Post by: bflynn on September 13, 2018, 05:11:06 PM
Such things have no place in our government. If she cannot provide more than an accusation, then she should be answering questions from the Senate ethics committee on why she should not be removed from the Senate. It is a disgrace for her to attempt to use something like this in such a transparent partisan smear attempt.
I have been told by another source that the woman in question was the judge's girlfriend in high school.
And now is the time to do it because everyone is distracted by a bunch of wind off the Carolina coast.
Post by: Lucifer on September 13, 2018, 05:22:11 PM
When in doubt, cook up a sex smear. And then she was counting on her buds in the FBI to pick it up and run with it, you know, launch an " investigation" to further smear the judge. Fortunately they looked at and dropped it, giving it to the WH to put in the file.
Post by: Lucifer on September 13, 2018, 05:24:56 PM
Post by: Lucifer on September 14, 2018, 05:36:46 AM
Maybe she was thinking Strzok would be put in charge of it, maybe her pal Rosenstein at the DoJ would appoint a Special Prosecutor?
Maybe it's time for Diane to be put in a home.......
Post by: Little Joe on September 14, 2018, 05:48:38 AM
Does anyone else see the irony in this? Feinstein gives a letter of anonymous sources over to the FBI to launch an investigation of Kavanaugh.....................I'm thinking the FBI leaked the letter to Feinstein so she could give it back to them and they would then have enough evidence to open an investigation. Even if Kavanaugh is completely innocent, if you follow the Mueller example, investigating everything and everyone associated with Kavanaugh since his high school days is bound to turn up some misdeeds by some Trump supporter somewhere.
Maybe she was thinking Strzok would be put in charge of it, maybe her pal Rosenstein at the DoJ would appoint a Special Prosecutor?
Maybe it's time for Diane to be put in a home.......
Where did I hear that the supposed victim was his girlfriend at the time. Man, I wonder how much trouble I could get in if they investigated me going back to high school.
Post by: Lucifer on September 14, 2018, 05:57:01 AM
Where did I hear that the supposed victim was his girlfriend at the time. Man, I wonder how much trouble I could get in if they investigated me going back to high school.
Post by: Rush on September 14, 2018, 06:46:45 AM
Where did I hear that the supposed victim was his girlfriend at the time. Man, I wonder how much trouble I could get in if they investigated me going back to high school.
From 30 years ago? I thought we threw off the yoke of puritanism around 1970. Society became more open and accepting of normal biological behavior. This trend now of returning to the idea that any sexual thought is a crime, as long as it's committed by a male, is very disturbing. It's the reverse of before, when it was women who weren't supposed to have a sex drive. Now it's men.
I wish I had a dollar for every male (and female for that matter) that made some sort of pass at me back in the day, yet I have never once been raped or forced upon. I simply verbally slapped them away, because ..... surprise... most men are not rapists! I would not dream of bringing up charges against a man or ruin his career for having tried, no matter how much I disliked him or his politics - which is really what this is about.
Today's atmosphere must be making males terrified to make a pass, but it results in young women failing to learn the art of how to turn them away. This is a very disturbing trend. It's weakening women, not empowering them.
And it's got to be even worse for men. It's always been hard enough for them to figure out whether a female wants them to initiate physical contact or not. Now, even if a woman seems to accept it, there's a danger she will turn around and use it against him decades in the future! No wonder there's a movement among men to forsake women completely.
Post by: Number7 on September 14, 2018, 07:35:50 AM
The fact that the senile old bitch supposedly held the make believe letter for over two months, to save it for a last second broadside is proof enough of how desperate they are to hijack headlines and pretend outrage.
If there was a shred of truth to the claims, then why did the senile bitch hold it for so long? Was she not outraged at the time she came into possession of it? If not, then that is proof that the entire thing is a politically staged event with as little truth an an obama promise, or a hilary speech.
Post by: LevelWing on September 14, 2018, 09:16:53 AM
No doubt it's just a last minute attempt to stop the confirmation from happening. Kavanaugh will be confirmed and we'll move onto the next issue.
Post by: invflatspin on September 14, 2018, 10:42:40 AM
1. A woman in HS more than 35 years ago had some kind of contact with Kavanaugh.
2. They were both in a prep school in Bethesda MD.
3. She did not scream, fight, call the police, or otherwise notify any responsible adult at the time.
4. After Kavanaugh is selected by Trump, she then writes an indictment letter, alleging attempted rape.
5. She sends it to two prominent female, liberal, national politicians on the other side of the country, and not to any law enforcement.
6. Those politicians are aware of it, but do not share it with the local police, or the police in MD, or anyone else until:
7. After the formal advise and consent hearings are done. And then;
8. She publicizes it just enough to do damage, but not enough to allow the suspect to call for an investigation to clear his name of the smear.
9. Right before the vote to confirm him will take place.
Well, this seems completely legit to me! :o
Post by: bflynn on September 14, 2018, 10:56:21 AM
Well, this seems completely legit to me! :o
I didn't know you were a Leftie!
The sad thing is that it IS legit to a lot of them because they are missing some key moral components. Respect for others comes to mind...
Post by: Username on September 14, 2018, 10:57:15 AM
According to the source, Kavanaugh and a male friend had locked her in a room against her will, making her feel threatened, but she was able to get out of the room. The friend doesn't remember the incident. Neither does Kavanaugh. It was never reported or documented.
Post by: Number7 on September 14, 2018, 11:05:37 AM
On Point 4 (from The Guardian):
According to the source, Kavanaugh and a male friend had locked her in a room against her will, making her feel threatened, but she was able to get out of the room. The friend doesn't remember the incident. Neither does Kavanaugh. It was never reported or documented.
Is her name Anita Hill?
Post by: Anthony on September 14, 2018, 11:29:39 AM
Post by: nddons on September 14, 2018, 11:52:18 AM
Is her name Anita Hill?I’m waiting for the disclosure about a pubic hair on a Coke can.
Post by: Rush on September 14, 2018, 12:12:50 PM
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According to the letter, Mr. Kavanaugh, then a student at Georgetown Preparatory School in suburban Washington and now President Trump’s Supreme Court nominee, had been drinking at a social gathering when he and the male friend took the teenage girl into a bedroom. The door was locked, and she was thrown on the bed, the letter says. Mr. Kavanaugh then got on top of the teenager and put a hand over her mouth, as the music was turned up, according to the account.https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/14/us/politics/kavanaugh-assault-allegation-letter.html
But the young woman was able to extricate herself and leave the room before anything else occurred, the letter says.
The woman considered the incident an assault. She has declined to be publicly identified, and asked Senator Dianne Feinstein, the top Democrat on the Judiciary Committee, not to publicize the letter.
The episode took place more than 30 years ago, when all three individuals involved were minors.
THAT'S an assault??? YGBFSM. The bolded part is what I referred to in my other post: The female handled it; two males took "no" for an answer who otherwise would have easily subdued her if they seriously wanted to assault her.
Normal teenage party shenanigans. If this keeps up the human race will not be able to reproduce.
Post by: Lucifer on September 16, 2018, 11:04:21 AM
Their recent desperation is now being ratcheted up. Of course, in their feeble minds all you need is an accusation, well, except if it’s a democrat. That requires proof and then some.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/california-professor-writer-of-confidential-brett-kavanaugh-letter-speaks-out-about-her-allegation-of-sexual-assault/2018/09/16/46982194-b846-11e8-94eb-3bd52dfe917b_story.html?noredirect=on
Post by: Lucifer on September 16, 2018, 05:43:49 PM
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/timothymeads/2018/09/16/kavanaugh-accusers-lawyer-part-of-resistance-big-democrat-donor-and-has-trashed-paula-jones-n2519525
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The Washington Post reported this afternoon that Stanford professor Christine Blasey Ford is the woman behind the confidential letter given to Sen. Dianne Feinstein accusing Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh of sexual assault as a teenager. According to the Post, Ford initially refrained from revealing the alleged information of a horrendous sexual assault due to privacy concerns for herself and her family. But she thought it was her duty to come forward on the record after the advice of Washington lawyer Debra Katz. Katz, however, has a long history of dismissing sexual assault allegations against liberal politicians, donating to left-wing causes, and even publicly demonizing all Trump advisors as "miscreants" who are worse than deplorables.
Post by: bflynn on September 16, 2018, 06:52:54 PM
Diane Feinstein should be in front of the Senate Ethics committee over this stunt.
Post by: Lucifer on September 16, 2018, 07:30:41 PM
Diane Feinstein should be in front of the Senate Ethics committee over this stunt.
She just assured her re election.
Post by: nddons on September 16, 2018, 09:34:23 PM
That little shit needs to go away. Now.
Post by: bflynn on September 16, 2018, 11:04:26 PM
And recall that I am registered Independent.
Post by: Little Joe on September 17, 2018, 05:41:11 AM
This is so pathetic.Imagine that! A California college professor. How can you get more neutral than that?
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/timothymeads/2018/09/16/kavanaugh-accusers-lawyer-part-of-resistance-big-democrat-donor-and-has-trashed-paula-jones-n2519525
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on September 17, 2018, 05:45:28 AM
Post by: Lucifer on September 17, 2018, 05:47:25 AM
Gee, so surprised!
Post by: Steingar on September 17, 2018, 05:56:30 AM
Post by: Lucifer on September 17, 2018, 06:27:08 AM
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Here is where Ms. Ford’s story becomes quite murky and begins to fall apart. Although Ms. Ford believes the alleged incident occurred during the summer of 1982, she “said she does not remember some key details of the incident,” according to the Washington Post article. For example, Ms. Ford “said she does not remember how the gathering came together the night of the incident.” She also does not remember how she got home. Yet she claims to be absolutely certain that Kavanaugh, whom she presumably knew only as an acquaintance and said she had not spoken to since the night the incident allegedly occurred, was involved in the alleged incident.
Ms. Ford admitted that she “told no one at the time what had happened to her.” In fact, she said she recalled thinking: “I’m not ever telling anyone this. This is nothing, it didn’t happen, and he didn’t rape me.” Even if one explains this behavior as the natural reaction of a frightened teenager to a highly traumatic incident, that does not explain why, by her own admission, she “told no one of the incident in any detail until 2012, when she was in couples therapy with her husband,” according to the Washington Post article. Most revealingly, the article reported on a gaping hole in the therapist’s notes, portions of which were provided by Ms. Ford for the Washington Post’s review. The therapist’s notes “do not mention Kavanaugh’s name but say she reported that she was attacked by students ‘from an elitist boys’ school’ who went on to become ‘highly respected and high-ranking members of society in Washington.’”
In other words, the only written documentation Ms. Ford has offered in support of her allegation about the incident she said took place while she was in high school – a therapist’s notes of a couples therapy session occurring 30 years after the alleged incident – did not mention Judge Kavanaugh’s name. Judge Kavanaugh has had extensive background checks performed on him in the past for his various federal government positions, including for his current position as a federal appellate court judge, without the accusation ever having surfaced. Ms. Ford may believe her story to be true, but the lack of any credible corroborating evidence, her partial memory of details surrounding the alleged incident, and the absence of any pattern of such sexual misconduct by Judge Kavanaugh undercut the reliability of her version of the incident.
Post by: Number7 on September 17, 2018, 06:55:23 AM
Post by: Lucifer on September 17, 2018, 06:56:52 AM
I bet Patricia Ireland and Anita Hill are 'coaching' this twit every step of the way.
Is Gloria Alred in a chartered jet racing to California yet?
Post by: Number7 on September 17, 2018, 07:00:13 AM
There has never been a more dedicated group of intentionally blind followers.
Hitler never had it so good... but it was pretty damn close to the current progressive camp followers.
Post by: Lucifer on September 17, 2018, 07:13:18 AM
The sad thing about this pathetic show is how many progressives think it is the stone truth.
There has never been a more dedicated group of intentionally blind followers.
Hitler never had it so good... but it was pretty damn close to the current progressive camp followers.
Of course, with a compliant MSM pushing the narrative 24/7.
At the start of this, the story was anonymous about a couple of high school kids playing around and groping. This morning the narrative has changed to the writer coming out and how the judge tried to rape her and she "feared for her life".
Later today the MSM will be repeating "attempted rape" over and over. By tomorrow they will elevate it to "attempted murder".
Post by: Rush on September 17, 2018, 07:48:21 AM
Its such an obvious ploy to try to stop Kavanaughs confirmation and nothing more.
Post by: nddons on September 17, 2018, 08:12:34 AM
I will be making a contribution to whoever runs against him in the next election. The man has no freaking backbone and no brain. He is a disgrace and should be kicked out of the Republican Party.Save your money. This never-Trumper isn’t running for re-election. I’m sure he’s now taking positions that are resume builders to become a consultant / panelist for ABCNBCCNNMSNBC. They LOVE RINOs that spit on other Republicans.
And recall that I am registered Independent.
Bob Corker is saying the same thing about delaying the vote.
Post by: nddons on September 17, 2018, 08:26:30 AM
IF this actually happened as described, the truth is likely that a couple of fumbling drunks mistook signals. There's no telling what sort of flirting went on before she went upstairs to "use the bathroom". Maybe she gave them a come hither look, maybe not. Likely she didn't but they mistook whatever she did as an invitation. They put on heavy moves but eventually got it through their drunken fog that she was not cooperating. And so they let her escape. And hey what was she doing at age 15 at a party with alcohol while the parents were away in the first place?Even if this happened, is it illegal? I understand the bar for “assault” has now been substantially lowered, and as the father of a 30-year old daughter, I’m glad. But still, I have little patience for people who “come forward” decades later.
Its such an obvious ploy to try to stop Kavanaughs confirmation and nothing more.
The concept of a statute of limitations exists to protect accused from their inability to defend themselves from fraudulent and stale claims after all evidence has been lost. That alone should cause this claim to be dropped immediately.
Post by: invflatspin on September 17, 2018, 08:44:47 AM
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on September 17, 2018, 09:21:05 AM
Even if its all true, he did something wrong when he was a kid. Which of us didn't?Who the hell didn't play "doctor" in those days. This is pure bullshit.
Post by: Little Joe on September 17, 2018, 12:04:45 PM
Post by: invflatspin on September 17, 2018, 02:29:10 PM
Guilty as charged. No fed bench for me either.
Post by: Rush on September 17, 2018, 02:42:01 PM
This is not to minimize true sexual assault and rape. But the true rapist will have a patterned history and it's about power. I hear that at least 60 women have come forward and said Kavanaugh would never have done that and always treated women with respect.
Like all you guys who are perfectly nice yet did naughty things when young, but stopped short of rape, maybe he did. I don't think he is lying when he says it did not happen. So either he has no memory at all of it (it was 36 or so years ago!!) or he was not there. Of course it's possible he is lying, but the history of his character makes that seem unlikely.
I did a quick search for the name Kavanaugh in Maryland around his age. There are several. It's possible the woman was assaulted by a different man with that same last name and is mixed up now with again, an imperfect memory.
Post by: Little Joe on September 17, 2018, 03:04:06 PM
But she may have "mis-remembered" the name.
And "something" might have happened. But it never rose to the level of assault or rape.
I just think she is a radical "anti-Trumper" that would say anything to fuck him (in a non-sexual sense).
Post by: Number7 on September 17, 2018, 06:03:28 PM
Apparently Brent Kavanaugh's MOTHER presided at a foreclosure action against Kristine Ford's parents.
Too freaking bad, Krissy.
Judge Martha G. Kavanaugh was the judge for a foreclosure case in 1996 in Maryland, according to the site, which contains mostly embedded tweets from a single Twitter user but also two screenshots from Maryland’s case search site.
Those shots outline a case involving Ralph and Paula Blasey, Christine Ford’s parents, that was presided over by Judge Kavanaugh.
https://www.mediaite.com/online/brett-kavanaughs-mother-presided-over-foreclosure-case-involving-accusers-parents/
Accuser Christine Ford’s PARENTS Were Defendants in a 1996 Foreclosure Case, Presided Over by Kavanaugh’s Mother https://t.co/P2DcJ8nvmK
— Laura Ingraham (@IngrahamAngle) September 17, 2018
Post by: invflatspin on September 17, 2018, 06:59:38 PM
Caught, red-handed. Like deep throat always says, 'follow the money'.
I KNEW this was a shake down. 8)
Post by: bflynn on September 18, 2018, 01:01:52 AM
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on September 18, 2018, 04:43:29 AM
Now the motivation for this left wing smear is becoming more obvious.Not so fast on that one.....
Apparently Brent Kavanaugh's MOTHER presided at a foreclosure action against Kristine Ford's parents.
Too freaking bad, Krissy.
Judge Martha G. Kavanaugh was the judge for a foreclosure case in 1996 in Maryland, according to the site, which contains mostly embedded tweets from a single Twitter user but also two screenshots from Maryland’s case search site.
Those shots outline a case involving Ralph and Paula Blasey, Christine Ford’s parents, that was presided over by Judge Kavanaugh.
https://www.mediaite.com/online/brett-kavanaughs-mother-presided-over-foreclosure-case-involving-accusers-parents/ (https://www.mediaite.com/online/brett-kavanaughs-mother-presided-over-foreclosure-case-involving-accusers-parents/)
Accuser Christine Ford’s PARENTS Were Defendants in a 1996 Foreclosure Case, Presided Over by Kavanaugh’s Mother https://t.co/P2DcJ8nvmK (https://t.co/P2DcJ8nvmK)
— Laura Ingraham (@IngrahamAngle) September 17, 2018
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/no-brett-kavanaughs-mother-didnt-foreclose-on-his-accusers-parents
Post by: invflatspin on September 18, 2018, 06:35:57 AM
Not so fast on that one.....
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/no-brett-kavanaughs-mother-didnt-foreclose-on-his-accusers-parents
Having been through this, you have to know how to read the docket. The judge DID approve the sale on docket 5 of 8/13. She then issued a stay at the behest of the debtors for 30 days to get new financing. This is common for people who are behind on their mortgage so badly that they own > 5% of the value of the note. The defendants(parents of the accuser) were able to get refinancing, and in docket 6 the new loan was filed by the new lender. That means the orig plaintiff who filed for foreclosure was made whole, when the new funding paid off their bad debt. Then dockets 9 and 10 show that they are once again making timely payments to the new lender, and the court is being asked to dismiss the claim of foreclosure.
I gar-on-damn-tee you that the accusers parents made the bad debt whole by getting a new loan, and paying off their old lender. If not, the house would have been foreclosed, and her parents would be forced out. It's very easy for me to see that this could all be blamed on the bad old judge who wouldn't let them squat in their home without paying their mortgage. The defendants also have to pay much of the court costs associated with the case as they were in fact the losing party. The plaintiff also got his performance bond back.
It's more complex than this article makes out. The judge was going to side with the plaintiff, but did a nice thing and let the homeowners have 30 days to perform. No question that the liberal squatter parents thought they could ignore their house payment, and just continue to live in the home for free. The judge had other plans, and forced them to be adults and pay what they owe.
Post by: Lucifer on September 18, 2018, 07:35:09 AM
Prediction: She will not do this, her attorney will cite that her client "fears for her life" and she needs "privacy".
The accuser knows she has a BS story and now must face people who will question her. According to her students she is dark and often unbalanced, not the type of witness to sit in front of a senate panel.
This whole charade was suppose to be anonymous hit job, but fortunately the adults on the Senate Judiciary panel are calling her out using procedure.
If in the case she does show up, then Prof Ford's handlers will be giving her intense training up through Sunday to keep her from falling apart on Monday. Very risky on her behalf. Her story is already full of holes.
Rest assured the progressives are in overtime right now cooking up another last minute hail mary.
