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Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: Number7 on January 12, 2018, 09:39:38 AM
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I came across this chart showing average IQ in various regions.
From a glance it looks like there are hordes of Americans that have TRIPLE DIGIT IQ...
Not so much in those shitholes...
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That's racist!
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I think everything is racist, as long as it contradicts a liberal.
If you win a debate with a liberal, you're racist.'If you disprove any ascertain made by a liberal you're racist.
If you wear nice clothes, enjoy a walk in a national park, like good food and quality music, you're racist...
and so on...
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Meh. IQ is more accurately a measure of cultural intelligence. If the topics were things like how to harvest animals or how to make your own clothing, Americans would be idiots. It really only says that they don't think about the same things we do.
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Meh. IQ is more accurately a measure of cultural intelligence. If the topics were things like how to harvest animals or how to make your own clothing, Americans would be idiots. It really only says that they don't think about the same things we do.
I disagree. What you are talking about are knowledge tests; not intelligence tests.
But I also discount the ability to measure IQ's of entire countries or continents.
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I disagree. What you are talking about are knowledge tests; not intelligence tests.
But I also discount the ability to measure IQ's of entire countries or continents.
Yeah they used to be more culturally biased but they've pretty much fixed that.
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My intent was to show our resident progressive, marxist, that LOTS of Americans have an IQ in triple digits, since he thinks that makes him special.
He's probably too insulated to from reality to figure that out for himself, anyway.
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Our average IQ would be greater were it not for folks like you.
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Our average IQ would be greater were it not for folks like you.
You poor, pathetic, snowflake...
I saw you couldn’t address the actual topic but, then, you probably would claim it was racist, anyway.
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You poor, pathetic, snowflake...
I saw you couldn’t address the actual topic but, then, you probably would claim it was racist, anyway.
Of course, the Number 7 could pertain to his dentition...
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Of course, the Number 7 could pertain to his dentition...
...BUT you can't focus on the topic.
However, you can be Cute, in a kindergartener kind of way.
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I disagree. What you are talking about are knowledge tests; not intelligence tests.
But I also discount the ability to measure IQ's of entire countries or continents.
I'm not talking about knowledge tests. I'm talking about questions which presuppose basic knowledge behind the question. Here's a question from a supposedly "culturally neutral" IQ test -
Which identical three-letter word, when placed in front of the following
words, forms a new word?
FUSE, CLAIM, DUCT, CREATE, FIT, FOUND, LONG
I mean this doesn't even pass the language barrier, if English is not your native language, then you are handicapped.
Oooh, how about this one:
Bruce likes 324 but not 325. He likes 2500 but not 2400. He likes 121
but not 122. Which does he like?
a) 900
b) 800
Nice, but what if your culture doesn't make use of math or doesn't emphasize it beyond how to add up money? A culture that is heavily biased toward STEM will do better on a question like this. BTW, Bruce likes numbers where the individual digits sum to an even number.
IQ testing is still culturally biased
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...BUT you can't focus on the topic.
However, you can be Cute, in a kindergartener kind of way.
The Number 7 could refer to extant relatives. Of course, his family tree more resembles a succulent, since everyone on it is a prick.
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The Number 7 could refer to extant relatives. Of course, his family tree more resembles a succulent, since everyone on it is a prick.
Other than junior high age insults, you really have nothing of significance to offer, do you?
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Other than junior high age insults, you really have nothing of significance to offer, do you?
Your right. I shouldn’t have mentioned your dentition, since Odin wasted a perfect asshole by putting teeth in your mouth
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Your right. I shouldn’t have mentioned your dentition, since Odin wasted a perfect asshole by putting teeth in your mouth
What about his right?
Or did you mean to say "you're" right?
When you are trying to act smart . . .
(which I'm not).
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What about his right?
Or did you mean to say "you're" right?
When you are trying to act smart . . .
(which I'm not).
The (supposedly) highly educated perfesser has problems when it comes to reading comprehension as well as writing skills.
And also researching simple items using the internet. Oh, and also US history..............
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The parasitic, professor has spent his life living off others, and working in an environment where those he was abusing with his limited intelligence were not in a position to talk back. In any other job he would be found out, and reduced to cleaning toilets, or unemployed.
Once you read what his former students say about him, you realize how limited his limited faculties really are.
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Overuse of commas is, illegal.
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Overuse of commas is, illegal.
Seen on a coffee cup recently:
"Let's eat, Timmy" (acceptable at the dinner table).
"Let's eat Timmy" (acceptable on a raft in the open ocean).
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The parasitic, professor has spent his life living off others, and working in an environment where those he was abusing with his limited intelligence were not in a position to talk back. In any other job he would be found out, and reduced to cleaning toilets, or unemployed.
Once you read what his former students say about him, you realize how limited his limited faculties really are.
Of course, the Number 7 could refer to his 7 children. Then again, I guess we all make mistakes.
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I'm not talking about knowledge tests. I'm talking about questions which presuppose basic knowledge behind the question. Here's a question from a supposedly "culturally neutral" IQ test -
Which identical three-letter word, when placed in front of the following
words, forms a new word?
FUSE, CLAIM, DUCT, CREATE, FIT, FOUND, LONG
I mean this doesn't even pass the language barrier, if English is not your native language, then you are handicapped.
Oooh, how about this one:
Bruce likes 324 but not 325. He likes 2500 but not 2400. He likes 121
but not 122. Which does he like?
a) 900
b) 800
Nice, but what if your culture doesn't make use of math or doesn't emphasize it beyond how to add up money? A culture that is heavily biased toward STEM will do better on a question like this. BTW, Bruce likes numbers where the individual digits sum to an even number.
IQ testing is still culturally biased
Then why does Bruce like 324 and 2500?
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Then why does Bruce like 324 and 2500?
I don't know. Maybe I need to study math better...
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Of course, the Number 7 could refer to his 7 children. Then again, I guess we all make mistakes.
The big mistake was a university hiring you to clutter young minds with bullshit, and stupidity.
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Lol, good thread, each side seems to be holding his own in the insult department, nice work guys.
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The big mistake was a university hiring you to clutter young minds with bullshit, and stupidity.
I’d love to keep insulting you, but I’ll never do half as well as Mother Nature.
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I’d love to keep insulting you, but I’ll never do half as well as Mother Nature.
And you need to get back to hating people based solely on their skin color, while projecting your racism onto others.
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And you need to get back to hating people based solely on their skin color, while projecting your racism onto others.
I don't know what your problem is, but I bet its hard to pronounce.
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I don't know what your problem is, but I bet its hard to pronounce.
You keep posting but never address the actual topic.
I guess you are just too triggered to deal with the fact that a YUGGE portion of our country has triple digit IQ's which makes you average, at best.
Those delusions of mediocrity are going to be your undoing someday.
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You keep posting but never address the actual topic.
I guess you are just too triggered to deal with the fact that a YUGGE portion of our country has triple digit IQ's which makes you average, at best.
Those delusions of mediocrity are going to be your undoing someday.
I imagine if you keep rolling your eyes enough you might actually find a brain back there somewhere.
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I'm not talking about knowledge tests. I'm talking about questions which presuppose basic knowledge behind the question.
IQ testing is still culturally biased
I will go right to the decisive statement that IQ helps when cultural advancement and life expectancy are taken into consideration. If we suppose that all humans aspire to wealth, happiness and long life spans, I think it's important to view the image in the first post with some further images. I've chosen "global lifespan" and "global wealth" as my two desired states, and will now compare them to the IQ world chart from post 1:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_life_expectancy#/media/File:Life_Expectancy_2005-2010_UN_WPP_2006.PNG
https://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user5/imageroot/2013/06/CS%20wealth%204.jpg
Now, first off, these two charts are not current for 2017. I decided not to get too wrapped around the axle on specific dates, as I consider the general trends to be reliable. Again, I will make the decisive statement that greater IQ is a major contributor to advanced wealth and life expectancy. One can presume that happiness is a byproduct of these two elements, or at least infer it. I'm fairly smart, and fairly wealthy(globally), and I'm darn happy, so that settles it(hehe).
N Europeans spread out over the globe and took over, or colonized the rest of the world. Sorry(not really). In some part this was because they were smarter, and more able to advance in things like STEM, econ/finance, ag, extended planning, and socialization. If one wants to call this eugenics, I don't mind.
Which leads to an interesting question on racial purity, or racial intermixing. When whites mix with E Asians, are they advancing the cultural and socio-economic gain? And - contemporaneously, if African blacks mix with Indo-ME or W Asians, are they regressing cultural and socio-economic gains? hmmmmm. Yes, I am a racist, but wait! No one knows what race I am. muuuaahhahahhahahhaaaaa....
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I imagine if you keep rolling your eyes enough you might actually find a brain back there somewhere.
You are not very good at this. Having had your brainstorm about you make believe 'triple-digit' IQ outed as nonsense and silliness, continuing to attack the intelligence of others just calls your won into further question.
I guess all your ignorant ranting about intelligence is good, because it keeps you from hurling the race card, and the bullshit MMGW lies at me.
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You are not very good at this. Having had your brainstorm about you make believe 'triple-digit' IQ outed as nonsense and silliness, continuing to attack the intelligence of others just calls your won into further question.
I guess all your ignorant ranting about intelligence is good, because it keeps you from hurling the race card, and the bullshit MMGW lies at me.
I’m sorry I didn’t quite get that. I guess I just don’t speak idiot.
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I’m sorry I didn’t quite get that. I guess I just don’t speak idiot.
I have no doubt you couldn't think your way past a one car parade.
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I will go right to the decisive statement that IQ helps when cultural advancement and life expectancy are taken into consideration.
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Again, I will make the decisive statement that greater IQ is a major contributor to advanced wealth and life expectancy.
