PILOT SPIN
Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: acrogimp on March 23, 2018, 05:11:44 PM
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https://apnews.com/0b31d47019564c738f440a6e307729aa/Trump-signs-$1.3-trillion-budget-after-threatening-veto
If people want to know what could put a chink in the Donald's relationship with his base/supporters, this is it.
100% mistake, he should have vetoed it and let all the Congresscritters hang on their own ineptitude.
This is a surrender of catastrophic proportions unless he pulls it out somehow by tossing it all back on the swampdwellers.
And Ryan and McConnell, last straw for them - they have capitulated and literally given the Dem's everything they wanted, truly, truly a complete shit basket.
Why the fuck elect Republicans if they are just going to govern as Dem's anyway? Hint - this is why I no longer support the Republican Party in any fashion.
A pox on all of them.
'Gimp
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This does not bode well.
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I see it as this, a setup.
Ryan and McConnell, along with their establishment breathern concocted this bill behind closed doors. They know full well it goes against everything and then they bring this out at the last minute and pull an Obamacare style vote on it (We need to vote on this to see what's in it). No debates, no negotiations, ramrod it through.
Trump is in a corner, does he veto it, shut down the government and allow the MSM and the establishment with their progressive friends to beat him about the head with it, or go with it.
Ryan/McConnell knows this won't set well with Trump's base, and this may very well be the catalyst they have been looking for to begin to get him out of office.
Yep, I wish he would have vetoed it. Hopefully the sane members who voted against it will now push for reconciliation and pull some of the fangs out. But with that asswipe Ryan and Mr. Turtle in charge, they will keep that off the floor.
The desperation of the establishment to get Trump out of office is growing. He is disrupting their swamp and they will not have that.
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this is Ryan's SECOND trillion dollar waste and spend bill.
When he was elected speaker, he instantly rushed one through and CLAIMED he was only doing it so that he could carefully construct a superior budget bill that would prioritize needs and cut waste.
Then he did what swamp dwellers do. He lied out his ass and spent like a drunken sailor.
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Two points.
As already mentioned, this a big FU to Trump by the establishment. They can get away with this because Trump will end up with the blame for this.
I don't understand the, "his base will abandon him" sentiment. Does this mean they're going to go vote Democrat so they can get their taxes raised, watch the economy slow down again, get gun control shoved down theirr throat and whatever else that would bring? People really are stupid.
I believe he should have vetoed it and started a war with Congress, guess who has better favorables.
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Two points.
As already mentioned, this a big FU to Trump by the establishment. They can get away with this because Trump will end up with the blame for this.
I don't understand the, "his base will abandon him" sentiment. Does this mean they're going to go vote Democrat so they can get their taxes raised, watch the economy slow down again, get gun control shoved down theirr throat and whatever else that would bring? People really are stupid.
I believe he should have vetoed it and started a war with Congress, guess who has better favorables.
I am not suggesting they'll switch to voting Dem but this is a tremendous disappointment/letdown. That could result in lower voter turn out in the Fall and results from that could be awful.
It clearly was an establishment setup and unlike other politicians, I believe he would have been, essentially, immune from damaging criticism of a shutdown resulting from his veto - this was a complete mistake on his part at both the tactical and strategic level.
It's my opinion that he would win a war with Congress and we would benefit from a cleanout of the swamp dwellers since there would be (eventually) more primary challenges, hopefully more conservative candidates.
The fundamental issue for me is that the establishment R's put their individual power and ego ahead of country and party and president and in so doing will have seriously emboldened the D's which is extremely dangerous.
I cannot effectively say just how angry/disappointed I am - I've said it before, the R's are like battered wives, they simply don't know how to govern as a majority and this will result in losses in the Fall, they may well end up trading their slim majorities for deadlock or minority status and the D's will come out uber left, work to remove Trump and if successful will push to shame Pence into lame duck status - the R's let their fucking hatred for Trump and hardon for their own status drive them to make a petty and shortsighted decision that will cost them, and more importantly us, far too much.
I fucking hate these spineless bastiges, the suckage is strong with them.
'Gimp
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Big mistake Donald. Huuuuuge.
The Republicans SUCK. However, I will never vote Democrat. Never. But the moderates, and undecided will.
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Big mistake Donald. Huuuuuge.
The Republicans SUCK. However, I will never vote Democrat. Never. But the moderates, and undecided will.
Republicans are going to get rocked in November.
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Two points.
As already mentioned, this a big FU to Trump by the establishment. They can get away with this because Trump will end up with the blame for this.
I don't understand the, "his base will abandon him" sentiment. Does this mean they're going to go vote Democrat so they can get their taxes raised, watch the economy slow down again, get gun control shoved down theirr throat and whatever else that would bring? People really are stupid.
I believe he should have vetoed it and started a war with Congress, guess who has better favorables.
I don't see Trump's base abandoning him, because quite frankly anyone who pays attention sees what a shame this is brought to you by Ryan/McConnell and their establishment handlers.
Ryan and McConnell have clearly lied repeatedly about funding the border wall : http://www.redwirenews.com/2018/03/23/paul-ryan-and-mitch-mcconnell-lie-about-funding-the-trump-border-wall/
With any luck after this weekend Ryan will announce his retirement from congress (good riddance). Mr. Turtle will not get reelected after his term because the folks in KY have had enough of him.
The mid terms are months away, a lot can happen between now and then. I still contend the House and Senate will remain with the Republicans, with the Senate gaining a few R seats and the house losing a few seats. But we will have the same problems because of the establishment lock on DC.
