Post by: acrogimp on January 04, 2017, 10:28:37 AM
2 terms for Senators, 3 terms for Congresscritters.
I like it.
This is a part of draining the swamp and is long, long overdue - the only drawback is that it actually potentially increases the power and influence of the policy wonks and apparatchiks operating behind the scenes and in the various Federal buildings - they need term limits too IMO.
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Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on January 04, 2017, 10:29:59 AM
Post by: Anthony on January 04, 2017, 10:35:36 AM
Post by: Steingar on January 04, 2017, 11:55:16 AM
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on January 04, 2017, 11:59:48 AM
I used to really be in favor of this sort of thing, but not so much anymore. My question is simple, who shows all those newly elected Congresspeople what to do? They certainly don't know beforehand, since they've never done it before. Right now there are plenty of experienced people to show them how. But with a system of term limits, the number of experienced people will dwindle. However, lobbyists and those representing special interests will be more than happy to educate the newly elected.Get rid of lobbyists, too. That was, as I recall, discussed by Trump during the campaign.
And get out of here about "experience." A two-week, side-by-side orientation by the outgoing people would suffice. Or even less. The whole idea is to stop calling entrenchment and self-serving "experience."
Post by: Lucifer on January 04, 2017, 12:01:32 PM
And congress could actually have people in their third term helping the incoming new congressmen.
Congress was never meant to be a career position, neither was the senate.
Post by: Anthony on January 04, 2017, 12:26:28 PM
But with a system of term limits, the number of experienced people will dwindle.
GOOD!!! Why do these career politicians all get RICH WHILE IN OFFICE? I don't want experienced politicians. I want CITIZENS.
Post by: Little Joe on January 04, 2017, 03:07:02 PM
What does 20 or more years of "experience" make these guys better at? Does their idealism increase? Do they build more energy to get things done?
GOOD!!! Why do these career politicians all get RICH WHILE IN OFFICE? I don't want experienced politicians. I want CITIZENS.
Or do they learn about who pays the best bribes, and how to get the plum committee assignments?
If someone has the ability to run a successful campaign at that level, they obviously have some political savvy. I don't see how we could do any worse with term limits than without.
Post by: MarkZ on January 04, 2017, 03:26:28 PM
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Post by: President in Exile YOLT on January 04, 2017, 03:28:17 PM
Wait a second, I thought we already have term limits? Aren't those called "elections"?
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Post by: MarkZ on January 04, 2017, 03:30:52 PM
Why am I not surprised?If you want to fire someone from elected office, run against him or her. Forcing term limits only serves special interests. Watch and see.
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Post by: Anthony on January 04, 2017, 03:47:00 PM
Wait a second, I thought we already have term limits? Aren't those called "elections"?
Are you really that naïve? How old are you? You do understand the incredible advantage incumbents have to get re-elected, right?
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on January 04, 2017, 03:50:59 PM
If you want to fire someone from elected office, run against him or her. Forcing term limits only serves special interests. Watch and see.How do term limits serve special interests?
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Post by: MarkZ on January 04, 2017, 03:51:36 PM
Are you really that naïve? How old are you? You do understand the incredible advantage incumbents have to get re-elected, right?If they are doing a bad job, there isn't much of an advantage. 2010 saw to that.
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Post by: Lucifer on January 04, 2017, 03:53:14 PM
If you want to fire someone from elected office, run against him or her. Forcing term limits only serves special interests. Watch and see.
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You really didn't do well in Civics class did you? Or American history?
Which "special interest" was served by implementing the 22cd amendment?
Post by: DJTorrente on January 04, 2017, 04:58:34 PM
Post by: acrogimp on January 04, 2017, 05:50:19 PM
My only concern is that a revolving door of Congressional oversight would shift power to the perpetual bureaucracy.^^This and MarkZ's point about empowering the special interests are the primary potential issues with this approach, you can regulate the influence peddling and special interests to a point but the permanent apparatchik class is the real threat IMO.
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Post by: Little Joe on January 04, 2017, 06:06:57 PM
Wait a second, I thought we already have term limits? Aren't those called "elections"?Yeah, that's the same argument I have been hearing for 40 years or more. Elections do not work as term limits because everyone wants to get rid of all the other crooks, but keep their own crooks in power.
