americans "deplorables" and bad mouthing the Sanders supporters?  Has Hillary apologized for lying to Americans about her role in Benghazi and letting Americans die for political expediency?  Has Hillary apologized for lying to Americans about her mishandling of information and how she and her staff destroyed evidence in a criminal investigation?   Has Hillary apologized for her treatment of the victims of Bill Clinton's rapes?  Has Hillary apologized to Monica Lewinsky for her remarks made about her?  Has Hillary apologized to the mothers of the Benghazi victims that she called liars and other cruel names?

 If you think things are bad now, with a rogue president and his party using the government and the media to accomplish their punishments of anyone daring to disagree or stand up to them, this should be a wake up call.  Once Hillary gets into office she will be BHO on steroids in using her position to punish anyone who dares hold her or her criminal foundation accountable.  You are witnessing the lengths the democrats and the media will go to destroy anyone who stands in their way.  They are desperate to hold and increase their power base.
That was a perfect response from Trump.
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: nddons on October 08, 2016, 07:40:09 AM
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Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: Lucifer on October 08, 2016, 07:49:17 AM
That was a perfect response from Trump.

Agreed.
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: Username on October 08, 2016, 08:57:37 AM
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On the tape, Trump bragged about kissing and groping women while chatting with "Access Hollywood" host Billy Bush.

Well there it is.  Clearly Bush's fault.  That excuse worked for Obama for 7 years.
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: JeffDG on October 08, 2016, 09:02:17 AM
Agreed.
I'm absolutely shocked you think your Orange God's response was perfect.
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on October 08, 2016, 09:02:40 AM
http://blog.dilbert.com/post/151504993671/why-does-this-happen-on-my-vacation-the-trump
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: JeffDG on October 08, 2016, 09:21:16 AM
So for those of you saying "THE SUPREME COURT"...why aren't you demanding Trump withdraw and let Pense take over?
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: Lucifer on October 08, 2016, 09:25:35 AM
http://blog.dilbert.com/post/151504993671/why-does-this-happen-on-my-vacation-the-trump

Yep.  Hillary has opened the proverbial Pandora's Box.
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: Number7 on October 08, 2016, 09:28:41 AM
Mayby this is the end and maybe it isn't. The electorate seems pretty fed up with status quo, and lets face it, Paul Ryan and the middle of the road Republicans are perfectly happy to elect Hilary as long as the status quo isn't upset. People - well, intelligent adults -in general don't reflect the values of the political class.
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: Lucifer on October 08, 2016, 09:30:41 AM
Where's the outrage?

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/10/flashback-video-presidents-colorful-including-obamas-btch-nigga-buy-damn-fries/
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: Number7 on October 08, 2016, 09:36:46 AM
It is amazing to me how fast the media fall for the line, "Donald Trump SAID something mean!"
What a pathetic bunch of pussies in the media and of course, the ENTIRE democrat party.
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: Lucifer on October 08, 2016, 09:40:37 AM

Where is the outrage?


Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: Rush on October 08, 2016, 09:41:24 AM
I listened to that whole thing.  If males DON'T behave like that the human species is done for.  This is entirely 100% normal male homo sapiens sapiens behavior. Trump has nothing to apologize for. Any males shocked are liars or have been so weakened by all the soy in our food supply or other sources of osmotic estrogen dosing (feminism in the media, trying to date today's entitlement brats of young females) that they truly believe this horseshit that men should not talk this way about women.  If anything is natural and evolutionary, this male behavior is. All Trump proved here is he is a virile male, or at least talks like one.

Any females shocked at this are either so young that they've swallowed hook line and sinker today's politically correct climate that all males are pedophiles and potential rapists, or are aged feminists who would like the male gender to be reduced to hobbled sperm donors and bank accounts, nothing more.  Anything hinting of testosterone is contemptible.  THAT is what the reaction to this video is proving: That this society is so anti-male today with the rotten fruits of bitter feminism and the most anti-nature ideology ever cooked up by man (leftism) that any display of normal male ardor can now be weaponized against any male not approved by the elite leftist machine.
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: JeffDG on October 08, 2016, 09:44:09 AM
So, Rush, you believe that it is "entirely 100% normal male homo sapiens sapiens behavior" to forcibly commit sex acts on women without their consent?


If you truly believe that, you may be male, but you're not a man.
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: Anthony on October 08, 2016, 09:46:25 AM
So, Rush, you believe that it is "entirely 100% normal male homo sapiens sapiens behavior" to forcibly commit sex acts on women without their consent?


If you truly believe that, you may be male, but you're not a man.

I can assure you Rush is all woman. 

My take on this is that it is also about being entitled if you are rich and/or a celebrity like Trump.  However, the Clintons are some of the most entitled people that ever lived, and they have actually done a lot of things to prove it, not just talk. 
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: JeffDG on October 08, 2016, 09:49:53 AM
I can assure you Rush is all woman. 

My take on this is that it is also about being entitled if you are rich and/or a celebrity like Trump.  However, the Clintons are some of the most entitled people that ever lived, and they have actually done a lot of things to prove it, not just talk.
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/440859/trumps-piggishness-surprises-beguiled


Amazing how people can't seem to say "Trump fucked up" without having to talk about Clinton.


Just because Hillary is a horrible person is not a reason to vote for another horrible person.
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: Anthony on October 08, 2016, 09:56:51 AM
Trump efffed up.  He sucks as a candidate.  OK?
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: JeffDG on October 08, 2016, 10:00:50 AM
Trump efffed up.  He sucks as a candidate.  OK?
Fair enough.


Since you've said you're still voting for him, NEVER, EVER criticize a politician in the future because of character, because your vote demonstrates that it does not matter to you.
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: Anthony on October 08, 2016, 10:08:19 AM
Fair enough.


Since you've said you're still voting for him, NEVER, EVER criticize a politician in the future because of character, because your vote demonstrates that it does not matter to you.

If he is still the candidate, I will still vote for him strictly to preserve the second amendment.

And don't tell me what to do.  I don't answer to you.
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: JeffDG on October 08, 2016, 10:09:11 AM
If he is still the candidate, I will still vote for him strictly to preserve the second amendment.

And don't tell me what to do.  I don't answer to you.
So, character does not matter to you.  Your actions speak louder than your words.
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: Anthony on October 08, 2016, 10:33:51 AM
So, character does not matter to you.  Your actions speak louder than your words.

LOL!  Tell me which of any of the candidates running has "character".  You are too funny, really.
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: JeffDG on October 08, 2016, 10:34:55 AM
LOL!  Tell me which of any of the candidates running has "character".  You are too funny, really.
Compared to Donnie, all of them.

That's fine, you have the right to be a hypocrite, and I'll call you on it.
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: Lucifer on October 08, 2016, 10:36:59 AM
LOL!  Tell me which of any of the candidates running has "character".  You are too funny, really.

Jeff has nothing to add to the conversation, as usual. 

He's an asshat, period.
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: JeffDG on October 08, 2016, 10:40:10 AM
Jeff has nothing to add to the conversation, as usual. 

He's an asshat, period.
The master of projection speaks again.

Thanks for giving us a horrible nominee for President. You Trumpkins own this.
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: Kristin on October 08, 2016, 10:51:44 AM
If males DON'T behave like that the human species is done for.

We have evolved, biologically and socially.  You however seemed to have somehow missed that process.  Rape may have been a factor in early evolution but it is a crime now.  Welcome to the 21st Century.
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on October 08, 2016, 10:52:25 AM
Compared to Donnie, all of them.


what a load of happy horse manure.

None of them have character.  Even with the bar set that low.


Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: Kristin on October 08, 2016, 10:56:21 AM
The master of projection speaks again.

Thanks for giving us a horrible nominee for President. You Trumpkins own this.

Hillary wouldn't have had a chance if the low-information, star-struck voters didn't stick the GOP with reality TV star who is not does not support family-values, is not a practicing Christian, and is not a Republican.
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: Lucifer on October 08, 2016, 10:57:23 AM
We have evolved, biologically and socially.  You however seemed to have somehow missed that process.  Rape may have been a factor in early evolution but it is a crime now.  Welcome to the 21st Century.

Thanks for acknowledging that!

Now, may we discuss Bill Clinton's various rapes and how his wife (Hillary) worked hard to disgrace and destroy the victims credibility?  Can we discuss how Bill had to admit, under oath, having various affairs and how he had to pay one of his victims over $800,000?   Can we now discuss everything his wife said about these victims?

 Remember, the tape of Trump was bravado bragging without any evidence that he actually did any of this, yet the Clintons have evidence after evidence of their crimes against women.
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: Anthony on October 08, 2016, 11:01:48 AM
Compared to Donnie, all of them.

That's fine, you have the right to be a hypocrite, and I'll call you on it.

So Hillary has more character than Trump?  Really?  Then you are delusional. 

Hillary has DONE THINGS.  Trump has SAID THINGS.  Duh Jeff. 
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: JeffDG on October 08, 2016, 11:03:05 AM
So Hillary has more character than Trump?  Really?  Then you are delusional.
Well, I've not heard her claiming the right to sexually assault people.  Too bad I can't say that about Trump.
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: Anthony on October 08, 2016, 11:05:12 AM
Well, I've not heard her claiming the right to sexually assault people.  Too bad I can't say that about Trump.

She publicly defended RAPE for Gods sake.
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: Kristin on October 08, 2016, 11:05:43 AM
Thanks for acknowledging that!

Now, may we discuss Bill Clinton's various rapes and how his wife (Hillary) worked hard to disgrace and destroy the victims credibility?  Can we discuss how Bill had to admit, under oath, having various affairs and how he had to pay one of his victims over $800,000?   Can we now discuss everything his wife said about these victims?

 Remember, the tape of Trump was bravado bragging without any evidence that he actually did any of this, yet the Clintons have evidence after evidence of their crimes against women.

I was commenting on Rush.  But now that you bring it up, aside from the obvious factual errors with respect to what Billy Bob actually did, you remind us that Billy Bob is a pig too.  This is not exactly breaking news.  Billy Bob is not running for president.