And BTW, to show how Mr. Turtle thinks :http://dailycaller.com/2018/03/23/three-dozen-judicial-nominees-await-final-vote/
He decides to leave town and forgo more of the President's nominees.
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https://apnews.com/0b31d47019564c738f440a6e307729aa/Trump-signs-$1.3-trillion-budget-after-threatening-veto
If people want to know what could put a chink in the Donald's relationship with his base/supporters, this is it.
100% mistake, he should have vetoed it and let all the Congresscritters hang on their own ineptitude.
This is a surrender of catastrophic proportions unless he pulls it out somehow by tossing it all back on the swampdwellers.
And Ryan and McConnell, last straw for them - they have capitulated and literally given the Dem's everything they wanted, truly, truly a complete shit basket.
Why the fuck elect Republicans if they are just going to govern as Dem's anyway? Hint - this is why I no longer support the Republican Party in any fashion.
A pox on all of them.
'Gimp
Spot on. Full stop.
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I don't see Trump's base abandoning him, because quite frankly anyone who pays attention sees what a shame this is brought to you by Ryan/McConnell and their establishment handlers.
Ryan and McConnell have clearly lied repeatedly about funding the border wall : http://www.redwirenews.com/2018/03/23/paul-ryan-and-mitch-mcconnell-lie-about-funding-the-trump-border-wall/
With any luck after this weekend Ryan will announce his retirement from congress (good riddance). Mr. Turtle will not get reelected after his term because the folks in KY have had enough of him.
The mid terms are months away, a lot can happen between now and then. I still contend the House and Senate will remain with the Republicans, with the Senate gaining a few R seats and the house losing a few seats. But we will have the same problems because of the establishment lock on DC.
And BTW, to show how Mr. Turtle thinks :http://dailycaller.com/2018/03/23/three-dozen-judicial-nominees-await-final-vote/
He decides to leave town and forgo more of the President's nominees.
Trump’s base won’t abandon him. I agree on that. But we will abandon the GOP Congress, in both houses. This will result in Trump’s impeachment and removal from office, so Trump’s base will never have another opportunity to vote for him.
Let that one sink in.
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This will definitely make me consider my vote more carefully next time.
I have a position on issues like abortion and gun control or what to do with the Dreamers, but they are not my hot buttons.
The economy, and national security are my main issues in national elections. If we have a health economy, we can afford things like better education, better infrastructure, better transportation, better health care, a stronger military and a host of other things. If we have a healthy economy, fewer people will be so stressed out that the turn to crime. Plus, we could afford better law enforcement for those that do turn to crime.
I'm not sure what this $1.3T budget approval is going to lead me to, but I do know it is going to lead me to push for major changes.
My only hope at this point is that Trumps other economic policies pan out. I hope tax reform has the intended consequences. I hope his stance on tarriffs encourages other countries to straighten up and play fair. Those two things could strengthen our economy to the point we could start paying off our deficit. UNLESS WE KEEP SPENDING MONEY LIKE DEMOPUBLICANS!
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Trump’s base won’t abandon him. I agree on that. But we will abandon the GOP Congress, in both houses. This will result in Trump’s impeachment and removal from office, so Trump’s base will never have another opportunity to vote for him.
Let that one sink in.
Don't disagree, that's why we need alternatives to the R's in office that are establishment, and the base needs to start voting these scum out. Staying home, not voting doesn't fix anything, only will make it worse.
There's no doubt who the scumbags are. But the establishment are heavily entrenched and will resort to progressive tactics to preserve their power. These midterms are crucial, and a clear message needs to be sent, but not at the cost of giving the Alt Left progressives power.
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Does KY have anyone that can successfully take out McConnell?
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Does KY have anyone that can successfully take out McConnell?
http://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/347362-poll-mcconnells-approval-in-kentucky-at-18-percent
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Yeah, I can't see a reason to go out and pull the handle for him. He stopped draining the swamp, he's a borrow and spend lib, his twits are all out of proportion to their value. Meh, We survived BO, we'll survive another. Fuck Trump, he fucked us.
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My only hope at this point is that Trumps other economic policies pan out. I hope tax reform has the intended consequences. I hope his stance on tarriffs encourages other countries to straighten up and play fair.
I read this morning that China is offering to redirect purchases of semiconductors from Taiwan and S. Korea to the US to help reduce the trade imbalance with the US. They are also rushing plans to allow foreign companies (American) to hold major stakes in Chinese companies. So even if this is all we get from Trump's "threats and bluster" we will be better off. But that isn't all. Angela Merkel is saying they need to negotiate with the US to avoid a trade war.
I understand the Chinese taking advantage of us. They are our enemy. But I can't understand us allowing the Europeans to take advantage of us and putting up with their tantrums when Trump threatens to make things more even and fair.
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This is part of what Trump signed.
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/03/25/california-tax-break-measure-could-help-ease-states-housing-crunch.html
The camel's nose is under the tent. I will GUARANTEE that with 24 months, all student loans will be able to be forgiven. Another giveaway for petulant, idiotic students costing us trillions.
It’s 2018 and Americans are more burdened by student loan debt than ever.
You’ve probably heard the statistics: Americans owe over $1.48 trillion in student loan debt, spread out among about 44 million borrowers. That’s about $620 billion more than the total U.S. credit card debt. In fact, the average Class of 2016 graduate has $37,172 in student loan debt, up six percent from last year.
Gone, gone, gone
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Wait. The PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES was FORCED to sign the spending bill? Did Putin call? I'm confused.
Comment stolen from a gun forum. About sums it up.
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Blackmail?