PILOT SPIN
Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: acrogimp on January 27, 2016, 10:13:13 AM
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Not a word about the shootout at the Oregon standoff yet - wierd.
One protestor dead, apparently shot with hands up and asking don't shoot according to an eyewitness.
Not good.
'Gimp
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"Hands up, don't shoot?"
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Not a word about the shootout at the Oregon standoff yet - wierd.
One protestor dead, apparently shot with hands up and asking don't shoot according to an eyewitness.
Not good.
'Gimp
Was the protester white?
If he was, it doesn't matter.
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White Lives Don't Matter- to the Press.
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And so it begins.
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And so it begins.
any different than Waco?
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Nope probably not much different...really don't think anyone was picking a real fight...sounds like a happy trigger finger...
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Not much real info out yet.
They were arrested and shot during a traffic stop. Were they armed od did the Police just overreact?
If they were not armed it is not going to be pretty.
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Not much real info out yet.
They were arrested and shot during a traffic stop. Were they armed od did the Police just overreact?
If they were not armed it is not going to be pretty.
FBI special agent in charge Greg Bretzing placed the blame for the deteriorating situation squarely on the protesters.
He added: “Actions are not without consequences."
Draw your own conclusions.
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FBI special agent in charge Greg Bretzing placed the blame for the deteriorating situation squarely on the protesters.
He added: “Actions are not without consequences."
Draw your own conclusions.
“Actions are not without consequences."
unless you are liberal...
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any different than Waco?
I don't know enough about it, but I think we are going to see more resistance to Federal Government over reach. The Feds are out of control, and the reason Trump and Cruz are leading the Republicans. It is also the reason for the record gun sales. Many people just do not trust the Federal Government any longer. They do not trust them to uphold the Constitution.
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This is Waco done twice. The saddest thing is to see a totalitarian regime, which is all the federal government is these days, start murdering citizens for disagreeing with the ruling junta. It makes obama nothing more than a tin horn, third world, crack head dictator, which I knew he was from the start, but the rest of the country will have to see to believe.
Killing the Bundy's is just the tip of the coming iceberg.
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When will they release the dash cam video?
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When will they release the dash cam video?
Excellent question
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This is Waco done twice. The saddest thing is to see a totalitarian regime, which is all the federal government is these days, start murdering citizens for disagreeing with the ruling junta. It makes obama nothing more than a tin horn, third world, crack head dictator, which I knew he was from the start, but the rest of the country will have to see to believe.
Killing the Bundy's is just the tip of the coming iceberg.
Ten years ago, I would have thought this was tinfoil hat conspiracy theory stuff. It is now REALITY.
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When will they release the dash cam video?
Airborne Video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAGxDWKrjPQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAGxDWKrjPQ)
It's pretty uneventful until the 8:14 mark when the white pickup truck with the bed cap suddenly tries to make a run for it.
Then, at the 9:18 mark the truck encounters a roadblock that had been put into place in apparent anticipation of the possibility of that move and plows off the road into a deep snow bank and gets stuck.
At about the 9:22 mark you can see the driver of the truck (Robert "LaVoy" Finicum) exiting the truck and walking into the woods with his hands up over his head.
At the 9:29 mark you can see Finicum suddenly reaching toward his waistband as if to draw a gun. Almost immediately the officers closest to Finicum appear to fire at Finicum and Finicum falls to the ground.
At about the 14:48 mark the door to the truck opens again and at the 15:09 mark another figure emerges with his hands up over his head.
At about the 15:14 mark the figure drops something into the snow ahead of him while keeping his hands up over his head. He then moves slowly around the truck toward the officers.
At about the 15:53 mark he appears to surrender to the officers and is taken into custody.
At about the 16:08 mark a third figure emerges from the truck with his hands up over his head. He struggles through the snow and at the 17:00 mark surrenders to the officers and is taken into custody.
At about the 17:21 mark a fourth figure emerges from the vehicle and following the same procedure as the two before him he surrenders and is taken into custody at about the 18:26 mark.
At about the 19:30 mark officers approach the truck. They then appear to search the truck.