I am interested in your implied contention that a wife is somehow despicable for sticking up for your husband and staying the the marriage.  Do you apply that throughout your social circle and church, or is Hillary just a special case that somehow justifies hypocrisy.
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: JeffDG on October 08, 2016, 11:05:46 AM
She publicly defended RAPE for Gods sake.
Did she claim she had the right to rape people?
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: Anthony on October 08, 2016, 11:08:45 AM
We have evolved, biologically and socially.  You however seemed to have somehow missed that process.  Rape may have been a factor in early evolution but it is a crime now.  Welcome to the 21st Century.

Evolved in the wrong way when men are demonized and forced by female dominated society to be feminized.  I don't have to like the way society is going.  Western Civilization is dying.  Men are not the same as women!
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: Kristin on October 08, 2016, 11:10:20 AM
She publicly defended RAPE for Gods sake.

So you support only parts of the Constitution, like the 2nd Amendment, but not that due process, fair trial stuff?  Clinton was tasked with defending him.  She didn't volunteer for the job, the Court pulled in into it.

It is the Alt-Right's low information, hypocritical voters who are ensuring a Clinton victory.  I will blame them with the SCOTUS goes hard left.  I will blame them when I have to have a dispensation from the federal government to buy ammunition.
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: Kristin on October 08, 2016, 11:13:19 AM
Evolved in the wrong way when men are demonized and forced by female dominated society to be feminized.  I don't have to like the way society is going.  Western Civilization is dying.  Men are not the same as women!

In your view then western civilization has been dying before it started as sexual assault has been illegal for centuries.  Fortunately, most men don't feel emasculated because they are not free to rape any female to whom they are attracted.
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: Anthony on October 08, 2016, 11:21:22 AM
In your view then western civilization has been dying before it started as sexual assault has been illegal for centuries.  Fortunately, most men don't feel emasculated because they are not free to rape any female to whom they are attracted.

Of course resort to the extreme.  I am not advocating sexual assault, nor rape, but locker room banter (TALK) is not action like Bill Clinton did, which Hillary advocated, and supported. 
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: Lucifer on October 08, 2016, 11:23:14 AM
I was commenting on Rush.  But now that you bring it up, aside from the obvious factual errors with respect to what Billy Bob actually did, you remind us that Billy Bob is a pig too.  This is not exactly breaking news.  Billy Bob is not running for president.

I am interested in your implied contention that a wife is somehow despicable for sticking up for your husband and staying the the marriage.  Do you apply that throughout your social circle and church, or is Hillary just a special case that somehow justifies hypocrisy.

Defending her husband?  Are you serious?   Hillary worked diligently to smear and discredit these women, to destroy their characters, their reputation because they dared step forward.  Remember Hillary saying "All abused women deserve to be heard?"   What about Bill's victims?   Don't they have the right to be heard?  Right now Juanita Brodereck is living in fear for having spoke out.  And you're ok with that?

Wow.
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on October 08, 2016, 11:35:49 AM
Trump just needs to make clear that 11 years ago he was still a Democrat.  :)
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: JeffDG on October 08, 2016, 11:41:09 AM
Evolved in the wrong way when men are demonized and forced by female dominated society to be feminized.  I don't have to like the way society is going.  Western Civilization is dying.  Men are not the same as women!
So, you support "men" who think they have the right to sexually assault women?  Trump's your guy then!
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: JeffDG on October 08, 2016, 11:42:23 AM
Of course resort to the extreme.  I am not advocating sexual assault, nor rape, but locker room banter (TALK) is not action like Bill Clinton did, which Hillary advocated, and supported.
Trump was advocating for his right to sexually assault, or rape, any woman to whom he was attracted.
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: JeffDG on October 08, 2016, 11:42:35 AM
Trump just needs to make clear that 11 years ago he was still a Democrat.  :)
11 minutes ago too.
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: PaulS on October 08, 2016, 12:04:13 PM
5 pages of replies, haven't read most of them to be honest with you, but a liberal eggs Trump on in locker room talk and secretly records it, then releases it, about as slimey as you can get.  As far as Trump's words, I saw nothing advocating rape, I do see locker room machismo that most likely is not true, but may be. If it is true, then there are women who feel it is acceptable behavior and per most progressive mantra, who are we to judge?  This is not the way I would tell my son to behave, nor would I want my daughters accepting this as appropriate behavior. At the end of the day this is mild compared to some of the crap I've heard guys use to pick up women.

If you want to hear a story of rape, read Juanita Broaddrick's account.
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on October 08, 2016, 12:10:17 PM
Broaddrick's account is chilling, I read it.

Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: JeffDG on October 08, 2016, 12:32:59 PM
Broaddrick's account is chilling, I read it.
And, if Bill Clinton were running for office it would be far more relevant.
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: Anthony on October 08, 2016, 12:38:01 PM
And, if Bill Clinton were running for office it would be far more relevant.

You are just a deflecting, delusional person.  Hillary laughed about the rape of a 12 year old, and tried to cover up all of Bill's rapes, and affairs, then when he was outed, she demonized the women.  So Hillary is complicit in rapes, sexual assaults, and infidelity.  Get a clue. 
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: nddons on October 08, 2016, 12:47:36 PM
I'm absolutely shocked you think your Orange God's response was perfect.
He's not my Orange God, but his response is what it should be, and we should now talk about shit that matters, instead of 11 year old shit that doesn't.
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: Kristin on October 08, 2016, 12:49:35 PM
Defending her husband?  Are you serious?   Hillary worked diligently to smear and discredit these women, to destroy their characters, their reputation because they dared step forward.
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These women apparently were involved in a consensual relationship with Billy Bob.  They got dumped, as typically happens and political hay was made of the whole thing.  If anyone was the victim, if anyone, it was probably Hillary, but since she knew Billy Bob was a philanderer, she signed on.

 
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Remember Hillary saying "All abused women deserve to be heard?"   What about Bill's victims?   Don't they have the right to be heard?


Other than falling for Billy Bob's charms, how were they a victim?

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Right now Juanita Brodereck is living in fear for having spoke out.  And you're ok with that?

Brodereck's internal psychology doesn't much interest me as there is no evidence that she is in any physical danger.

Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: Kristin on October 08, 2016, 12:51:38 PM
Of course resort to the extreme.  I am not advocating sexual assault, nor rape, but locker room banter (TALK) is not action like Bill Clinton did, which Hillary advocated, and supported.

It doesn't bother you that this is coming from a three time married 60 y/o adolescent who want to represent our country to the rest of the world?  Wow!

What action did Billy Bob take which Hillary advocated and supported?
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: nddons on October 08, 2016, 12:51:44 PM
I listened to that whole thing.  If males DON'T behave like that the human species is done for.  This is entirely 100% normal male homo sapiens sapiens behavior. Trump has nothing to apologize for. Any males shocked are liars or have been so weakened by all the soy in our food supply or other sources of osmotic estrogen dosing (feminism in the media, trying to date today's entitlement brats of young females) that they truly believe this horseshit that men should not talk this way about women.  If anything is natural and evolutionary, this male behavior is. All Trump proved here is he is a virile male, or at least talks like one.

Any females shocked at this are either so young that they've swallowed hook line and sinker today's politically correct climate that all males are pedophiles and potential rapists, or are aged feminists who would like the male gender to be reduced to hobbled sperm donors and bank accounts, nothing more.  Anything hinting of testosterone is contemptible.  THAT is what the reaction to this video is proving: That this society is so anti-male today with the rotten fruits of bitter feminism and the most anti-nature ideology ever cooked up by man (leftism) that any display of normal male ardor can now be weaponized against any male not approved by the elite leftist machine.

Well said, Rush.  My wife feels the same way. 
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: JeffDG on October 08, 2016, 12:55:22 PM
He's not my Orange God, but his response is what it should be, and we should now talk about shit that matters, instead of 11 year old shit that doesn't.
Character matters.  Anyone supporting Trump today that rejects any candidate in the future because of their moral character is a hypocrite, plain and simple.
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: JeffDG on October 08, 2016, 12:56:21 PM
It doesn't bother you that this is coming from a three time married 60 y/o adolescent who want to represent our country to the rest of the world?  Wow!

What action did Billy Bob take which Hillary advocated and supported?
Hey, did you hear that Hillary went on Howard Stern and told him that he could call Chelsea a "piece of ass"?


No...because that was Trump talking about his daughter.
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: nddons on October 08, 2016, 12:59:57 PM
Fair enough.


Since you've said you're still voting for him, NEVER, EVER criticize a politician in the future because of character, because your vote demonstrates that it does not matter to you.
Now this is getting ridiculous.  I dislike Trump as much as you.  But the future of the country depends on Hillary NOT becoming president.  Since the Constitution REQUIRES that we have a president, one of these two will become POTUS.  That doesn't mean that that I support or endorse or even like any of them.  But I have to vote for one to terminate the chance of the other. 
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: nddons on October 08, 2016, 01:02:32 PM
We have evolved, biologically and socially.  You however seemed to have somehow missed that process.  Rape may have been a factor in early evolution but it is a crime now.  Welcome to the 21st Century.
I missed that.  Did Trump rape someone, just like Bill Clinton?
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: Lucifer on October 08, 2016, 01:06:57 PM


Other than falling for Billy Bob's charms, how were they a victim?

Brodereck's internal psychology doesn't much interest me as there is no evidence that she is in any physical danger.

You are just too delusional.  I pity anyone who uses you as an attorney to represent them, in anything.

Go read Juanita Broaderricks account of how Bill raped her, then come back and try to tell us how she was a jilted lover.
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: JeffDG on October 08, 2016, 01:09:31 PM
I missed that.  Did Trump rape someone, just like Bill Clinton?
Trump claimed the right to sexually assault women because he's famous.


Sorry, if you support that, you can't claim to care about character.
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: JeffDG on October 08, 2016, 01:10:06 PM
Go read Juanita Broaderricks account of how Bill raped her, then come back and try to tell us how she was a jilted lover.
Sorry, when did Bill jump into the race?  I wasn't aware his name was on any ballot.
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: Anthony on October 08, 2016, 01:10:23 PM
I missed that.  Did Trump rape someone, just like Bill Clinton?