Post by: Username on September 18, 2018, 07:48:16 AM
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/09/18/keith-ellison-domestic-violence-accuser-says-democratic-party-doesnt-believe-her-story.html
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The woman who accused Minnesota Democratic Rep. Keith Ellison of domestic abuse said on Monday that Democrats don’t believe her story and threatened to isolate her over the allegations.
...
I've been smeared, threatened, isolated from my own party. I provided medical records from 2017, stating on two different Dr. Visits, I told them about the abuse and who did it. My therapist released records stating I have been dealing and healing from the abuse
Post by: Lucifer on September 18, 2018, 01:38:57 PM
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2018/09/18/brett-kavanaughs-accuser-isnt-answering-phone-calls-from-chuck-grassley-to-testify-about-her-accusations-n2520092
So if she doesn't show, expect the democrat talking points to be "We can't proceed with the vote because this allegation is out there", which basically means "guilty until proven innocent".
Post by: Lucifer on September 18, 2018, 01:39:26 PM
Post by: Lucifer on September 18, 2018, 01:48:46 PM
Post by: Username on September 18, 2018, 02:05:50 PM
So now she doesn't want to respond.......nice.
I'm sure it's because her phone battery is dead.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on September 18, 2018, 04:11:05 PM
I notice when DiFi is being questioned no one ever asks her why she waited until now to bring this forward? Why didn't she ask him when he was in her office? Too much weird shit going on here.
Post by: bflynn on September 18, 2018, 05:01:34 PM
So DiFi won't tell. Ford won't talk. Something obviously isn't right.
Post by: Lucifer on September 18, 2018, 05:09:52 PM
In other words, delay.....delay.......delay.
What a fuckin' farce!
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on September 18, 2018, 06:48:45 PM
Post by: Lucifer on September 18, 2018, 07:09:39 PM
Time to vote him out of committee and bring it to the floor. It's not the job of the FBI to investigate 35 year old rape cases.
FBI has already stated they will not investigate unless requested by the WH.
The Flake has already said he'll support voting to move out of committee.
Post by: Rush on September 19, 2018, 01:32:45 AM
Time to vote him out of committee and bring it to the floor. It's not the job of the FBI to investigate 35 year old not even rape cases.
FIFY
Post by: Old Crow on September 19, 2018, 04:49:23 AM
Post by: bflynn on September 19, 2018, 05:54:01 AM
Meanwhile, move forward. Send this to the floor and let everyone declare where their loyalties lie.
Post by: Lucifer on September 19, 2018, 06:12:51 AM
So, let the FBI investigate according to their standards. They will take some stamenets, develop a very thin case file and they report that there is not enough to warrant more time in a cold case. The whole thing should take a few days.
Meanwhile, move forward. Send this to the floor and let everyone declare where their loyalties lie.
The FBI cannot investigate because this is a state issue, not federal. The only way the FBI can investigate is by order of the WH.
The WH has stated the judge has already had 6 very extensive FBI checks. During the confirmation process he was again background checked, the judicial committee has been supplied more documents that all previous justices combined (modern history), he has answered over 1,000 written questions and everyone in the senate has had ample time to send their concerns to the WH to be added to the official nomination file.
Also, Feinstein had the letter back in July. She could have sent the letter to the WH and requested an investigation. Feinstein had an extensive meeting with the judge privately where she could have questioned him on the contents. Other senators knew of the letter, yet no one questioned him on it.
During the hearing, again, Feinstein had the opportunity to bring up the letter and allegations. She chose not to.
The loony Professor that wrote the letter has been heard. She has been granted an opportunity to explain herself before the Judicial Committee and make her concerns heard. Her lawyers are now DEMANDING an FBI investigation first. Sorry, they don't get to set procedure nor do they get to over ride the senate and the WH.
Proceed with the vote.
Post by: Lucifer on September 19, 2018, 06:14:25 AM
The dims are going to start mouth foaming and scream "It's a pattern!! We knew it!"
Post by: Username on September 19, 2018, 07:53:15 AM
https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/18/politics/pj-smyth-brett-kavanaugh/index.html
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"I understand that I have been identified by Dr. Christine Blasey Ford as the person she remembers as 'PJ' who supposedly was present at the party she described in her statements to the Washington Post," Smyth says in his statement to the Senate Judiciary Committee. "I am issuing this statement today to make it clear to all involved that I have no knowledge of the party in question; nor do I have any knowledge of the allegations of improper conduct she has leveled against Brett Kavanaugh."
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on September 19, 2018, 09:06:50 AM
Matt Walsh tweets:
“For comparison, consider how Juanita Broaddrick knew the exact day, time, and place that she was violently raped by Bill Clinton. She told two friends the day it happened after they found her bruised and bloodied. That is what a "credible accusation" looks like.”
Post by: Lucifer on September 19, 2018, 09:24:22 AM
Matt Walsh tweets:
“For comparison, consider how Juanita Broaddrick knew the exact day, time, and place that she was violently raped by Bill Clinton. She told two friends the day it happened after they found her bruised and bloodied. That is what a "credible accusation" looks like.”
But Bill Clinton is an icon of the democrats..............pass given.
Just like the current situation going on with Keith Ellison. His accuser has given detailed information, yet the MSM has ignored her and the democrats have smeared her.
Keith Ellison has his pass as well.
Post by: invflatspin on September 19, 2018, 09:32:38 AM
Money well spent.
Post by: invflatspin on September 20, 2018, 11:50:07 AM
https://www.worldtribune.com/who-is-christine-blasey-ford-anti-trump-prof-protested-on-climate-and-immigration/
A pure political opportunist.
Post by: Anthony on September 20, 2018, 12:06:37 PM
A pure political opportunist.
Yep. The Democrats are desperate. They will do, and say anything legal, illegal, unethical, immoral etc to stop Trump from getting another appointment confirmed. This is a BIG one, so they are hoping to get the majority in the Senate to stop and future appoints, so want to further delay this one. Then of course get the Presidency, and then replace Ginsberg with another anti American, anti Constitution flaming Progressive.
Post by: invflatspin on September 20, 2018, 12:19:30 PM
Post by: Lucifer on September 20, 2018, 12:28:21 PM
https://www.wral.com/ford-lawyers-say-she-is-open-to-testifying-but-not-monday/17861450/
This is such bullshit.
Post by: Lucifer on September 20, 2018, 12:52:47 PM
So guess what happens next week? Yep, about Weds she will give another excuse, and request to move the date again.
So fuckin' lame.
But I found this to be funny:
"Local police, how can we assist you?"
"Umm... I'd like to report an attempted rape."
"Yes, Ma'am. When did this take place?"
"Oh, I dunno, maybe 36 years ago. Maybe 37."
".... 36 years?"
"Yeah. Maybe 37."
"Uh, okay. So where did it take place?"
"Umm... at a party."
"Where was the party?"
"Umm... I don't really remember."
"Were you drinking?"
"One beer."
"And you don't remember where it was?"
"No."
"Well, okay. Who attacked you?"
"That lying, sleazy Brett Kavanaugh."
"The judge?"
"Yep."
"Wow, that's quite the accusation. Can you come down to the station and swear out a complaint?"
"No."
"No? Why not?"
"You guys need to do a complete investigation first. Then I'll give you a statement."
"You want what?"
"I want you to investigate it, top to bottom, and start to finish. Then I'll think about signing a complaint."
"Ma'am, have you been doing drugs?"
click...............
Post by: invflatspin on September 20, 2018, 01:52:05 PM
http://dailycaller.com/2018/09/20/kavanaugh-accuser-classmate-backs-off/
On FB was a real Ford supporter. When confronted, removes the FB statement, and denies any knowledge, or involvement, or testimony.
Lying be-otch
Post by: Number7 on September 20, 2018, 03:40:04 PM
So here's the game: Prof Ford's handlers will "agree" for her to testify next Thursday, under certain terms.
So guess what happens next week? Yep, about Weds she will give another excuse, and request to move the date again.
So fuckin' lame.
But I found this to be funny:
"Local police, how can we assist you?"
"Umm... I'd like to report an attempted rape."
"Yes, Ma'am. When did this take place?"
"Oh, I dunno, maybe 36 years ago. Maybe 37."
".... 36 years?"
"Yeah. Maybe 37."
"Uh, okay. So where did it take place?"
"Umm... at a party."
"Where was the party?"
"Umm... I don't really remember."
"Were you drinking?"
"One beer."
"And you don't remember where it was?"
"No."
"Well, okay. Who attacked you?"
"That lying, sleazy Brett Kavanaugh."
"The judge?"
"Yep."
"Wow, that's quite the accusation. Can you come down to the station and swear out a complaint?"
"No."
"No? Why not?"
"You guys need to do a complete investigation first. Then I'll give you a statement."
"You want what?"
"I want you to investigate it, top to bottom, and start to finish. Then I'll think about signing a complaint."
"Ma'am, have you been doing drugs?"
click...............
Why are democrats so dumb that they can't see what this is and what it is about?
I'm not talking about shit-for-brains trash like ford, pelosi, kamala harris, hilary clinton and the others. I'm talking about normal adult, democrats, who work for a living, instead of protest and whine for a living.
Post by: invflatspin on September 20, 2018, 07:06:37 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/09/20/anti-trump-georgetown-professor-goes-on-profane-tirade-against-kavanaugh-gop.html
What goes on in the mind of someone like this? I was an assoc prof. If I EVER wrote something like this about BO - I would have been frog-marched out the back door and put in a cop van.
Post by: Anthony on September 20, 2018, 07:37:58 PM
Post by: Rush on September 21, 2018, 03:10:31 AM
Another of the "I know it happened" accusers reneges.
http://dailycaller.com/2018/09/20/kavanaugh-accuser-classmate-backs-off/
On FB was a real Ford supporter. When confronted, removes the FB statement, and denies any knowledge, or involvement, or testimony.
Lying be-otch
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“In my post, I was empowered and I was sure it probably did [happen],” Miranda told NPR this morning. “I had no idea that I would now have to go to the specifics and defend it before 50 cable channels and have my face spread all over MSNBC news and Twitter.”
Miranda said the Senate Judiciary Committee reached out to her after her post but that she would not testify if asked.
Dr. Ford previously said she had not told anyone about the incident until a therapist meeting in 2012. Ford also said the incident happened during the summer, contradicting Miranda’s assertion that she heard rumors about it in school. (RELATED: California Professor, Writer Of Confidential Brett Kavanaugh Letter, Speaks Out About Her Allegation Of Sexual Assault)
"I was sure it probably"..... I know about this media post stuff, people invent all kinds of shit out of thin air. What a mess.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on September 21, 2018, 07:32:05 AM
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on September 21, 2018, 07:45:06 AM
https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2018/09/president-trump-weighs-in.php
Post by: Number7 on September 21, 2018, 08:22:33 AM
I suspect that the vast majority of everyone else already knows the Kavanaugh kerfuffle is nothing but the worst kind of insincerity and dishonesty in politics and many will quietly vote to show their disapproval.
Post by: Lucifer on September 21, 2018, 08:30:21 AM
At a time when political extremism has become mainstream, everybody not on the lunatic fringe is looking for candidates that exude some kind of honesty and the ability to tell the truth.
I suspect that the vast majority of everyone else already knows the Kavanaugh kerfuffle is nothing but the worst kind of insincerity and dishonesty in politics and many will quietly vote to show their disapproval.
This whole debacle will energize republicans to vote in the midterms. The alt left progressives keep moving further left and are now the lunatic fringe. Independents, moderate liberals and conservatives are seeing just how desperate these miscreants to regain power for their own purpose and their absolute will to subvert the American people.
Post by: Lucifer on September 21, 2018, 08:33:01 AM
Post by: invflatspin on September 21, 2018, 08:42:03 AM
At a time when political extremism has become mainstream, everybody not on the lunatic fringe is looking for candidates that exude some kind of honesty and the ability to tell the truth.
I suspect that the vast majority of everyone else already knows the Kavanaugh kerfuffle is nothing but the worst kind of insincerity and dishonesty in politics and many will quietly vote to show their disapproval.
I'm thinking along the same lines, and that it might lead to a fresh round of #walkaway stories. Plenty of nominal liberals are going to look at the timeline of this, and the way the Dems are behaving and just say finally oh - hell - no.
Post by: jb1842 on September 21, 2018, 09:23:15 AM
Post by: Lucifer on September 21, 2018, 09:30:48 AM
He was just a victim of being the wrong party.
Or had he been a democrat congressman running for a state AG seat in 2018, or even a senator who admits in his own book of sexually assaulting a girl when he was in high school.
Or even a former president who has had multiple sexual assault and rape charges against him, and a wife (who is a two time presidential candidate loser) who worked to smear his accusers.
Or maybe even a current senator who gets his kicks going to the Dominican Republic to have sex with underage girls.
Post by: Anthony on September 21, 2018, 11:10:09 AM
This whole debacle will energize republicans to vote in the midterms. The alt left progressives keep moving further left and are now the lunatic fringe. Independents, moderate liberals and conservatives are seeing just how desperate these miscreants to regain power for their own purpose and their absolute will to subvert the American people.
The Democrats have become the ALT LEFT. They have mainstreamed it, thus alienating many moderates, and undecideds. The only way they can win long term is through voter fraud, having illegal aliens vote, and eventually change the demographics with a continued invasion of illegal aliens.
Post by: Rush on September 21, 2018, 11:22:51 AM
The Democrats have become the ALT LEFT. They have mainstreamed it, thus alienating many moderates, and undecideds. The only way they can win long term is through voter fraud, having illegal aliens vote, and eventually change the demographics with a continued invasion if illegal aliens.
I'm continuing to read #walkaway stories and one black put it this way, he has always been a conservative but always voted Democrat because that's just what you did. You were told Republicans were some kind of monster you just didn't consider. But he was raised with religion, his parents taught him the work ethic, he never felt oppressed by whites but always feared fellow blacks who were gang members. Now when he finally started paying attention to politics he realizes today's Democrat party does not represent his value system and that his values are and always have been conservative he just never made the connection til now. Apparently a whole lot of blacks are waking up and realizing the same.
If true, this is a disaster for the Democrat party. They lost the blue belt working class in 2016 and now they're losing a huge chunk of the black vote. They got way too complacent and took these two groups for granted. The illegal hispanics are their only hope, except maybe the babies now being indoctrinated in public schools. But hopefully even universities may soon start to wake up, with the likes of Jordan Peterson exploding in popularity.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on September 21, 2018, 03:39:34 PM
Post by: Lucifer on September 21, 2018, 03:45:58 PM
I'm amazed the this lady and her genius haven't figured out that if she went to the correct police authority and filed a sexual assault complaint that it would bring the whole process to an immediate halt.
She and her lawyers have.
The problem there is Prof Ford risk jail time for making a false statement to police. Is Prof Ford willing to fall on her sword for the democrats? Don't think so.
Btw, Grassley just announced that Monday they will vote if Ford doesn't show.
Post by: invflatspin on September 21, 2018, 08:18:05 PM
https://dailycaller.com/2018/09/21/clinton-kavanaugh-innocence/
Clinton campaign staffer says Kavanaugh has to 'prove he didn't do it'.
What kind of idiocy is this?
Post by: asechrest on September 21, 2018, 08:24:51 PM
Well then the burden if proof lies with Adrienne Elrod to prove she didn't rape and murder 12 children in 1983.
Post by: Jim Logajan on September 21, 2018, 08:31:01 PM
Jaw drop.
https://dailycaller.com/2018/09/21/clinton-kavanaugh-innocence/
Clinton campaign staffer says Kavanaugh has to 'prove he didn't do it'.
What kind of idiocy is this?
It's called presumption of guilt. Seems to be a fairly commonly applied principle.
Post by: LevelWing on September 21, 2018, 11:39:10 PM
The Republicans have handled this correctly so far. If Mrs. Ford refuses to appear before the committee then the vote should proceed. One person who makes an allegation yet refuses to provide on the record testimony cannot be allowed to prevent a Supreme Court nominee. The impacts of that would be devastating and Washington D.C. would grind to a permanent halt since all it would take is for a person to come forward, make an accusation, then refuse to offer any sort of supporting evidence.
Post by: Jim Logajan on September 22, 2018, 12:14:18 AM
The Senate Judiciary Committee has gone out of their way to ensure that the accuser is given a voice. They've offered for her to testify before the committee either publicly or privately, whichever she's most comfortable with, or to send staff to her in California to interview her there. She has so far declined. Judge Kavanaugh has provided sworn testimony, under penalty of perjury, and is set to testify before the committee on Monday. So far, Judge Kavanaugh and Mark Judge are the only ones to offer sworn testimony under penalty of perjury. They've both put a lot on the line if they are found to have been lying and yet Mrs. Ford hasn't done the same.
The Republicans have handled this correctly so far. If Mrs. Ford refuses to appear before the committee then the vote should proceed. One person who makes an allegation yet refuses to provide on the record testimony cannot be allowed to prevent a Supreme Court nominee. The impacts of that would be devastating and Washington D.C. would grind to a permanent halt since all it would take is for a person to come forward, make an accusation, then refuse to offer any sort of supporting evidence.
Washington D.C. grind to a halt!?
Hmmm ... if that mechanism could be made to work for any political office, I'm actually kinda in favor of it. ;)
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on September 22, 2018, 03:53:33 AM
I wonder of at some point Trump doesn't call Grassley and as him just WTF he's doing.
Post by: Little Joe on September 22, 2018, 04:16:11 AM
It's called presumption of guilt. Seems to be a fairly commonly applied principle.Please tell me you are just being sarcastic and that you are not defending the principle.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on September 22, 2018, 04:25:54 AM
Post by: LevelWing on September 22, 2018, 05:38:41 AM
I'm assuming they are busy prepping for the hearing and need more time to make sure she gets the story they want her to tell down pat.I suspect they're going out of their way to show how accommodating they're being to show good faith and that they are taking her seriously. If she asks for another delay (and I think she will) it'll give the Republicans the top cover they need to proceed with the committee vote.
I also think there's a mid-term angle as well. The Republicans are going out of their way to show how much effort they're putting into taking her allegations seriously which will force the vulnerable Democratic senators up for re-election to vote for Kavanaugh.
Post by: Lucifer on September 22, 2018, 05:40:58 AM
While Prof Ford has been perfecting the art of delay delay, it has given time for the opposition to research her background even more completely. If the dims aren't careful, putting Prof Ford under oath is going to blow up in their face, huge.
Post by: Lucifer on September 22, 2018, 06:03:43 AM
Whad'ya think there Hillary?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6195811/Hillary-Clinton-urges-FBI-investigate-Kavanaugh-sexual-assault-claim.html
Post by: Lucifer on September 22, 2018, 06:13:16 AM
Wash, rinse, repeat. These sex smears and baseless allegations need to be stopped in their tracks. We now have an unhinged progressive holding the nominating process hostage over an unfounded allegation. No proof, nothing but a shadowy allegation that doesn't even include a place, a time, the participants, minor details.....nothing. An allegation like this for anything else would be tossed out without a second thought, but here we are, again, letting the progressives run wild with it.
Post by: LevelWing on September 22, 2018, 06:44:48 AM
Remember back to the Alabama special election for Senator, where the dims used this same plot to screw over Roy Moore? And then McConnell joined in to help insure the seat went to a democrat?There are quite a few differences between Roy Moore and this case. This isn't a valid comparison.
Post by: Lucifer on September 22, 2018, 07:03:04 AM
There are quite a few differences between Roy Moore and this case. This isn't a valid comparison.