Those statements (basically "smart people are generally more successful" - yawn) and the supporting links don't address the cause of low IQ countries claimed by the original map (an average IQ of a whole country below 65 is quite astounding since anything below 70 is considered mentally retarded.) Assuming the map is correct in capturing the differences even if the values may not be correct, the important question is WHY the difference in IQ?
Disease combined with malnutrition are two likely culprits, not genetic predisposition to lower IQ (there is some difference in the averages between races, possibly as much as 15 points, but no where near the magnitude implied by the original map.) The U.S. is a mixed-race country and if the difference in IQ between races were as large as implied by the low-IQ African countries, the U.S. should have had a lower average IQ.
Now compare a map of Malaria cases by country, the prevalence underweight children by country, population growth by country, and the original IQ map. Lastly, a correlation graph of "infectious disease burden" vs IQ by country.
The theory that disease in youth can cause permanent lowering of IQ may also explain the infamous Flynn effect:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impact_of_health_on_intelligence (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impact_of_health_on_intelligence)
(https://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2012/2/2/1328205987540/Malaria-graphic-008.jpg)
(http://www.prb.org/images07/62.3_06BNutMap.gif)
(https://thebreakthrough.org/images/PopFAQ_map_.003.jpeg)
(http://www.pilotspin.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2498.0;attach=581;image)
(http://media.economist.com/images/na/2010w27/201027NAC728.gif)
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I have no doubt you couldn't think your way past a one car parade.
So, a thought crossed your mind? Must have been a long and lonely journey.
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Those statements (basically "smart people are generally more successful" - yawn) and the supporting links don't address the cause of low IQ countries claimed by the original map (an average IQ of a whole country below 65 is quite astounding since anything below 70 is considered mentally retarded.) Assuming the map is correct in capturing the differences even if the values may not be correct, the important question is WHY the difference in IQ?
Disease combined with malnutrition are two likely culprits, not genetic predisposition to lower IQ (there is some difference in the averages between races, possibly as much as 15 points, but no where near the magnitude implied by the original map.) The U.S. is a mixed-race country and if the difference in IQ between races were as large as implied by the low-IQ African countries, the U.S. should have had a lower average IQ.
Now compare a map of Malaria cases by country, the prevalence underweight children by country, population growth by country, and the original IQ map. Lastly, a correlation graph of "infectious disease burden" vs IQ by country.
The theory that disease in youth can cause permanent lowering of IQ may also explain the infamous Flynn effect:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impact_of_health_on_intelligence (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impact_of_health_on_intelligence)
(https://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2012/2/2/1328205987540/Malaria-graphic-008.jpg)
(http://www.prb.org/images07/62.3_06BNutMap.gif)
(https://thebreakthrough.org/images/PopFAQ_map_.003.jpeg)
(http://www.pilotspin.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2498.0;attach=581;image)
(http://media.economist.com/images/na/2010w27/201027NAC728.gif)
What in the hell are you doing, Jim? You’re interrupting the most boring girl slap fight I’ve seen since 6th grade.
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Poor, pathetic Michael can't find a single fact to support his ego about his make believe intelligence.
Keep digging, powder puff. It's funny as hell watching you r pathetic attempts at insult.
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What in the hell are you doing, Jim? You’re interrupting the most boring girl slap fight I’ve seen since 6th grade.
(https://78.media.tumblr.com/aa942217b9d883f1161457d7141dc06a/tumblr_n7xsue9HeQ1ry46hlo1_250.gif)
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/b9/28/57/b9285710f63c8af9c5d163e54e5a085a.gif)
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Poor, pathetic Michael can't find a single fact to support his ego about his make believe intelligence.
Keep digging, powder puff. It's funny as hell watching you r pathetic attempts at insult.
Believe me, I don’t want to make a monkey out of you.
Why should I take all the credit?
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Believe me, I don’t want to make a monkey out of you.
hould I take all the credit?
You REALLY suck at this.
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I've been refraining from continuing the IQ discussion for just this reason, don't want to interrupt the flow of the slap fest.
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I've been refraining from continuing the IQ discussion for just this reason, don't want to interrupt the flow of the slap fest.
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You REALLY suck at this.
I'd like to see things from your point of view but I can't seem to get my head that far up my ass.
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I'd like to see things from your point of view but I can't seem to get my head that far up my ass.
You meant to say your head is so far up George Soros' ass you couldn't extricate it with a steam shovel.
One thing about progressives, they never care what the party line is, as long as it is mandatory and someone is handy to tell them what they believe.
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And you need to get back to hating people based solely on their skin color, while projecting your racism onto others.
I know that I've been gone awhile but when did Steingar become racist?
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I venture to say - when the little wiggler embedded in the ovum.
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I venture to say - when the little wiggler embedded in the ovum.
HA HA HA HA
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I know that I've been gone awhile but when did Steingar become racist?
Better question is why are you just figuring it out?
Who is the bigger racist? A white person that enables poor black people to stay poor,
or a white person that expects and allows poor black people to work to improve themselves?
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I know that I've been gone awhile but when did Steingar become racist?
They think I'm racist because I call Trump the Mango Mussolini.
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I'd like to see things from your point of view but I can't seem to get my head that far up my ass.
If someone wants to commit suicide, all they would have to do is climb your ego and jump to your IQ.
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They think I'm racist because I call Trump the Mango Mussolini.
No, you've gone way beyond that. Your bigotry and racism is out there.
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Better question is why are you just figuring it out?
Who is the bigger racist? A white person that enables poor black people to stay poor,
or a white person that expects and allows poor black people to work to improve themselves?
While #1 is a racist by action, #2 could be racist (or not) based on a number of things. I prefer #2 in most cases including the white activists.
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Hmmmm. May I ask - is "white" activism some kind of, problem?
Shirley we can all agree that "black" activism is to be encouraged, if not endorsed, even celebrated.
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Hmmmm. May I ask - is "white" activism some kind of, problem?
Shirley we can all agree that "black" activism is to be encouraged, if not endorsed, even celebrated.
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Hmmmm. May I ask - is "white" activism some kind of, problem?
Shirley we can all agree that "black" activism is to be encouraged, if not endorsed, even celebrated.
Forgive my short words. Remind me to never drive and post on pilotspin again (smile).
I went to a celebration event on Monday for ML King day and one of the presenters talked about a Civil Rights organization (don't recall the name) that as a key component of their strategy was that there must be support on both racial sides of the aisle. Sounds good on the surface, but in practice I believe will not produce the desired end result, which is a truly egalitarian society where meritocracy, free of racial bias or influence works. Proof is that we're still having this conversation in 2018.
If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket.
American social structure depends upon maintenance of stratification along several lines, one of which is race. Full stop as this is inarguable.
I do not believe that any subset of a society who have a societal advantage wants to see that advantage diminish. Translated it means that White people naturally cannot afford to eschew stratified white privilege and Black people who believe otherwise are greatly deceived by childish platitudes.
IMO the only thing that works is competition and perhaps when balance is achieved by competition, further economic growth may drive the need for true interracial respect.
At the same time, while Blacks compete many Great Black thinkers have advocated that Black taxpayer dollars should not be used to buttress a system that disadvantages them in the competition. And as I turn the pages of historical research I find innumerable examples of Government programs with an open policy that is designed to help American Citizens unbiasedly, yet years later we learn of Federal lawsuits regarding lopsided implementations along racial lines and forget the impact those systems of years of unjust systemic "rigging" have had upon the society we live it today. We learn of gerrymandering designed to weaken voting influence, policies that erode quality of education for Black and Brown children, all the yet while the tax rate remains the same. If Blacks put into the system, the same benefit should be extracted, seems to be common sense yet not a common reality.
Now, back to your question regarding "white activism". I don't know what to tell you, except the terms "black activism" and "white activism" do not have the same meaning, connotation, agenda or practice. I'm open to hearing different as I don't have any real-world experience with being at a "white activist" rally, but I have been to a "black activist" rally or 2 and can say these few things...
1. I've seen Whites at the meetings- I don't agree with this "policy" (for many reasons) but it is what it is and likely an artifact from the same as spoken above
1b. I don't think that a Black person would get the same welcome (or even nonchalant apathy) at a "white activist" rally, they would likely be shown the door with alacrity
2. "Black Activists" mostly focus on "How to" access the legitimate services that are already paid for with Black (and white) tax dollars and it's nearly the same conversations at every meeting (THAT TELLS YOU THAT IT'S A PROBLEM)
2b. Alternate conversations are: since blacks cannot get equal access (or more properly, equal usage) then there are discussions on withdrawal of participation in the tax pool - THIS IS NOT HATE, THIS IS COMMON SENSE- yet this discussion is portrayed and characterized as something other than what it is to demonize it and dissuade those that would strategize, promote and/or participate from exercising such socio-political freedoms.
But this post is a strong swerve away from the topic of discussion and I'm happy to entertain elsewhere.
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Forgive my short words. Remind me to never drive and post on pilotspin again (smile).
I went to a celebration event on Monday for ML King day and one of the presenters talked about a Civil Rights organization (don't recall the name) that as a key component of their strategy was that there must be support on both racial sides of the aisle. Sounds good on the surface, but in practice I believe will not produce the desired end result, which is a truly egalitarian society where meritocracy, free of racial bias or influence works. Proof is that we're still having this conversation in 2018.
American social structure depends upon maintenance of stratification along several lines, one of which is race. Full stop as this is inarguable.
I do not believe that any subset of a society who have a societal advantage wants to see that advantage diminish. Translated it means that White people naturally cannot afford to eschew stratified white privilege and Black people who believe otherwise are greatly deceived by childish platitudes.
IMO the only thing that works is competition and perhaps when balance is achieved by competition, further economic growth may drive the need for true interracial respect.