The real issue is that Hillary enabled it all, tried to cover it up, then when he was outed did everything she could to smear the victims. 
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: Lucifer on October 08, 2016, 01:14:55 PM
The real issue is that Hillary enabled it all, tried to cover it up, then when he was outed did everything she could to smear the victims.

Yep.   Fun( sad actually) to watch the Hillary supporters like Jeff try to keep deflecting that.
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: JeffDG on October 08, 2016, 01:16:26 PM
Yep.   Fun( sad actually) to watch the Hillary supporters like Jeff try to keep deflecting that.
Funny how Trumpkins keep bringing up their opponent's husband instead of actually talking about all the great things their candidate is doing...oh, yeah, because their candidate is a dipshit.


Never once supported, nor will I support, Hillary, or her donor (Trump)
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: Anthony on October 08, 2016, 01:17:43 PM
Funny how Trumpkins keep bringing up their opponent's husband instead of actually talking about all the great things their candidate is doing...oh, yeah, because their candidate is a dipshit.


Never once supported, nor will I support, Hillary, or her donor (Trump)

You obviously can't read, or are purposely ignoring posts.  W,j,W.
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: Lucifer on October 08, 2016, 01:23:09 PM
You obviously can't read, or are purposely ignoring posts.  W,j,W.

Jeff's only desire in the conversation is to have someone to bully.  Been this way since this board began. He can't speak intellectually on the subject, just resorts to shit flinging like a riled up chimpanzee in a cage to get attention.

 And he's beat the drum for Hillary for so long, but then tries to deny it every time he's caught.  He's a closet liberal. 

 Ignore is a great feature for asshats.
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: bflynn on October 08, 2016, 01:32:52 PM
Trump claimed the right to sexually assault women because he's famous.


Sorry, if you support that, you can't claim to care about character.

And Hillary claims to have the right to disregard Congressional subpeonas because she is famous, something she has done multiple times. She believes that she has the right to lie to the public for the purpose of creating her public image, she believes she is above the law.

Don't try to make claims to character.
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: Lucifer on October 08, 2016, 01:35:03 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/kathleenwilley/status/784803445098242048

https://mobile.twitter.com/atensnut/status/784734493471019008

http://www.theamericanmirror.com/broaddrick-hillarys-actions-speak-louder-trumps-words/
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: JeffDG on October 08, 2016, 01:36:47 PM
And Hillary claims to have the right to disregard Congressional subpeonas because she is famous, something she has done multiple times. She believes that she has the right to lie to the public for the purpose of creating her public image, she believes she is above the law.

Don't try to make claims to character.
If you support Hillary, you have no right to claim character matters.  That said, most of the "character" voters are Trump hypocrites now.  Most Hillary votes don't give two shits about character.
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: Lucifer on October 08, 2016, 02:20:00 PM
Where's the outrage?

Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on October 08, 2016, 02:27:13 PM
Hillary wouldn't have had a chance if the low-information, star-struck voters didn't stick the GOP with reality TV star who is not does not support family-values, is not a practicing Christian, and is not a Republican.

so, you are saying that the 12 million democrats who voted for Trump are low-information, star-struck voters, eh?

ok, but I think you are being generous.

Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: nddons on October 08, 2016, 02:58:52 PM
In your view then western civilization has been dying before it started as sexual assault has been illegal for centuries.  Fortunately, most men don't feel emasculated because they are not free to rape any female to whom they are attracted.
Grow up.  The only one mentioning rape is you.
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: Little Joe on October 08, 2016, 03:05:30 PM
If it wasnt for that damn 19th amendment, this and many other things wouldnt be a problem.


I'm ducking now!
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: JeffDG on October 08, 2016, 03:24:18 PM
Grow up.  The only one mentioning rape is you.
So, how would you describe forcibly grabbing a woman's genitals without consent?
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: Anthony on October 08, 2016, 03:34:14 PM
So, how would you describe forcibly grabbing a woman's genitals without consent?

He talked about it.  How do you know he did it?  Why aren't women coming forward of him doing it?  Hillary on the other hand wants open borders, a global government, and gun bans and gun confiscation, with the 2A being nullified.  She also wants to allow more illegal aliens and the Muslim hoard.  What is worse?

Waiting for the delusional deflection. 
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: JeffDG on October 08, 2016, 03:35:39 PM
He talked about it.  How do you know he did it?  Why aren't women coming forward of him doing it?  Hillary on the other hand wants open borders, a global government, and gun bans and gun confiscation, with the 2A being nullified.  She also wants to allow more illegal aliens and the Muslim hoard.  What is worse?

Waiting for the delusional deflection.
Why don't women come forward?  He's being sued as we speak.

Again, you're comfortable with that, fine.  Just don't ever criticize anyone for their character.
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: Anthony on October 08, 2016, 04:26:15 PM
With Hillary we get:

More man made climate change nonsense
More open borders and illegal aliens
More potential terrorists
Higher taxes
Do nothing, and destructive social engineering
More harmful minority programs
A destructive foreign policy
Australian like gun bans, and confiscation
More Progressive PC stranglehold
Single payer healthcare (think VA)
Three to four far left, radical SCOTUS judges
More divisive programs, and rhetoric about race, gender, religion, economic strata, etc
A terrible economy/terrible fiscal policy
More national debt and deficits
Higher crime rates due to a neutered law enforcement
More companies fleeing the U.S.
And having to listen to that voice and look at her


AND a very bad character. 
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: nddons on October 08, 2016, 04:34:10 PM
So, how would you describe forcibly grabbing a woman's genitals without consent?
Where did he say "forcibly" and where did he say or imply "without consent"? 

Honest to God, Jeff, I thought it was just the left who read into a statement what is not there in order to demonize the right. 
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: JeffDG on October 08, 2016, 04:37:48 PM
Where did he say "forcibly" and where did he say or imply "without consent"? 

Honest to God, Jeff, I thought it was just the left who read into a statement what is not there in order to demonize the right.
What do you call grabbing people's genitals just because you're a star?


Nowhere about asking consent or even implied consent, and "grabbing" is certainly forcible.


The man is talking about raping women, and you shrug it off as no big deal.  I know of no man who thinks that way.  Males may, but men do not.


I guess this kind of attitude is what you get when you nominate a democrat.
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: Lucifer on October 08, 2016, 05:00:00 PM
Where did he say "forcibly" and where did he say or imply "without consent"? 

Honest to God, Jeff, I thought it was just the left who read into a statement what is not there in order to demonize the right.

Jeff is a closet liberal. 
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: JeffDG on October 08, 2016, 05:04:22 PM
Jeff is a closet liberal.
No, a closet liberal would vote for a Hillary donor.
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: JeffDG on October 08, 2016, 05:32:39 PM
Didn't think the RNC chair had the backbone for this, but hey...better to focus resources where they can actually produce a benefit.


http://www.wsj.com/articles/gop-scrambles-to-salvage-election-after-donald-trumps-latest-imbroglio-1475969203
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Republican National Committee Chairman Reince Priebus on Saturday told party officials to redirect funds away from nominee Donald Trump to down-ballot candidates, according to an official informed of the decision. In practical terms, the party will be working to mobilize voters who support GOP House and Senate candidates regardless of their position on the presidential race.
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on October 08, 2016, 05:45:05 PM
So in one of the transcripts of a Hillary speech she said that she has to have a public stance and a private stance.  Let's take the 2A for instance. Public stance is she is for meaningful regulations, while her private stance is quite likely I want ti take all of their fucking guns away.  BTW, she does use language like that.  How about her public stance on TPP is she is against and her private stance is oh hell yeah we're going to pass TPP.  I'll bet with a little imagination you can figure out some of her other private stances.


From some of the comments, none of you have ever worked in truly middle class blue collar jobs of any type. These are the folks that are really behind Trump and I would be willing to bet that many of them speak quite similarly.  Yes, we should be disappointed in his use of the language.  Should we be so disappointed that we are willing to let Hillary win this election?


I've gotten a kick of the responses of both Hillary and Kaine.  Hillary tweeted that it is horrific.  Really, what could be more horrific than what your husband did to those women that he raped and molested and that you worked hard to destroy to save his political career.  Kaine said something about Trump having no business running for President, when he is the running mate of such a vile woman. 


All of the responses from the Evangelical crowd are great too.  I think they've forgotten that God does the judging and not us.  I think it goes something like, "judge not lest yee be judged"  Who among us is without sin? 


I'll not go on, y'all can have fun.
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: nddons on October 08, 2016, 05:51:32 PM
What do you call grabbing people's genitals just because you're a star?


Nowhere about asking consent or even implied consent, and "grabbing" is certainly forcible.


The man is talking about raping women, and you shrug it off as no big deal.  I know of no man who thinks that way.  Males may, but men do not.


I guess this kind of attitude is what you get when you nominate a democrat.

No, he's not.  You're projecting. 
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: bflynn on October 08, 2016, 05:56:16 PM
What do you call grabbing people's genitals just because you're a star?


Nowhere about asking consent or even implied consent, and "grabbing" is certainly forcible.


The man is talking about raping women, and you shrug it off as no big deal.  I know of no man who thinks that way.  Males may, but men do not.


I guess this kind of attitude is what you get when you nominate a democrat.

Bill Clinton?
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: nddons on October 08, 2016, 06:02:02 PM
So in one of the transcripts of a Hillary speech she said that she has to have a public stance and a private stance.  Let's take the 2A for instance. Public stance is she is for meaningful regulations, while her private stance is quite likely I want ti take all of their fucking guns away.  BTW, she does use language like that.  How about her public stance on TPP is she is against and her private stance is oh hell yeah we're going to pass TPP.  I'll bet with a little imagination you can figure out some of her other private stances.


From some of the comments, none of you have ever worked in truly middle class blue collar jobs of any type. These are the folks that are really behind Trump and I would be willing to bet that many of them speak quite similarly.  Yes, we should be disappointed in his use of the language.  Should we be so disappointed that we are willing to let Hillary win this election?


I've gotten a kick of the responses of both Hillary and Kaine.  Hillary tweeted that it is horrific.  Really, what could be more horrific than what your husband did to those women that he raped and molested and that you worked hard to destroy to save his political career.  Kaine said something about Trump having no business running for President, when he is the running mate of such a vile woman. 