Bullshit! It's an unfounded sex smear. No evidence, nothing. Remember those who came forward on Roy Moore with their allegations?? Yet again, no police reports, nothing. Roy Moore sat on the SC of Alabama, and not a word from the accusers. Yet, once he decided to run for the senate they came out of the wood work with fake evidence and fake accusations.
Also noticed the accusers, once the election was over, disappeared. Yep, they were so hurt and wanted "justice" did they file lawsuits? Nope. Did they file any reports with law enforcement? Nope. Right there showed everyone what the game was and what the real reason for the smear. Pure political.
You were all for the smear, you gave your self righteous responses about it being "the court of public opinion" justifying the smears. You got what you wanted by letting the progressives and the establishment republicans pay out their vile little game with smugness. Because you and the other spineless republicans we are now seeing a SC nomination being held hostage by an unhinged academic and her alt left handlers. If they succeed at this don't count on seeing any more SC nominations during President Trump's term as they will be given the same treatment. After all, no proof needed (as in Alabama), just the allegation.
Post by: LevelWing on September 22, 2018, 07:08:53 AM
Bullshit! It's an unfounded sex smear. No evidence, nothing. Remember those who came forward on Roy Moore with their allegations?? Yet again, no police reports, nothing. Roy Moore sat on the SC of Alabama, and not a word from the accusers. Yet, once he decided to run for the senate they came out of the wood work with fake evidence and fake accusations.There were multiple accusers who were able to offer dates, times, locations, and additional witnesses who were able to corroborate their stories. Also, the victims told people shortly after the alleged incidents happened. None of that has occurred in this case. No additional accusers have come forward (in fact, a letter with over 60 women supporting Kavanaugh has been signed and circulated), the accuser didn't tell anyone following the alleged incident until 2012 until she told her therapist, and the accuser can't remember when or where the incident happened. That's completely different from the Roy Moore case.
Also noticed the accusers, once the election was over, disappeared. Yep, they were so hurt and wanted "justice" did they file lawsuits? Nope. Did they file any reports with law enforcement? Nope. Right there showed everyone what the game was and what the real reason for the smear. Pure political.
You were all for the smear, you gave your self righteous responses about it being "the court of public opinion" justifying the smears. You got what you wanted by letting the progressives and the establishment republicans pay out their vile little game with smugness. Because you and the other spineless republicans we are now seeing a SC nomination being held hostage by an unhinged academic and her alt left handlers. If they succeed at this don't count on seeing any more SC nominations during President Trump's term as they will be given the same treatment. After all, no proof needed (as in Alabama), just the allegation.When you say "you", are you referring to the generic "you" or me specifically?
Post by: Lucifer on September 22, 2018, 07:34:04 AM
There were multiple accusers who were able to offer dates, times, locations, and additional witnesses who were able to corroborate their stories. Also, the victims told people shortly after the alleged incidents happened. None of that has occurred in this case. No additional accusers have come forward (in fact, a letter with over 60 women supporting Kavanaugh has been signed and circulated), the accuser didn't tell anyone following the alleged incident until 2012 until she told her therapist, and the accuser can't remember when or where the incident happened. That's completely different from the Roy Moore case.
Which none of the "evidence" could be corroborated. Nothing but allegation after allegation with no basis in fact. You're conveniently forgetting that part in Alabama, just like in the Prof Ford case.
And where are the Moore accusers now? Why didn't they pursue their allegations in a court of law? After all, according to you they had "evidence". Roy Moore is a man of means, seems to me they would have filed law suits to get their "justice". Or was it because they were aware the flimsy "evidence" wouldn't stand up in a real court of law? Hmmmmm.
BTW, in the Roy Moore case there were hundreds of letters from both men and women that knew Roy Moore that clearly stated he would not have been involved in that sort of activity. The MSM, along with the alt left and establishment republicans made sure that got buried.
This is why matters such as this need not be tried "in the court of public opinion". Nothing with a basis in law should be tried in the "court of public opinion". The court of public opinion is for political ideologues to pursue sleazy and unethical politics to further their agendas.
When you say "you", are you referring to the generic "you" or me specifically?
You figure it out Skippy.
Post by: azure on September 22, 2018, 07:43:30 AM
The Republicans have handled this correctly so far. If Mrs. Ford refuses to appear before the committee then the vote should proceed. One person who makes an allegation yet refuses to provide on the record testimony cannot be allowed to prevent a Supreme Court nominee. The impacts of that would be devastating and Washington D.C. would grind to a permanent halt since all it would take is for a person to come forward, make an accusation, then refuse to offer any sort of supporting evidence.
I agree, with one exception: Mitch McConnell erred in saying (I think it was yesterday) that Kavanaugh was going to be on the Supreme Court. But yes, they are giving her every chance to agree to appear this week, and if she doesn't, there's really nothing they can do but hold the vote and of course, with only an uncorroborated allegation, from an accuser who refuses to make a statement under oath, he will (and should) be confirmed.
As you might expect, my perspective on this is a little different than most here. I doubt her accusation was politically motivated (mostly because as I understand it, her revealing the incident to a therapist in 2012 has been confirmed as true), and I can understand her reluctance to jump into a partisan maelstrom, especially if, as it seems, she was an anti-Trump demonstrator. I also wonder how certain she is that it was Kavanaugh. My guess is that this is probably a case of mistaken identity. But if not, and she is 100% certain, then I hope she'll take the deal and testify. She'll have a hard time living with herself if she is right and he gets confirmed. Worse for the country, if corroborating evidence comes out after he is on the Court, then things get very messy.
Post by: LevelWing on September 22, 2018, 07:45:32 AM
Which none of the "evidence" could be corroborated. Nothing but allegation after allegation with no basis in fact. You're conveniently forgetting that part in Alabama, just like in the Prof Ford case.I haven't followed the case after the election, have you? In other words, have you followed it and know that there have been no lawsuits or other forms of pursuing the case?
And where are the Moore accusers now? Why didn't they pursue their allegations in a court of law? After all, according to you they had "evidence". Roy Moore is a man of means, seems to me they would have filed law suits to get their "justice". Or was it because they were aware the flimsy "evidence" wouldn't stand up in a real court of law? Hmmmmm.
BTW, in the Roy Moore case there were hundreds of letters from both men and women that knew Roy Moore that clearly stated he would not have been involved in that sort of activity. The MSM, along with the alt left and establishment republicans made sure that got buried.
This is why matters such as this need not be tried "in the court of public opinion". Nothing with a basis in law should be tried in the "court of public opinion". The court of public opinion is for political ideologues to pursue sleazy and unethical politics to further their agendas.
A legal standard (for either criminal or civil cases) is not the same as someone having suitable fitness for a publicly held office. Roy Moore's multiple accusers were enough to convince the voters of Alabama that he wasn't fit for office. The Republicans are rallying behind Judge Kavanaugh, but not for Roy Moore, why? Why are you directing your anger towards the politicians and not the voters? After all, they're the ones that decided who got that Senate seat.
You figure it out Skippy.Looks like you just answered it, capping it off with your little "Skippy" comment. Roy Moore not getting elected wasn't my fault, it was his. Someone making an accusation against Judge Kavanaugh isn't my fault, either.
Whether the Democrats succeed at this tactic is irrelevant to whether or not Trump gets another Supreme Court nomination. If something happens to a Supreme Court justice (retirement or death), Trump will get to nominate someone. Unless, of course, you meant that he won't get another confirmed, which is different still.
Post by: bflynn on September 22, 2018, 07:48:33 AM
I'm assuming they are busy prepping for the hearing and need more time to make sure she gets thestorylie they want her to tell down pat.
FTFY
Post by: Lucifer on September 22, 2018, 07:59:18 AM
I haven't followed the case after the election, have you? In other words, have you followed it and know that there have been no lawsuits or other forms of pursuing the case?
None. Since there was no real evidence, it all disappeared. The only lawsuit is by one of the women who is suing on the claim her reputation was damaged, not on the allegations she alleged during the smear.
A legal standard (for either criminal or civil cases) is not the same as someone having suitable fitness for a publicly held office. Roy Moore's multiple accusers were enough to convince the voters of Alabama that he wasn't fit for office. The Republicans are rallying behind Judge Kavanaugh, but not for Roy Moore, why? Why are you directing your anger towards the politicians and not the voters? After all, they're the ones that decided who got that Senate seat.
Looks like you just answered it, capping it off with your little "Skippy" comment. Roy Moore not getting elected wasn't my fault, it was his. Someone making an accusation against Judge Kavanaugh isn't my fault, either.
I get it, you, like so many of your fellow establishment types love having the sex smear in your playbook to get rid of "undesirables". Unfortunately you haven't figured out the knife cuts both ways, and when you enable those with an agenda to use such tools it will (as we are seeing) come back to bite.
Whether the Democrats succeed at this tactic is irrelevant to whether or not Trump gets another Supreme Court nomination. If something happens to a Supreme Court justice (retirement or death), Trump will get to nominate someone. Unless, of course, you meant that he won't get another confirmed, which is different still.
What good is a nomination if a president can't get them confirmed? The current circus now in effect will have chilling consequences long after this if not corrected here and now. Letting unhinged political activist hijack senate procedure set a bad presidence that is not easily undone.
Letting unfounded allegations ruin peoples lives is wrong on so many levels.
Post by: invflatspin on September 22, 2018, 07:59:57 AM
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/09/20/kavanaugh-accuser-democratic-operative-advice-833013
Post by: Username on September 22, 2018, 08:30:20 AM
So what? Is that disqualifying for a supreme court justice?
Post by: Lucifer on September 22, 2018, 09:07:33 AM
Let's set this cosmic freakshow aside for a moment. She can't remember details. He can't remember details. But let's assume that it's true. He did it. 38 years ago in high school he did an awkward drunken grope.
So what? Is that disqualifying for a supreme court justice?
Nope. Not at all.
Except we are letting the unhinged alt left set their own standards and rules.
Remember, right now there are credible allegations of sexual assault against an alt left progressive congressman running for state attorney general. Facts, dates, times, doctor reports, witnesses, etc. But the rule makers (progressive) have declared a pass. Somehow the victim in that case doesn’t deserve to be heard.
Post by: Lucifer on September 22, 2018, 12:11:50 PM
Simply amazing.
Post by: Jim Logajan on September 22, 2018, 12:35:15 PM
Please tell me you are just being sarcastic and that you are not defending the principle.
Sarcasm, though I suppose mentioning that presumption of guilt (or burden of proof on the defendant in civil cases) actually occurs could be mistaken for defense of that principle.
Post by: invflatspin on September 22, 2018, 05:05:02 PM
Hires ANOTHER high profile atty. Lets see, she's got that Clinton spokesperson as a coach, two existing attys, a media rep, and now another lawyer. So it'll be great now that she's insulated herself with SIX dem operatives to make sure her 36,37,38 year old story is told correctly.
Not sure about anyone else, but I'm feeling much better knowing that she's got all this backing to help her out.
Post by: Lucifer on September 23, 2018, 06:29:03 AM
Post by: Lucifer on September 23, 2018, 06:30:10 AM
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on September 23, 2018, 06:46:02 AM
Post by: Lucifer on September 23, 2018, 06:51:54 AM
Latest I've heard is a friend of hers, that she named as being there has absolutely no recollection of the event.
Yep, she's fresh out of witnesses to corroborate her story, depending on which version one wishes to attempt to believe.
No matter, the mouth foaming progressives don't need evidence anyway, a loose and shaky accusation by someone with an obvious agenda is all that's needed.
Everyone take a hard look at what's going on. The alt left progressives are now telling us that anyone is guilty until proven innocent. And they want judges on the courts that share this same view so their (progressive/communist) agenda can be pushed forward.
Post by: Lucifer on September 23, 2018, 07:01:43 AM
Smyth: Denies it under penalty of perjury.
Judge: Denies it under penalty of perjury.
Kavanaugh: Denies it under penalty of perjury.
Keyser: Denies it under penalty of perjury.
Ford: Refuses to testify under oath.
Post by: Lucifer on September 23, 2018, 07:06:32 AM
Post by: invflatspin on September 23, 2018, 08:27:12 AM
OK, pay attention folks. This is how NOT to give a public statement. How stupid does this make her sound? Doesn't remember being there, doesn't remember the party, but in the face of 4 people who deny anything, she believes a 37 year past allegation. Not a Mensa candidate.
Post by: Rush on September 23, 2018, 08:39:04 AM
Post by: azure on September 23, 2018, 09:14:23 AM
Anything that happened 37 years ago with zero evidence besides people's "memories" should be discarded, period. Shouldn't be given the time of day. Especially if the alleged criminal is a minor and has been a golden citizen ever since. This is patent lunacy.
Sadly, I agree... as long as there are not multiple credible allegations of the same kind of behavior. If Ford's testimony proves credible (including details that can be corroborated by other witnesses, which it seems will not be possible unless the terms of the hearing change), then more investigation is warranted to determine if hard evidence exists. But without corroboration, given how long ago it occurred... yeah, I agree.
I am much bothered by Dems who say they believe her without talking to her, or having heard her testimony. Seriously, there is a huge gray area between "it happened exactly as she says" and "she's a damned liar".
To derail Kavanaugh's confirmation without a preponderance of evidence against him is to make a mockery of the process.
Post by: Little Joe on September 23, 2018, 12:07:56 PM
Instead of "preponderance of evicence" we could use a lower yard stick of "any evidence" and he should still be exhonerated.
To derail Kavanaugh's confirmation without a preponderance of evidence against him is to make a mockery of the process.
I am willing to believe what Ford is saying is true, if she could come up with any real evidence. But even then, it was decades ago, he was a minor, he led an exemplary life afterwards, therefore, even if true, I really don't care. Liberals want to give convicted felons the right to vote because "they paid their debt to society", but they refuse to grant even a smidgen of the same latitude to Republicans.
Post by: Lucifer on September 23, 2018, 06:04:04 PM
Post by: invflatspin on September 23, 2018, 07:10:17 PM
https://www.yahoo.com/news/yorker-bombshell-second-woman-accuses-002935481.html
Unfair, but I warned y'all about baggage.
Post by: Lucifer on September 23, 2018, 07:21:44 PM
Unfair, but I warned y'all about baggage.
(https://media.giphy.com/media/qmfpjpAT2fJRK/giphy.gif)
Post by: LevelWing on September 24, 2018, 04:10:15 AM
I get it, you, like so many of your fellow establishment types love having the sex smear in your playbook to get rid of "undesirables". Unfortunately you haven't figured out the knife cuts both ways, and when you enable those with an agenda to use such tools it will (as we are seeing) come back to bite.You can keep calling me an establishment type if it makes you feel better but it doesn't make it any more true. I'm also not advocating for sex smear tactics. You're also not refuting facts, you're just going on about how it was a sex smear against Roy Moore despite the multiple accounts from victims, witnesses, etc. There was a lot more "there" in his case than there is here. Until last night, anyway (I'm skeptical of that, too).
What good is a nomination if a president can't get them confirmed? The current circus now in effect will have chilling consequences long after this if not corrected here and now. Letting unhinged political activist hijack senate procedure set a bad presidence that is not easily undone.You said don't count on seeing anymore Supreme Court nominations during Trump's presidency so I was correcting that. I'll add that based on your refusal to acknowledge that McConnell does anything positive, then it won't matter if Trump can nominate anyone anyway since McConnell won't help out.
I'll agree with you that the current circus is going to have some pretty bad, and lasting, impacts if this isn't brought under control by the Republicans (which, by the way, isn't McConnell right now, it's Grassley). I'll caveat that by saying that in light of the second allegation last night, we'll see how this plays out.
Post by: Rush on September 24, 2018, 05:07:42 AM
Post by: Anthony on September 24, 2018, 05:29:23 AM
This is rich. It was the liberals in the 60s and 70s that insisted we throw off Victorian sexual repression and engage in "free love" and now four decades later they pretend to faint in horror that people actually did. But only conservative people, Bill Clinton doing it is just fine. Such hypocrisy.
Bill Clinton was enabled by Feminazi Hillary. Then there is John Edwards, Gary Hart, Ted Kennedy, JFK, RFK, and a plethora of other Democrat sexual predators that were given a pass by the Dems, and their lap dog Media. Yes, hypocrisy. Then there is the elevation of Muslims by the Liberal/Progressives. More hypocrisy, as the Muslim world oppresses women, gays, etc.
Post by: Lucifer on September 24, 2018, 05:50:40 AM
Quote
“After six days of carefully assessing her memories and consulting with her attorney, Ramirez said that she felt confident enough of her recollections.”
WTF?
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2018/09/24/uh-did-anyone-catch-this-glaring-plot-hole-in-the-latest-accusation-against-kava-n2521895
Post by: Lucifer on September 24, 2018, 05:54:58 AM
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on September 24, 2018, 06:33:26 AM
Then watch the dogpile as those on the nominee list are accused by multiple leftie women.
Okay. So what’s the solution?
Vote already.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on September 24, 2018, 06:36:55 AM
This is rich. It was the liberals in the 60s and 70s that insisted we throw off Victorian sexual repression and engage in "free love" and now four decades later they pretend to faint in horror that people actually did. But only conservative people, Bill Clinton doing it is just fine. Such hypocrisy.And their hypocrisy covers some extremely vile behavior; when did we ever see Dems pile on one of their own? Whereas I clearly remember how Repubs sounded the bell of doom for Trump after the pussy grab tape. He’s out! It’s over!
Post by: Lucifer on September 24, 2018, 07:47:19 AM
Need rule that only existing charges will be investigated on SCOTUS candidates. New charges will be thrown out.
Then watch the dogpile as those on the nominee list are accused by multiple leftie women.
Okay. So what’s the solution?
Vote already.
There are senate rules and procedures. The Judiciary Chairman is in charge of the nomination process and procedures. Unfortunately, he is letting the minority party run the show with their clown circus. He should have shut down Ford and her activist attorneys early on in the process instead of letting them keep playing their silly game.
This second accusation is pure BS.
https://www.mediaite.com/tv/ronan-farrow-new-kavanaugh-accuser-came-forward-because-democrats-came-looking/
Post by: Dweyant on September 24, 2018, 07:52:59 AM
Post by: Username on September 24, 2018, 08:07:42 AM
And now Stormy Daniel's lawyer is claiming he organized gang rapes....
"Here comes the Judge!" Now on blu-ray starring Stormy Daniels.
Post by: Anthony on September 24, 2018, 08:12:55 AM
Post by: Lucifer on September 24, 2018, 08:35:05 AM
Obvious political hack job. So transparent, it is laughable.
But the mouth foaming alt left progressives are eating it up.
What's semi amusing is we are starting to see a few of the MSM outlets even beginning to question the circus and its clowns.
Finally, Prof Ford is the darling of the alt left right now. Anything she wants, they are coddling her. Once this is over, they will drop her like a bad habit and move on. It's just the way the alt left progressives work and apparently the academic with the big brain can't figure out she's being used.
Now that the second
Post by: invflatspin on September 24, 2018, 08:42:06 AM
Obvious political hack job. So transparent, it is laughable.
Sadly, it's also working. Support for Kavanaugh has slipped a lot since he was announced. Not that the polls matter much, but it's another stain that the conservatives surely didn't need going into the mid-terms, which is what this is all about anyway. If it costs the Rep a seat in the Senate, all the lies and conniving will have had the desired effect.
Post by: Username on September 24, 2018, 08:50:49 AM
Now that the secondbimbowoman has had time to gather her memories, with the help of alt left activist lawyers, the game now is to postpone the hearings.