At the same time, while Blacks compete many Great Black thinkers have advocated that Black taxpayer dollars should not be used to buttress a system that disadvantages them in the competition. And as I turn the pages of historical research I find innumerable examples of Government programs with an open policy that is designed to help American Citizens unbiasedly, yet years later we learn of Federal lawsuits regarding lopsided implementations along racial lines and forget the impact those systems of years of unjust systemic "rigging" have had upon the society we live it today. We learn of gerrymandering designed to weaken voting influence, policies that erode quality of education for Black and Brown children, all the yet while the tax rate remains the same. If Blacks put into the system, the same benefit should be extracted, seems to be common sense yet not a common reality.
Now, back to your question regarding "white activism". I don't know what to tell you, except the terms "black activism" and "white activism" do not have the same meaning, connotation, agenda or practice. I'm open to hearing different as I don't have any real-world experience with being at a "white activist" rally, but I have been to a "black activist" rally or 2 and can say these few things...
1. I've seen Whites at the meetings- I don't agree with this "policy" (for many reasons) but it is what it is and likely an artifact from the same as spoken above
1b. I don't think that a Black person would get the same welcome (or even nonchalant apathy) at a "white activist" rally, they would likely be shown the door with alacrity
2. "Black Activists" mostly focus on "How to" access the legitimate services that are already paid for with Black (and white) tax dollars and it's nearly the same conversations at every meeting (THAT TELLS YOU THAT IT'S A PROBLEM)
2b. Alternate conversations are: since blacks cannot get equal access (or more properly, equal usage) then there are discussions on withdrawal of participation in the tax pool - THIS IS NOT HATE, THIS IS COMMON SENSE- yet this discussion is portrayed and characterized as something other than what it is to demonize it and dissuade those that would strategize, promote and/or participate from exercising such socio-political freedoms.
But this post is a strong swerve away from the topic of discussion and I'm happy to entertain elsewhere.
Well. First, welcome back, Jaybird. Your input was missed.
Second, I believe that I just read the most racist, divisive post that I have read in a long time.
I don’t have time to go point by point, but I dare say Martin Luther King Jr. would be ashamed of you. You clearly have no interest in a color blind society. Victimhood is your calling card.
How sad.
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Minister Farrakhan's dubious wisdom aside, there was almost no racial problem in America until Obama ran for President and the democrats decided to create it anew. That's where all the new racism claims came from.
The utter garbage babbled from the sewer of Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson, among many others was pre-planned, scripted and designed to gin up problems where none existed. It is all about their personal power and fortune, and nothing about civil rights.
Those who pretend that they are civil rights activists are the least civil, and least informed people in the country, based solely on their infamously, ignorant claims.
For instance: Elijah Cummings LIED through his teeth and claimed the democrat party voted to give Blacks the right to vote, when his party voted in lock step against it. That fuels the fire of racial strife and everyone with a brain knows it.
Who appointed the first Black Supreme Court Justice? And the second Black Supreme Court Justice? What party did they represent?
Where but the Supreme Court could a Black man have more impact in the cause of equality?
Why is Clarence Thomas insulted by Black civil rights leaders?
What party fought savagely AGAINST the 1959 Civil Rights Act?
Which party voted as a unanimous block AGAINST giving Blacks the right to vote?
And which party voted to end slavery?
Which party not only invented the KKK but invited them to march at their nominating convention?
Which party voted AGAINST ending Jim Crow Laws as a block?
Why do the democrats and civil rights (faux) activists refuse to address their own racist history and current racist leaders?
Why do the (faux) Black activists REFUSE to address Black on Black crime, the insane percentage of murders committed by Blacks against Whites, while rushing out to riot, kill, burn, and destroy cities anytime they can pretend an outrage, as in the case of the thugs, Trayvon Martin and Michael Brown and many others?
Why is questioning the words, actions and behavior of Black politicians described as racist?
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The Democrats rely on victimization, and dividing us racially, by gender, sexual orientation, ethnicity, etc. They revel in stirring up controversy where there is none, and use the MEDIA in order to successfully do that. Many Blacks, and progressive whites just love this culture. For whites it allows them to Virtue Signal, and address their GUILT. For Blacks is allows them to remain unaccountable for their own predicament.
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Well then. Not completely sure what to say about all that, but I'm glad the post was quoted and saved for posterity. I guess - I disagree with just about ever statement made is a summary(in response to post 55).
I've always heard from the cheap seats that the skin color difference in humans was a vanishingly small part of our overall makeup. Maybe that was wrong, I don't know. Culturally, in the US anyway there is certainly a mega-difference between the two races it would seem. I've never been to either a white or black activist rally, meeting or otherwise, and not inclined to start. Again from the cheap seats, seems to me like black activism is more about finding differences in the two races, and using that to exploit some gain. White activism is sometimes about those differences, and there are certainly small groups which are divisive, but there are also groups which are actively engaged in supporting, or advancing racial harmony.
That's more than I thought I would add.
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Jaybird, there's a ton of what you're saying that I just don't see.
You say we're still having this conversation. Actually, YOU'RE having the conversation. I stopped thinking about this years ago, except when it's bought up to me. I don't live in a racial world. My white privilege is that I really believe that the only thing holding some people back is themselves. And if you tell me that by being post-racial that it makes me racist, I quietly sigh and tune out.
Somewhere in about the 3rd or 4th paragraph, you went off into "great black thinkers" and you lost me. That tells me that you still live in a racial world. I'm not there.
I saw a commercial the other day for a car commercial that talked about major events. The actors in the commercial were black and the female voice-over talked about the American dream - meeting, having children, success in schools and then a massive car crash. But because of the safety of the car, the story didn't end and went onto college, marriage and grandchildren. I vaguely think it was a Subaru commercial.
So let me question - is this accurate? Is it a black american dream to send the kids to college, attend their weddings and play with grandchildren? I have to ask because when I hear the rhetoric, it isn't on the radar. It's all about demanding rights, as if it were still 50 years ago. But I don't understand any rights that I have that any other American citizen doesn't have. If anyone can show me those rights, I'll be right there with you to ensure that we all have them, but over the past 10 years, every time I've issued this challenge I've either gotten no response or a response that wasn't talking about rights.
So I'm largely ambivalent about the topic, although I can be stirred to care slightly when it's put in front of my face.
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Jaybird, there's a ton of what you're saying that I just don't see.
You say we're still having this conversation. Actually, YOU'RE having the conversation. I stopped thinking about this years ago, except when it's bought up to me. I don't live in a racial world. My white privilege is that I really believe that the only thing holding some people back is themselves. And if you tell me that by being post-racial that it makes me racist, I quietly sigh and tune out.
Somewhere in about the 3rd or 4th paragraph, you went off into "great black thinkers" and you lost me. That tells me that you still live in a racial world. I'm not there.
I saw a commercial the other day for a car commercial that talked about major events. The actors in the commercial were black and the female voice-over talked about the American dream - meeting, having children, success in schools and then a massive car crash. But because of the safety of the car, the story didn't end and went onto college, marriage and grandchildren. I vaguely think it was a Subaru commercial.
So let me question - is this accurate? Is it a black american dream to send the kids to college, attend their weddings and play with grandchildren? I have to ask because when I hear the rhetoric, it isn't on the radar. It's all about demanding rights, as if it were still 50 years ago. But I don't understand any rights that I have that any other American citizen doesn't have. If anyone can show me those rights, I'll be right there with you to ensure that we all have them, but over the past 10 years, every time I've issued this challenge I've either gotten no response or a response that wasn't talking about rights.
So I'm largely ambivalent about the topic, although I can be stirred to care slightly when it's put in front of my face.
For the most part, I believe that's exactly what most Black people want to do. The problem comes in where there is a created hoop to jump through or a direct opposition where the law says there should not exist such a problem/hoop to jump through. Then one is forced to ask the question: "Why did this happen to me?" When a White person asks that question, the range of available choices < > the same range of choices that a Black person has in a White dominated society. To further add insult to injury, White people (some who are genuine, yet sorely misinformed or others who purposefully firmly keep head entrenched under sand) counter with rose-colored responses that would-be in a world that Black people simply do not live in.
Case in point is the fact that many members of this board by and large does not listen to, heed or even attempt to understand me, a successfulBlack man in America who served and deployed as a member of the Armed Forces who makes an earnest attempt to give you a glimpse into America from the Black perspective. It is you who have cultural blinders on and attempt with all fervor to gaslight me into denying the reality that 80% of my brethren live through. I can identify with them and refuse to ignore them because I've seen some of it 1st hand and have also been forced to ask the question: "Why did this happen to me?" and despite my best efforts to look for self to blame and self-correct, I continue to be confronted with the reality that I would not have been in that predicament, having to skillfully maneuver if I wore a different face.
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Well. First, welcome back, Jaybird. Your input was missed.
Second, I believe that I just read the most racist, divisive post that I have read in a long time.
I don’t have time to go point by point, but I dare say Martin Luther King Jr. would be ashamed of you. You clearly have no interest in a color blind society. Victimhood is your calling card.
How sad.
Thank you for the "welcome back" I appreciate it, Stan.
I'm vaguely interested in why...enough to wait for your response.
I'm also going to posit, that you have no idea what Dr. King would say about my words. In fact, most people who praise Dr. King today only do so because he's not here to provide up-to date context for you. But in his day, many people were afraid of Dr. King and especially the direction that he was headed, so I will quote him (emphasis mine):
First, I must confess that over the last few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action;" who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a "more convenient season."
Shallow understanding from people of goodwill is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection.
Why is it the "regrettable conclusion"? I'll tell you why. Because he was fed-up with platitudes, pipe-dreams and promises that the promiser hasn't the power to fulfill.
I've said it before and I'll say it again: You cannot legislate the way people feel. And this is why Dr King said that he preferred outright rejection than lukewarm acceptance (BS platitudes). You say you love me (a Christian value), then let your actions prove it! Otherwise, do not claim something that you haven't the intention of living up to; that's called hypocrisy which is a sin in any religion.
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For the most part, I believe that's exactly what most Black people want to do.