All of the responses from the Evangelical crowd are great too.  I think they've forgotten that God does the judging and not us.  I think it goes something like, "judge not lest yee be judged"  Who among us is without sin? 


I'll not go on, y'all can have fun.

Actually, Ralph Reed came out to express his continued endorsement of Trump. I'll take a 60-year old frat boy to a woman who endorses full term partial birth abortions.
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on October 08, 2016, 06:21:48 PM
Bill Clinton?


Except he's not on the ticket, just his disgusting wife who worked hard to destroy those that he raped and groped.  ;)
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: Anthony on October 08, 2016, 06:36:03 PM
Damn the Democrats are good at this dirty politics stuff.  They've got the GOP imploding even more, thirty days before the election.  Even Pence is abandoning Trump to a large extent.  Wow.  They know just the right buttons to push to get the lilly livered Republicans to cave.  Unreal.
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: JeffDG on October 08, 2016, 06:37:42 PM
Damn the Democrats are good at this dirty politics stuff.  They've got the GOP imploding even more, thirty days before the election.  Even Pence is abandoning Trump to a large extent.  Wow.  They know just the right buttons to push to get the lilly livered Republicans to cave.  Unreal.
The difference between Democrats and Republicans is motivation.  Democrats (like Trump) are motivated by power.  Republicans are motivated by principles.  So when it comes down to brass tacks, and Republicans are forced to choose between someone without character in order to achieve power, they choose wisely for principle.  Democrats have no such internal conflict.
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: nddons on October 08, 2016, 07:02:00 PM
Mysterious.
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: JeffDG on October 08, 2016, 07:12:00 PM
Mysterious.
Funny.


I don't think you should vote for Clinton either.  I don't think either are fit representatives for this republic.
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: asechrest on October 08, 2016, 07:33:40 PM

Democrats nominated a slimy pure politician and crook, and Republicans nominated a piggish, loudmouth, amoral reality TV star.

Welcome to the circus, guys. I've decided I'm still voting Johnson. Yes, he failed to come up with the name of a single foreign leader, but at least I don't throw up in my own mouth when I think about him. Thank you to everyone who helped it come to this. I hate you all.
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: Lucifer on October 08, 2016, 07:59:08 PM

Clinton’s accusers include:

Paula Jones: A former Arkansas state employee, Jones sued Bill Clinton in 1994 for sexual harassment. Jones claims that in 1991 then Arkansas Governor Bill Clinton propositioned and exposed himself to her in a Little Rock hotel. Clinton eventually settled with Jones out of court for $850,000, but never admitted to any wrongdoing.

Juanita Broaddrick: Broaddrick, a former nursing home administrator, alleges that Bill Clinton, who was running for Arkansas governor at the time, raped her in an Arkansas hotel room in the spring of 1978.

Kathleen Willey: Willey was a White House volunteer aide who, in March of 1998, alleged on the TV news program 60 Minutes that Bill Clinton had sexually assaulted her during his first term as President.

Eileen Wellstone: Wellstone, an English woman, alleges that Clinton sexually assaulted her after she met him at a pub near Oxford University where Clinton was a student in 1969.

Carolyn Moffet: Moffet was a legal secretary in Little Rock in 1979, said she met Governor Clinton at a political fundraiser and was invited to his hotel room. Moffet alleges that she fled the hotel room after Clinton demanded she perform sex acts on him.

Elizabeth Ward Gracen: A Miss Arkansas who would go on to win the Miss America contest in 1982, Gracen alleges that she was forced by Clinton to have sex with him shortly after she won the Miss Arkansas competition.

Becky Brown: Becky Brown was Chelsea Clinton’s nanny. L.D. Brown, an Arkansas State Trooper and Becky’s husband, claims that Clinton attempted to seduce her in while the two were in governor’s mansion.

Helen Dowdy: Dowdy, the wife of one of Hillary’s cousins, alleges that in 1986 Bill Clinton groped her on the dance floor of a wedding.

Cristy Zercher: Zercher was a flight attendant aboard Clinton’s campaign jet from 1991-1992. Zercher told the Star magazine that Clinton groped her for over 40 minutes.

 And let's not forget Monica Lewinsky, the 22 year old intern that Clinton had sex with in the Oval Office and led to his impeachment.
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: Lucifer on October 08, 2016, 08:07:53 PM
Dr Ben Carson had this to say:

The recent disclosure of lewd conversations Donald Trump had over a decade ago has caused some disillusionment among GOP stalwarts and conservative voters. In no way do I condone Trump's behavior - in fact I condemn any form of disrespect towards women.

We should always honor and respect the dignity of our mothers, sisters and daughters. Even though the incident happened ten years ago, well before Trump entered the political arena, this behavior is unacceptable, especially by someone who aspires to higher office. Trump did the right thing in immediately and unequivocally apologizing.

I feel fairly certain that the progressives have had knowledge of this conversation for a long time and dropped it at this point in time in an effort to obscure the release of damaging information about Hillary Clinton and her desire for open borders. I believe that they have more material that they will release periodically up until the election to keep a negative focus on Donald Trump. They do not want to discuss the vital issues that are destroying our nation and the future of our children, because they do not have logical solutions and offer more of the same that has gotten us into this precarious situation.


Those of us who do not want to see America fundamentally devolve into something worse must be wise enough to recognize the scheme that is being played out here. We must demand not only that the issues be discussed but also that we make our decisions based on issues and not on personalities or decade old statements and behavior by Hillary Clinton or Donald Trump.

The political elites and their loyal media are desperate because they are seeing the large enthusiastic crowds for Donald Trump and the meager crowds for Hillary Clinton, and they know that there will be a huge enthusiasm gap on election day.

The question is: will the political elites of both parties succeed in continuing their reign of fiscal irresponsibility and military weakness or will the people understand what is going on and will they be wise enough to thwart those efforts?
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: Lucifer on October 08, 2016, 08:11:48 PM
REMEMBER WHEN BILL CLINTON WAS PRESIDENT?
(January 20, 1993 to January 20, 2001—two terms)

When Bill Clinton was president, he allowed Hillary to assume authority over an attempt to reform health care.

Her proposed plan was so bad that many Democrats came up with competing plans of their own in protest, and in spite of threats and intimidation, on September 26, 1994, the “Hillarycare” bill was declared dead.

This fiasco cost the American taxpayers about $13 million for studies, promotion, and other efforts.

Then, President Clinton gave Hillary authority over selecting a female attorney general. Her first two selections were Zoe Baird and Kimba Wood—both were forced to withdraw their names from consideration.

Next, she chose Janet Reno, which husband Bill described as "my worst mistake."

(Some may not remember that Reno made the decision to gas David Koresh and the Branch Davidian religious sect in Waco, Texas resulting in dozens of deaths of women and children.)

Husband Bill also allowed Hillary to make recommendations for the head of the Civil Rights Commission—Lani Guanier was her selection.


After considerable backlash from prominent Democratic senators concerning Ms. Guanier's radical views, Bill Clinton withdrew her name from nomination, stating that she did not represents the civil rights views that he had championed during his campaign.

However, apparently a slow learner, husband Bill continued to allow Hillary to make more recommendations.

She chose former law partners, Web Hubbel for the Justice Department, Vince Foster for the White House staff, and William Kennedy for the Treasury Department.

Her selections went well: Hubbel went to prison, Foster (presumably) committed suicide, and Kennedy was forced to resign.

(Is anyone wondering yet what her Supreme Court Justice appointments would be like?)

Many younger voters will have no knowledge of "Travelgate," the first major ethics controversy during Bill’s presidency.

Hillary wanted to award unfettered travel contracts to Clinton friend, Harry Thompson—but the White House Travel Office refused to comply.

She trumped up allegations of financial mismanagement and reported seven long-time White House employees to the FBI. This ruined their reputations, got them fired, and caused a thirty-six month investigation.

Eventually, most of the employees were reinstated and Clinton associates were forced out of the travel office. Only one White House employee, Billy Dale, was charged with a crime—the enormous crime of mixing personal and White House funds; a jury acquitted him in less than two hours.

Still not convinced of her ineptness, Hillary was allowed to recommend a close Clinton friend, Craig Livingstone, for the position of Director of White House Security.

When Livingstone was investigated for the improper access of about 900 FBI files of Clinton enemies (Filegate) and the widespread use of drugs by White House staff, suddenly Hillary and the President denied even knowing Livingstone, and of course, denied knowledge of drug use in the White House.

Following this debacle, the FBI closed its White House Liaison Office after more than thirty years of service to seven presidents.

Next, when women started coming forward with allegations of sexual harassment and rape by Bill Clinton, Hillary was put in charge of the "bimbo eruption" and scandal defense.

Let’s look at some of her more notable decisions in this regard . . .

She urged her husband not to settle the Paula Jones lawsuit. After the Starr investigation, they settled with Ms. Jones.

She refused to release the Whitewater documents, which led to the appointment of Ken Starr as Special Prosecutor.

After $80 million dollars of taxpayer money was spent, Starr's investigation led to Monica Lewinsky, which led to Bill lying about and later admitting his affairs.


Hillary's devious game plan resulted in Bill losing his license to practice law for 'lying under oath' to a grand jury, followed by his subsequent impeachment by the House of Representatives.

Hillary avoided indictment for perjury and obstruction of justice during the Starr investigation by repeating, "I do not recall," "I have no recollection," and "I don't know" a total of 56 times while under oath. (Sound familiar?)

After leaving the White House, Hillary was forced to return an estimated $200,000 in White House furniture, china, and artwork that she had "mistakenly thought was hers."

So you see, the email scandal and all of her malfeasance regarding the handling of Top Secret information, not to mention the "pay to play" schemes of the Clinton Foundation, are nothing new.

Hillary’s entire political career has been nothing but a web of lies, corruption and destruction in her quest for power.
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: asechrest on October 08, 2016, 08:13:25 PM

What's with the "but Hillary!" data dump?
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: Anthony on October 08, 2016, 08:16:32 PM
So that's what our next President is going to look like.  Soros et al WON. 
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: Lucifer on October 08, 2016, 08:49:40 PM
Again, where is the outrage?