The game was always to delay the hearing by whatever means possible. Once that fails, I predict that the democrats will boycott the vote. They will not even show up to vote NO. That will give them more ammunition to state that it was an illegitimate process and carry that on to the midterms.
Post by: Lucifer on September 24, 2018, 09:14:30 AM
Sadly, it's also working. Support for Kavanaugh has slipped a lot since he was announced. Not that the polls matter much, but it's another stain that the conservatives surely didn't need going into the mid-terms, which is what this is all about anyway. If it costs the Rep a seat in the Senate, all the lies and conniving will have had the desired effect.
Fortunately the SC Justice is not decided by popular vote. And as of right now all republicans are for confirming, even the shaky Murkowski and Collins. And a few red state dems will vote because they want reelection and not to fall on their swords to appease the alt left.
The "polls" saying Kavanaugh is losing support are by design to help control the media narrative. The reality is most Americans are not that concerned with SC justices.
As far as mid terms, this is a blessing for the republicans as it will energize their base to vote. It will also help excellerate the walkaways from the democrats. The optics are especially horrendous right now for the democrat party.
https://dailycaller.com/2018/09/24/new-york-times-second-kavanaugh-accuser/
Post by: Username on September 24, 2018, 09:22:12 AM
The optics are especially horrendous right now for the democrat party.
Add to that an "October Surprise" of an unredacted FISA memo and all the crap used to prompt the FBI and others to spy on the Trump campaign and beyond. The democrats are in for a world of hurt.
Post by: Anthony on September 24, 2018, 09:26:06 AM
Sadly, it's also working. Support for Kavanaugh has slipped a lot since he was announced. Not that the polls matter much, but it's another stain that the conservatives surely didn't need going into the mid-terms, which is what this is all about anyway. If it costs the Rep a seat in the Senate, all the lies and conniving will have had the desired effect.
Sadly, I agree. The Media repeats it constantly, so the weak minded, of which there are many, start to believe it, and then the political capital to overcome it becomes too great. The Dems know this, so they keep bringing up unsubstantiated crap in which to deceive people. It works.
Post by: Lucifer on September 24, 2018, 09:32:39 AM
Add to that an "October Surprise" of an unredacted FISA memo and all the crap used to prompt the FBI and others to spy on the Trump campaign and beyond. The democrats are in for a world of hurt.
McCabe and Page have thrown Rosenstein under the bus, and he's fleeing. Gowdy, who has actually seen the documents that are being declassified has stated that Comey, McCabe, Rosenstein and Brennan will be publicaly embarrassed when they are released. Also, it appears that the grand jury will extend to these guys as well.
The soft coup failed at the hands of these idiots. And when faced with indictments they will finger the real culprits all the way back to the BHO WH and including BHO himself.
Post by: bflynn on September 24, 2018, 09:51:27 AM
Obvious political hack job. So transparent, it is laughable.
It would be laughable if there weren't millions and millions of people out there who already believe it without any proof.
Post by: nddons on September 24, 2018, 09:59:07 AM
Red line in the sand moved again >:(Exactly.
I wonder of at some point Trump doesn't call Grassley and as him just WTF he's doing.
Post by: nddons on September 24, 2018, 10:13:08 AM
I agree, with one exception: Mitch McConnell erred in saying (I think it was yesterday) that Kavanaugh was going to be on the Supreme Court. But yes, they are giving her every chance to agree to appear this week, and if she doesn't, there's really nothing they can do but hold the vote and of course, with only an uncorroborated allegation, from an accuser who refuses to make a statement under oath, he will (and should) be confirmed.I appreciate your deference for giving Ford the benefit of the doubt, but I have so such compulsion. People are capable of making up stories to therapists if it means defending their actions or inactions in matters involving marriage. Imagine a male spouse wanting to go to a therapist because his wife wouldn’t have sex with him. Wife needs an excuse, and concocts a unverifiable story of a high school incident that provides her an excuse for her behavior. I’m not saying that was the situation, but I’m trying to demonstrate that an alleged admission to a therapist is not dispositive.
As you might expect, my perspective on this is a little different than most here. I doubt her accusation was politically motivated (mostly because as I understand it, her revealing the incident to a therapist in 2012 has been confirmed as true), and I can understand her reluctance to jump into a partisan maelstrom, especially if, as it seems, she was an anti-Trump demonstrator. I also wonder how certain she is that it was Kavanaugh. My guess is that this is probably a case of mistaken identity. But if not, and she is 100% certain, then I hope she'll take the deal and testify. She'll have a hard time living with herself if she is right and he gets confirmed. Worse for the country, if corroborating evidence comes out after he is on the Court, then things get very messy.
Further, do we know that Judge Kavanaugh was specifically named in that therapy session? That’s what is implied, but to my knowledge we have no idea. It actually seems odd to name a specific individual in a therapy session.
Lastly, I have zero patience for a 35 year old story being told to a congressman or a senator instead of the police. That put the wires story into the political realm, with no turning back.
I give her no quarter in this case.
Post by: Lucifer on September 24, 2018, 11:08:52 AM
I appreciate your deference for giving Ford the benefit of the doubt, but I have so such compulsion. People are capable of making up stories to therapists if it means defending their actions or inactions in matters involving marriage. Imagine a male spouse wanting to go to a therapist because his wife wouldn’t have sex with him. Wife needs an excuse, and concocts a unverifiable story of a high school incident that provides her an excuse for her behavior. I’m not saying that was the situation, but I’m trying to demonstrate that an alleged admission to a therapist is not dispositive.
Further, do we know that Judge Kavanaugh was specifically named in that therapy session? That’s what is implied, but to my knowledge we have no idea. It actually seems odd to name a specific individual in a therapy session.
Lastly, I have zero patience for a 35 year old story being told to a congressman or a senator instead of the police. That put the wires story into the political realm, with no turning back.
I give her no quarter in this case.
Add to this that she went to an activist lawyer instead of a lawyer that could be impartial. Why? She would have had a bit more credibility using an attorney without political affiliation.
Also, who is paying for all of this? Why did she feel the need to scrub her social media? Could you just imagine if Kavanaugh had scrubbed his social media in relation to this?
If she didn’t want to come forward, what’s with the lie detector test? Who paid for this and who gave it?
Post by: Old Crow on September 24, 2018, 11:14:31 AM
Post by: acrogimp on September 24, 2018, 11:17:38 AM
I now predict he will be confirmed on Thursday and I feel better.
'Gimp
Post by: PropWash on September 24, 2018, 12:37:58 PM
Post by: nddons on September 24, 2018, 12:59:48 PM
OK, stick a fork in him, he's done.Baggage? It’s no more truthful than the original claim.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/yorker-bombshell-second-woman-accuses-002935481.html
Unfair, but I warned y'all about baggage.
Post by: Lucifer on September 24, 2018, 01:02:34 PM
Post by: Lucifer on September 24, 2018, 01:03:11 PM
Post by: Lucifer on September 24, 2018, 01:03:56 PM
(https://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/IMG_265620180921120159.jpg)
Post by: nddons on September 24, 2018, 01:11:44 PM
WH just released a letter from Kavanaugh, I was, sadly, expecting he would withdraw given the awful treatment he and his family have been getting - nope - he's a fighter, will not be intimidated, is not withdrawing and is sticking it out.Confirmed by the full senate, or moved out of the Judiciary Committee? My hope is that they move immediately to the full senate, and ignore the Judiciary Committee. It has been turned into a circus side show and is not a required part of the “advice and consent” clause.
I now predict he will be confirmed on Thursday and I feel better.
'Gimp
Post by: invflatspin on September 24, 2018, 02:04:00 PM
Baggage? It’s no more truthful than the original claim.
To you and I and anyone with a working brain this is true. To angry libs, all they need is the scent of a scandal when republicans are the target. Just look at all the MSM today. It's a feeding frenzy out there.
I hope he sticks it out, and is ultimately confirmed. The beltway needs to learn that this kind of behavior will not be rewarded. I'm inspired by Kavanaugh letter to the committee and Feinstein. In fact, I would have used a bit of swearing if it were me, but he's a jurist with probity, so maybe a couple "F U's" would not be kosher.
Post by: Number7 on September 24, 2018, 02:06:29 PM
According to Gallup, who is never friendly to republicans, Republican FAVORABILITY is at the highest level in seven years.
Why is that so important?
Gallup, like so many other polling organizations, over polls democrats consistently. It spins the outcome to their favor and makes them all feel comfy, cozy.
When you wade into the poll, you see that the middle of America is pissed off at the democrats (communists) and actually saying so, which is quite rare.
I look for a painful night for the democratic (communist) party on the first Tuesday in November.
Republican favorability at 45%, Democrats at 44%
Major gains for Republican Party within the party, including leaners
That would be the center of the democrat (communist) party. Those are the people that are walking away.
https://news.gallup.com/poll/242906/republican-party-favorability-highest-seven-years.aspx
Post by: invflatspin on September 24, 2018, 02:29:47 PM
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/third-brett-kavanaugh-accuser-public-202843455.html
Trifecta? Three's Company? Third time a charm? Three blind mice. Three strikes you're out?
The headlines just write themselves. I could work for HuffPo! lolz... 8)
Post by: Number7 on September 24, 2018, 02:47:06 PM
The only thing this side show doesn't have is al sharpton, and I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't show up trying to blackmail someone for something before it's over.
Post by: Little Joe on September 24, 2018, 02:55:53 PM
Line up another:Correct me if I am wrong, but it sounds like you are enjoying this.
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/third-brett-kavanaugh-accuser-public-202843455.html
Trifecta? Three's Company? Third time a charm? Three blind mice. Three strikes you're out?
The headlines just write themselves. I could work for HuffPo! lolz... 8)
I fully expected more people to line up and joint the victim-hood. I know several raging liberals that I would have no trouble believing they would make the same claims, lies or not, if they thought they could prove they crossed Kavanaugh's path at any time in the past. I suspect we will have more "come forward", but until and unless any of them have any sort of credible proof, I won't believe them. Regardless of their numbers.
On the other hand, IFF any of them actually do have credible proof, I will be among the first to ask him to withdraw. But only if it appears to be a pattern. A single transgression decades ago does not cause me too much alarm. I am probably guilty of worse, but I married her.
I just hope the Republicans are taking notes for the time when a Democrat President is doing the nominating.
Post by: bflynn on September 24, 2018, 03:19:06 PM
Confirmed by the full senate, or moved out of the Judiciary Committee? My hope is that they move immediately to the full senate, and ignore the Judiciary Committee. It has been turned into a circus side show and is not a required part of the “advice and consent” clause.
May depend on the Senate rules. You can count that if there is any question that maybe it is covered by the Senate's rules, the Dems will be in court suing the Senate Republicans to get the courts to force things. Anything for delay.
Post by: invflatspin on September 24, 2018, 03:25:13 PM
Correct me if I am wrong, but it sounds like you are enjoying this.
No, not in the way you mean. I'm sad, and a bit angry that the kind of stuff is going on. To me, it's almost slapstick the way the Dems are trotting out anything they can get away with. For that reason, there is some element of humor, as I don't take it serious enough to let it get me down. Schadenfreude-ian almost?
I would say 'big picture' that if the worst happens, and Kavanaugh is not advanced to the bench, I will have been at least marginally vindicated in my prognostication that his baggage cost them a candidate. However, in the end, another possibly even more strident candidate will be put forward and eventually put on the bench. It's a win either way. I'm no fan of Kavanaugh, but for what he's been through these past few weeks, the guy deserves the job. For certain, it can do nothing but harden his resolve to be a grade A bastard to the left for decades to come. Then again, the next guy will do the same. I've nothing invested in Kavanaugh, and he wasn't my first or second or third choice, mainly because his 'swamp' stained from his political past(nothing to do with these lurid allegations of course).
I'm more than a bit bent in where I find humor. Hope it doesn't offend(well, it may offend at least one other person, but I care not about that).
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on September 24, 2018, 03:43:03 PM
Post by: LevelWing on September 24, 2018, 03:58:05 PM
Further, do we know that Judge Kavanaugh was specifically named in that therapy session? That’s what is implied, but to my knowledge we have no idea. It actually seems odd to name a specific individual in a therapy session.Supposedly her husband mentioned his name during that therapy session but it never made it into the therapist's notes. I believe that's what I read, anyway.
Post by: LevelWing on September 24, 2018, 04:00:12 PM
I would say 'big picture' that if the worst happens, and Kavanaugh is not advanced to the bench, I will have been at least marginally vindicated in my prognostication that his baggage cost them a candidate. However, in the end, another possibly even more strident candidate will be put forward and eventually put on the bench. It's a win either way. I'm no fan of Kavanaugh, but for what he's been through these past few weeks, the guy deserves the job. For certain, it can do nothing but harden his resolve to be a grade A bastard to the left for decades to come. Then again, the next guy will do the same. I've nothing invested in Kavanaugh, and he wasn't my first or second or third choice, mainly because his 'swamp' stained from his political past(nothing to do with these lurid allegations of course).Not only is that not how this works, but it would be improper for him to do so and it would be against everything he is and has shown to be over his career. His job isn't to stick it to the left, it's to be a fair and impartial justice and determine that Constitutionality of cases brought before the Supreme Court.
Post by: invflatspin on September 24, 2018, 04:21:14 PM
Not only is that not how this works, but it would be improper for him to do so and it would be against everything he is and has shown to be over his career. His job isn't to stick it to the left, it's to be a fair and impartial justice and determine that Constitutionality of cases brought before the Supreme Court.
Appreciate the instruction, but we all know better. No one at the federal bench is immune. I have yet to find a history of any SCOTUS member who wasn't partisan. Ginsburg is the current poster-boy for partisanship. I'm sure that when Thomas was elevated to the bench, he was as impartial as the day is long. He might be closest to impartial, but no one is perfect.
If there were a truly impartial jurist, almost everything would be struck down from the bench, as literally everything the govt does encroaches on rights of the people(or states).
Post by: bflynn on September 24, 2018, 06:54:10 PM
I will have been at least marginally vindicated in my prognostication that his baggage cost them a candidate.
He has no baggage. Have you bought into the lies?
Post by: Lucifer on September 24, 2018, 07:01:08 PM
He has no baggage. Have you bought into the lies?
When someone surrounds themselves with lies in their everyday life, then other's lies become plausible, if not believable.
Post by: Lucifer on September 24, 2018, 07:27:39 PM
https://www.mediaite.com/online/hearing-in-doubt-christine-fords-lawyer-rips-senate-plan-to-have-prosecutor-ask-questions-not-fair-and-respectful/
Post by: invflatspin on September 24, 2018, 07:30:10 PM
He has no baggage. Have you bought into the lies?
I have baggage, you have baggage. We all have baggage. Of course, this kind of stuff is not what I expected at all, but still - baggage. And no, I haven't bought in to anything. We don't know if they are lies or not, at this point unfounded accusations, but I can no more say they are lies, than the left can say they are truth. What it comes down to, is that it will forever be unknowable. Barring the ineffable blue dress with spooge on it moment of course.
Post by: Number7 on September 24, 2018, 07:44:50 PM
Here we go.......
https://www.mediaite.com/online/hearing-in-doubt-christine-fords-lawyer-rips-senate-plan-to-have-prosecutor-ask-questions-not-fair-and-respectful/
There is no way that ms ford can face an actual cross examination of the levels fo lies and fabrications that have been, and are being floated as her handlers search for some lie that will fly thru the confirmation committee. We've heard all kinds of crap, but nothing that even hints at a crime, other than bullshit by the whore, stormy's attorney.
Post by: PropWash on September 24, 2018, 08:15:24 PM
Post by: LevelWing on September 25, 2018, 04:40:06 AM
Here we go.......Let this run its course. Judge Kavanaugh gave an interview to Fox News last night where he provided some pretty big specifics and he took risk doing so, once again demonstrating that he's gone out of his way to clear his name. Let's see what the Committee decides to do. Due diligence has been given, and then some, to Mrs. Ford, so either she shows or the Committee votes.
https://www.mediaite.com/online/hearing-in-doubt-christine-fords-lawyer-rips-senate-plan-to-have-prosecutor-ask-questions-not-fair-and-respectful/
Post by: bflynn on September 25, 2018, 05:54:33 AM
Quote
BOMBSHELL: Blasey-Ford’s HS Yearbooks Brag of Drunken Promiscuity, ’54 Sex Partners Before College’
One friend, (identified briefly on social media) alleges Blasey-Ford (Holton Arms, Class of 1984) suffered no memory loss whatsoever in describing and bragging about her sexual conquests and paramours, identifying 54 sexual partners between her junior year of high school and enrollment in college. The social media post (below) claims Blasey-Ford previously allegedly admitted to being an alcoholic in high school . . .
http://www.shadolsonshow.com/2018/09/20/bombshell-blasey-fords-hs-yearbooks-brag-of-drunken-promiscuity-54-sex-partners-before-college/ (http://www.shadolsonshow.com/2018/09/20/bombshell-blasey-fords-hs-yearbooks-brag-of-drunken-promiscuity-54-sex-partners-before-college/)
(http://www.pilotspin.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2958.0;attach=742)
Post by: Lucifer on September 25, 2018, 06:08:49 AM
Seriously?
Post by: Number7 on September 25, 2018, 06:18:07 AM
WTF kind of school publishes a yearbook like this?
Seriously?
The same kind that turns out people like stormy daniels and anita hill.
Post by: Anthony on September 25, 2018, 06:31:56 AM
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on September 25, 2018, 06:40:26 AM
But they saw how effective the weapon was with Keillor, Lauer, Spacey ... and couldn’t resist using it.
But my real suspicion is that these are attention-starved women who were in the target’s vicinity at one time and believe they are taking one for the progressive team while opening the door for a book contract down the road.
Post by: Number7 on September 25, 2018, 06:48:10 AM
Once avenetti showed up it was like this whole thing was scripted months ago to do the most damage possible, just like against Robert Bork, Clarence Thomas an now Justice Kavanaugh.
The modern democrats (communists) are the most divisive, hateful, dishonest, bunch of trash in the history of America and that includes Diana Chrysler and Benedict Arnold.
Post by: Rush on September 25, 2018, 06:54:17 AM
The big problem for me believing any of the accusations is the target’s spotless life. One finds oneself asking ... given his whole life ... and this accusation ... which is more likely? That the accusers are lying or that the target behaved out of character?
But they saw how effective the weapon was with Keillor, Lauer, Spacey ... and couldn’t resist using it.
But my real suspicion is that these are attention-starved women who were in the target’s vicinity at one time and believe they are taking one for the progressive team while opening the door for a book contract down the road.
This is correct. As far as I know every one of these accusers are leftist or feminist activists. They think they are doing their part to keep the SC liberal so Roe vs Wade won't be struck down. I truly believe that's the ultimate motivation for all of this.
Post by: bflynn on September 25, 2018, 06:56:03 AM
https://twitter.com/frankthorp/status/1044392822496002049
Vote.
Then I demand an investigation like Mueller's, under oath, which includes Senator Feinstein answering questions to the Senate ethics committee.
Post by: invflatspin on September 25, 2018, 07:03:35 AM
Her background as a virulent anti-President Trump activist, using her cover as an academic to pretend that we should believe whatever vomits from her pie hole because she is so (an steigar says) deserving. Then the circus erupts around her as pathetic losers (progressive democrats) appear to throw a party of lies and hatred, just to hurt someone because their hand picked, corrupt lesbian pig lost the election.
Once avenetti showed up it was like this whole thing was scripted months ago to do the most damage possible, just like against Robert Bork, Clarence Thomas an now Justice Kavanaugh.
The modern democrats (communists) are the most divisive, hateful, dishonest, bunch of trash in the history of America and that includes Diana Chrysler and Benedict Arnold.
