PILOT SPIN
Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: Geico on October 26, 2015, 05:44:12 AM
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The Donald has evently convicted Ford not to move 1,000 jobs to Mexico due to his 35% tariff promise. Remember when politicians actually cared about workers instead of lip service??
The tariff has been used for 100's of years to level the playing field until politicians lost the back bone to use it due to being in bed with other countries.
Liberals talk about helping the working class and cripple them with handouts. Conservatives create job and keep the playing field level for workers to actually WORK!
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/should-t...out-of-mexico/
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Wow. I can't open the link, but that could be a game changer.
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OTOH, how much will the price of a Ford go up, and what kind of competitive disadvantage does that put them in?
disclaimer: I own some Ford stock and I want them to do well.
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Bad link. What I don't get here, and feel free to correct me on this, is why Ford needs convincing to keep 1000 jobs when Honda, has a MASSIVE factory right here in Marysville and seem to doing all right. I just flew over Honda's plant last week and it is HUGE. Why can they pull it off here and Ford can't? Greed?
https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=honda+marysville+plant&view=detailv2&&id=F67B463725325A9F231806F82578D33E86FC8E43&selectedIndex=44&ccid=m7bPYLQT&simid=608032104173145517&thid=OIP.M9bb6cf60b4137286b1dd2a7f298d3c49o0&ajaxhist=0
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Bad link. What I don't get here, and feel free to correct me on this, is why Ford needs convincing to keep 1000 jobs when Honda, has a MASSIVE factory right here in Marysville and seem to doing all right. I just flew over Honda's plant last week and it is HUGE. Why can they pull it off here and Ford can't? Greed? Union?
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Bad link. What I don't get here, and feel free to correct me on this, is why Ford needs convincing to keep 1000 jobs when Honda, has a MASSIVE factory right here in Marysville and seem to doing all right. I just flew over Honda's plant last week and it is HUGE. Why can they pull it off here and Ford can't? Greed?
https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=honda+marysville+plant&view=detailv2&&id=F67B463725325A9F231806F82578D33E86FC8E43&selectedIndex=44&ccid=m7bPYLQT&simid=608032104173145517&thid=OIP.M9bb6cf60b4137286b1dd2a7f298d3c49o0&ajaxhist=0
Ford has UAW contracts, Honda does not. Setting up a Ford plant in the south here in the states wouldn't buy them much. Those shops would be covered under the same union contracts here in the states.
Union contracts is part of the equation, the other is maximizing profit. Mexican wages are a quarter to a third of wages here. Mexicans don't hassle you about environmental, or worker safety issues very much, if at all. The downsides to Mexico is the corruption you have to deal with and the unpredictability of the country itself. There is risk in doing business in Mexico, however Ford has been building cars there for decades now, so I imagine they have figured it out.
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Do you think this means Ford is placing their bets that the Donald gets in the oval office?
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Do you think this means Ford is placing their bets that the Donald gets in the oval office?
I doubt it. It's likely a wait and see strategy that really costs them nothing and doesn't really mess up their plans.
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Talk is cheap,moving back to the states sounds good,Ford would have to deal with the unions,that's why they left in the first place. I would like to know what Trump is promising them.
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Talk is cheap,moving back to the states sounds good,Ford would have to deal with the unions,that's why they left in the first place. I would like to know what Trump is promising them.
Relief from Unions?
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The Donald has evently convicted Ford not to move 1,000 jobs to Mexico due to his 35% tariff promise. Remember when politicians actually cared about workers instead of lip service??
The tariff has been used for 100's of years to level the playing field until politicians lost the back bone to use it due to being in bed with other countries.
Liberals talk about helping the working class and cripple them with handouts. Conservatives create job and keep the playing field level for workers to actually WORK!
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/should-t...out-of-mexico/
Can you actually hear yourself think? I love this. If you were actually paying attention, you'd know that Ford is STILL building a plant in Mexico.
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Bad link. What I don't get here, and feel free to correct me on this, is why Ford needs convincing to keep 1000 jobs when Honda, has a MASSIVE factory right here in Marysville and seem to doing all right. I just flew over Honda's plant last week and it is HUGE. Why can they pull it off here and Ford can't? Greed?
https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=honda+marysville+plant&view=detailv2&&id=F67B463725325A9F231806F82578D33E86FC8E43&selectedIndex=44&ccid=m7bPYLQT&simid=608032104173145517&thid=OIP.M9bb6cf60b4137286b1dd2a7f298d3c49o0&ajaxhist=0
Ford has UAW contracts, Honda does not. Setting up a Ford plant in the south here in the states wouldn't buy them much. Those shops would be covered under the same union contracts here in the states.
Union contracts is part of the equation, the other is maximizing profit. Mexican wages are a quarter to a third of wages here. Mexicans don't hassle you about environmental, or worker safety issues very much, if at all. The downsides to Mexico is the corruption you have to deal with and the unpredictability of the country itself. There is risk in doing business in Mexico, however Ford has been building cars there for decades now, so I imagine they have figured it out.
As one who does business in Mexico at two different factories, I respectfully disagree with your assertion about environmental hassles and worker safety. While what you say may be true to the local machine shop it surely isn't in the major factory setting.
You're dead nuts accurate about the corruption however. I often fly down with investigation parts in my luggage and expect to pay a fee to the policia or military personnel to allow me to pick up my bag and bring said parts into the country. We actually have a line item for "fees" when doing our expense reports and that's where the corruption amount is entered.
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I researched this a little bit for the thread about this on that "other" pilot board, so I'll just repost here-
Like I thought. This production move has nothing to do with Donald Trump, or any other politician. It has everything to do with the UAW.
From Ford's own media site-
The production shift from Mexico is part of the collective bargaining agreement Ford and the United Auto Workers negotiated in 2011. Ford’s announcement today confirms the company is moving forward with the plan for Ohio Assembly Plant.
“We are extremely pleased that the dedicated, highly skilled and highly motivated UAW members of Ohio Assembly Plant have been selected to build the next-generation Ford F-650 and F-750,” said Jimmy Settles, UAW vice president and director of the National Ford Department.
Overall a smart move by Ford. Ohio Assembly (Avon Lake) has done pretty much nothing but build the Econoline Van for the last 40 years! When Ford decided to replace the Econoline with the European Transit van as part of their "One Ford" world product program, they moved production of vans to Kansas City, MO.
However, there is a hitch. Ford wants to continue to produce the Econoline in the form of stripped chassis (used for motorhomes) and cut aways (used for box trucks). This leaves the plant under utilized. By moving production of the new F-650/750 low volume (in relative terms) medium duty trucks to Ohio Assembly, they fully utilize the factory and they consolidate much of their North American commercial truck production in one place.
As a side bonus, it makes it easy for them to offer their excellent V10 gas engine in the F-650/750 which makes them unique in the market. Nobody offers gas engines in this size of a truck anymore and some people might actually prefer gas in this day and age with particulate scrubbers and all the expense and maintenance they require.
Good move by Ford. Nothing to do with the Donald.