1) "Where is the God damn flag? I want the God damn fucking flag up every morning at fucking sunrise". Hillary to staff at the Arkansas Governor's mansion on Labor Day 1991. From the book "Inside the White House" by Ronald Kessler, p. 244

(2) "Fuck off! It's enough I have to see you shit-kickers every day! I'm not going to talk to you, too! Just do your Goddamn job and keep your mouth shut." Hillary to her State Trooper bodyguards after one of them greeted her with "Good Morning." From the book "America Evita" by Christopher Anderson, p.90

(3) "If you want to remain on this detail, get your fucking ass over here and grab those bags!" Hillary to a Secret Service Agent who was reluctant to carry her luggage because he wanted to keep his hands free in case of an incident. From the book "The First Partner" p. 25

(4) "Stay the fuck back, stay the fuck back away from me! Don't come within ten yards of me, or else! Just fucking do as I say, Okay!!?" Hillary screaming at her Secret Service detail. From the book "Unlimited Access" by Clinton 's FBI Agent-in-Charge, Gary Aldridge, p.139

(5) "Where's the miserable cock sucker?" (otherwise known as "Bill Clinton") Hillary shouting at a Secret Service officer. From the book "The Truth about Hillary" by Edward Klein, p. 5

(6) "You fucking idiot" Hillary to a State Trooper who was driving her to an event. From the book "Crossfire" ~pg. 84

(7) "Put this on the ground! I left my sunglasses in the limo. I need those fucking sunglasses! We need to go back!"  Hillary to Marine One helicopter pilot to turn back while in route to Air Force One. From the book " Dereliction of Duty" p. 71-72

(8 )  "Come on Bill, put your dick up! You can't fuck her here!!" Hillary to Gov. Bill Clinton when she spots him talking with an attractive female. From the book "Inside the White House" by Ronald Kessler, p. 243
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: JeffDG on October 08, 2016, 08:54:30 PM
Again, where is the outrage?
Hillary Clinton is a despicable human being.  Don't vote for her.


Just FYI, that doesn't make Donald Trump any less of a despicable human being, nor is it a reason to vote for him.  Don't vote for either, not if you ever want to have any credibility saying that "character matters"
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: JeffDG on October 08, 2016, 08:55:06 PM
What's with the "but Hillary!" data dump?
Somehow Trumpkins think that making Hillary look bad somehow makes their guy less horrible.
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: Anthony on October 08, 2016, 08:59:07 PM
Lesser of two evils.  I've said that from the beginning.  I want pro 2A judges on the SCOTUS, not radicals that want to continue us down the path of Communism.  That's it. 

BTW, Gary Johnson is a LOON. 
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: Lucifer on October 08, 2016, 09:07:03 PM
Lesser of two evils.  I've said that from the beginning.  I want pro 2A judges on the SCOTUS, not radicals that want to continue us down the path of Communism.  That's it. 

BTW, Gary Johnson is a LOON.

A Hillary presidency will be a BHO presidency on steroids.
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: asechrest on October 08, 2016, 09:32:48 PM
Lesser of two evils.  I've said that from the beginning.  I want pro 2A judges on the SCOTUS, not radicals that want to continue us down the path of Communism.  That's it. 

BTW, Gary Johnson is a LOON.

Haha, and Trump isn't? Jesus.

Gary Johnson's your 2A guy. I actually have no idea why you're voting for Trump, given your admittance that you're a single issue 2A voter, and given that Trump is a non-conservative dumbass and has no history of wanting to protect the 2A.
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: Anthony on October 08, 2016, 09:51:22 PM
Gary Johnson has NO SHOT.  At least Trump is saying he will put pro 2A justices on the court. 
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on October 09, 2016, 01:51:08 AM

From some of the comments, none of you have ever worked in truly middle class blue collar jobs of any type.

don't bet on it.

Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: Number7 on October 09, 2016, 04:20:25 AM
I think it is HILARIOUS how progressives stomp around proclaiming that Donald Trump is evil while supporting that criminal piece of shit, Hilary Clinton. Hypocrisy is the sole value of the left. They have nothing else.
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on October 09, 2016, 06:34:38 AM
Democrats never admit to have any moral values, so when they do these types of things it is okay and they can still sleep well.  Republicans run around talking about family values and such and thus cannot support anyone that does not represent what that talk about.  Usually, somewhere along the way, we find out that many of them only really talk about family values and don't actually practice them.
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: Lucifer on October 09, 2016, 06:46:23 AM
Democrats never admit to have any moral values, so when they do these types of things it is okay and they can still sleep well.  Republicans run around talking about family values and such and thus cannot support anyone that does not represent what that talk about.  Usually, somewhere along the way, we find out that many of them only really talk about family values and don't actually practice them.

Having grown up in the Bible Belt the hypocrisy is overwhelming.  Like you said it's usually all talk.
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: Anthony on October 09, 2016, 06:51:29 AM
Having grown up in the Bible Belt the hypocrisy is overwhelming.  Like you said it's usually all talk.

Yep, the Republicans can be hypocritical too, but more of us admit it.  Rarely will a Dem/Lib/Progressive recognize their own hypocrisy
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: Mase on October 09, 2016, 07:23:43 AM
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: asechrest on October 09, 2016, 07:26:00 AM
Yep, the Republicans can be hypocritical too, but more of us admit it.  Rarely will a Dem/Lib/Progressive recognize their own hypocrisy

Completely backward. Family Values Republicans will never admit their hypocrisy. At least not until they're caught with a guy from Rentboy.com. Or it becomes clear they are a serial child molester.
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: asechrest on October 09, 2016, 07:31:48 AM


In not sure why y'all are plastering this video. Obama was reading an excerpt from a book, and that quote was spoken by another character in said book. Obama is also not running for president, in case you didn't notice.

I know it hurts to recognize Trump is as big a dick as those of us with our eyes wide open knew he was. But that's what we've got, and no amount of videos of other people will change that.
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: Mase on October 09, 2016, 07:48:53 AM
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: Lucifer on October 09, 2016, 07:52:36 AM
In not sure why y'all are plastering this video. Obama was reading an excerpt from a book, and that quote was spoken by another character in said book. Obama is also not running for president, in case you didn't notice.

I know it hurts to recognize Trump is as big a dick as those of us with our eyes wide open knew he was. But that's what we've got, and no amount of videos of other people will change that.

The total hypocrisy of the left as well as media manipulation.  How about this as well:



This was also available during BHO's campaigns.  Nothing said, nada, not a word.

BTW, the Obama book is filled with that crap, above is only a small sampling.

Could one imagine the hand wringing and faux outrage had Romney or McCain written an autobiography using those words and phrases, then going on the actually read them for an audio book?   The MSM would have been calling for their immediate resignation from the campaign and playing those clips 24/7 and debate moderators would have pummeled them on question after question with regards to the tapes and video.

 But with the left, this is acceptable behavior, as long as the person doing it is a liberal.
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: nddons on October 09, 2016, 07:57:23 AM
Funny.


I don't think you should vote for Clinton either.  I don't think either are fit representatives for this republic.
They're not. But unfortunately one of them will be.
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: Anthony on October 09, 2016, 08:01:48 AM
They're not. But unfortunately one of them will be.

Yeah, we can all wish for Reagan to reappear, but that isn't going to happen, so once again we are stuck with the lesser of two evils.  However, one of them is really, really evil, and has proven it for over thirty years by ACTIONS, not just words. 
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: asechrest on October 09, 2016, 08:40:00 AM
The total hypocrisy of the left as well as media manipulation.  How about this as well:



This was also available during BHO's campaigns.  Nothing said, nada, not a word.

BTW, the Obama book is filled with that crap, above is only a small sampling.

Could one imagine the hand wringing and faux outrage had Romney or McCain written an autobiography using those words and phrases, then going on the actually read them for an audio book?   The MSM would have been calling for their immediate resignation from the campaign and playing those clips 24/7 and debate moderators would have pummeled them on question after question with regards to the tapes and video.

 But with the left, this is acceptable behavior, as long as the person doing it is a liberal.

Welcome to politics. Trump is still a buffoon.
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: JeffDG on October 09, 2016, 08:55:59 AM
Just remember, the line on the ballot that you're saying you want to check doesn't say "Not Hillary", it says "Trump".


You're voting FOR Trump, not against Hillary.  You are endorsing Trump and all he stands for.


You tell yourself he's the lesser of two evils, but that means you're voting for evil.
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: Anthony on October 09, 2016, 09:03:26 AM
GHW Bush, Dole, GW Bush, McCain, Romney.  All lesser of two evils, and all RINO's.  So yes, I voted for evil.  Sue me.   
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: Lucifer on October 09, 2016, 09:05:14 AM
Welcome to politics. Trump is still a buffoon.

Thanks for acknowledging the hypocrisy of the left.
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: JeffDG on October 09, 2016, 09:07:33 AM
GHW Bush, Dole, GW Bush, McCain, Romney.  All lesser of two evils, and all RINO's.  So yes, I voted for evil.  Sue me.
Whatever it takes to sleep at night.  Just remember, you're voting for a fundamentally evil man, and no amount of running Clinton down as evil makes Trump any less evil.
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: Anthony on October 09, 2016, 09:15:12 AM
Whatever it takes to sleep at night.  Just remember, you're voting for a fundamentally evil man, and no amount of running Clinton down as evil makes Trump any less evil.

Whatever.  Trump employs tens of thousands of people and generates wealth for the country.  Hillary like Obama will suck the life out of the economy. 

What has Trump DONE that is evil.  Yes he says stupid stuff, so what.  What has he DONE? 
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: nddons on October 09, 2016, 09:34:14 AM
Haha, and Trump isn't? Jesus.

Gary Johnson's your 2A guy. I actually have no idea why you're voting for Trump, given your admittance that you're a single issue 2A voter, and given that Trump is a non-conservative dumbass and has no history of wanting to protect the 2A.
And Johnson's running mate called AR-15s "weapons of mass destruction."  No thank you.
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: nddons on October 09, 2016, 10:00:42 AM
Just remember, the line on the ballot that you're saying you want to check doesn't say "Not Hillary", it says "Trump".