I think you are probably pretty accurate here. The holding of the letter from Ford by Feinstein reeks of strategic mayhem. I've heard around the beltway they even have an aphorism for it. Called being 'Borked'(as in, a smear concocted for the simple purpose of destroying a career). I don't know that it went back to Avennati, but he's sure tossed his grenade in where-ever he can.
Post by: Number7 on September 25, 2018, 07:06:16 AM
The risk of putting that trash on the stand is that people would actually hear her words and see her lying and lying about lying, then lying about lying about the lies.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on September 25, 2018, 07:44:13 AM
I wanted to say that they’d feel better instantly if they just stopped trying to believe they should support the Democratic Party. That the mental contortions required to see the Dems in a favorable light were taking a toll on their bodies. That it’s much more relaxed and happy over here in the big tent party.
I didn’t say those things. But I still want to.
Post by: Lucifer on September 25, 2018, 08:15:08 AM
Post by: invflatspin on September 25, 2018, 09:50:14 AM
SHOCKING! She might not come.
In new letter from Dr Ford’s Attorney to the Judiciary Committee, they again object to having outside counsel ask the questions for republicans at Thursday’s hearing, and ask for the name and resume of who that person will be.
https://twitter.com/frankthorp/status/1044392822496002049
Vote.
Then I demand an investigation like Mueller's, under oath, which includes Senator Feinstein answering questions to the Senate ethics committee.
OK, we can do that. Her name is Ann Coulter. She is a licensed attorney, including in DC. She also is a commentator on several news organizations, and author of several books. (oh how I wish this could be!!)
Post by: jb1842 on September 25, 2018, 12:18:59 PM
Post by: Lucifer on September 25, 2018, 02:08:39 PM
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Post by: Lucifer on September 25, 2018, 04:15:27 PM
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/09/25/white-house-lashes-out-feinstein-838942
My bet is Prof Ford will be a no show on Thursday.
Post by: Dweyant on September 25, 2018, 05:27:09 PM
She is only running a low chance of a slander or libel suite now. If she lied under oath...,
It will of course be because the republicans aren’t being fair.....
-Dan
Post by: Lucifer on September 25, 2018, 05:30:23 PM
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on September 25, 2018, 05:44:16 PM
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on September 25, 2018, 05:46:05 PM
Hoping that Trump’s fighting spirit is catching and we see some standing of ground in this case.
Post by: bflynn on September 25, 2018, 06:03:42 PM
Hoping that Trump’s fighting spirit is catching and we see some standing of ground in this case.
They will be standing their ground or they will be standing on the outside.
Post by: LevelWing on September 25, 2018, 06:18:38 PM
https://ntknetwork.com/biden-in-1991-the-fbi-do-not-reach-conclusions-when-investigating-sexual-misconduct/
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on September 25, 2018, 08:08:11 PM
Post by: Lucifer on September 26, 2018, 07:43:31 AM
(https://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/stg092518dAPR20180925024508.jpg)
Post by: LevelWing on September 27, 2018, 05:16:01 AM
Senator Merkley (D-OR) said he he was going to ask a federal judge for an injunction to stop the Senate from voting because it's interfering with the Senate's "Constitutional duties" to provide "advice and consent". Never mind that's exactly what the entire process has been for.
The hearing is set for 10:00AM EST today.
Post by: Lucifer on September 27, 2018, 05:23:01 AM
If nothing else the progressives have shown how desperate they are. And that desperation has turned into a gift to the republicans come November.
Post by: Little Joe on September 27, 2018, 05:25:54 AM
This thread has died down a bit. There's now a fourth "accuser" that came forward via an anonymous letter to Senator Gardner's (R-CO) office. Additionally, two men have come forward saying they believe that they may have been the ones who had the encounter with Ms. Ford, not Kavanaugh and the Senate Judiciary Committee has interviewed them.I thought it was a hoot that the Dems were accusing the Reps of introducing surprise witnesses shortly before the hearing for political purposes.
Senator Merkley (D-OR) said he he was going to ask a federal judge for an injunction to stop the Senate from voting because it's interfering with the Senate's "Constitutional duties" to provide "advice and consent". Never mind that's exactly what the entire process has been for.
The hearing is set for 10:00AM EST today.
Someone said (I forget who) how surprised they were that the Dems could say that with a straight face. That was my initial reaction.
Post by: LevelWing on September 27, 2018, 07:09:02 AM
https://www.c-span.org/video/?451895-1/judge-kavanaugh-professor-blasey-ford-testify-sexual-assault-allegations&playEvent&live
Post by: Lucifer on September 27, 2018, 08:08:11 AM
And her opening statement was written by the attorneys.
Post by: Lucifer on September 27, 2018, 08:12:40 AM
Post by: Lucifer on September 27, 2018, 08:17:09 AM
Post by: LevelWing on September 27, 2018, 08:19:48 AM
It's obvious the democrats on the JC gave their questions to Ford's lawyers to be rehearsed.They're not asking questions that really need to be rehearsed. Well, what few questions they're actually asking in between grandstanding, anyway.
Post by: Lucifer on September 27, 2018, 08:21:21 AM
They're not asking questions that really need to be rehearsed. Well, what few questions they're actually asking in between grandstanding, anyway.
It's rather obvious. Leahy's questions and her responses were rehearsed. Same with Feinstein.
Post by: Lucifer on September 27, 2018, 08:25:29 AM
Post by: LevelWing on September 27, 2018, 08:41:20 AM
"FBI investigation".....over and over.You knew that's how this hearing was going to go. Republicans were going to ask (mostly) serious questions and try to ascertain the facts while the Democrats were going to pontificate. I expect at the end of this the Committee will vote, it'll move to a floor vote, Kavanaugh will be confirmed, and the Democrats will continue to cry until the next major thing comes up.
Imagine what will happen if Trump is able to nominate another justice.
Post by: Number7 on September 27, 2018, 08:42:58 AM
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on September 27, 2018, 08:54:33 AM
"FBI investigation".....over and over.https://americanlookout.com/flashback-in-1991-joe-biden-dismissed-fbi-investigations-of-scotus-nominees-as-pointless-video/
Post by: Lucifer on September 27, 2018, 08:57:03 AM
https://americanlookout.com/flashback-in-1991-joe-biden-dismissed-fbi-investigations-of-scotus-nominees-as-pointless-video/
Yep. But the dims will disregard. They are building their case if Kavanaugh gets confirmed he is "illegitimate" and should be impeached.
Post by: acrogimp on September 27, 2018, 09:41:28 AM
I stopped listening and turned Rush off, back to the 80's on 8 on Sirius.
I do predict though that this will result in a red wave election for the mid-terms - I think people are tired of this kind of bullshit and realize only one side uses this playbook - at least I hope they do.
If Mr. Turtle holds a vote absent the Committee I will gladly eat my hat but not holding my breath.
What the fuck has happened to our country?
'Gimp
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on September 27, 2018, 10:00:43 AM
The down side is the five minutes and five minutes for the attorney asking the "R" questions is not working.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on September 27, 2018, 10:01:59 AM
Post by: Anthony on September 27, 2018, 10:04:06 AM
Stick a fork in him, the Republicans have so dropped the ball on this, it is over.
I stopped listening and turned Rush off, back to the 80's on 8 on Sirius.
I do predict though that this will result in a red wave election for the mid-terms - I think people are tired of this kind of bullshit and realize only one side uses this playbook - at least I hope they do.
If Mr. Turtle holds a vote absent the Committee I will gladly eat my hat but not holding my breath.
What the fuck has happened to our country?
'Gimp
I agree Gimp. The R's did drop the ball. I am not so sure about a red wave though as the Media has done a pretty good job of parroting, and repeating the Democrat lies that enough people may believe them. Also, they'd done a good job of demonizing Trump. The question is will the great economy, and other Trump wins be enough for the R's to keep the majorities in both houses. I am not so sure.
Post by: invflatspin on September 27, 2018, 10:13:58 AM
She was so drunk she couldn't remember anything except Brett Kavanaugh? On ONE beer?
Post by: LevelWing on September 27, 2018, 10:21:05 AM
It looks like along with Senators Collins and Murkowski, Senators Flake and Heller are also swing votes on this.
Post by: Lucifer on September 27, 2018, 10:28:13 AM
Dr. Ford is coming across as very credible. That doesn't mean that her story doesn't have holes, which Ms. Mitchell is poking holes in, but Dr. Ford clearly believes what she is saying. We'll see how it goes with Judge Kavanaugh.
It looks like along with Senators Collins and Murkowski, Senators Flake and Heller are also swing votes on this.
Compulsive liars will come across as credible if one doesn't know the facts. Prof Ford has had almost two weeks of rehearsal and prepping for this. The facts still remain that Prof Ford cannot corroborate any of this. Even her admitting she doesn't know who paid for the lie detector test, she flies everywhere even though she has a fear of flying and she was unaware that the JC had offered to come to her in California.
Post by: LevelWing on September 27, 2018, 10:32:40 AM
Compulsive liars will come across as credible if one doesn't know the facts.Are you accusing her of being a compulsive liar? Do you not believe that anything happened in the 1980s, or do you allow that something may have happened, but it may not have been with Judge Kavanaugh?
Prof Ford has had almost two weeks of rehearsal and prepping for this. The facts still remain that Prof Ford cannot corroborate any of this.Of course she prepared for this, I wouldn't expect anything else. Also correct that nothing has been corroborated yet. An allegation is just that, an allegation, until other evidence is provided. That evidence has not been presented.
Even her admitting she doesn't know who paid for the lie detector test, she flies everywhere even though she has a fear of flying and she was unaware that the JC had offered to come to her in California.The polygraph test is something I'd be curious to learn more about. As for the flying, I think that's more a tactic of her legal team than of by her. People fly all the time despite hating flying. I think her legal team tried to use that as an excuse to just buy more time. It worked.
Post by: Lucifer on September 27, 2018, 10:40:00 AM
Let's break this down a bit.
Are you accusing her of being a compulsive liar? Do you not believe that anything happened in the 1980s, or do you allow that something may have happened, but it may not have been with Judge Kavanaugh?
I'm saying she is unstable, and yes, I believe she is a compulsive liar. She is showing several traits that lead me to believe that.
Also, she had all of her social media scrubbed. Why? Also, why did she go to activist lawyers to represent her? These lawyers are highly partisan, why did she not go with a lawyer specializing in sexual crimes?
Of course she prepared for this, I wouldn't expect anything else. Also correct that nothing has been corroborated yet. An allegation is just that, an allegation, until other evidence is provided. That evidence has not been presented.
It's fairly easy to see when the carefully rehearsed parts come up. The opening statement was written by her attorneys, not her. The questions from the democrats are already known and answers rehearsed.
The polygraph test is something I'd be curious to learn more about. As for the flying, I think that's more a tactic of her legal team than of by her. People fly all the time despite hating flying. I think her legal team tried to use that as an excuse to just buy more time. It worked.
The flying part discredits her and shows she is willing to use dishonesty to further her gains.
Post by: acrogimp on September 27, 2018, 10:43:35 AM
Fucking disgusted.
'Gimp
Post by: Lucifer on September 27, 2018, 10:48:09 AM
None of this matter guys, it is over - she got her voice breaking sound bite and that is all we will see on the news - it is done.
Fucking disgusted.
'Gimp
I agree the optics were well planned and rehearsed to get that soundbite. There is a treasure trove of sound bites with this clown show, and the JC republicans have allowed this to happen by pandering to the mouth foaming alt left progressives.
Post by: LevelWing on September 27, 2018, 10:50:51 AM
I'm saying she is unstable, and yes, I believe she is a compulsive liar. She is showing several traits that lead me to believe that.Are you qualified to make the assertion that she's unstable, based off what you're watching on TV, while she's under immense stress and pressure of testifying on national television before a Congressional committee?
I think she went through something in the 1980s, but I'm not convinced that it was Judge Kavanaugh that committed the assault. There has been no corroborating evidence to suggest that he did this.
Also, she had all of her social media scrubbed. Why? Also, why did she go to activist lawyers to represent her? These lawyers are highly partisan, why did she not go with a lawyer specializing in sexual crimes?Those are questions that may or may not actually matter at this point, but I don't deny that they're intriguing. When I say that they may not matter at this point, it's not uncommon for activist lawyers to represent clients in high profile cases such as this. The Democrats have clearly demonstrated that they're not interested in the truth, they're interested in grandstanding and delaying.
It's fairly easy to see when the carefully rehearsed parts come up. The opening statement was written by her attorneys, not her. The questions from the democrats are already known and answers rehearsed.Who wrote the opening statement is irrelevant. In fact, it was probably a good idea for her attorney's to write it to alleviate legal concerns from the start. You're speculating about the questions being passed to the attorneys but I agree that it's plausible.
The flying part discredits her and shows she is willing to use dishonesty to further her gains.Her fear of flying doesn't mean she wasn't assaulted in the 1980s.
Post by: Lucifer on September 27, 2018, 10:54:53 AM
Are you qualified to make the assertion that she's unstable, based off what you're watching on TV, while she's under immense stress and pressure of testifying on national television before a Congressional committee?
I think she went through something in the 1980s, but I'm not convinced that it was Judge Kavanaugh that committed the assault. There has been no corroborating evidence to suggest that he did this.
Those are questions that may or may not actually matter at this point, but I don't deny that they're intriguing. When I say that they may not matter at this point, it's not uncommon for activist lawyers to represent clients in high profile cases such as this. The Democrats have clearly demonstrated that they're not interested in the truth, they're interested in grandstanding and delaying.
Who wrote the opening statement is irrelevant. In fact, it was probably a good idea for her attorney's to write it to alleviate legal concerns from the start. You're speculating about the questions being passed to the attorneys but I agree that it's plausible.
Her fear of flying doesn't mean she wasn't assaulted in the 1980s.
Believe whatever you want to believe.
Post by: nddons on September 27, 2018, 11:07:08 AM
None of this matter guys, it is over - she got her voice breaking sound bite and that is all we will see on the news - it is done.I don’t think Kavanaugh is done. Yes, the R’s fucked thugs up, as always. But I’m hearing backbone from McConnell, Lindsey Graham, and other previously squishy people that I didn’t anticipate. Graham sounds like a new man now that McCain is dead.
Fucking disgusted.
'Gimp
I think he’ll be confirmed, albeit he’ll have a taint for about 6 years. And I think there will be a red wave.
Post by: Lucifer on September 27, 2018, 11:10:12 AM
I don’t think Kavanaugh is done. Yes, the R’s fucked thugs up, as always. But I’m hearing backbone from McConnell, Lindsey Graham, and other previously squishy people that I didn’t anticipate. Graham sounds like a new man now that McCain is dead.
I think he’ll be confirmed, albeit he’ll have a taint for about 6 years. And I think there will be a red wave.
I tend to believe this. If the republicans back down now, they are toast with regards of getting anyone conservative on the SC as the alt left progressives will just concoct sex smear after sex smear against anyone the President nominates.
Post by: Rush on September 27, 2018, 11:15:28 AM
You can stop at 5:15 if you don't want to listen to the whole thing. You'll get the jist.
Post by: acrogimp on September 27, 2018, 11:15:41 AM
I don’t think Kavanaugh is done. Yes, the R’s fucked thugs up, as always. But I’m hearing backbone from McConnell, Lindsey Graham, and other previously squishy people that I didn’t anticipate. Graham sounds like a new man now that McCain is dead.From your mouth to God's ears - I hope so but I gave up about 30 minutes into Rush's coverage. If Mr. Turtle and Grahamnesty deliver I will be gobsmacked.
I think he’ll be confirmed, albeit he’ll have a taint for about 6 years. And I think there will be a red wave.
I do think this will lead to a red wave.
'Gimp
Post by: Anthony on September 27, 2018, 11:20:09 AM
I do think this will lead to a red wave.
I hope you are right. If so, then I will have renewed hope in this country, and the process.
Post by: LevelWing on September 27, 2018, 11:20:19 AM
From your mouth to God's ears - I hope so but I gave up about 30 minutes into Rush's coverage. If Mr. Turtle and Grahamnesty deliver I will be gobsmacked.I know people love to hate on Cocaine Mitch, and there's plenty of good reasons to do that, but remember he's the one who pushed Gorsuch through and removed the filibuster rule and got him confirmed. There's been no corroborating evidence to support any of the allegations against Kavanaugh, so as of right now, I see no reason why he wouldn't push Kavanaugh for a vote. He's already notified the Senate that they should plan to debate over the weekend and prepare for a vote. We'll see if anything new develops and if the Committee vote happens tomorrow or not.
I do think this will lead to a red wave.
'Gimp
Post by: Anthony on September 27, 2018, 11:26:04 AM
Her fear of flying doesn't mean she wasn't assaulted in the 1980s.
Totally agree. However, it has been revealed she is a "world traveler", and flies a lot. Why would she mislead people about having a fear of flying now?
Post by: LevelWing on September 27, 2018, 11:28:57 AM
Totally agree. However, it has been revealed she is a "world traveler", and flies a lot. Why would she mislead people about having a fear of flying now?People fly all the time despite having fears of it. More importantly in this case is that I think this was a maneuver by her legal team to buy more time. I think it creates a problem for her testimony as a whole today because it creates an inconsistency that can be combined with the other inconsistencies with her testimony.
Post by: Rush on September 27, 2018, 11:31:34 AM
From your mouth to God's ears - I hope so but I gave up about 30 minutes into Rush's coverage. If Mr. Turtle and Grahamnesty deliver I will be gobsmacked.
I do think this will lead to a red wave.
'Gimp
I couldn't listen to it, I was busy dealing with real life, but just now tuned in to Rush and caught a newsbite of the woman and her squeaky little female voice, designed to tug the heartstrings of males. I cannot listen to any more - it makes me sick.
IT IS SO OBVIOUS that no matter who the Republicans try to put on the SC the Democrats will pull this same stunt. They've a solid history of doing this exact thing to everyone they don't like. It is completely tainted and lacking credibility because it's been overused.
The truth is that virtually all teenagers have had some sort of fumbling quasi sexual contact. In the case of Republicans whatever might be there WILL be used against them and if there is nothing there they'll make up lies. This is very old, very hypocritical, and applied in a very one-sided way.
Post by: invflatspin on September 27, 2018, 11:56:43 AM
She had an 'event' which was memorable. She believes sincerely that Kavanaugh was the guy. However, being that she was drunk at the time, she didn't report it to anyone. She KNEW it was a teenage drunken escapade, and that her back-story would not hold up to any kind of even the most primitive scrutiny so kept it to herself - until it was time to aid her fellow alt-left buddies, and link this episode to someone of prominence on the right, who could be derailed, or at a minimum be stained, and also delay the confirmation to the point that just maybe - the Dems would take the senate and ball up the process.
Opportunist, drunken slut, entitled rich-bitch party girl who was focused on screwing 56 guys before college. Between her and a less than perfect Kavanaugh, I still take him.
Post by: LevelWing on September 27, 2018, 12:17:22 PM
Post by: acrogimp on September 27, 2018, 12:23:00 PM
We need guys like this.
'Gimp
Post by: Lucifer on September 27, 2018, 12:26:23 PM
Sweet mother of God, they better hope this dude never makes it to SCOTUS - holy shit this is the best fire and brimstone pushback I may have ever heard - right up there with Justice Thomas's 'high tech lynching'.
We need guys like this.
'Gimp
Damn right!
Nice to see people fighting back against these communist.