The problem comes in where there is a created hoop to jump through or a direct opposition where the law says there should not exist such a problem/hoop to jump through. Then one is forced to ask the question: "Why did this happen to me?" When a White person asks that question, the range of available choices < > the same range of choices that a Black person has in a White dominated society. To further add insult to injury, White people (some who are genuine, yet sorely misinformed or others who purposefully firmly keep head entrenched under sand) counter with rose-colored responses that would-be in a world that Black people simply do not live in.
Case in point is the fact that many members of this board by and large does not listen to, heed or even attempt to understand me, a successfulBlack man in America who served and deployed as a member of the Armed Forces who makes an earnest attempt to give you a glimpse into America from the Black perspective. It is you who have cultural blinders on and attempt with all fervor to gaslight me into denying the reality that 80% of my brethren live through. I can identify with them and refuse to ignore them because I've seen some of it 1st hand and have also been forced to ask the question: "Why did this happen to me?" and despite my best efforts to look for self to blame and self-correct, I continue to be confronted with the reality that I would not have been in that predicament, having to skillfully maneuver if I wore a different face.
Once again, you come from the standpoint of assuming racism. You assume that in a "white dominated society", a black person must be minimalized? Why, white people don't believe that.
You accuse us of have racial blinders on...and then want to say that makes us racist? Think about that while I tune out...
You want the American Dream?
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Once again, you come from the standpoint of assuming racism. You assume that in a "white dominated society", a black person must be minimalized? Why, white people don't believe that.
You accuse us of have racial blinders on...and then want to say that makes us racist? Think about that while I tune out...
You want the American Dream?
No, I do not.
“If you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth.” - Mr. Spock
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Once again, you come from the standpoint of assuming racism. You assume that in a "white dominated society", a black person must be minimalized? Why, white people don't believe that.
You accuse us of have racial blinders on...and then want to say that makes us racist? Think about that while I tune out...
If you want a solution to America's social problems then you have to deal with race. Otherwise we need not discuss another problem.
I feel that it is not only my patriotic duty, but my civic duty to point out the wrong with the hopes that it will be corrected, not to play the blame game. If the offender happens to be White and the offense adversely affects Blacks then by deflecting, defending and otherwise denying and then gaslighting (Number7 is expert at it)- I submit to you that is racist.
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Seems to be some blame-game going on here.
A young black man fails to live up to his potential, and rather than looking in the mirror, it's much easier to point the fickle finger at 1-School, 2-Society, 3-Oppression, 4-someone, anyone with white skin. To which I have to then ask: 1-Did you STAY in school, and get your diploma? 2-Are you constantly pissed at everyone who is not Just Like You out there? 3-If someone has oppressed you, what did you personally do about it? Confront them? Go around them? Appeal to authority? Do you have a specific complaint, or does it devolve to 'whitey keep me down'? 4-If you think someone with white skin is the problem, do you think someone with black skin has your solution? Cuz - I gotta say, what I've seen is failure from within. Ultra-high dropout rates. Teen pregnancy. Missing fathers. etc. I seriously doubt that some white guy made one leave school, get his GF pregnant, abandon the girl, smoke dope, hang out with deadbeats.
We know that blacks can be successful, but they aren't going to be successful sitting on a couch, watching BET reruns. And just to bait the hook a little more, if we are looking for blame, how about we point the fickle finger at the SUCCESSFUL black man? Kicks some ass, use your bully pulpit to show how to be responsible on your own. So the outlook is bad, trust me on this - it could be 1938 in Germany wearing a star of David on your coat.
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No, I do not.
“If you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth.” - Mr. Spock
Are you saying you don't accuse us of putting blinders on and then calling us racist,
or are you saying you do not want the American dream?
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If you want a solution to America's social problems then you have to deal with race. Otherwise we need not discuss another problem.
I feel that it is not only my patriotic duty, but my civic duty to point out the wrong with the hopes that it will be corrected, not to play the blame game. If the offender happens to be White and the offense adversely affects Blacks then by deflecting, defending and otherwise denying and then gaslighting (Number7 is expert at it)- I submit to you that is racist.
Why do I have to DEAL WITH RACE? That is racist in itself. I don't see race, it doesn't matter to me. Why do I have to be forced to deal with something that is a non issue? I guess dealing with it by your standards would be to support every Affirmative Action program for Blacks, and feel guilty for the past, right? No thanks. Go take your racism elsewhere.
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No, I do not.
“If you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth.” - Mr. Spock
You moron, that was Sherlock Holmes.
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You moron, that was Sherlock Holmes.
Originally, yes.
But Spock did utter those words too.
Jaybird is no moron. He is just wrong about a lot of things.
Speaking of which, you two have a lot in common.
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Jaybird, one of the things I respect about you is the same thing I respect in every person who is successful. That is, you did what it took to be a success.
The thing that makes me grit my teeth when I read many of your posts is the sense of outrage you seem to feel that EVERY Black man isn't equally successful.
Well guess what? Everyone has the same opportunity, Many (actually most) refuse to work it to the end result. Those who do are the winners. Everybody else works for them.
When you buy into the blind racism that everyone who refuses to agree is racist, and expect people to buy it, you are the racist for thinking your opinion is he only acceptable conclusion.
The race card is so overused, that when you play it, you loose me. I don't care how hard you think you had it, any more than you care how hard I worked to succeed. Just because you think your road was so awful, or tough, or long, or hard, doesn't obligate anyone to care.
I have a news flash for you.
Everybody's life is hard. Everyone was held back, held up, taken advantage of, or abused on the way to success.
Assuming that a black man had a struggle because of racism ignores the reality. It may be perceived racism on your part, but typically, in this age, people judge others on the content of their character, their work, and their dependability. Not their skin color.
In my experience people obsessed with pointing to others and crying racism are more often than not, the real racist in the discussion.
You want to claim I'm a racist for daring to call it like I see it, enjoy yourself, but I know how brutally blind you are when you do.
And, by the way, your 'gaslighting' claim is pure projection.
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Case in point is the fact that many members of this board by and large does not listen to, heed or even attempt to understand me, a successfulBlack man in America who served and deployed as a member of the Armed Forces who makes an earnest attempt to give you a glimpse into America from the Black perspective. It is you who have cultural blinders on and attempt with all fervor to gaslight me into denying the reality that 80% of my brethren live through.
I hear you saying that the members here aren't trying to hear what you're saying - to try to step in your shoes and look at it from your perspective. That's a very legitimate point. So to start from the complete opposite viewpoints:
A black person: "There is subtle racism everywhere even if it's not overt."
A white person: "You are imagining things that aren't true, ascribing slights to racism where it doesn't exist. America is no longer racist for the most part."
In my experience when people are this far apart, the truth is somewhere in between. I'm quite sure there is racism all the time. I'm also sure people see racism sometimes when it doesnt exist. There was a YouTube video that unfortunately I can't find now, where a black woman wondered if it was "racist" when a white waitress asked her if she wanted hot sauce on her eggs or something like that. Is that the sort of thing you mean when you say "gaslighting"? That that example would be racism and people are trying to tell you it isn't when you think it is?
I'd be curious what specific example you can give that would illustrate what you are saying the members here aren't understanding. Speaking for myself I'm open to learning.
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If you want a solution to America's social problems then you have to deal with race. Otherwise we need not discuss another problem.
I feel that it is not only my patriotic duty, but my civic duty to point out the wrong with the hopes that it will be corrected, not to play the blame game. If the offender happens to be White and the offense adversely affects Blacks then by deflecting, defending and otherwise denying and then gaslighting (Number7 is expert at it)- I submit to you that is racist.
Begging your pardon, but I am not allowed to deal with race. If a white man says a word about race, they are almost immediately labelled racist.
I am granted no authority to say a word to a black person about racism. They will not listen to me. Despite the fact that I think I have a fairly good understanding, they do not want to hear my suggestions. Doing so would be more likely to get me lynched than to create any improvement.
So...how would you suggest I "solve" racism? Keep in mind that my family is Irish. I'm just the third generation climbing out of our own racism mess. I know that when I talked about it with my grandfather, he didn't wring his hands and bemoan his lot for being Irish. He told stories about just quietly keeping on with his business, about keeping working, keeping saving. He retired a millionaire several times over by doing nothing more than running his own business, keeping his head down and not looking for anyone else to solve his problems. I'm sure that as a successful businessman, you recognize the value of those characteristics. Are they part of "black culture"? I"m not allowed to offer an opinion, so you tell all of us.
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Yeah, the last thing any black wants to hear from me is my op-ed on racism, and black cultural failings. No matter what I say, it'll always devolve to "you don't know about blah-blah-blah, cuz you aren't black". Well excuse me for living through it, but not everyone who's had a rough go is because of their skin color.
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Here's some light reading material
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pigford_v._Glickman
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-01-18/u-s-supreme-court-halts-redrawing-of-north-carolina-voting-map
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/grade-point/wp/2017/11/09/courts-side-with-maryland-hbcus-in-longstanding-case-over-disparities-in-state-higher-education/?utm_term=.2e0625ed520d
and for some US history fun
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedmen's_Bureau
Afterwards, discover the factors that led to the Bureau being closed. Hint: although race wasn't the only factor, it was the most prominent.
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Here's some light reading material
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Yeah, sorry. You called me racist and pretty much lost authority to make recommendations to me. I am tuning out again.
If you reach a point that you want to have a positive discussion without a presumption of racism, maybe you can get me to care. Meanwhile, I have my own problems to deal with, I don't have room for the negativity.
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The way out of a racist society is for those on the receiving end (blacks) to EARN the respect of those on the "racist" side (whites).
White people can't earn that respect for blacks. They have to earn it themselves, even if it is an uphill battle.
I admit to having racist feelings at times. It is usually brought on when I observe the bad actions of specific blacks. On the other hand, I often see hope for our society, which is usually when I observe a black person performing in a way deserving of respect, or when I see black and white people interacting in a friendly, sometimes romantic, way.