You're voting FOR Trump, not against Hillary.  You are endorsing Trump and all he stands for.


You tell yourself he's the lesser of two evils, but that means you're voting for evil.

Ok, now you are pissing me off.  I've explained my position as nauseum.  There are millions of us who will do whatever it takes to keep criminal Clinton out of the office, without seeing the need to commit fratricide before the final battle. 

500,000 men followed General Westmoreland into battle in 1964-1968.  I certain not everyone believed in everything he stood for. 
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: JeffDG on October 09, 2016, 10:09:02 AM
Ok, now you are pissing me off. 
Perhaps you should consider that someone pointing out the logical consequences of your position pisses you off, says something of what that means about your position, instead of the person holding the mirror.
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: asechrest on October 09, 2016, 10:21:35 AM
Thanks for acknowledging the hypocrisy of the left.

You're welcome.
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on October 09, 2016, 10:30:55 AM



Not so sure this proves anything.  It looks to me like he is just reading from a book at a book club or something.
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: nddons on October 09, 2016, 11:17:45 AM
Perhaps you should consider that someone pointing out the logical consequences of your position pisses you off, says something of what that means about your position, instead of the person holding the mirror.
You did no such thing.  You stated that a vote for Trump is an endorsement for all he stands for.  That's delusional.  Mother Theresa could run and I would not endorse all that she stood for. 

Stop with the fucking word games.  What are YOU doing to prevent a criminal from becoming POTUS? 
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: JeffDG on October 09, 2016, 11:22:44 AM

Stop with the fucking word games.  What are YOU doing to prevent a criminal from becoming POTUS?
Voting for a non-criminal.  Not a fraudulent conartist (Trump) or someone guilty of mishandling classified info (Clinton)

You are voting for a criminal.
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: Lucifer on October 09, 2016, 11:23:51 AM

Not so sure this proves anything.  It looks to me like he is just reading from a book at a book club or something.

Go listen to the audio versions of his two books, with him reading his own words.  Listen to him use the word nigger over and over, listen to him use the words such as mother fucker, bitch, pussy, goddamn and other expletives.

 Then try to imagine a Romney, Bush, McCain, Reagan or even Trump doing the same thing. 

 What would you think would happen?
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: Lucifer on October 09, 2016, 11:26:15 AM
You did no such thing.  You stated that a vote for Trump is an endorsement for all he stands for.  That's delusional.  Mother Theresa could run and I would not endorse all that she stood for. 

Stop with the fucking word games.  What are YOU doing to prevent a criminal from becoming POTUS?

Honestly, why does anyone waste their time with an asshat like Jeff?  He simply wants someone, ANYONE he can find on the Internet to bully around. 

 It's the caged chimpanzee hurling his shit at everyone.
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: JeffDG on October 09, 2016, 11:45:54 AM
Honestly, why does anyone waste their time with an asshat like Jeff?  He simply wants someone, ANYONE he can find on the Internet to bully around. 

 It's the caged chimpanzee hurling his shit at everyone.
Wow...are you seriously reading a definition of "projection
" then matching it every single post?


Sent from my iPad . Squirrel!!
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: Gary on October 09, 2016, 02:42:58 PM
I'm really bemused at the level of surprise at the Donald's comments.  They are just another in a long line of utterances that give insight to his thought process and how he views other people.  For the Donald, it is all about the Donald.  Always has been and always will be.  He views people in one of two categories - Winners (pretty much himself) and Losers (pretty much everyone else).  That hasn't changed in years and no one should be surprised.

So now that his last bit of credibility has been destroyed, it will prove interesting on how he handles this in tonight's debate. 
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: Anthony on October 09, 2016, 03:37:03 PM
I'm really bemused at the level of surprise at the Donald's comments.  They are just another in a long line of utterances that give insight to his thought process and how he views other people.  For the Donald, it is all about the Donald.  Always has been and always will be.  He views people in one of two categories - Winners (pretty much himself) and Losers (pretty much everyone else).  That hasn't changed in years and no one should be surprised.

So now that his last bit of credibility has been destroyed, it will prove interesting on how he handles this in tonight's debate.

I'm not surprised at all.  He's a blowhard, and an ego maniac.  I never really liked him other than his business acumen.  I voted for Cruz.  However, he says stupid stuff.  Hillary DOES damaging, and destructive stuff, and has her entire career.  If I thought a Libertarian candidate other than Gary Johnson, had a shot, I'd vote for them. 
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: Rush on October 09, 2016, 04:55:05 PM
I agree with both of you Gary and Anthony. I voted for Rubio in the primary. I think Trump is likely a narcissist.  But I think Hillary is a narcissist and a sociopath. Trump is just a garden variety pig. Hillary is dangerous.
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on October 09, 2016, 05:03:03 PM
I voted Rubio in the primary, too.  Had to write him in as he had already withdrawn from the race.

I fondly remember the outrage at his parking ticket. Those were the days!

Gary, no one here is surprised by anything Trump says or does, I think.  In the wider world there may be surprise, but it is probably faux.

Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: asechrest on October 09, 2016, 06:37:27 PM
The part about the video in the debate was brutal. The emails part was tough for Clinton, too.
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: Lucifer on October 09, 2016, 06:39:07 PM
The part about the video in the debate was brutal. The emails part was tough for Clinton, too.

She's getting her ass handed to her.
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: Anthony on October 09, 2016, 06:51:53 PM
She's getting her ass handed to her.

That's not a pretty thought if you know what I mean.  I can't watch it.  I just can't stand to hear her speak.  It's not just the content, it's her voice.  Ugh. 
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on October 09, 2016, 06:54:23 PM
For one of her early responses she was given 2:49 with no interruptions.  I guess expecting no bias was asking too much.



Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: nddons on October 09, 2016, 06:54:23 PM
She's getting her ass handed to her.
Agreed completely. 
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: nddons on October 09, 2016, 06:55:29 PM
For one of her early responses she was given 2:49 with no interruptions.  I guess expecting no bias was asking too much.

And Trump is pushing back when the treatment by the moderators is clearly unfair.  Good for him.
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: acrogimp on October 09, 2016, 07:13:25 PM
She's getting her ass handed to her.
I guessed as much without having to watch the debate, nothing about Trump in my FB feed since the debate started which means not only is she doing poorly he has not stepped on it in any significant way. 

That plus his again PUNK of the media by surprising them with several of Bill and Hillary's victims by inviting them to his pre-debate prep - priceless!

'Gimp
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: Lucifer on October 09, 2016, 07:18:12 PM
Seems Raddatz wants to debate Trump herself.   What a sorry excuse for a moderator.
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: nddons on October 09, 2016, 07:20:50 PM
I guessed as much without having to watch the debate, nothing about Trump in my FB feed since the debate started which means not only is she doing poorly he has not stepped on it in any significant way. 

That plus his again PUNK of the media by surprising them with several of Bill and Hillary's victims by inviting them to his pre-debate prep - priceless!

'Gimp

It's better than that.  They are in the debate audience, including that woman who was a 12-year old rape victim that she laughed about getting her rapist off. 
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: nddons on October 09, 2016, 07:21:35 PM
Seems Raddatz wants to debate Trump herself.   What a sorry excuse for a moderator.

I didn't think it was her job to debate Trump.  Fucking bitch.
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: asechrest on October 09, 2016, 07:22:09 PM
Trump did very poorly in the segment re: the Billy Bush video. It was awkward and painful. He's done quite well since then, though.
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: acrogimp on October 09, 2016, 07:24:27 PM
I didn't think it was her job to debate Trump.  Fucking bitch.
Come on Stan, you know it is all of their job to keep not just this Republican, but any Republican, from being elected.

There is literally no pretense of fairness/lack of bias remaining for anyone with even the tiniest bit of intellectual honesty when looking at the pathetic excuse for a media we suffer under.

'Gimp
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on October 09, 2016, 07:36:53 PM
They both contribute to her campaign, shouldn't we expect them to help her out.   ;)
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: Lucifer on October 09, 2016, 07:37:02 PM
So Hillary wants to "revitalize" the coal industry......after she stated she wants to shut them down.

Unreal.
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on October 09, 2016, 07:38:31 PM
So Hillary wants to "revitalize" the coal industry......after she stated she wants to shut them down.

Unreal.


What she really means is she wants to spend a gazillion dollars to train them to do something else.
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: Lucifer on October 09, 2016, 07:43:14 PM
http://dailycaller.com/2016/10/09/clinton-spokesman-to-trump-go-fuck-yourself/
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: Lucifer on October 09, 2016, 07:44:47 PM
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/10/trump-punked-press-told-reporters-going-pre-debate-presser-walked-clinton-rape-victims/
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: Anthony on October 09, 2016, 07:50:02 PM

What she really means is she wants to spend a gazillion dollars to train them to do something else.

Yes, in "green", "sustainable" energy that doesn't work, is inefficient, and will raise all of our electric rates 50%.  I'll tell you what's sustainable.  Oil, Natural Gas, and Coal.  We have so much of it that we are swimming in energy. 
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on October 09, 2016, 07:54:10 PM
Post debate tweet from Pence:


Congrats to my running mate [/size]@realDonaldTrump (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump)[/color][/size] on a big debate win! Proud to stand with you as we [/color][/size]#MAGA (https://twitter.com/hashtag/MAGA?src=hash)[/color][/size].[/color]
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: President in Exile YOLT on October 09, 2016, 08:01:56 PM
Can't wait to see the Harpy doing the perp walk with an overcoat draped over her handcuffed mitts.
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: Lucifer on October 09, 2016, 08:15:35 PM
"focused, and substantive. Trump won. Hillary lost.". Mark Levin
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: Kristin on October 10, 2016, 01:16:14 PM
Trump solidified his support with those who were going to vote for him no matter what.
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: Anthony on October 10, 2016, 01:19:01 PM
Trump solidified his support with those who were going to vote for him no matter what.

I haven't seen the numbers yet, but some of the media also indicates he has brought back some of the independents, and women. 
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: PaulS on October 10, 2016, 02:00:08 PM
I haven't seen the numbers yet, but some of the media also indicates he has brought back some of the independents, and women.