Post by: nddons on September 27, 2018, 12:27:53 PM
From your mouth to God's ears - I hope so but I gave up about 30 minutes into Rush's coverage. If Mr. Turtle and Grahamnesty deliver I will be gobsmacked.You need to tune into the hearing live. Kavanaugh is on fire. He’s taking it to the democrats. Fucking awesome.
I do think this will lead to a red wave.
'Gimp
Post by: nddons on September 27, 2018, 12:28:54 PM
Sweet mother of God, they better hope this dude never makes it to SCOTUS - holy shit this is the best fire and brimstone pushback I may have ever heard - right up there with Justice Thomas's 'high tech lynching'.Fuckin’ A, Bubba!
We need guys like this.
'Gimp
Post by: LevelWing on September 27, 2018, 12:29:12 PM
Quote from: Judge Brett Kavanaugh
This confirmation process has become a national disgrace.
...
You have replaced advice and consent with search and destroy.
Post by: nddons on September 27, 2018, 12:31:14 PM
“You sowed the winds for decades to come.”
Post by: Username on September 27, 2018, 12:34:34 PM
Post by: Lucifer on September 27, 2018, 12:35:27 PM
Onward.
Post by: LevelWing on September 27, 2018, 12:36:34 PM
Post by: invflatspin on September 27, 2018, 12:40:05 PM
Post by: Rush on September 27, 2018, 12:41:23 PM
Post by: invflatspin on September 27, 2018, 12:43:00 PM
Post by: Lucifer on September 27, 2018, 12:46:35 PM
The dims in the red states will have a tough time voting no, and if they do, the R's will see to it they are out.
Had he just sat there calm and cool saying I didn't do it, he would be toast. People like a fighter.
And I don't blame the emotion. He's pissed, as I would be too. People get this.
Post by: LevelWing on September 27, 2018, 12:50:13 PM
OK, get the fork back out. He's cooked.I'm not sure what you're basing this off of. He has been accused of rape, been called evil, and had his family and his name dragged through the mud. Of course he's angry and of course he's fighting back. Wouldn't you?
Post by: invflatspin on September 27, 2018, 12:53:44 PM
I'm not sure what you're basing this off of. He has been accused of rape, been called evil, and had his family and his name dragged through the mud. Of course he's angry and of course he's fighting back. Wouldn't you?
I wouldn't break down like a snowflake and sniffle and whine through my statement. I would have powered down a couple of Red Bulls and ripped the whole left wing a new asshole. Including some well chosen profanity. Fighters usually don't cry, but - maybe that is just me.
Post by: invflatspin on September 27, 2018, 12:58:57 PM
Post by: Rush on September 27, 2018, 01:00:10 PM
I wouldn't break down like a snowflake and sniffle and whine through my statement. I would have powered down a couple of Red Bulls and ripped the whole left wing a new asshole. Including some well chosen profanity. Fighters usually don't cry, but - maybe that is just me.
You might be right but you might not. Interesting to see which way this goes. He's behaving like a wrongly accused innocent.
But maybe the sniffling from a man affects you like the sniffling from a female affects me, just sickening. If so I get that.
Post by: invflatspin on September 27, 2018, 01:05:01 PM
Post by: LevelWing on September 27, 2018, 01:07:32 PM
He's rallying now.You just said he was done for. Why don't you just let him get through the hearing?
Post by: Lucifer on September 27, 2018, 01:08:24 PM
I wouldn't break down like a snowflake and sniffle and whine through my statement. I would have powered down a couple of Red Bulls and ripped the whole left wing a new asshole. Including some well chosen profanity. Fighters usually don't cry, but - maybe that is just me.
Post by: invflatspin on September 27, 2018, 01:12:01 PM
You just said he was done for. Why don't you just let him get through the hearing?
Ok, sounds fair. I was just doing some play-by-play, but I'll stop.
Post by: LevelWing on September 27, 2018, 01:36:54 PM
Ok, sounds fair. I was just doing some play-by-play, but I'll stop.I was referring to the determination on whether or not he's done.
Post by: LevelWing on September 27, 2018, 01:39:12 PM
Post by: Lucifer on September 27, 2018, 01:40:12 PM
Post by: Lucifer on September 27, 2018, 01:48:01 PM
Post by: Rush on September 27, 2018, 01:57:11 PM
Post by: Lucifer on September 27, 2018, 02:06:06 PM
They (dims) keep hounding Kavanaugh to have the FBI investigate. It's not up to Kavanaugh, he's the nominee. The Chairman of the JC makes that call. The FBI has already chimed in and said they will not investigate.
The whole "FBI investigate" is nothing more than a delay tactic. Period.
Post by: LevelWing on September 27, 2018, 02:07:47 PM
This is so stupid.Right before, I think it was Senator Durbin, the prosecutor, Ms. Mitchell, had just gotten done asking Judge Kavanaugh if he was aware that it would be a local law enforcement agency that would investigate, not the FBI.
They (dims) keep hounding Kavanaugh to have the FBI investigate. It's not up to Kavanaugh, he's the nominee. The Chairman of the JC makes that call. The FBI has already chimed in and said they will not investigate.
The whole "FBI investigate" is nothing more than a delay tactic. Period.
Post by: Lucifer on September 27, 2018, 02:10:24 PM
He's will get the vote from the JC, and he will be confirmed.
Post by: LevelWing on September 27, 2018, 02:12:31 PM
I'm impressed with Kavanaugh in this hearing. He's given to them laft and right. Feinstein looked like she had been hit by a truck.I agree. In fact, this may have been enough to get not only all Republican votes but a few of the swing Democratic votes as well.
He's will get the vote from the JC, and he will be confirmed.
Post by: Lucifer on September 27, 2018, 02:14:01 PM
I agree. In fact, this may have been enough to get not only all Republican votes but a few of the swing Democratic votes as well.
Red state dems up for re election will have a hell of a time if they vote no.
Post by: asechrest on September 27, 2018, 02:29:06 PM
This is the penultimate result of #MeToo, gone overboard and awry. Hope he gets through it.
Post by: Lucifer on September 27, 2018, 02:52:35 PM
Post by: jb1842 on September 27, 2018, 03:12:51 PM
Blumenthal just got his ass handed to him.
Something is wrong when a person who lied about serving in Vietnam gets to question the integrity of anybody.
Post by: Dweyant on September 27, 2018, 03:14:17 PM
Something is wrong when a person who lied about serving in Vietnam gets to question the integrity of anybody.
This just disgusts me.
Post by: nddons on September 27, 2018, 03:16:40 PM
This is the penultimate result of #MeToo, gone overboard and awry. Hope he gets through it.The democrats have done irreparable harm to that movement, in the naked thirst for power. It’s disgusting and pathetic.
Post by: Dweyant on September 27, 2018, 03:26:55 PM
The democrats have done irreparable harm to that movement, in the naked thirst for power. It’s disgusting and pathetic.
Once again showing that democrats (and honestly probably all politicians) really don't give a Damn about anything or anyone other than there own power.
Post by: jb1842 on September 27, 2018, 03:29:09 PM
Once again showing that democrats (and honestly probably all politicians) really don't give a Damn about anything or anyone other than there own power.
And putting on a show to get re-elected. This is a prime example of why we need term limits, and get rid of career politicians.
Post by: LevelWing on September 27, 2018, 03:44:12 PM
https://twitter.com/burgessev/status/1045439174646599680
Post by: invflatspin on September 27, 2018, 03:53:24 PM
Post by: bflynn on September 27, 2018, 04:20:58 PM
As someone associated with neither party, I am more disgusted with Democrats right now than I have ever been.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on September 27, 2018, 04:46:50 PM
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/09/27/president-trump-tweets-at-conclusion-of-kavanaugh-hearing/
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on September 27, 2018, 05:34:54 PM
Post by: nddons on September 27, 2018, 05:50:54 PM
Yeppers.Spot on.
Post by: nddons on September 27, 2018, 05:51:03 PM
Yeppers.Spot on.
Post by: Old Crow on September 27, 2018, 06:18:02 PM
Post by: LevelWing on September 27, 2018, 06:25:27 PM
Just think if Kavanaugh does get confirmed. He'll never forget what the Dims did... If the GOP congress has half a brain they know this.This has been mentioned before and as I said before, if he's half the jurist he says he is, this won't factor into his decisions. He can harbor resentment and anger all he wants, but to make a ruling purely of spite would discredit his career's work.
Post by: Old Crow on September 27, 2018, 06:36:26 PM
This has been mentioned before and as I said before, if he's half the jurist he says he is, this won't factor into his decisions. He can harbor resentment and anger all he wants, but to make a ruling purely of spite would discredit his career's work.Hmm, I must have missed that. I do agree with you that I feel he won't hold grudges in any rulings.
Post by: Lucifer on September 27, 2018, 06:46:09 PM
Post by: President in Exile YOLT on September 27, 2018, 07:22:02 PM
This is the penultimate result of #MeToo, gone overboard and awry. Hope he gets through it.(https://media.tenor.com/images/46a3a3c13ba43e294980de89fcee0da3/tenor.gif)
Post by: invflatspin on September 27, 2018, 07:49:43 PM
It's called human nature. He will never, ever forget what he had to sit through on national television for 4 hours by a bunch of hacks who aren't qualified to clean the scum out of his toes. He may forgive, but it's always gonna be there. We heard a small part of it with his rant on the Dems and how they've hounded him for the past 3 months.
Post by: Number7 on September 27, 2018, 07:52:10 PM
Orrin hatch was a bit peeved, too.
Post by: acrogimp on September 27, 2018, 07:53:48 PM
I am glad that the Republican's realized the optics were poor during Dr. Ford's testimony and shuffled the deck - Senators Lee, Cornyn, Grassley and Kennedy stood out in what I saw as well.
I predict a squeaker to get out of committee on a party line vote and confirmation, also on a party line vote - and I think if the Republicans and Conservative Media, along with Trump himself can keep the utter partisanship and unfairness of this attack front and center in the minds of the people, along with the 'are you better off than you were two years ago' message on the economy and overall situation across the fruited plain they will extend their majorities in both houses of Congress.
There might be a bloodbath coming electorally speaking - remember, Bush added to the majority in his first mid-term too, and that was unheard of.
'Gimp
Post by: Number7 on September 27, 2018, 07:55:54 PM
There might be a bloodbath coming electorally speaking - remember, Bush added to the majority in his first mid-term too, and that was unheard of.
'Gimp
Bush didn't have half the ammunition in the minds of fed up voters that President Trump has.
Post by: bflynn on September 27, 2018, 07:57:11 PM
I'd really like to see impartiality on the bench.
If that is your concern, then you are not thinking it through. Kavanaugh will either be a Supreme Court justice or a federal judge. If he has any level of residual grudge, it will be there wherever he is.
The Dems have turned completely nasty in the politics process. What they have become is a disgrace. Every time someone has said they could not go lower, they seem to have taken that as a challenge.
Post by: invflatspin on September 27, 2018, 09:25:06 PM
If that is your concern, then you are not thinking it through. Kavanaugh will either be a Supreme Court justice or a federal judge. If he has any level of residual grudge, it will be there wherever he is.
Well, first a desire or a want, or like is not a concern. They are not synonyms. Next, as for residual grudge I covered that pretty well in my second para. i.e. human nature. We are, to some extent a product of our previous experiences, including specifically the crap storm he just was exposed to.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on September 28, 2018, 03:57:34 AM
I'd really like to see impartiality on the bench. This guy has been torn to shreds. Can he rise above that? Has Sotomayer? Ginsburg? Once you're on the bench FOR LIFE, I'm guessing in those cases of split hair rulings, Kavanaugh - just like you, or me, or anyone with an ounce of history is going to consciously or maybe unconsciously rationalize a more conservative position.How do you think Thomas has done after having his name dragged through the mud?
It's called human nature. He will never, ever forget what he had to sit through on national television for 4 hours by a bunch of hacks who aren't qualified to clean the scum out of his toes. He may forgive, but it's always gonna be there. We heard a small part of it with his rant on the Dems and how they've hounded him for the past 3 months.
Post by: LevelWing on September 28, 2018, 05:04:20 AM
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/brett-kavanaugh-american-bar-association-aba-fbi-investigation-sexual-assault-claims/
Remember that a large number of Democrats said they would oppose whoever the president nominated. This was going to be a (mostly) party line vote from the beginning. The Democrats have only proven throughout this entire process that they aren’t interested in anything other than a delay.
I also found it interesting that, when Feinstein was questioned yesterday at the end of the hearing, she blamed Dr. Ford’s friends for leaking the letter. She blamed the victim.
I don’t buy into all the outrage from the left this morning about how Kavanaugh acted inappropriately yesterday. The man was accused of not just sexual assault, but gang rape, with no corroborating evidence. Of course he’s angry.
Post by: Lucifer on September 28, 2018, 06:33:39 AM
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2018/09/27/breaking-we-have-the-votes-n2523402
Post by: Rush on September 28, 2018, 06:37:13 AM
The American Bar Association has now issued a letter suggesting the confirmation process be halted until the FBI investigates.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/brett-kavanaugh-american-bar-association-aba-fbi-investigation-sexual-assault-claims/
Remember that a large number of Democrats said they would oppose whoever the president nominated. This was going to be a (mostly) party line vote from the beginning. The Democrats have only proven throughout this entire process that they aren’t interested in anything other than a delay.
I also found it interesting that, when Feinstein was questioned yesterday at the end of the hearing, she blamed Dr. Ford’s friends for leaking the letter. She blamed the victim.
I don’t buy into all the outrage from the left this morning about how Kavanaugh acted inappropriately yesterday. The man was accused of not just sexual assault, but gang rape, with no corroborating evidence. Of course he’s angry.
She organized plausible deniability for herself. "It wasn't me who started this left wing conspiracy to stop the confirmation!"
Post by: LevelWing on September 28, 2018, 06:38:41 AM
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Post by: acrogimp on September 28, 2018, 07:05:36 AM
DiFi is a witch and just bald-faced lied about confidentiality preventing FBI from investigating - I can't believe how calm Grassley has been about this - he was definitely the right guy.
'Gimp
Post by: acrogimp on September 28, 2018, 07:12:22 AM
Put the coverage back on Grassley who is actually working not grandstanding.
'Gimp
Post by: invflatspin on September 28, 2018, 07:13:59 AM
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/09/28/prosecutor-tells-wavering-senators-wouldnt-charge-kavanaugh-as-vote-looms.html
Quoting some famous author; 'there is no "there" there'.
Post by: Number7 on September 28, 2018, 07:19:50 AM
I guess losing AGAIN is just too much for their delicate sensitivities.
Grassley should call for a vote while the fucking losers are absent and send the nomination for Senate vote to show how completely we hold the democrats (communists) in contempt for their behavior.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on September 28, 2018, 07:33:07 AM
Yesterday a woman on #WalkAway wrote she saw some of the hearing, then walked downtown on her lunch hour to change her registration from Dem to Repub.
Post by: Rush on September 28, 2018, 07:40:29 AM
(https://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/stg092718dAPC20180927124505.jpg)
Exactly. It is pure he said she said. Thank God Kavanaugh isn't married to the woman or they'd have him in jail already for rape and domestic abuse on nothing more than her word. I can see why there's a movement among men to stay the hell away from women. They have weaponized verbal accusation and that goes against everything in the legal foundations of this country and before (English Common Law). How family courts get away with doing what they do is a travesty in itself.
Post by: bflynn on September 28, 2018, 07:43:56 AM
The Judiciary Committee is about to vote to send it to the rest of the Senate. Apparently Senator Coons became emotional when he found out that Senator Flake would vote in favor of Judge Kavanaugh.
They vote at 1:30pm EST.
Flake has flipped to yes...I guess the Dems helped him decide.
The children in the democrat party have walked out.
Confirm the judge. Then appoint a special prosecutor because Democrats are so keen on finding out all the information. So, let's find it ALL out.
Post by: invflatspin on September 28, 2018, 07:57:31 AM
I can see why there's a movement among men to stay the hell away from women. They have weaponized verbal accusation and that goes against everything in the legal foundations of this country and before (English Common Law).
I have worked my whole life in a white-male dominated careers. This philosophy has also extended to the business world, and also extended to minorities. There is a clear bias against dealing with women or minorities just to protect from accusations which carry the weight of prejudice or even 'hate crime'. I know I've done it, and I've seen others do it too. Fair? Not at all. Reality? You betcha. In a strange situation at work we have only one minority in the entire nation. And - he's about 80% incompetent. Any other white guy would have been fired long ago.
Post by: Lucifer on September 28, 2018, 07:58:53 AM
(https://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/bg092718dAPR20180927024515.jpg)
Post by: Lucifer on September 28, 2018, 08:06:44 AM
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Post by: nddons on September 28, 2018, 09:19:18 AM
The American Bar Association has now issued a letter suggesting the confirmation process be halted until the FBI investigates.This AM Chuck Grassley refutes that letter, saying it was written by the president of the ABA but represents only his views, and not the views of the ABA. May be semantics, but that’s what he said.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/brett-kavanaugh-american-bar-association-aba-fbi-investigation-sexual-assault-claims/
Remember that a large number of Democrats said they would oppose whoever the president nominated. This was going to be a (mostly) party line vote from the beginning. The Democrats have only proven throughout this entire process that they aren’t interested in anything other than a delay.
I also found it interesting that, when Feinstein was questioned yesterday at the end of the hearing, she blamed Dr. Ford’s friends for leaking the letter. She blamed the victim.
I don’t buy into all the outrage from the left this morning about how Kavanaugh acted inappropriately yesterday. The man was accused of not just sexual assault, but gang rape, with no corroborating evidence. Of course he’s angry.
Post by: Rush on September 28, 2018, 09:41:48 AM
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/09/27/bill-clinton-rape-accuser-juanita-broaddrick-slams-dems-for-biggest-double-standard-on-kavanaugh.html
Post by: Lucifer on September 28, 2018, 10:30:02 AM
Post by: LevelWing on September 28, 2018, 10:33:04 AM
Post by: Lucifer on September 28, 2018, 10:43:16 AM
Post by: LevelWing on September 28, 2018, 10:52:33 AM
Post by: Lucifer on September 28, 2018, 10:52:59 AM
Another delay tactic.
Post by: LevelWing on September 28, 2018, 10:53:26 AM
https://twitter.com/MacFarlaneNews/status/1045728838704123904
Post by: Lucifer on September 28, 2018, 10:56:22 AM
If the republicans fall for this, they are fucked.
Post by: Lucifer on September 28, 2018, 10:58:06 AM
Thanks to those who didn’t see the what the loss of the Alabama seat to the Democrats and the consequences.
Post by: LevelWing on September 28, 2018, 10:59:44 AM
Thanks to those who didn’t see the what the loss of the Alabama seat to the Democrats and the consequences.Check your math. If Flake votes no and Manchin (D-WV) votes yes, Kavanaugh still gets confirmed.
Post by: bflynn on September 28, 2018, 11:02:48 AM
Post by: Lucifer on September 28, 2018, 11:03:40 AM
Check your math. If Flake votes no and Manchin (D-WV) votes yes, Kavanaugh still gets confirmed.
Do your math. This should have never been a razor thin vote. Ceding a vote in an already thin majority has consequences and allows people such as the flake to hold the nomination hostage.
Post by: LevelWing on September 28, 2018, 11:08:54 AM
Do your math.You're joking, right? The math works out.
This should have never been a razor thin vote.Or maybe the Republicans as a whole should've been better and not been in this position to begin with instead of blaming this all on one election. There's plenty of blame to go around. Republicans have had the majority in the Senate since 2015. Also, I find it ironic that you're placing this on the election between Roy Moore and Doug Jones, with Roy Moore having actually been credibly accused of sexual misconduct, unlike Judge Kavanaugh.