I see the former less and less and the latter more and more. But what I hear from "black activists" and liberal media is the opposite. I feel it is those black activists and liberal media that are keeping the races divided, similarly to how they keep the political parties divide
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The Liberal/Progressive myth is that someone else, or something else (government) can "EMPOWER" you. You often hear this connected with Oprah style demented women. Only YOU can empower yourself. It is called character, work, strife, sacrifice, education, skill, and accomplishment.
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One of the most disgusting things about the Black separatist movement is one of their icons is Farrakhan, the man who proclaimed that, "Hitler was Great," and that whites were, "potential human beings."
When Jaybird rants about our obligation to listen to his obsession with racism, I always think of the man he worships. I have no intention of seeking wisdom from the worst racist in America. Those who do have no credibility to demand anything from me, or anyone else.
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The way out of a racist society is for those on the receiving end (blacks) to EARN the respect of those on the "racist" side (whites).
White people can't earn that respect for blacks. They have to earn it themselves, even if it is an uphill battle.
I admit to having racist feelings at times. It is usually brought on when I observe the bad actions of specific blacks. On the other hand, I often see hope for our society, which is usually when I observe a black person performing in a way deserving of respect, or when I see black and white people interacting in a friendly, sometimes romantic, way.
I see the former less and less and the latter more and more. But what I hear from "black activists" and liberal media is the opposite. I feel it is those black activists and liberal media that are keeping the races divided, similarly to how they keep the political parties divide
Sounds good initially until further inspection reveals that it's the formula for maintaining the status quo
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One of the most disgusting things about the Black separatist movement is one of their icons is Farrakhan, the man who proclaimed that, "Hitler was Great," and that whites were, "potential human beings."
When Jaybird rants about our obligation to listen to his obsession with racism, I always think of the man he worships. I have no intention of seeking wisdom from the worst racist in America. Those who do have no credibility to demand anything from me, or anyone else.
I challenge you to go find the quote and context in which the words, "Hitler" and "Great" were uttered by him. I'll wait.
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I challenge you to go find the quote and context in which the words, "Hitler" and "Great" were uttered by him. I'll wait.
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That didn' take long, but we all know that Jaybird was only attempting to swerve to avoid the truth. By demanding someone do some research for him, he avoids the actual facts for a little longer.
As I said, Farrakhan is among the the worst, if not the worst racist in America.
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Damn, that’s gonna leave a mark...
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Here's some light reading material
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pigford_v._Glickman
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-01-18/u-s-supreme-court-halts-redrawing-of-north-carolina-voting-map
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/grade-point/wp/2017/11/09/courts-side-with-maryland-hbcus-in-longstanding-case-over-disparities-in-state-higher-education/?utm_term=.2e0625ed520d
and for some US history fun
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedmen's_Bureau
Afterwards, discover the factors that led to the Bureau being closed. Hint: although race wasn't the only factor, it was the most prominent.
I read them. A whole lot of evidence here that the things that are bad for blacks are Democrats, government "solutions" to problems, and socialist programs in general. The things that are good for blacks are what's good for everyone; an individual struggling to find his own pathway to success, in the context of a healthy economy.
1. Pigford: Racism by Democrats in the South carrying damaging ramifications for a century, yet blacks insist on staying loyal to the Democrat party and keep believing the lies told by the Democrats that they are the party to right all past wrongs. (Not talking about you Jaybird, I don't know what party you belong to or how you vote.). Yet here is the evidence right before us, with this improving economy, that the conservative policies of cutting taxes and freeing up regulatory strangleholds on the economy is the true path to success for blacks as well as everyone.
The solution to improving lives for blacks is not top down management from above but rather organic growth from a free and thriving economy. When the economy thrives it opens doors for everyone. Even if people are still racist and hire a white over a black, a thriving economy means more jobs and people then must resort to hiring the black. Not fair but it does get your foot in the door and give you a chance to prove yourself. But by insisting on eradicating that remaining unfairness blacks support the party that promises this yet fails time and again to do it (because you cannot legislate human nature) and furthermore strangles and kills that very thriving economy that supports more jobs for everyone.
Something this article doesn't address is maybe farming isn't that viable a way to success anymore. Loans to blacks might be curtailed because those loans made were defaulted on because small farms in general are declining, and maybe whites were defaulting also. The failure of blacks to farm is then blamed on racism but possibly a more root cause is that it's harder to survive being a small farm in general due to technology and the rise of mechanized economies of scale in agriculture.
It's typical in many articles about racism that I do not see a comprehensive broad discussion of the landscape behind the issue which often gives a deeper understanding why people are experiencing certain difficulties.
2. North Carolina voting map: gerrymandering is wrong for all parties but over the years I have seen that the Democrats don't want fair boundaries, they want to do what the Republicans did; skew them in their favor. Two wrongs don't make a right. I agree with Justice Clarence Thomas on this issue: Race should NOT be a factor in drawing district lines.
3. Higher education- my problem with this entire case is that once again it presupposes a socialist solution to a human problem - a top down forcing of markets and behaviors. We are starting from the assumption that government owes us all a higher education - that isn't even questioned- and the article then bemoans that the government isn't applying its funds fairly between black and white institutions. Maybe the basic assumption is wrong. Left entirely to an unregulated free market, perhaps anyone can get the education they seek and if it is too expensive, competitors will enter the market until it's affordable. But this libertarian viewpoint has never been allowed a trial.
We also are under the assumption that everyone needs a collage education and that a four year degree is necessary for success. That supposition is now being debunked for those who are paying attention. Once again the truth is that in the area of education as in all others, a thriving economy results in more opportunities for all races. In good economic times black institutions were funded well by philanthropy and government (unequally maybe but still well). In bad economic times these funds dried up and black education suffered.
Once again I say there might be inequality but when times are good for everyone, blacks do better. And times tend to be good when economic policy allows free market competition.
One of the best jobs for freed blacks and their descendants during the rise of the rail industry was to be porters and conductors on trains. When the government destroyed the rail industry in a badly misguided attempt to address their admittedly monopolistic ways, those jobs dried up.
Government that keeps its hands off industry and the economy creates conditions that improve things for blacks. Government that strangles and over-regulates and over-taxes, creates conditions that worsen things for blacks.
4. The Freedmen's Bureau: A Band-Aid; oh like so many government "fixes" of huge problems. By making a sudden and sweeping declaration that slaves are all now free we have a massive population now cut loose to fend for themselves and whites suddenly relieved of their "property" with hence now NO incentive to help. The entire institution of slavery was a horrific monster created by forcibly removing humans from their native homeland, requiring them to work in unfamiliar conditions and alien culture in exchange for "we'll feed you just enough to keep you alive" but at least there's that, and the emancipation removed even that. Now we have freed people in need of jobs and we have jobs in need of people (field work and housework) so the obvious solution is a transformation to a free wage and salary based labor market, but more than that, the vision was to assimilate this population into white culture complete with college education and equal social status to pedigreed descendants from Western Europe. Yeah right like there's a snowball's chance that'll happen in one generation. (Hint: it's going to require centuries of interracial marriage and cultural mixing.)
And we are surprised there was massive white hostility to this? And we are surprised blacks couldn't just on the whole step up to intellectual and productive equality to a well nourished privileged white? Yes great support and assistance was needed. The product of multiple generation slavery was a person less nourished, severed connections to his own blood kin, no wealth at all, no system of jobs in place in which to try to build any wealth, little liiteracy or sophistication in dealing with the functioning dominant culture. Multiply this by massive numbers and place them in the middle of this dominant culture but not allow them to actually be a member of it - more like a parallel universe co-existing, one in which the freed slaves had virtually no tools with which to break through that barrier and join the other side, or bring that success over to theirs. (But the latter is exactly what they did, eventually; there was a rise of black professionals; doctors, lawyers, businessmen, teachers - when economic times were good.)
But immediately post war, how do you quickly fix this? As the article points out, you can't. Eventually white southern hostility forced the bureaus closure and please note once again it was the Democrats doing this. The Democrats opposed giving the freed black man the vote, the Democrats pushed the close the bureau.
Anyhoo aside from the failure of a quick and painless redress of centuries of slavery, little by little and one by one, solutions were found. Former slaves kept as servants, field workers tenants. These were imperfect and inequitable solutions and often barely a step above slavery but they were a first step however small. We go through state and local laws against blacks, once again government being anti-freedom, and at best the federal government's top down attempt to fix which in the end, like all government programs, it was only a drop in the bucket. The real reason blacks recovered from the horrific mire of their past was individual effort along with gradual social change AND - have you got the message yet? - economic booms in general.
Turns out, when you look at wealth and employment and quality of life among blacks since the Civil War, you see a positive correlation with the economy in general. It does well, blacks do well, it does poorly, blacks do poorly. True blacks always do more poorly than whites, but nevertheless their ups and downs correlate all the same with the economy.
So here is where we stand: Black activists today concentrate on the difference between black and white of the lines on the graph. "The white line is always above the black line, that's not fair!" they say. But they completely disregard the fact that BOTH lines move up when the economy improves.
Where do we actually have power? We have power to move both lines up or down. Lower corporate taxes, more jobs open up, more blacks get work, black wealth and success goes up. White wealth and success goes up too and white's total is still higher than black's. But blacks are still better off. But black community leaders and Democrat politicians ignore this because to point it out will remove their power. The power relies on getting money and votes by stirring up black emotions about racism. If they actually cared about how blacks fare in reality, they would focus on what raises the line of wealth and success for blacks, regardless of whether whites are also better off too.