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Post by: TimRB on January 04, 2017, 06:30:00 PM
My only concern is that a revolving door of Congressional oversight would shift power to the perpetual bureaucracy.
That's essentially what has happened in California. In our case we have a single-party revolving door of rookie politicians. The results have been disastrous.
Tim
Post by: bflynn on January 04, 2017, 06:40:06 PM
I used to really be in favor of this sort of thing, but not so much anymore. My question is simple, who shows all those newly elected Congresspeople what to do? They certainly don't know beforehand, since they've never done it before. Right now there are plenty of experienced people to show them how. But with a system of term limits, the number of experienced people will dwindle. However, lobbyists and those representing special interests will be more than happy to educate the newly elected.
You're saying that we cannot have new Congressmen because they will be corrupted with bribery. If only there was an independent ethics office that could educate the incoming congressmen on what constitutes bribery when dealing with lobbyists. And with their party.
I believe the benefits of short term service outweighs potential drawbacks.
Post by: Anthony on January 04, 2017, 06:41:28 PM
That's essentially what has happened in California. In our case we have a single-party revolving door of rookie politicians. The results have been disastrous.
Tim
It's not the rookies that are the problem. It is the SINGLE PARTY DEMOCRAT system that controls all branches of government, and the judiciary.
Post by: bflynn on January 04, 2017, 06:41:41 PM
That's essentially what has happened in California. In our case we have a single-party revolving door of rookie politicians. The results have been disastrous.
Tim
Then you would make a case that we should have a ruling elite who tells the rest of us what laws we should live by? Because only they are smart enough to know better?
Post by: President in Exile YOLT on January 04, 2017, 07:10:59 PM
If you want to fire someone from elected office, run against him or her. Forcing term limits only serves special interests. Watch and see.That works great in one-party states. Meet the New Boss, same as the Old Boss...
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Post by: Steingar on January 05, 2017, 07:10:10 AM
That works great in one-party states. Meet the New Boss, same as the Old Boss...
Just about every State house has either a republican legislature, governor, or both. Down South its mostly a one-party system with the GOP firmly in charge.
Post by: Anthony on January 05, 2017, 07:55:34 AM
Just about every State house has either a republican legislature, governor, or both. Down South its mostly a one-party system with the GOP firmly in charge.
38 states have Republican Governors. The Democrats, and the lying media have done a nice job of alienating many thinking Americans, and people that actually work for a living outside of major metro regions like around NYC, and L.A.
Post by: MarkZ on January 05, 2017, 08:55:15 AM
Just about every State house has either a republican legislature, governor, or both. Down South its mostly a one-party system with the GOP firmly in charge.Wait a second, weren't the Republicans worried all elections are rigged and riddled with fraud?
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Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on January 05, 2017, 09:14:46 AM
Wait a second, weren't the Republicans worried all elections are rigged and riddled with fraud?They were! That is why Trump's election is a miracle. 8)
Democrats and their operatives have been rigging for decades. This election, HRC got more votes than mathematically possible in 37% (248) of the precincts in Detroit. This was likely the case in other liberal bastions as well. Virginia governor Terry McAuliffe granted voting rights to 60,000+ felons to swing the vote in favor of Hillary, and Democrats were caught destroying or changing ballots for Trump. The probability that illegals cast votes in the millions is high, due to Dems giving them ID and drivers licenses that pass as ballot worthy. And so on.
Why do you think they were so sure they would win?
Post by: Anthony on January 05, 2017, 09:35:45 AM
Wait a second, weren't the Republicans worried all elections are rigged and riddled with fraud?
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Yes, and I have witnessed personally in a large inner city. This is where it mostly happens not free America outside of metro areas.
Post by: Little Joe on January 05, 2017, 11:45:35 AM
Yes, and I have witnessed personally in a large inner city. This is where it mostly happens not free America outside of metro areas.Hmmm. I always wondered why Democrats tended to win more in large, inner cities.
Post by: MarkZ on January 05, 2017, 05:28:33 PM
Based off this logic, and th current makeup of the federal houses as well as most state houses, I would think most of the conservatives here would prefer not having term limits.
Does any state legislature enforce term limits? Anyone know how that's working out?
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