Ceding a vote in an already thin majority has consequences and allows people such as the flake to hold the nomination hostage.Flake is right about thing: this is tearing the country apart. That doesn't mean the vote should be delayed, however. These are not credible allegations against Judge Kavanaugh and therefore this should move to a final confirmation vote and Judge Kavanaugh should be confirmed.
Post by: Lucifer on September 28, 2018, 11:18:21 AM
Also, I find it ironic that you're placing this on the election between Roy Moore and Doug Jones, with Roy Moore having actually been credibly accused of sexual misconduct
You’re delusional.
In the law of evidence, a credible witness is a person making testimony in a court or other tribunal, or acting otherwise as a witness, whose credibility is unimpeachable. A witness may have more or less credibility, or no credibility at all. ... A credible witness is "competent to give evidence, and is worthy of belief."
Post by: Lucifer on September 28, 2018, 12:38:46 PM
You're joking, right? The math works out.
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/laurettabrown/2018/09/28/murkowski-sides-with-flake-on-denying-kavanaugh-vote-n2523655
Post by: LevelWing on September 28, 2018, 12:55:03 PM
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/laurettabrown/2018/09/28/murkowski-sides-with-flake-on-denying-kavanaugh-vote-n2523655Additional people will certainly change the math, but we aren't there yet. In fact, we aren't even there with Flake. He hasn't said he wouldn't vote for Kavanaugh, he said he wanted a one week delay to allow the FBI to investigate.
I read something where someone said that this actually takes away ammunition from the Democrats because they won't have anything to fall back on if they get their investigation. I don't think that's true. Instead, I think they're going to say how ridiculous it is that with such serious allegations, it couldn't possibly only take a week and a further delay is required. The funny thing is, Kavanaugh was way more traditional Republican. If for some reason Trump has to withdraw his nomination, he's likely to nominate Amy Coney Barrett, who is way more conservative than Kavanaugh.
Post by: Lucifer on September 28, 2018, 02:04:47 PM
Additional people will certainly change the math, but we aren't there yet. In fact, we aren't even there with Flake. He hasn't said he wouldn't vote for Kavanaugh, he said he wanted a one week delay to allow the FBI to investigate.
I read something where someone said that this actually takes away ammunition from the Democrats because they won't have anything to fall back on if they get their investigation. I don't think that's true. Instead, I think they're going to say how ridiculous it is that with such serious allegations, it couldn't possibly only take a week and a further delay is required. The funny thing is, Kavanaugh was way more traditional Republican. If for some reason Trump has to withdraw his nomination, he's likely to nominate Amy Coney Barrett, who is way more conservative than Kavanaugh.
They already have the ammunition against Barrett, and they will drag her through the mud as bad, if not worse than Kavanaugh. In fact, they have the entire list and they have their ammunition set against any of them. It's "search and destroy" if the republicans allow the progressives to get away with this.
Here's the current game plan: Ask for the FBI investigation. In one week when they have the results, which as predicted won't show anything not already known, the democrats will insist on another hearing, of course, in another week. At that hearing they will demand that Kavanaugh's friends be subpoenaed to testify. They have already began squawking they want Mark Judge to testify. Mr. Judge is a recovering alcoholic and cancer survivor that is not in good health. They want to get him in the chamber and drag him through the mud.
Why? Simple. They have already drug Kavanaugh and his family through the mud and disparaged his name and character. He will have to live with this the rest of his life. So now go after his friends with the hopes he (Kavanaugh) will intervene and withdraw his nomination to save his friends the embarrassment. Pure terrorism at work.
And their is another prong to this: By going full terrorist and using the playbook sex smear routine they are sending a clear message to everyone else on that list that if nominated, "you're next".
The republicans need to put a stop to this right now. "Advise and Consent" was never meant to be "Search and Destroy". We are headed down a very dangerous path if these mouth foaming alt left progressives get their way.
Post by: Lucifer on September 28, 2018, 02:16:06 PM
Flake just upped his contract negotiations with CNN or MSNBC come January.
And keep in mind, these dimms that are making these demands have already stated they are voting "No" regardless of anything.
Post by: Lucifer on September 28, 2018, 03:47:37 PM
Post by: LevelWing on September 28, 2018, 04:28:26 PM
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2018/09/mcconnell-announces-from-senate-floor-all-51-republican-senators-support-motion-to-proceed-to-kavanaugh-nomination-video/Is this strictly procedural or did Flake, Murkowski, and Collins change their minds in the last couple hours and are ready to vote to confirm?
Post by: President in Exile YOLT on September 28, 2018, 04:33:58 PM
Is this strictly procedural or did Flake, Murkowski, and Collins change their minds in the last couple hours and are ready to vote to confirm?
Pro forma.
Post by: Lucifer on September 28, 2018, 04:53:35 PM
Is this strictly procedural or did Flake, Murkowski, and Collins change their minds in the last couple hours and are ready to vote to confirm?
This was announced at 5:13pm today.
However, the dimms have been given a week so the FBI can investigate and tell them what they already know. But rest assured by the first of next week there will be "new allegations" that, of course, will need "investigating".
The republicans are going to regret this move. They still haven't learned there is no negotiating with people hell bent on destruction.
Post by: LevelWing on September 28, 2018, 05:08:17 PM
This was announced at 5:13pm today.Chris Murphy has already said he’s still voting no even with an FBI investigation. The only thing I can remotely see is this provides Murkowski and Collins the support they need to say that the investigation was done so they can vote yes.
However, the dimms have been given a week so the FBI can investigate and tell them what they already know. But rest assured by the first of next week there will be "new allegations" that, of course, will need "investigating".
The republicans are going to regret this move. They still haven't learned there is no negotiating with people hell bent on destruction.
There will be excuse after excuse as to why the vote can’t proceed. The Democrats must think they have a shot at retaking the Senate, because if they don’t get it then it doesn’t matter. And after yesterday I don’t see them retaking it.
Post by: Lucifer on September 29, 2018, 06:45:27 AM
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Post by: LevelWing on October 02, 2018, 11:17:35 AM
Quote from: The Atlantic/Elaina Plott
Speaking with Jeffrey Rosen, the president of the Constitution Center, and Democratic Senator Chris Coons at The Atlantic Festival on Tuesday morning, Flake called the judge’s interactions with lawmakers “sharp and partisan.”
“We can’t have that on the Court,” said the Arizona senator, who didn’t elaborate on which interactions he was referring to.
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/10/jeff-flake-criticizes-supreme-court-nominee-kavanaugh/571915/
McConnell has said the vote is going to happen this week. I'm not sure if he's posturing or if he has the votes. All indications are that he does not yet have the votes since the FBI supplemental background check is still on-going.
Post by: Lucifer on October 02, 2018, 11:28:17 AM
McCaskel is down in the polls after stating she will vote no. Heitkamp is down 10 points, so she can't afford to vote no in a heavy red state. Manchin is another dem in a heavy red state that can't afford a no vote.
Post by: Lucifer on October 02, 2018, 11:55:54 AM
Post by: Lucifer on October 02, 2018, 02:00:49 PM
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2018/10/02/surprise-feinstein-wants-vote-delayed-n2524801
Post by: Number7 on October 02, 2018, 02:20:59 PM
It's time to shut the door and confirm the new USSC Justice.
However...
The more the democrats (communists)continue to show the world exactly how dishonest and lacking in integrity they are, the more people walk away.
Post by: Anthony on October 02, 2018, 02:40:12 PM
Post by: Lucifer on October 02, 2018, 02:44:34 PM
I am anxious to see if there is any backlash at the Poles this November. The Media is in full blown Trump hate mode.
The "big blue wave" will be reduced to the "little yellow trickle". The day after election day the mouth foaming alt left progressives will be in a rage like we've never witnessed, and their MSM will be blaming anyone and everyone. Look for calls of "election interference" from the MSM.
Post by: Lucifer on October 02, 2018, 02:47:03 PM
(https://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/stg100218dAPR20181002044508.jpg)
Post by: bflynn on October 03, 2018, 03:50:24 AM
I am anxious to see if there is any backlash at the Poles this November. The Media is in full blown Trump hate mode.
Why would there backlash against Poland? ;) ;D
I have been looking at polls and I think there already is. My take on the Senate right now is 53 or more Republicans. The Left has been feeding the 51 number based on early biased polling, but now the traditional red states are looking very red.
I don’t know if it is backlash or pollsters protecting their reputation by trying to get it right t the election, but the polls ARE swinging red.
If something fails on this vote, wait a month to see the new senate, then make a recess appt. if Murkowski and others become irrelevant, go ahead and appoint him, then confirm in Jan.
Post by: Anthony on October 03, 2018, 06:21:30 AM
Why would there backlash against Poland? ;) ;D
Don't you know, it wasn't Russia that won Trump the election it was Poland!!! (I type too fast, so have a few typos). LOL! :)
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I have been looking at polls and I think there already is. My take on the Senate right now is 53 or more Republicans. The Left has been feeding the 51 number based on early biased polling, but now the traditional red states are looking very red.
I don’t know if it is backlash or pollsters protecting their reputation by trying to get it right t the election, but the polls ARE swinging red.
If something fails on this vote, wait a month to see the new senate, then make a recess appt. if Murkowski and others become irrelevant, go ahead and appoint him, then confirm in Jan.
The Media is in full TDS, Trump hate mode. They are doing their best to spread the mantra of a Democrat victory. I hope you are right, but I have a hard time trusting any Poles (polls). :)
Post by: Rush on October 03, 2018, 07:15:18 AM
Don't you know, it wasn't Russia that won Trump the election it was Poland!!! (I type too fast, so have a few typos). LOL! :)
The Media is in full TDS, Trump hate mode. They are doing their best to spread the mantra of a Democrat victory. I hope you are right, but I have a hard time trusting any Poles (polls). :)
You missed an opportunity to blame autocorrect. ;D
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on October 03, 2018, 07:22:39 AM
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Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on October 03, 2018, 07:25:36 AM
This sort of polarization makes me very sad. If you watch the hearings, you’ll believe Kavenaugh. If you watch CNN’s reportage of the hearings, you’ll believe Ford.
So here we are.
Post by: Lucifer on October 03, 2018, 07:34:20 AM
Fox had a poll that showed 74% of Repubs polled believed Kavenaugh and 73% of Dims polled believed Ford.
This sort of polarization makes me very sad. If you watch the hearings, you’ll believe Kavenaugh. If you watch CNN’s reportage of the hearings, you’ll believe Ford.
So here we are.
The whole setup of this by the dims is falling apart. They had hoped to get soundbites from the hearing of "old white men" grilling an "innocent victim". Instead they got soundbites of democrat senators grandstanding and declaring "guilty until proven innocent" as their new norm.
Also, we are finding out more about Prof Ford's lies. She couldn't show up in a few days because she is afraid of flying, but yet she admits she is a world traveler. She was unsure of how a lie detector process works, but yet she has prepped others on how to take lie detector test. Her previous BF of 10 years never ever heard anything about sexual abuse from her, never. Also, she has shown in her previous history she doesn't have a problem telling lies.
Post by: Anthony on October 03, 2018, 07:35:13 AM
I have a very good friend who is Polish, and I am appalled at the anti-Poland sentiment on this board.
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Watch it. The Media will now rant Poland, Poland, Poland!!! as a cause for Hillary losing.
Post by: LevelWing on October 03, 2018, 10:34:46 AM
Fox had a poll that showed 74% of Repubs polled believed Kavenaugh and 73% of Dims polled believed Ford.Can you provide a link to the poll? It's not a simple issue of believing one over the other. You can believe that Dr. Ford was sexually assaulted by someone, at some point, in her past. You can also believe that it wasn't Judge Kavanaugh that did it. That poll seems misleading.
This sort of polarization makes me very sad. If you watch the hearings, you’ll believe Kavenaugh. If you watch CNN’s reportage of the hearings, you’ll believe Ford.
So here we are.
Post by: LevelWing on October 03, 2018, 10:37:32 AM
The whole setup of this by the dims is falling apart. They had hoped to get soundbites from the hearing of "old white men" grilling an "innocent victim". Instead they got soundbites of democrat senators grandstanding and declaring "guilty until proven innocent" as their new norm.The timing of the allegation doesn't make it true, nor untrue. It certainly is odd that this came up now instead of 6 weeks ago when Senator Feinstein received the letter. One can even convincingly argue that it was leaked by Feinstein and/or her staff for political effect. But like I said before, it doesn't mean that Dr. Ford wasn't sexually assaulted at by someone, at some point, in her past.
Remember that she asked for anonymity and it was the Democrats her made sure it didn't stay that way.
Post by: Lucifer on October 03, 2018, 10:58:49 AM
The timing of the allegation doesn't make it true, nor untrue. It certainly is odd that this came up now instead of 6 weeks ago when Senator Feinstein received the letter. One can even convincingly argue that it was leaked by Feinstein and/or her staff for political effect. But like I said before, it doesn't mean that Dr. Ford wasn't sexually assaulted at by someone, at some point, in her past.
Remember that she asked for anonymity and it was the Democrats her made sure it didn't stay that way.
Here is CBF perjuring herself under oath:
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MITCHELL: Had — have you ever given tips or advice to somebody who was looking to take a polygraph test?
FORD: Never.
And:
MITCHELL: Have you ever had discussions with anyone, beside your attorneys, on how to take a polygraph?
FORD: Never.
Remember,
We had Mr. Stolen Valor himself, Blumenthal, telling Judge Kavanaugh :
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As he began his questioning of Supreme Court nominee Brett M. Kavanaugh on Thursday, Sen. Richard Blumenthal (D-Conn.) asked Kavanaugh about a point of procedure in criminal trials.
“As a federal judge, you’re aware of the jury instruction falsus in omnibus, are you not?” Blumenthal asked. “You’re aware of that jury instruction?”
Kavanaugh said he was, but he deferred to Blumenthal for a direct translation.
"False in one thing, false in everything,” Blumenthal replied. “Meaning in jury instructions that we — some of us as prosecutors have heard many times, is — told the jury that they can disbelieve a witness if they find them to be false in one thing.”
Also we now know CBF had also lied about other things (not under oath) during the negotiations to testify.
Post by: invflatspin on October 03, 2018, 11:01:39 AM
https://www.foxnews.com/us/leftist-mob-rip-up-signs-hurl-expletives-at-conservative-students-supporting-kavanaugh
Oh wait.....
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on October 03, 2018, 11:07:05 AM
Can you provide a link to the poll? It's not a simple issue of believing one over the other. You can believe that Dr. Ford was sexually assaulted by someone, at some point, in her past. You can also believe that it wasn't Judge Kavanaugh that did it. That poll seems misleading.It's in the video.
https://www.mediamatters.org/blog/2018/10/02/fox-friends-hosts-founder-astroturfed-walkaway-movement-who-has-appeared-infowars/221535
The thing about all our griping and frustration is that half the country is seeing something different than the other half. Yes, many are starting to think for themselves and question things and look into other sources, but millions more are needed.
Post by: LevelWing on October 03, 2018, 11:21:07 AM
Here is CBF perjuring herself under oath:That doesn't prove anything. It was a letter submitted under penalty of perjury by her ex-boyfriend. Dr. Ford also testified under oath before the Senate for several hours. It does raise questions, but what it doesn't do is definitively prove she lied.
Post by: Lucifer on October 03, 2018, 11:31:12 AM
That doesn't prove anything. It was a letter submitted under penalty of perjury by her ex-boyfriend. Dr. Ford also testified under oath before the Senate for several hours. It does raise questions, but what it doesn't do is definitively prove she lied.
You crack me up. Next you will be telling us that CBF is "credible". ::)
Post by: invflatspin on October 03, 2018, 02:27:52 PM
Takes a rather caustic, and sarcastic spin on the whole Ford/Kavanaugh mythomania. Well crafted.
Post by: invflatspin on October 03, 2018, 07:04:20 PM
FBI done with supplemental investigation. Nothingburger.
Post by: LevelWing on October 05, 2018, 02:39:38 AM
You crack me up. Next you will be telling us that CBF is "credible". ::)She was a very credible witness. That doesn't mean there aren't holes or inconsistencies, though.
But you can't say that one person's statements under oath automatically erase another's simply because it fits the narrative you want. Like I said, it certainly raises questions. But we're talking about decades old things here that are very hard to prove or disprove.
Post by: LevelWing on October 05, 2018, 06:42:35 AM
Quote from: Wall Street Journal
A friend of Christine Blasey Ford told FBI investigators that she felt pressured by Dr. Ford’s allies to revisit her initial statement that she knew nothing about an alleged sexual assault by a teenage Brett Kavanaugh, which she later updated to say that she believed but couldn’t corroborate Dr. Ford’s account, according to people familiar with the matter.
Leland Keyser, who Dr. Ford has said was present at the gathering where she was allegedly assaulted in the 1980s, told investigators that Monica McLean, a retired Federal Bureau of Investigation agent and a friend of Dr. Ford’s, had urged her to clarify her statement, the people said.
Post by: Lucifer on October 05, 2018, 06:42:45 AM
She was a very credible witness. That doesn't mean there aren't holes or inconsistencies, though.
But you can't say that one person's statements under oath automatically erase another's simply because it fits the narrative you want. Like I said, it certainly raises questions. But we're talking about decades old things here that are very hard to prove or disprove.
Meryl Streep was very credible in "Sofie's Choice". But she was acting a part, and did it very well.
CBF should be put up for an Emmy award for her portrayal of a victim. Her handlers coached her well.
Post by: LevelWing on October 05, 2018, 06:44:00 AM
https://twitter.com/ShannonBream/status/1048062261166821376
There's also this letter Chuck Grassley sent back to Dr. Ford's attorneys telling them, essentially, to hand over the evidence his committee has asked for:
https://twitter.com/ShannonBream/status/1048056982568099841
Post by: Rush on October 05, 2018, 06:53:37 AM
She was a very credible witness. That doesn't mean there aren't holes or inconsistencies, though.
But you can't say that one person's statements under oath automatically erase another's simply because it fits the narrative you want. Like I said, it certainly raises questions. But we're talking about decades old things here that are very hard to prove or disprove.
Memory is a very tricky thing. We all know that's true. Two people can witness the same accident and ten minutes later have completely different versions of what happened. You can miss what's there (the experiment with the gorilla walking through the crowd) and you can "remember" things that never were there and be sincerely certain you are right. People think of memory as a video recording but that is false, it's not. It's actually a narrative simulation imperfectly set down. We all know this is true yet collectively we pretend it's not and legally we are held to an oath to tell objective truth as if we possibly could, but it's impossible. (Hence why the authorities can easily trap anyone in a "lie" if they want target you.)
Memories from decades ago especially can be vastly different from reality. People conflate thoughts or fantasies with actual events. People are suggestible and maybe especially self suggestible. Maybe as a child you saw a random person that looked like a famous celebrity. Years later you "remember" actually seeing that celebrity. You forgot the part that it was just a resemblance. Does that make you a liar? Not at all. The part of your brain that held that crucial bit of information lost it somehow. Maybe you have micro strokes or other damage as we all age. No matter the mechanism, memory is imperfect.
So it's perfectly plausible she's not lying, to her conscious knowledge. Didn't she pass a polygraph test? Unless she is a psychopath or practiced in how to defeat a polygraph, took meds that block physiologic reactions, or somebody fabricated or "misinterpreted" the results (it was not administered by an objective third party), odds are she sincerely believes this happened as she is saying.