I don't trust the "numbers" either way, these pollsters are dishonest, just look at who they poll.
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: asechrest on October 10, 2016, 02:50:40 PM
I don't trust the "numbers" either way, these pollsters are dishonest, just look at who they poll.

That's what the unskew-the-polls-folks said last election. Didn't work out so well for them.
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: PaulS on October 10, 2016, 03:13:37 PM
That's what the unskew-the-polls-folks said last election. Didn't work out so well for them.

Well, we'll see what happens with the poll that matters, maybe you are right, maybe not.
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: asechrest on October 10, 2016, 03:15:10 PM
Well, we'll see what happens with the poll that matters, maybe you are right, maybe not.

Agreed, maybe not.
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: Gary on October 10, 2016, 03:25:07 PM
I haven't seen the numbers yet, but some of the media also indicates he has brought back some of the independents, and women.

 ;D Yes, believe it was two independents and one woman.  ;D
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: Little Joe on October 10, 2016, 03:33:28 PM
Just remember, the line on the ballot that you're saying you want to check doesn't say "Not Hillary", it says "Trump".


You're voting FOR Trump, not against Hillary.  You are endorsing Trump and all he stands for.


You tell yourself he's the lesser of two evils, but that means you're voting for evil.
That is exactly the technical meaning, if you have a severe case of OCD.

I do agree with your statements that say if we vote for Trump in spite of his moral failings, then we are being hypocritical when we accuse Bill Clinton (or any politician) of moral failings.

But one thing you OCD types seem to be completely unable to comprehend is relativity.

"Your scum candidate is scummier than my scumcandidate" is a completely valid logical statement drawing a similarly valid conclusion.
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: Kristin on October 10, 2016, 08:52:33 PM
I haven't seen the numbers yet, but some of the media also indicates he has brought back some of the independents, and women.

Which media?  I haven't seen anything suggesting that Trump moved the needle with undecided voters.
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on October 11, 2016, 05:17:00 AM
Which media?  I haven't seen anything suggesting that Trump moved the needle with undecided voters.


You don't get around much.
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on October 11, 2016, 05:34:08 AM
http://www.caintv.com/luntz-tonight-is-so-significat
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: Kristin on October 11, 2016, 07:32:05 PM
Oh!  How could I have missed a focus group of a whole 22 out of 318.9 million people. Well that convinces me.  It is just over.  No need for the election.
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: bflynn on October 12, 2016, 08:53:57 AM
case of OCD

Side bar - is it cruel that the letters in CDO are not in alphabetical order?
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: asechrest on October 12, 2016, 07:42:57 PM
Maybe he does actually assault women:  http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/13/us/politics/donald-trump-women.html?_r=0
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: Number7 on October 12, 2016, 08:10:02 PM
How perfectly predictable.
The left are masters at projection and because the women who were abused by Bill and attacked by Hilary are getting traction, the piece of shit left have to project that onto Trump because they are that type of people.
Pretty soon we will see scathing editorials about Melana (sp) Trump demeaning the lying shitbags that are behind this story to project Hilary's behavior onto the enemy.
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: asechrest on October 12, 2016, 08:10:21 PM
More: http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/palm-beach-post-exclusive-local-woman-says-trump-groped-her/w5ii48gwdJY9htsLl88GcP/
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: asechrest on October 12, 2016, 08:11:36 PM
How perfectly predictable.
The left are masters at projection and because the women who were abused by Bill and attacked by Hilary are getting traction, the piece of shit left have to project that onto Trump because they are that type of people.
Pretty soon we will see scathing editorials about Melana (sp) Trump demeaning the lying shitbags that are behind this story to project Hilary's behavior onto the enemy.

You fail to consider the alternate explanation: Trump and Clinton(s) are both terrible people. No amount of projection from one side to the other is needed.
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: Number7 on October 12, 2016, 08:12:57 PM
You fail to consider the alternate explanation: Trump and Clinton(s) are both terrible people. No amount of projection from one side to the other is needed.

Maybe but projection is like mother's milk to teh democrat machine. I stand by my assessment, though the lame stream will slit throats before any of them reported on it.
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on October 12, 2016, 08:15:31 PM
Maybe he does actually assault women:  http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/13/us/politics/donald-trump-women.html?_r=0
Well, we could be giving Romney his second term this year. Our bad.
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: nddons on October 12, 2016, 09:36:28 PM
Maybe he does actually assault women:  http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/13/us/politics/donald-trump-women.html?_r=0
I give very little credence to stories that "pop up" 30 years after the fact, when there is zero contemporaneous proof or evidence except recollections that someone told their friends or family.  There were recourses back then, including lawsuits.  None of these people chose that path, even though a millionaire is alleged to have done this.

I call bullshit. 
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: nddons on October 12, 2016, 09:40:06 PM
Well, we could be giving Romney his second term this year. Our bad.
Are you kidding me?  He put his dog on the roof of his car, and apparently was mean to someone in high school.  Totally disqualified for POTUS. 😡

I think Romney was the single best human being to run for POTUS in 200 years.  But that doesn't matter to voters.
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: asechrest on October 12, 2016, 10:02:24 PM
I give very little credence to stories that "pop up" 30 years after the fact, when there is zero contemporaneous proof or evidence except recollections that someone told their friends or family.  There were recourses back then, including lawsuits.  None of these people chose that path, even though a millionaire is alleged to have done this.

I call bullshit.

Cosby.
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: nddons on October 12, 2016, 10:07:39 PM
Cosby.
Was Cosby running for president?  I missed that. 
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: Jim Logajan on October 12, 2016, 10:25:13 PM
I give very little credence to stories that "pop up" 30 years after the fact, when there is zero contemporaneous proof or evidence except recollections that someone told their friends or family.  There were recourses back then, including lawsuits.  None of these people chose that path, even though a millionaire is alleged to have done this.

I call bullshit.

The fact that it was a millionaire actually makes it harder since the defender has deeper pockets than the plaintiff. It also devolves into "he said, she said" counterclaims and unlike rape there generally isn't physical evidence. In college I was a close friend (not her boyfriend, though) of a woman who told me about a similar groping attack (he had "more hands than an octopus" was the way she put it - I see by the news reports a similar phrase used!)  So I get the reluctance by these women to not try to do anything about it at the time. It isn't worth the hassle relative to the gain.

That it comes up now is obviously a mix of personal and political attacks on Trump. Personal motivations by the women (at least) and political by the Times. Trump supplied them with the ammunition, though, so he has no one to blame but himself.
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: acrogimp on October 12, 2016, 10:39:30 PM
They haven't jumped the shark until that witch Gloria Alred shows up with anatomical dolls or a baseball bat, she is their final scorched-earth tac-nuke load, the playbook is exhausted once she shows up - if he survives this, and I predict he will, it may be all over except the crying in Chapaquah.

Unlike all the other pussy Republicans, Trump will not take this lying down, and he will lash out in ways the Dem's haven't experienced even when fighting each other - mark my words.

Straight out of Rules for Radicals, specifically, Rule 4 which they hit us with everytime there is a possibility of victory on our side.

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1. Power is not only what you have but what the enemy thinks you have.

2. Never go outside the experience of your people.

3. Whenever possible, go outside of the experience of the enemy.

4. Make the enemy live up to their own book of rules.

5. Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon.

6. A good tactic is one that your people enjoy.

7. A tactic that drags on too long becomes a drag.

8. Keep the pressure on with different tactics and actions, and utilize all events of the period for your purpose.

9. The threat is usually more terrifying than the thing itself.

10. The major premise for tactics is the development of operations that will maintain a constant pressure upon the opposition.

11. If you push a negative hard and deep enough, it will break through into its counterside.

12. The price of a successful attack is a constructive alternative.

13. Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.

'Gimp
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on October 13, 2016, 04:08:58 AM
You fail to consider the alternate explanation: Trump and Clinton(s) are both terrible people. No amount of projection from one side to the other is needed.

With the allegations of the donald molesting women, even more democrats should be supporting the donald... more than just the 12million that voted for him in the primaries.



Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on October 13, 2016, 05:38:47 AM
Remember what they did to Herman Cain when he rose to the top of the polls?  Where are all those women he supposedly molested now?   ;)
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: asechrest on October 13, 2016, 07:06:29 AM
They haven't jumped the shark until that witch Gloria Alred shows up with anatomical dolls or a baseball bat, she is their final scorched-earth tac-nuke load, the playbook is exhausted once she shows up - if he survives this, and I predict he will, it may be all over except the crying in Chapaquah.

Unlike all the other pussy Republicans, Trump will not take this lying down, and he will lash out in ways the Dem's haven't experienced even when fighting each other - mark my words.

Straight out of Rules for Radicals, specifically, Rule 4 which they hit us with everytime there is a possibility of victory on our side.

'Gimp

Suggest an additional rule 4a:

Sometimes your opponent does what they say they do (ex: groping women).
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: Anthony on October 13, 2016, 07:08:06 AM
Suggest an additional rule 4a:

Sometimes your opponent does what they say they do (ex: groping women).

Trump is a rich man with a hot wife.  I don't see him needing to "grope" women that aren't willing to be groped. 
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: Witmo on October 13, 2016, 07:27:20 AM
Rich, beautiful wife, tons of toys, it doesn't matter.  Trump does what he does because he can because he believes he's entitled, not for any perceived deprivation.
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: asechrest on October 13, 2016, 07:27:36 AM
Trump is a rich man with a hot wife.  I don't see him needing to "grope" women that aren't willing to be groped.

Need to and want to are two different things.
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: acrogimp on October 13, 2016, 07:42:09 AM
Suggest an additional rule 4a:

Sometimes your opponent does what they say they do (ex: groping women).
SO if a candidate says something that should be taken as gospel then?  Apply to Hillary as well then?

If someone is merely accused of something, without any proof, they are automatically guilty then?  Apply to Hillary as well then?

Because groping is a far cry short of treason, murder, corruption, dereliction of duty, willful destruction of evidence, etc.

Just want to see where the hypocrisy line is.

'Gimp
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: Anthony on October 13, 2016, 07:43:14 AM
Rich, beautiful wife, tons of toys, it doesn't matter.  Trump does what he does because he can because he believes he's entitled, not for any perceived deprivation.