Do we have the power to quickly make the difference between the black and white line disappear? Apparently not. The factors responsible for that difference are many and complex. I keep going back to the inner cities but that is where a huge portion of black unemployment and poverty is concentrated. If we solve that problem, the difference between the lines would be much reduced. What are the biggest causes of that problem? The loss of manufacturing jobs and small business opportunities in the inner cities. Nothing to do with racism, everything to do with tax and trade and macro economic policy and with local and federal burdensome regulations on businesses. (Once again predominantly Democrat doings.) Also the very failed war on drugs. (Some Republican here.) If ever there was a racist war, this is it: take jobs away from inner cities and then make drugs illegal creating a way for inner city men to earn lots of money for a short time before being killed or imprisoned. But we are a long way from fixing these inner city problems due to people's general stupidity understanding these factors and the greed and money being made at the high levels of corrupt politicians and corrupt business (the prison industry for one).
Racial healing and harmony will only come about when all people have barriers removed from their climb to wealth and success. Black activists focus too much on real or perceived racism and not enough on policy that is good for the economy in general. You cannot achieve wealth and success and equality by punishing whites, or by transferring white wealth to blacks. All that does is kill the goose that lays the golden egg not to mention cause whites to really, really hate you and cause blacks to become dependent on wealth transfer entitlements, making them obligated to vote for the party that has been more responsible than any other for keeping them down: the Democrats.
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As I stand back and look at the types of things that seem to trigger Jaybird in these discussions I am convinced that he is not at all interested in improving life situations for black citizens.
He seems to far more intent on blaming whites, demanding that we join in blaming ourselves for some make believe slight he’s heard about, invented, articulated, become further offended because we don’t immediately fall on our faces, tear our clothes and beg his forgiveness for whatever imagined slight he is blathering over, that never has a single thing to do with any of us, or our parents generation.
People who are obsessed with playing victim card find things to twist into scenarios that they can then use to turn on others, in order to get attention and justify their own failures, are often simply too self centered to engage in healthy debate.
Jaybird has decided that the bullshit his black separatist heroes are babbling is HIS gospel.
No amount of reason, factual interchange, or logical leading seems capable of breaching the walls of denial he has built around his imagined slights.
The unhappiness in his life is self inflicted, self invented, and self flagellating but all the blame gets spat on us for being white, or educated, or successful, or any thing he feels so proud of having achieved in his life.
When it’s him, it’s all about success and endurance, and overcoming the adversities he has endured, thinks he endured, imagined what it would be like to endure, or plain made up. He got to be successful by exploiting the opportunities provided to all Americans, but still feels righteous in hating us for succeeding.
The combination of jealousy, egotism, projection, and outright delusion is not uncommon. It’s just not attractive.
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A good read is “My Grandfather’s Son”, which is Clarence Thomas’ autobiography. It’s a life story of a man who suffered sever poverty and racism, and rose up against to and in spite of it to graduate from the College of the Holy across and then Yale Law. My daughter went to HC so that inspired me to read his book.
An interesting twist was that powerful people believed that Thomas earned his law degree due to affirmative action, and not his own efforts. He put a fifteen cent cigar sticker on his Yale degree to remind himself what that was worth.
Contrast his efforts to better himself, improve his lot in life, with the “solutions” being offered by today’s black activists and leaders, and you’ll see why I have great pessimism for the future of race relations in this country.
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A good read is “My Grandfather’s Son”, which is Clarence Thomas’ autobiography. It’s a life story of a man who suffered sever poverty and racism, and rose up against to and in spite of it to graduate from the College of the Holy across and then Yale Law. My daughter went to HC so that inspired me to read his book.
An interesting twist was that powerful people believed that Thomas earned his law degree due to affirmative action, and not his own efforts. He put a fifteen cent cigar sticker on his Yale degree to remind himself what that was worth.
Contrast his efforts to better himself, improve his lot in life, with the “solutions” being offered by today’s black activists and leaders, and you’ll see why I have great pessimism for the future of race relations in this country.
Though it will probably trigger Jaybird to have me call attention to a Jew, when EVERYTHING is supposed to be about blacks, but Kirk Douglas wrote a truly wonderful book about his life.
The Ragpicker’s Son is inspiring for all the right reasons. Nothing stopped Kirk from succeeding. He CHOSE to ignore all the anti Semitism that dogged his early years and rose above the rabble of his haters to succeed beyond his every fantasy.
Instead of wallowing in his tears, he manned up and achieved.
It’s because of success stories like Clarence Thomas and Kirk Douglas, I have little, to no sympathy for the whiner, black separatist, crybabies.
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2. North Carolina voting map: gerrymandering is wrong for all parties but over the years I have seen that the Democrats don't want fair boundaries, they want to do what the Republicans did; skew them in their favor. Two wrongs don't make a right. I agree with Justice Clarence Thomas on this issue: Race should NOT be a factor in drawing district lines.
Republicans in NC are just doing what Democrats have done for 50 years. 20 years ago Republicans sued over the district maps and were told that political gerrymandering was not prohibited - as a result, Democrats controlled the Legislature for 50 years until they fell asleep 8 years ago. Now when Republicans do it, Democrats sue and are told that political gerrymandering is wrong.
I agree that gerrymandering is wrong, but I also think it's incredibly selfish, shallow and pigheaded for Democrats to now complain when they're on the receiving end of what they've done for decades.
I trace a lot of the problems with our government back to the fact that our binary system encourages two fanatic extremists competing for a seat. Gerrymandering encourages that because rather than appealing to the middle, candidates appeal to the fringes. Only about 25 seats in Congress are actually competitive, the rest are determined by who wins the primary and therefore are determined by the fringe.
Should get back to triggering Michael....
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That didn' take long, but we all know that Jaybird was only attempting to swerve to avoid the truth. By demanding someone do some research for him, he avoids the actual facts for a little longer.
As I said, Farrakhan is among the the worst, if not the worst racist in America.
....and you obviously didn't view the 2 minute clip.
The primary barrier to learning or understanding anything is the mental attitude that says that you already know.
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Rush wrote a lot. So much of it I agree with that it's not worth my mentioning the small bits that I think may be missing from his analysis.
You all can learn a lot from him.
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....and you obviously didn't view the 2 minute clip.
I did, and Farrakhan is praising Hitler and calling him a "great man".
You wrote:
I challenge you to go find the quote and context in which the words, "Hitler" and "Great" were uttered by him. I'll wait.
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I did, and Farrakhan is praising Hitler and calling him a "great man".
You wrote:
No doubt the Jews shoveling their deceased neighbors into the ovens were commenting to each other (knowing they were next), "Say what you will about the Germans, but that Hitler is a great mensch!"
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....and you obviously didn't view the 2 minute clip.
The primary barrier to learning or understanding anything is the mental attitude that says that you already know.
The primary barrier to happiness and success is the unshakeable certainty that the world is against you. That mentality is so comforting to those who wish to wallow in their bullshit, and use it as an excuse for failure, instead of celebrating their accomplishments.
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As I stand back and look at the types of things that seem to trigger Jaybird in these discussions I am convinced that he is not at all interested in improving life situations for black citizens.
He seems to far more intent on blaming whites, demanding that we join in blaming ourselves for some make believe slight he’s heard about, invented, articulated, become further offended because we don’t immediately fall on our faces, tear our clothes and beg his forgiveness for whatever imagined slight he is blathering over, that never has a single thing to do with any of us, or our parents generation.
Bingo. No matter what I do, no matter how much I give, pay, or are taxed it won't make 'oppressed' blacks happy, and more important I KNOW it won't solve the racial problems. Call me a racist, I don't care anymore. They gonna hate me, no matter if I help or hurt the goals of racial prejudice. So, why bother helping anymore? Cheaper and easier on me to just say 'F.U.' and accept that no matter what I do or give, it won't be appreciated anyway.
meh
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I don't understand why "oppressed" blacks don't get themselves a one-way ticket to West Africa. No one is keeping them here. I'm sure they'll be welcomed with open arms.
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Bingo. No matter what I do, no matter how much I give, pay, or are taxed it won't make 'oppressed' blacks happy, and more important I KNOW it won't solve the racial problems. Call me a racist, I don't care anymore. They gonna hate me, no matter if I help or hurt the goals of racial prejudice. So, why bother helping anymore? Cheaper and easier on me to just say 'F.U.' and accept that no matter what I do or give, it won't be appreciated anyway.
meh
You’re exactly right. There appears to be little or nothing that whites can do to move to a colorblind society. When the race baiters make statements that sound more like 1958 than 2018, what can you do?
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Well sir - I will tell ya how I'm dealing. Folks may not like it, but here goes.
I'm actively de-involving, and avoiding interaction. Same with the feminists. I guess the best way to describe it is the social/economic equivalent of crossing the street when one sees something questionable in the current path. A sort of self-ostricization of my own choosing. Minimize involvement, minimize exposure, minimize drama, minimize risk.
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Well sir - I will tell ya how I'm dealing. Folks may not like it, but here goes.
I'm actively de-involving, and avoiding interaction. Same with the feminists. I guess the best way to describe it is the social/economic equivalent of crossing the street when one sees something questionable in the current path. A sort of self-ostricization of my own choosing. Minimize involvement, minimize exposure, minimize drama, minimize risk.
RACIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Well sir - I will tell ya how I'm dealing. Folks may not like it, but here goes.
I'm actively de-involving, and avoiding interaction. Same with the feminists. I guess the best way to describe it is the social/economic equivalent of crossing the street when one sees something questionable in the current path. A sort of self-ostricization of my own choosing. Minimize involvement, minimize exposure, minimize drama, minimize risk.
We are certainly divided as a society, and that's what the Democrats, Media, and Education want. It enables the Statists, and Globalists to increase dependency, and control by our ever growing government. The Republicans are also on board for the most part.
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Sorry guys, it is what it is. I don't need the aggravation. Fair? Maybe not, don't really care that much. It'll keep my blood pressure down, and my ulcer quiet.
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It's crazy how badly Steingar and Jaybird are triggered by simple facts.