Eventually the officers move in cautiously to inspect the apparently lifeless body of LaVoy Finicum.
The rest of the video is mostly just the officers milling about the scene and continuing to search the truck.
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Airborne Video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAGxDWKrjPQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAGxDWKrjPQ)
It's pretty uneventful until the 8:14 mark when the white pickup truck with the bed cap suddenly tries to make a run for it.
Then, at the 9:18 mark the truck encounters a roadblock that had been put into place in apparent anticipation of the possibility of that move and plows off the road into a deep snow bank and gets stuck.
At about the 9:22 mark you can see the driver of the truck (Robert "LaVoy" Finicum) exiting the truck and walking into the woods with his hands up over his head.
At the 9:29 mark you can see Finicum suddenly reaching toward his waistband as if to draw a gun. Almost immediately the officers closest to Finicum appear to fire at Finicum and Finicum falls to the ground.
At about the 14:48 mark the door to the truck opens again and at the 15:09 mark another figure emerges with his hands up over his head.
At about the 15:14 mark the figure drops something into the snow ahead of him while keeping his hands up over his head. He then moves slowly around the truck toward the officers.
At about the 15:53 mark he appears to surrender to the officers and is taken into custody.
At about the 16:08 mark a third figure emerges from the truck with his hands up over his head. He struggles through the snow and at the 17:00 mark surrenders to the officers and is taken into custody.
At about the 17:21 mark a fourth figure emerges from the vehicle and following the same procedure as the two before him he surrenders and is taken into custody at about the 18:26 mark.
At about the 19:30 mark officers approach the truck. They then appear to search the truck.
Eventually the officers move in cautiously to inspect the apparently lifeless body of LaVoy Finicum.
The rest of the video is mostly just the officers milling about the scene and continuing to search the truck.
Appreciate the Cliff's Notes version of events
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Gonna play conspiracy theorist for a minute. Dude gets out of the truck with hands up. What if the FBI says if you have a gun throw it out in front of you. Dude reaches to follow directive and they use it as an excuse to open fire? Quite a stretch I'm sure, just thinking though. If you wanted to make a point, it could be done in that manner and, perhaps, no one would be the wiser. Weirder shit has happened.
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An aviation FB acquaintance of mine actually knew this man and they are very much of a mind he was murdered, he leaves behind a family that he was apparently very devoted to.
Much like Waco and Ruby Ridge this is just a purely avoidable tragedy with missteps taken on both sides - also like those events it is an unfortunate reminder that we cannot rely on the assumed good will and commitment to the Constitution of LEO's in times of conflict. Seems like the lessons of Ruby Ridge in particular were completely ignored.
I am really very troubled by this.
'Gimp
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An aviation FB acquaintance of mine actually knew this man and they are very much of a mind he was murdered, he leaves behind a family that he was apparently very devoted to.
Much like Waco and Ruby Ridge this is just a purely avoidable tragedy with missteps taken on both sides - also like those events it is an unfortunate reminder that we cannot rely on the assumed good will and commitment to the Constitution of LEO's in times of conflict. Seems like the lessons of Ruby Ridge in particular were completely ignored.
I am really very troubled by this.
'Gimp
As is any thinking person.
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A couple things, he drove the suv up onto the snowbank, I'm thinking he couldn't see the agent who jumped into the snow as the suv swerved into the snow. I'm thinking the driver turned to avoid the agent. Had the agent not been there the suv would have continued straight and probably escaped back onto the road, at least until the next roadblock. I think the agent was in front of his own suv and jumped into the snow because he thought his suv was about to rammed.
Second, looking at the video from 9:28 until 9:31 I see what I think is a gun the deceased pulled out. At first I thought this guy pulled the gun out and the shooting was justified, but after reading Gimp's and Eppy's posts I'm having second thoughts. I'm thinking there is more video and probably sound. It would be interesting to see and hear what happened from a ground POV.
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I suspect the administration will finagle a friendly prosecutor, to handle the grand jury, and if it should ever get before a judge it will be another case of rubber stamping murder by cop.