The same can be said for Kavanaugh. But that only boils it down to he said she said and gets us no closer to objective truth. For that we need evidence and there simply is none. Therefore we MUST ere on the side of innocent til proven guilty. Everyone on the left knows this despite what they say, which is why they are turning to using his outrage display as some sort of reason not to confirm him, some sort of evidence he lacks character or temperament.
That is ludicrous and they all know it. The only thing backing such a position is pure unadulterated hatred. Hatred that has blunted their ability to put themselves in Kavanaugh's shoes and imagine how they would react. Their hatred has blocked their empathy, they are repressing their empathy because the cause of defeating anything Trump does justifies whatever destruction they bring to this man. The psychological gymnastics necessary to do this are the same ones used by soldiers in battle who must repress any empathy for the enemy so they can kill them. The left actually believe Trump and those of us who voted for him are that much an enemy, so evil that they must perform the mental trick of dehumanizing us so that they can switch off their empathy.
The evidence that this is what's happening is everywhere. Out of the mouth of Hillary (deplorables). Out of the mouth of Pelosi (they don't need their $2000 crumbs). We are hearing now first hand from the #walkaways how the far left truly feels about conservatives, libertarians, centrists and anyone else not on board with their agenda to "transform" America into a totalitarian regime featuring socialism and PC thought control.
These people are extremely dangerous and this is the reason why. They have completed the first step necessary to begin a bloody physical war: Redefine the opposition as the Face of Evil, not quite human and therefore not deserving of sympathy or compassion.
Post by: Lucifer on October 05, 2018, 06:53:52 AM
Post by: Lucifer on October 05, 2018, 06:58:26 AM
Not that this is the kingpin, but the Clintonista's still have hatred for all things associated with Bubba's impeachment.
Post by: Number7 on October 05, 2018, 07:07:52 AM
Keep in mind one fact of the progressive's ultimate hatred of all things Kavanaugh: He served under Ken Starr during the Whitewater Investigation.
Not that this is the kingpin, but the Clintonista's still have hatred for all things associated with Bubba's impeachment.
There is a marked psychosis in these pigs using a fake rape allegation as a means of getting revenge against a man for being assigned to help investigate bill clinton for rape... The ability of people of the communist stripe (democrats) to euphorically hold as the truth what they themselves made up, is confirmation that modern liberalism (communism) is a mental disorder and should be treated as such.
this isn't about a disagreement over procedure. It is the wholesale destruction of truth and replacement of it with manufactured facts, known to be false, for the furtherance of a poorly defined political agenda.
No wonder steingar is so in love with it all.
Post by: LevelWing on October 05, 2018, 07:09:14 AM
Memory is a very tricky thing. We all know that's true. Two people can witness the same accident and ten minutes later have completely different versions of what happened. You can miss what's there (the experiment with the gorilla walking through the crowd) and you can "remember" things that never were there and be sincerely certain you are right. People think of memory as a video recording but that is false, it's not. It's actually a narrative simulation imperfectly set down. We all know this is true yet collectively we pretend it's not and legally we are held to an oath to tell objective truth as if we possibly could, but it's impossible. (Hence why the authorities can easily trap anyone in a "lie" if they want target you.)I'm not disagreeing with what you're saying. My point with what you quoted is that Lucifer is stating, seemingly as a fact, that Dr. Ford perjured herself because someone provided a statement, also under oath, that contested her statements. There's no way one can prove that her ex-boyfriend is correct and she isn't. It raises questions about her account but it doesn't prove she lied under oath.
Memories from decades ago especially can be vastly different from reality. People conflate thoughts or fantasies with actual events. People are suggestible and maybe especially self suggestible. Maybe as a child you saw a random person that looked like a famous celebrity. Years later you "remember" actually seeing that celebrity. You forgot the part that it was just a resemblance. Does that make you a liar? Not at all. The part of your brain that held that crucial bit of information lost it somehow. Maybe you have micro strokes or other damage as we all age. No matter the mechanism, memory is imperfect.
So it's perfectly plausible she's not lying, to her conscious knowledge. Didn't she pass a polygraph test? Unless she is a psychopath or practiced in how to defeat a polygraph, took meds that block physiologic reactions, or somebody fabricated or "misinterpreted" the results (it was not administered by an objective third party), odds are she sincerely believes this happened as she is saying.
The same can be said for Kavanaugh. But that only boils it down to he said she said and gets us no closer to objective truth. For that we need evidence and there simply is none. Therefore we MUST ere on the side of innocent til proven guilty. Everyone on the left knows this despite what they say, which is why they are turning to using his outrage display as some sort of reason not to confirm him, some sort of evidence he lacks character or temperament.
That is ludicrous and they all know it. The only thing backing such a position is pure unadulterated hatred. Hatred that has blunted their ability to put themselves in Kavanaugh's shoes and imagine how they would react. Their hatred has blocked their empathy, they are repressing their empathy because the cause of defeating anything Trump does justifies whatever destruction they bring to this man. The psychological gymnastics necessary to do this are the same ones used by soldiers in battle who must repress any empathy for the enemy so they can kill them. The left actually believe Trump and those of us who voted for him are that much an enemy, so evil that they must perform the mental trick of dehumanizing us so that they can switch off their empathy.
The evidence that this is what's happening is everywhere. Out of the mouth of Hillary (deplorables). Out of the mouth of Pelosi (they don't need their $2000 crumbs). We are hearing now first hand from the #walkaways how the far left truly feels about conservatives, libertarians, centrists and anyone else not on board with their agenda to "transform" America into a totalitarian regime featuring socialism and PC thought control.
These people are extremely dangerous and this is the reason why. They have completed the first step necessary to begin a bloody physical war: Redefine the opposition as the Face of Evil, not quite human and therefore not deserving of sympathy or compassion.
Post by: nddons on October 05, 2018, 07:17:19 AM
She was a very credible witness. That doesn't mean there aren't holes or inconsistencies, though.Can you explain how you feel she was credible? I’ve never heard anyone say why she made them feel that she was credible.
But you can't say that one person's statements under oath automatically erase another's simply because it fits the narrative you want. Like I said, it certainly raises questions. But we're talking about decades old things here that are very hard to prove or disprove.
Was it the little girl voice and upturn after every word? That sounded like an act to me. I can’t believe a doctor and professor and activist actually talks like a shy little 10 year old.
Post by: invflatspin on October 05, 2018, 07:21:15 AM
These people are extremely dangerous and this is the reason why. They have completed the first step necessary to begin a bloody physical war: Redefine the opposition as the Face of Evil, not quite human and therefore not deserving of sympathy or compassion.
Single proof: Georgetown Professor Says White Men Should Be Castrated, Fed To Swine
Look at thus chorus of entitled white men justifying a serial rapist’s arrogated entitlement.
All of them deserve miserable deaths while feminists laugh as they take their last gasps. Bonus: we castrate their corpses and feed them to swine? Yes. https://t.co/tT7Igu157y
— (((Christine Fair))) (@CChristineFair) September 29, 2018
This is from a supposedly college educated and paid educator at a national university. What troubles me more is that Georgetown responded with the boilerplate: 'The views expressed are her own, and do not represent the univ'. Well, she is a member of your STAFF. She is representing you in the public light. She has not been fired for this blatant extreme bias, where a conservative member of the staff who said this about prominent liberal group would be fired immediately.
It appears they are slowly allowing the reduction of 'deplorables' on the right to become status-quo. I can't help but make the comparison that the conservative movement is the new jews circa 1937(hate to use that simile, but certainly there are comparisons).
Post by: LevelWing on October 05, 2018, 07:23:40 AM
Can you explain how you feel she was credible? I’ve never heard anyone say why she made them feel that she was credible.She across as sincere and believable. She was able to answer questions and had her story down.
Was it the little girl voice and upturn after every word? That sounded like an act to me. I can’t believe a doctor and professor and activist actually talks like a shy little 10 year old.
Don't confuse my saying that she seemed credible as her being truthful. What I got out of her testimony was that she believes, and may very well have been, sexually assaulted by someone, at some point, earlier in her life. I do not believe it was Kavanaugh that did it. While she came across as sincere, it doesn't mean there aren't holes in her story and it doesn't mean she wasn't prepared by her attorneys and had rehearsed the whole thing. Rehearsing testimony is a pretty common practice to make witnesses in general seem credible.
Post by: Lucifer on October 05, 2018, 07:34:47 AM
I'm not disagreeing with what you're saying. My point with what you quoted is that Lucifer is stating, seemingly as a fact, that Dr. Ford perjured herself because someone provided a statement, also under oath, that contested her statements. There's no way one can prove that her ex-boyfriend is correct and she isn't. It raises questions about her account but it doesn't prove she lied under oath.
There are so many holes in her stories you could drive a Mack truck through them.
Post by: Rush on October 05, 2018, 07:35:47 AM
I'm not disagreeing with what you're saying. My point with what you quoted is that Lucifer is stating, seemingly as a fact, that Dr. Ford perjured herself because someone provided a statement, also under oath, that contested her statements. There's no way one can prove that her ex-boyfriend is correct and she isn't. It raises questions about her account but it doesn't prove she lied under oath.
Agree and I think we are both saying something similar, you're saying you can't prove she is lying and I'm saying not only that, she may actually be telling the truth from her perspective, but even so that doesn't mean anyone else's contradictory statements are lies. Everyone might be telling the truth as they see it. But our system is set up so when two "facts" (as recalled by two humans) contradict, one must be true and the other false. By logic in reality this is correct. But memories are not reality; they are imperfect representations of reality. No one ever testifies to reality, we can only testify to what is in our mind. It's an organic flaw in our entire judicial foundation. The oath, "I swear to tell the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth," is in fact something none of us are capable of doing at all. And it is routinely used against us when some detail of our testimony proves to be slightly different from reality.
Post by: invflatspin on October 05, 2018, 07:50:57 AM
The same can be said for Kavanaugh. But that only boils it down to he said she said and gets us no closer to objective truth. For that we need evidence and there simply is none. Therefore we MUST ere on the side of innocent til proven guilty. Everyone on the left knows this despite what they say, which is why they are turning to using his outrage display as some sort of reason not to confirm him, some sort of evidence he lacks character or temperament.
One more caveat here. It is no longer 'he said, she said'. It should be noted that it is now 'she said, THEY said'. Not to put a fine point on this, but multiple people whom are in a position to know about the alleged assault have unequivocally denied the event, and that multiple investigations have turned up nothing to corroborate anything in her limited timeline, or single point of memory about the attack. We are now learning that a retired FBI agent had contacted Ford's best friend who denied knowledge of the event and asked her to 'remember' things clearly and modify her original statement. Y'all know my opinion of the FBI, and this only reinforces they are corrupt to the core.
http://dailycaller.com/2018/10/05/leland-keyser-felt-pressure-change-story/
Post by: President in Exile YOLT on October 05, 2018, 07:56:23 AM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Credible_witness
Post by: Number7 on October 05, 2018, 08:54:46 AM
Being "credible" as a witness doesn't necessarily mean that testimony is 100% objectively true and factual.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Credible_witness
That’s like saying, “ Are you going to believe me, or your own eyes?”
Post by: Lucifer on October 06, 2018, 06:50:23 AM
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Post by: Anthony on October 06, 2018, 07:03:00 AM
Post by: LevelWing on October 07, 2018, 02:49:25 AM
Post by: Lucifer on October 07, 2018, 06:10:32 AM
Post by: Lucifer on October 07, 2018, 06:32:53 AM
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Post by: Number7 on October 07, 2018, 06:35:42 AM
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Isn't that DiFi driving the SUV?
Post by: Anthony on October 07, 2018, 07:10:15 AM
Post by: Rush on October 07, 2018, 07:21:18 AM
Dr Ford has already stated that she will not pursue this any longer. Typical, and is anyone really surprised?
She didn't want to pursue it in the first place. Other than sending the original letter to Feinstein which she probably fantasized Feinstein would be able to block the nomination on that alone. I have a feeling she was in way over her head when the mob descended on her and put her in the spotlight.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on October 07, 2018, 07:28:30 AM
I've been groped, had my genitals grabbed by a woman, had my ass pinched at work by a woman when I was bending over to get a drink at the water fountain. Where is my book deal? Where is my Democrat donation? Where is my 15 minutes of fame?Dear Anthony
Good question. I’m going to take a guess here, you’re a white male, right? Get over it.
Love, Auntie Libbie
(She Who Must Be Believed)
Post by: Anthony on October 07, 2018, 07:31:31 AM
Dear Anthony
Good question. I’m going to take a guess here, you’re a white male, right? Get over it.
Love, Auntie Libbie
(She Who Must Be Believed)
Yes, I am a White Male, guilty as charged. Today, I am made to feel guilty for being a White Male. I guess I am just tired of the double standard, but I will get over it. Thank you Aunt Libbie. I am your servant, as always.
Anthony (Moderator Emeritus)
Post by: Rush on October 07, 2018, 07:39:12 AM
Yes, I am a White Male, guilty as charged. Today, I am made to feel guilty for being a White Male. I guess I am just tired of the double standard, but I will get over it. Thank you Aunt Libbie. I am your servant, as always.
Anthony (Moderator Emeritus)
I just watched the Joe Rogan skit on Netflix. He brilliantly illustrates the extreme double standard here. And he had me rolling on the floor about vegans with pet cats.
Post by: Anthony on October 07, 2018, 07:43:45 AM
I just watched the Joe Rogan skit on Netflix. He brilliantly illustrates the extreme double standard here. And he had me rolling on the floor about vegans with pet cats.
Remember, I've seen you in a Bikini. Well pictures, anyway. I like kitty kats, and veggies too!
Post by: Rush on October 07, 2018, 08:31:10 AM
Remember, I've seen you in a Bikini. Well pictures, anyway. I like kitty kats, and veggies too!
Yep, I am old enough now I am allowed to brag about how hot I used to be. ;D
P.S. Actually that wasn't a bikini, I think it was a one piece with high cut thighs. I'd have to go find it.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on October 07, 2018, 10:23:23 AM
Then it occurred to me that I wouldn’t do that. Why? Because if he lived his life clean enough since ‘83 to make it to a position of high responsibility, he probably has changed. And good for him.
Post by: azure on October 08, 2018, 11:48:44 AM
Instead of "preponderance of evicence" we could use a lower yard stick of "any evidence" and he should still be exhonerated.
I am willing to believe what Ford is saying is true, if she could come up with any real evidence. But even then, it was decades ago, he was a minor, he led an exemplary life afterwards, therefore, even if true, I really don't care. Liberals want to give convicted felons the right to vote because "they paid their debt to society", but they refuse to grant even a smidgen of the same latitude to Republicans.
This reply was a couple of weeks ago, but I've been away, so...
My only disagreement is that the right to vote is a long way from a seat on the SCOTUS. There is also the "image" of the court to be considered. This is not about Kavanaugh personally, it's about the prestige and respect most of the country seems to expect the court and the justices to be worthy of. If there had been real, corroborated evidence against him, I think there would have been enough Republican nays to deny him confirmation. And that would probably have been a good outcome for the country, in the long run... IF that evidence had been found.
I'm okay with how it turned out. I only hope Kavanaugh turns out to be more impartial and less partisan than some of his comments during the hearings implied he might be.
Post by: Anthony on October 08, 2018, 12:16:02 PM
That's not only a poor image, but a dangerous one.
Post by: nddons on October 08, 2018, 12:24:13 PM
This reply was a couple of weeks ago, but I've been away, so...Kavanaugh was completely impartial and non-partisan during the hearings. Those ended 3 weeks ago.
My only disagreement is that the right to vote is a long way from a seat on the SCOTUS. There is also the "image" of the court to be considered. This is not about Kavanaugh personally, it's about the prestige and respect most of the country seems to expect the court and the justices to be worthy of. If there had been real, corroborated evidence against him, I think there would have been enough Republican nays to deny him confirmation. And that would probably have been a good outcome for the country, in the long run... IF that evidence had been found.
I'm okay with how it turned out. I only hope Kavanaugh turns out to be more impartial and less partisan than some of his comments during the hearings implied he might be.
In the Trotskyite show trial two weeks ago, where he was accused of attempted rape, rape, rape rooms, indecent exposure, and other filthy and pathetic, completely unsubstantiated claims, he was fighting with the ferocity of a man fighting for his reputation, his girls, his wife, and his career. He fought as an innocent man should fight, with passion and anger, and partisanship where necessary, and it was extremely necessary.
To have democrats then claim that he didn’t have the temperament for the bench is as pathetic and low-life as the Menendez brothers appealing for leniency because they are orphans, notwithstanding that these filthy pieces of shit murdered their own parents with a shotgun.
Post by: azure on October 08, 2018, 02:13:44 PM
In the Trotskyite show trial two weeks ago, where he was accused of attempted rape, rape, rape rooms, indecent exposure, and other filthy and pathetic, completely unsubstantiated claims, he was fighting with the ferocity of a man fighting for his reputation, his girls, his wife, and his career. He fought as an innocent man should fight, with passion and anger, and partisanship where necessary, and it was extremely necessary.
I have no problem with his anger and the intensity of his fighting before the committee, it was completely appropriate under the circumstances, even expected. I did not intend to criticize his tone or attitude. I was talking about his comments about the charges being drummed up by "liberals" as "revenge for the Clintons" etc. What was the point of that, what end did it serve other than perhaps showing off his partisan loyalties to help keep Trump's support? It certainly didn't help his defense from any objective standpoint. For many other observers, it even cast doubt on his ability to be impartial in politically charged cases, as so many of the cases that come before the court are. Susan Collins even made some comments similar to what I wrote above. I think it's a totally appropriate qualifier, considering the responsibility he has now as a justice.
Post by: Number7 on October 08, 2018, 02:21:38 PM
All it takes - in the minds of democrats (communists) is accusing USSC Justice Kavanaugh of a host of things NONE of which were substantiated except by foaming at the mouth, stupid people, who were quickly overshadowed by the entire witness list, as provided by the chief accuser, because EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM swore on the Bible that none of it happened.
Of Course an academic would take issue with his tone and tenor. Every single liberal KNOWS only they ge to speak their minds.
What bullshit.
Post by: azure on October 08, 2018, 02:28:12 PM
^^^^^How about the "image" of Ruth Bader Ginsburg recommending countries not use the U.S. Constitution as a model? A Constitution she has sworn to uphold, and enforce. She would rather have a document that allows Government to GRANT rights rather than a document that acknowledges Natural Human Rights which are not to be infringed. Big difference.
That's not only a poor image, but a dangerous one.
Talk about side issues!! I wouldn't defend RBG's comments to save my life. What she said was pretty much expected from a left winger who says the Constitution is still being written, or things to that effect. But this is apples and oranges. Big difference from having a suspected sexual predator sitting on the highest court. (Which Kavanaugh is NOT, and SHOULD NOT BE at this point, just to be clear.)
Post by: Anthony on October 08, 2018, 02:42:06 PM
Talk about side issues!! I wouldn't defend RBG's comments to save my life. What she said was pretty much expected from a left winger who says the Constitution is still being written, or things to that effect. But this is apples and oranges. Big difference from having a suspected sexual predator sitting on the highest court. (Which Kavanaugh is NOT, and SHOULD NOT BE at this point, just to be clear.)
My point is, I am MUCH more concerned about an anti Constitutionalist on the bench where specifically they are there to uphold, and enforce the Constitution, more than if someone possibly played spin the bottle with a radical feminist 36 years ago.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on November 02, 2018, 07:09:02 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/RealJamesWoods/status/1058504369795153920
Post by: Number7 on November 02, 2018, 08:25:18 PM
This is how democrats (communists) roll.