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I did, and Farrakhan is praising Hitler and calling him a "great man".
You wrote:
And you sir are a liar. You didn't LISTEN to the 2min clip. He didn't "praise" Hitler, he disavowed association with Hitler. The background (as if you care) stems from his support of Jesse Jackson's run for the 1984 presidency and Jewish activist and protesters called for Jackson and Farrakhan's death and called Farrakhan Hitler. They started it, not the other way around. It's been still going on since then.
Then a soundbite gets tossed around "Hitler was a great man" and that's the end of it. GTFOH.
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Bingo. No matter what I do, no matter how much I give, pay, or are taxed it won't make 'oppressed' blacks happy, and more important I KNOW it won't solve the racial problems. Call me a racist, I don't care anymore. They gonna hate me, no matter if I help or hurt the goals of racial prejudice. So, why bother helping anymore? Cheaper and easier on me to just say 'F.U.' and accept that no matter what I do or give, it won't be appreciated anyway.
meh
Money isn't the direct solution. You're right. But you can use your voice to stand up for Justice and fair application of law where you see that it's not being done. Nothing more can be asked of you.
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And you sir are a liar. You didn't LISTEN to the 2min clip. He didn't "praise" Hitler, he disavowed association with Hitler. The background (as if you care) stems from his support of Jesse Jackson's run for the 1984 presidency and Jewish activist and protesters called for Jackson and Farrakhan's death and called Farrakhan Hitler. They started it, not the other way around. It's been still going on since then.
Then a soundbite gets tossed around "Hitler was a great man" and that's the end of it. GTFOH.
Your fuckin' delusional, just like the bigoted racist anti semitic hustler you worship blindly. All your dear leader does is push hatred and racism and people like you fall for his brand of hatred.
Twist it anyway you want jackass, but any sane reasonable person viewing that clip as well as knowing the history of that failed calypso singer you worship knows better.
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Money isn't the direct solution. You're right. But you can use your voice to stand up for Justice and fair application of law where you see that it's not being done. Nothing more can be asked of you.
Well, first - money for special racial programs is and has been taken from me without my opinion being asked. It's all part and parcel of making a living, paying taxes, and watch them go to programs I sometimes despise, but many in govt seem to see money as the fixer. As I recall, just a few posts back you were lining up links showing that billions have been paid in the farm bureau scam, and more is being demanded by minorities. So - not like they want arable land to till, they would much rather have cash. Most restitution cases devolve down to money. The next example is the misguided minority loan program of the late 80s which helped BK Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae. But again - I digress.
More important, what makes you think I haven't spoken up? And in speaking up for those who have justified reason for their petition of grievance, do you think that my white voice was appreciated? Think again - oh great sage. I don't have anything to prove to anyone. I've done my bit, paid my dues, sung my song, tried to help. I'm done.
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And you sir are a liar. You didn't LISTEN to the 2min clip. He didn't "praise" Hitler, he disavowed association with Hitler. The background (as if you care) stems from his support of Jesse Jackson's run for the 1984 presidency and Jewish activist and protesters called for Jackson and Farrakhan's death and called Farrakhan Hitler. They started it, not the other way around. It's been still going on since then.
Then a soundbite gets tossed around "Hitler was a great man" and that's the end of it. GTFOH.
You bore me with your never ending make believe outrage.
Get a life.
Don't get a life.
Go fuck yourself.
Go fuck a tranny.
I don't care.
When you lose the race baiting, never ending bullshit, maybe I'll care, but probably not.
Oh... And Farrakhan is a piece of dog shit, in an expensive suit. No wonder you worship him.
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You bore me with your never ending make believe outrage.
Funny you mention never-ending outrage, since outrage is such a large percentage (http://www.pilotspin.com/index.php?action=profile;area=showposts;u=54) of what you post here. Yours is just the opposing outrage, I guess.
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Funny you mention never-ending outrage, since outrage is such a large percentage (http://www.pilotspin.com/index.php?action=profile;area=showposts;u=54) of what you post here. Yours is just the opposing outrage, I guess.
You mean boring like claiming California is running a mutli-billion dollar surplus?
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And you sir are a liar. You didn't LISTEN to the 2min clip. He didn't "praise" Hitler, he disavowed association with Hitler. The background (as if you care) stems from his support of Jesse Jackson's run for the 1984 presidency and Jewish activist and protesters called for Jackson and Farrakhan's death and called Farrakhan Hitler. They started it, not the other way around. It's been still going on since then.
Then a soundbite gets tossed around "Hitler was a great man" and that's the end of it. GTFOH.
YOU are the fucking liar, Jaybird.
Or is the New York Times now racist , too?
Farrakhan Again Describes Hitler as a 'Very Great Man'
SAN FRANCISCO, July 16— Louis Farrakhan, the leader of the Nation of Islam, has repeated for a national television audience his description of Adolf Hitler as ''a very great man.''
http://www.nytimes.com/1984/07/17/us/farrakhan-again-describes-hitler-as-a-very-great-man.html
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You mean boring like claiming California is running a mutli-billion dollar surplus?
I think you rage-imagined the word boring in my post, but I'll bite.
http://www.foxbusiness.com/features/2018/01/10/jerry-browns-legacy-6-1-billion-budget-surplus-in-california.html
https://www.google.com/search?q=california+surplus&client=ms-android-tmobile-us&prmd=nmsiv&source=lnms&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwif24ynvu_YAhUCRa0KHWW5DoUQ_AUIECgA&biw=412&bih=604&dpr=3.5
Now, given Gimp's state of residence, and his reputation as a damn good details guy, I'd be easily swayed if he posted some details about why all those stories aren't true.
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You are a grown man, even if you post like a teenager.
Look into the details like a grown man, instead of imitating Jaybird and demanding others do your work for you.
It’s not even slightly funny. The cost to US taxpayers will run into the hundreds of billions, if not over a trillion dollars when those liabilities come due.
Between correction officers earning pensions that end up over 100% of the ending salary and the many billions siphoned of public infrastructure projects and spent on everything but, California is in serious danger of going under.
California is literally drowning in unfounded liabilities and using accounting tricks like the ones that have Star Wars looking like it’s still in the red, to make such claims.
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I think you rage-imagined the word boring in my post, but I'll bite.
http://www.foxbusiness.com/features/2018/01/10/jerry-browns-legacy-6-1-billion-budget-surplus-in-california.html
https://www.google.com/search?q=california+surplus&client=ms-android-tmobile-us&prmd=nmsiv&source=lnms&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwif24ynvu_YAhUCRa0KHWW5DoUQ_AUIECgA&biw=412&bih=604&dpr=3.5
Now, given Gimp's state of residence, and his reputation as a damn good details guy, I'd be easily swayed if he posted some details about why all those stories aren't true.
There's an old saw about accountants that I'll offer here. Acme corp puts up a help wanted ad for an accountant. First guy come to interview, and the only question is; 'how much is two plus two?', guy says 'four!'. Thanks for coming in. Second guy comes to interview; 'how much is two plus two?'. Same answer by the guy he says 'four!'. Thanks for coming in. Third guy interviews and the same question; 'how much is two plus two?'. Guy gets out his pencil, pad and says; 'what do you want it to be?' 'Welcome to Acme corp!'.
Now, CA has been operating it's budget with a type of accounting called arrears based budgeting. It's common to do that because for the most part, people pay taxes, and states account for budget items in arrears(except state pers and bus income, which is like the fed system). So all is well, right up until 2015 when the gov account board changes the rules, and says that future obligations must be taken into account WHEN INCURRED, even though the payments might last well into the next decade. This is bad news for large states. It forces the state(fair or not) to account for future payments to just about everything, based on contracts that have all the future obligations. Now, although the current 2016 budget was technically 'balanced' and even had a surplus(should never happen in a tax based system. A surplus of tax revenue belongs to the people, not the state), when current funding and current liabilities are taken into account in arrears based budgeting. The fact they had a surplus bodes poorly for that kind of accounting. You can't take money from people, put it off limits, and use it in the future to pay obligations. That is taxation without representation of the worst kind, and FL, CT, and I think IL have been slapped before trying to do stuff like that. The problem with CA is they put it on the ballot, and the IDIOTS of CA voted for a surplus to be kept by the state! Yikes, so it looks like where other states got whacked for it, CA is going to get away with it. Crazy, but you voted for it.
Where does that put us today? The budget is in surplus right now. In fact, they have a slush fund set up for Brown to dip into and pay current obligations, and his pet projects, while ignoring on paper the real tiger of > $200 BILLION in future liabilities over the next 8 years. This is going to BK the state, much like IL, and the sad thing is, the train cannot stop. The simile of Nero fiddling while Rome burned is apt here. Brown is going to leave office patting himself on the back as a budget genius, when all he's doing is kicking the debt can down the road about 3-6 years. If CA doesn't massively raise taxes to fund those pensions, and other state programs like his toy trail - the state will go BK around 2023.
The state has amazingly high tax revenue from many sources. They are lucky that there are a lot of very rich, and very liberal companies and people living there. But - it is not all roses. And the piper will be paid. Unless the state is successful in reducing it's empl liabilities through the court. Frankly, given the court's current make up, I seriously doubt they would get away with any kind of jim-crackery concerning their workers free ride in the future. We will see I guess.
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You are a grown man, even if you post like a teenager.
Look into the details like a grown man, instead of imitating Jaybird and demanding others do your work for you.
It’s not even slightly funny. The cost to US taxpayers will run into the hundreds of billions, if not over a trillion dollars when those liabilities come due.
Between correction officers earning pensions that end up over 100% of the ending salary and the many billions siphoned of public infrastructure projects and spent on everything but, California is in serious danger of going under.
California is literally drowning in unfounded liabilities and using accounting tricks like the ones that have Star Wars looking like it’s still in the red, to make such claims.
Stop projecting, young man!