We have no evidence of that just some words spoken in perceived private.  Meanwhile Hillary feels so entitled to be President she thinks she should be "50 points ahead!"  (said in that strident, preachy, 60's activist voice)
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on October 13, 2016, 08:18:48 AM
This will also nicely obscure the Wilkileaks n HRC. Paying attention to her plan for the Catholic Church? She is at present just short of appointing bishops.
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: Little Joe on October 13, 2016, 08:30:28 AM
Need to and want to are two different things.
Glad to hear that a liberal understands that concept. Now if you could just learn to apply it consistently.
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on October 13, 2016, 08:31:20 AM
The doofus. If he did it, he should admit it. It was when he was a democrat after all!  :) now that he is a Republican he has better values and wants to MAGA.

If he didn't do it, he should fight tooth and nail.

People will forgive almost anything if you are honest, but they really really don't like being lied to.
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on October 13, 2016, 08:35:07 AM
The doofus. If he did it, he should admit it. It was when he was a democrat after all!  :) now that he is a Republican he has better values and wants to MAGA.

If he didn't do it, he should fight tooth and nail.

People will forgive almost anything if you are honest, but they really really don't like being lied to.

except when the liar is a democrat

Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on October 13, 2016, 08:37:32 AM
except when the liar is a democrat
Their open disenchantment with her this cycle says even they are wearying of it.
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: Little Joe on October 13, 2016, 08:42:46 AM
except when the liar is a democrat
Change that to:
 "except when a Democrat is lying to Democrats".
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: nddons on October 13, 2016, 08:59:36 AM
Suggest an additional rule 4a:

Sometimes your opponent does what they say they do (ex: groping women).
That's already covered by rule 13.

When a good, decent human being like Mitt Romney can't survive the politics of personal destruction that occurs every quadrennial, then no conservative can.  This is the democrats home field advantage, and we are worse as a country for it.
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: Anthony on October 13, 2016, 09:02:17 AM
When a good, decent human being like Mitt Romney can't survive the politics of personal destruction that occurs every quadrennial, then no conservative can.  This is the democrats home field advantage, and we are worse as a country for it.

Oh, but remember, he had a "binder" of women. 
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: nddons on October 13, 2016, 09:05:03 AM
Their open disenchantment with her this cycle says even they are wearying of it.
I wish that were true. The moral conflict Conservatives are having is a sign of hope, and also a worry. The democrats seem to have no such conflict, and will be voting for that criminal no matter what.
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: nddons on October 13, 2016, 09:08:01 AM
Oh, but remember, he had a "binder" of women.
Oh, yea. He also put his dog on the roof of his car, the filthy pig. You're right, he was never qualified for the office.   
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: Little Joe on October 13, 2016, 09:14:01 AM
I wish that were true. The moral conflict Conservatives are having is a sign of hope, and also a worry. The democrats seem to have no such conflict, and will be voting for that criminal no matter what.
Well, you do have to admit that a surprising number of liberals are fed up with HRC.  The only reason that she leads Trump is because Trump is Trump.
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: Little Joe on October 13, 2016, 09:17:14 AM
Oh, but remember, he had a "binder" of women.
I never understood how even Democrats could skew that line.  Did they really think he had a binder with a bunch of women in it, rather than a binder with a bunch of women's names in it?  In what way s that a problem, except for the fact that he was making an effort to seek out qualified women.
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on October 13, 2016, 09:21:27 AM
Let's see if I get this.  NBC had this tape for awhile now and chose to not disclose until the weekend before the debate after the Wikileaks stuff dropped.  Then all of a sudden someone shows up ad says Trump groped her on a plane and there was time to shoot a very nicely done piece on this groping.  BTW, how may armrests can be put up in 1st class?  Don't the meal trays come up from the armrests? 

Question, why did NBC not release this when Trump was still in the primaries?  Hmmmm.

This is all quite interesting.
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on October 13, 2016, 09:22:27 AM
While we're at it, why did these ladies wait until this tape was released?  Doesn't it all seem a bit orchestrated?   ;)
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: asechrest on October 13, 2016, 09:48:17 AM
SO if a candidate says something that should be taken as gospel then?  Apply to Hillary as well then?

If someone is merely accused of something, without any proof, they are automatically guilty then?  Apply to Hillary as well then?

Because groping is a far cry short of treason, murder, corruption, dereliction of duty, willful destruction of evidence, etc.

Just want to see where the hypocrisy line is.

'Gimp

I don't support Hillary. I'd be very happy to see her held to account.

To answer your basic questions: if someone is caught saying they do something, it is not unfair to take them at their word. When said person is then accused of doing what they said they do, those accusations naturally hold more weight. No, it doesn't mean they are automatically guilty.
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: Anthony on October 13, 2016, 09:51:55 AM
While we're at it, why did these ladies wait until this tape was released?  Doesn't it all seem a bit orchestrated?   ;)

It was a totally orchestrated effort between NBC, the Washington Post and the Hillary campaign.  NBC is owned by Comcast who is run by CEO Brian Roberts, a big Democrat bundler, and Hillary supporter.  He is also a good friend of Obama.  Washpo is owned by Jeff Bezos, the mega wealthy owner of Yahoo.  He is a huge progressive, and Democrat supporter. 
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: nddons on October 13, 2016, 09:55:40 AM
Let's see if I get this.  NBC had this tape for awhile now and chose to not disclose until the weekend before the debate after the Wikileaks stuff dropped.  Then all of a sudden someone shows up ad says Trump groped her on a plane and there was time to shoot a very nicely done piece on this groping.  BTW, how may armrests can be put up in 1st class?  Don't the meal trays come up from the armrests? 

Question, why did NBC not release this when Trump was still in the primaries?  Hmmmm.

This is all quite interesting.
YES!  I ASKED MY WIFE THE SAME QUESTION!  First class seats have always been independent of one another, IMO. There is no flip-up armrest.
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: nddons on October 13, 2016, 09:58:38 AM
I don't support Hillary. I'd be very happy to see her held to account.

To answer your basic questions: if someone is caught saying they do something, it is not unfair to take them at their word. When said person is then accused of doing what they said they do, those accusations naturally hold more weight. No, it doesn't mean they are automatically guilty.
Do you think they all independently planned on making these disclosures at the same time and same week of the election cycle? 
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: nddons on October 13, 2016, 10:01:11 AM
It was a totally orchestrated effort between NBC, the Washington Post and the Hillary campaign.  NBC is owned by Comcast who is run by CEO Brian Roberts, a bid Democrat bundler, and Hillary supporter.  He is also a good friend of Obama.  Washpo is owned by Jeff Bezos, the mega wealthy owner of Yahoo.  He is a huge progressive, and Democrat supporter.
We allowed the media to pick our nominee.  Now we are allowing the media to pick our president. 

Is no one getting tired of being led around by the nose by the liberal elite?
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: President in Exile YOLT on October 13, 2016, 10:49:15 AM
We allowed the media to pick our nominee.  Now we are allowing the media to pick our president. 

Is no one getting tired of being led around by the nose by the liberal elite?
The tens of thousands who turn up for Trump appearances seem to be.
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: Number7 on October 13, 2016, 10:51:42 AM
The vast majority. Liberals already this is all bulshit, made up to project onto Trump the failings that pig, Bill Clinton and Hilary attacked the women he assaulted.
The vast majority of liberals are just fine with it because lying about this and pretending about this damages the enemy and they are fine with zero credibility and even less integrity while praising their Moaist savior.
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: PaulS on October 13, 2016, 10:54:21 AM
That's already covered by rule 13.

When a good, decent human being like Mitt Romney can't survive the politics of personal destruction that occurs every quadrennial, then no conservative can.  This is the democrats home field advantage, and we are worse as a country for it.

Romney acted like a pussy, plain and simple.  His advisers sucked, that's why he lost.  Judging from his actions over the last few years, it's probably a good thing he did.   
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on October 13, 2016, 11:22:35 AM
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2016/white_house_watch_oct13 (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2016/white_house_watch_oct13)

Trump is up
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: acrogimp on October 13, 2016, 11:26:44 AM
Has anyone actually counted up how many times Trump has been 'done' so far going back through the primaries?

I bet that would be a surprisingly large number.

'Gimp
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: Anthony on October 13, 2016, 11:31:02 AM
Has anyone actually counted up how many times Trump has been 'done' so far going back through the primaries?

I bet that would be a surprisingly large number.

'Gimp

True, but in all honesty, I don't think he has a shot.  I hope I am wrong. 
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: Lucifer on October 13, 2016, 11:43:34 AM
True, but in all honesty, I don't think he has a shot.  I hope I am wrong.

 This is an interesting election for sure.  The media (4th estate) has proven beyond a shadow of doubt just how corrupt and dishonest they are.  Unfortunately this flows right over into polling.  To be honest I don't believe 75% of the polling to be accurate as I believe its all leading, i.e. the numbers are so manipulated to influence the vote. So where the real numbers are right now is very suspect, for everyone.

 We have entered the age of information, and quite literally the internet is now the "5th estate".  Where as the MSM once enjoyed completed control of the message, they no longer have that as the internet is there and available to provide information from a different view point.

 And social media is playing an even bigger part of the election than ever before.

 Sites like Wiki Leaks have pulled back the curtain and give voters an insight like which have never been witnessed before.  Other sites like Drudge Report have offered alternative views and been able to give the entire picture of an issue rather than just the parts the MSM wants you to see.

 Brexit was a very telling event of the 5th estate versus the 4th estate.  While the British MSM played their usual tricks the internet gave the folks of Britain a look at a harsh reality.  The result?  All polling leading up to the Brexit vote was found to be severely flawed and unpredictable.

 Will we see a similar effect here?  I don't know the answer to that one.  I do know the next 3 weeks will be very interesting, and I do know that future elections will be far different than what we have seen previously.

 Hang on.
Title: Re: Trump is done
Post by: JeffDG on October 13, 2016, 12:44:05 PM
Trump's behavior is much easier to understand when you remember that he's a Democrat.

He's secured the White House for Clinton, now he's turning his full attention to the Senate and House.


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