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There's an old saw about accountants that I'll offer here. Acme corp puts up a help wanted ad for an accountant. First guy come to interview, and the only question is; 'how much is two plus two?', guy says 'four!'. Thanks for coming in. Second guy comes to interview; 'how much is two plus two?'. Same answer by the guy he says 'four!'. Thanks for coming in. Third guy interviews and the same question; 'how much is two plus two?'. Guy gets out his pencil, pad and says; 'what do you want it to be?' 'Welcome to Acme corp!'.
Now, CA has been operating it's budget with a type of accounting called arrears based budgeting. It's common to do that because for the most part, people pay taxes, and states account for budget items in arrears(except state pers and bus income, which is like the fed system). So all is well, right up until 2015 when the gov account board changes the rules, and says that future obligations must be taken into account WHEN INCURRED, even though the payments might last well into the next decade. This is bad news for large states. It forces the state(fair or not) to account for future payments to just about everything, based on contracts that have all the future obligations. Now, although the current 2016 budget was technically 'balanced' and even had a surplus(should never happen in a tax based system. A surplus of tax revenue belongs to the people, not the state), when current funding and current liabilities are taken into account in arrears based budgeting. The fact they had a surplus bodes poorly for that kind of accounting. You can't take money from people, put it off limits, and use it in the future to pay obligations. That is taxation without representation of the worst kind, and FL, CT, and I think IL have been slapped before trying to do stuff like that. The problem with CA is they put it on the ballot, and the IDIOTS of CA voted for a surplus to be kept by the state! Yikes, so it looks like where other states got whacked for it, CA is going to get away with it. Crazy, but you voted for it.
Where does that put us today? The budget is in surplus right now. In fact, they have a slush fund set up for Brown to dip into and pay current obligations, and his pet projects, while ignoring on paper the real tiger of > $200 BILLION in future liabilities over the next 8 years. This is going to BK the state, much like IL, and the sad thing is, the train cannot stop. The simile of Nero fiddling while Rome burned is apt here. Brown is going to leave office patting himself on the back as a budget genius, when all he's doing is kicking the debt can down the road about 3-6 years. If CA doesn't massively raise taxes to fund those pensions, and other state programs like his toy trail - the state will go BK around 2023.
The state has amazingly high tax revenue from many sources. They are lucky that there are a lot of very rich, and very liberal companies and people living there. But - it is not all roses. And the piper will be paid. Unless the state is successful in reducing it's empl liabilities through the court. Frankly, given the court's current make up, I seriously doubt they would get away with any kind of jim-crackery concerning their workers free ride in the future. We will see I guess.
Thanks for the post. I don't disagree with much of that. Unfunded liabilities are a huge issue for lots of states...like more than 40 of them, though CA is especially egregious, but not the worst as I understand it. My salient and limited point in the other thread was that if we can learn anything from California, maybe it involves movement toward a balanced budget. Or hell, how about just less spending to start?
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YOU are the fucking liar, Jaybird.
Or is the New York Times now racist , too?
Farrakhan Again Describes Hitler as a 'Very Great Man'
SAN FRANCISCO, July 16— Louis Farrakhan, the leader of the Nation of Islam, has repeated for a national television audience his description of Adolf Hitler as ''a very great man.''
http://www.nytimes.com/1984/07/17/us/farrakhan-again-describes-hitler-as-a-very-great-man.html
You speak out of both sides of your face depending on convenience. Just a little while ago you were railing against the MSM on your Trump tirade about fake media and now you propose that we accept an uncontested 34yo article, 3rd party report over 1st party video evidence. Even when the speaker clearly said “don’t compare me with (Hitler)”.
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Thanks for the post. I don't disagree with much of that. Unfunded liabilities are a huge issue for lots of states...like more than 40 of them, though CA is especially egregious, but not the worst as I understand it. My salient and limited point in the other thread was that if we can learn anything from California, maybe it involves movement toward a balanced budget. Or hell, how about just less spending to start?
I see. I missed the 'other thread'. As far as balanced budget, I'm all for it, provided much of the balancing follows your 'less spending' premise. For the most part, liberals, progressives, socialists are incapable, or unwilling to go that route. Again, vis-a-vis CA I give you the bullet train to nowhere. I was in SoCal a few months ago, after a long absence. The crumbling of the infrastructure in much of the wealthy state is appalling. Makes me wonder - 'what if the bullet train spending were redirected to I-10, I-5, 101, and I-405'? Image the lanes, high speed ramps, bridges, etc that could be built to help the people of LA right now who suffer from the worst traffic jams in the US. It's been a problem since long before I moved out of the area in 1993. How can a progressive ignore the plight of the people who are living through that hell every day, in favor of some goofy 19th century technology that was eclipsed in 1930s? Back in 1937 one could take a DC-3 from LAX area to San Fran(SFO wasn't built yet) in ~2 hours. Modern time, with all the security is still over 2 hours. Bullet train? WTF?
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You speak out of both sides of your face depending on convenience. Just a little while ago you were railing against the MSM on your Trump tirade about fake media and now you propose that we accept an uncontested 34yo article, 3rd party report over 1st party video evidence. Even when the speaker clearly said “don’t compare me with (Hitler)”.
When you criticized me for gaslighting, you were talking about yourself. Projection is so liberal.
I think a recent photo of you in this article...
It takes a special kind of ignorance to suggest that the media is working on behalf of Republicans. If you follow political media, you know that with very few exceptions, the media acts as the public relations wing of the Democratic party.
MSNBC’s Joy Reid doesn’t see it that way.
The Washington Free Beacon reports:
MSNBC’s Joy Reid Angry Over Coverage of Govt. Shutdown: Media Spin on Behalf of Republicans ‘Predictable’
Left-wing MSNBC host Joy Reid on Monday appeared aggravated about the media’s coverage of the end of the government shutdown, tweeting there was “nothing so predictable as media spin in favor of Republicans.”
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Sorry guys, it is what it is. I don't need the aggravation. Fair? Maybe not, don't really care that much. It'll keep my blood pressure down, and my ulcer quiet.
That is exactly what it is designed to do, shut you up, f them.
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Makes me wonder - 'what if the bullet train spending were redirected to I-10, I-5, 101, and I-405'? Image the lanes, high speed ramps, bridges, etc that could be built to help the people of LA right now who suffer from the worst traffic jams in the US. It's been a problem since long before I moved out of the area in 1993.
No no no. You just don't get it. Cars are bad. Oil is bad. CO2 is bad.
What we need is more bike lanes and public transportation. Force people out of their cars. Gas tax, car tax. Turn car lanes into bike lanes. And run a high speed train to nowhere.
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IF California has used the federal funds (taken from taxpayers at gunpoint) granted for infrastructure instead of welfare, the whole picture might look very different. As it is California will collapse and congress will steal trillions from us to prop them up, without demanding, or getting any changes in how reckless the California legislature and governor are with money.
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That is exactly what it is designed to do, shut you up, f them.
I see. Should I rally, and protest, and generally be a thorn in the side of minorities? At the cost of my own health and lifespan?
Thanks for the advice. I will give it all the attention it warrants.
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I see. I missed the 'other thread'. As far as balanced budget, I'm all for it, provided much of the balancing follows your 'less spending' premise. For the most part, liberals, progressives, socialists are incapable, or unwilling to go that route. Again, vis-a-vis CA I give you the bullet train to nowhere. I was in SoCal a few months ago, after a long absence. The crumbling of the infrastructure in much of the wealthy state is appalling. Makes me wonder - 'what if the bullet train spending were redirected to I-10, I-5, 101, and I-405'? Image the lanes, high speed ramps, bridges, etc that could be built to help the people of LA right now who suffer from the worst traffic jams in the US. It's been a problem since long before I moved out of the area in 1993. How can a progressive ignore the plight of the people who are living through that hell every day, in favor of some goofy 19th century technology that was eclipsed in 1930s? Back in 1937 one could take a DC-3 from LAX area to San Fran(SFO wasn't built yet) in ~2 hours. Modern time, with all the security is still over 2 hours. Bullet train? WTF?
I'll quibble with the bold. Failure to reduce spending is party-agnostic for a long time now. Possible exception: Trump's proposed budget? Haven't done enough study of it.
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More important, what makes you think I haven't spoken up? And in speaking up for those who have justified reason for their petition of grievance, do you think that my white voice was appreciated? Think again - oh great sage. I don't have anything to prove to anyone. I've done my bit, paid my dues, sung my song, tried to help. I'm done.
I have no reason to think you haven't. Actually I think you're likely to do so...again.
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I see. Should I rally, and protest, and generally be a thorn in the side of minorities? At the cost of my own health and lifespan?
Thanks for the advice. I will give it all the attention it warrants.
There's a quote somewhere about "Good men" of silence and Evil prevailing.....let's see, where did I put that thing?
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I'll quibble with the bold. Failure to reduce spending is party-agnostic for a long time now. Possible exception: Trump's proposed budget? Haven't done enough study of it.
DOH! Ya caught me. Yeah - the neo-cons have the same problem, if a somewhat different want/need list. I have to give Trump some cred - he's knocking down the foreign aid nicely. Hoping he can cut plenty more soon. Progs want to run/rule/buy the world with their largesse. It's never enough.... 8)
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There's a quote somewhere about "Good men" of silence and Evil prevailing.....let's see, where did I put that thing?
Show me some evil - I'll bring the firepower. Clive Bundy found some evil being done to him, and I was a few hours from riding out and standing ground. I suspect you woulda helped out too, if you could. Selma, Montgomery, Brown v Board of Ed - I'm right there with ya. BLM smashing things up, and Antifa - I'm sorry but you are gonna go that on your own. If I see someone getting out the big fire-hoses and slamming people around, I've got your back. Until they, tell them to stop doing drugs, get a damn job(any job), don't father kids you aren't married to mom, and for god damn sake - PULL UP YOUR FUCKING PANTS! ::)