PILOT SPIN
Pilot Zone => Pilot Zone => Topic started by: invflatspin on October 13, 2018, 06:22:55 PM
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https://www.faa.gov/regulations_policies/orders_notices/index.cfm/go/document.information/documentID/1033315
Starting May 2018 the FAA in its infinite wisdom is now investigating aborted take offs, and a turnback in the air. So - no matter what happens during the take off roll, you better complete the take off, and go on your merry way, or the FAA will be climbing up your heine.
I just found out about this today. Was at the airport and a guy was telling me he had to submit a ton of info when he aborted a takeoff from towered field. He said tower now has mandatory reporting of any aborted take off, or a turnback in the air after take off.
Again, if the wing falls off, window blows, out, engine sputters, nose gear wiggles, etc and you abort, the FAA will be in your business. I'm sure there are plenty of people who think this is a good thing. AFAIC, now that I know, there is NO WAY I'm aborting a TO from towered field. Anything bad happens, I'm just bombing it into the ground so I have a full accident and my insurer can deal with it.
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So what's the big deal?
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Anything bad happens, I'm just bombing it into the ground so I have a full accident and my insurer can deal with it.
Speaking from experience?
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There has been a similiar rule for the airlines since the late 90's-early 00's. If you aborted take off for any reason, you had to return to the gate and call maintence. I guess the abort for a deer on the runway or other non mechanical reason was not good enough....especially at a towered airport.
Noah W
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It wasn't an aborted takeoff. I was just practicing emergency procedures.
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Fear of the FAA won't keep me from doing whatever I need to do to keep myself safe. Talking to FAA apparatchiks beats fiery death every time.
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You just don't get it. What's next, if you don't read back a clearance right, 'FAA, why did you fail to read back your clearance?' They already tried that neck size crap with medical. Just put 'safety' in front of any BS regulation and I guess everyone is ok with the anal probe.
Lemmings.
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You just don't get it. What's next, if you don't read back a clearance right, 'FAA, why did you fail to read back your clearance?' They already tried that neck size crap with medical. Just put 'safety' in front of any BS regulation and I guess everyone is ok with the anal probe.
Lemmings.
What else do you get hysterical about? I've known pilots to do a rejected TO and the tower asked them why. Later the FAA called and asked about the event, chatted for a few minutes and that was the end of it.
If the regulations of aviation bother you so much, why not just give it up?
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You just don't get it. What's next, if you don't read back a clearance right, 'FAA, why did you fail to read back your clearance?' They already tried that neck size crap with medical. Just put 'safety' in front of any BS regulation and I guess everyone is ok with the anal probe.
Lemmings.
On the list of things to worry about, this is about 2,343,867. I can't worry about everything so have to prioritize. Also, what am I going to do about the FAA? Complain to them? Last aborted takeoff I had was in 1995.
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This doesn't bother me at all.
I have had a couple of calls from an FAA investigator asking about certain situations. I explained the situation and they thanked me and it was a non-event.
This sounds to me like an informational gathering exercise rather than some sort of trap.
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Yup, it's just gathering routine info.
Until it isn't. I've had a few dealings with the FAA, and the majority of them were ok, not great but not bad. But - that doesn't mean all of them were just ok. One of them was rather unpleasant.
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One of them was rather unpleasant.
So tell us about it.
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Only time I’ve flown to a towered field the last few years was during a flight review. Tis a rare thing for me - unfortunately it means my radio skills with towers tends to atrophy. On the plus side, I don’t have to give much thought to what FAA officialdum awaits something like an aborted takeoff.
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In some ways this makes me want to go to the local Charlie and do about 10 aborted takeoffs, just to be a jackass.
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In some ways this makes me want to go to the local Charlie and do about 10 aborted takeoffs, just to be a jackass.
You don't need to do that to be a jackass. ;)
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Can you request the option before take off?
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I’ve had aborted takeoffs at towered fields. No events. Like Anthony said, this just isn’t worth worrying about.
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Well, like I said already. It isn't worth worrying about until it is. Also, most are focusing on the actual events and not the continued abuse of policy into places where it's relationship to management of the NAS is getting out of hand. But - that's just the anarchist in me. I know most people do enjoy the yoke of control and subjugation that comes with GA. I just KNOW there's an endorsement of ADS-B Out going on.
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So there is nothing in the terms of data to be gathered in finding out why aborted take offs are happening?
Seems to me years ago the airlines were having a rash of aborted take offs and the FAA began gathering data on why it was happening. They did the same thing requiring the carrier to report to ATC every time an abort took place.
Through this effort it was determined that the training at the carriers was inadequate and additional training was required, which in turn reduced the number of rejected take offs and increased safety.
Seems to me the FAA is taking the same approach here to GA. Again, I don't see the harm in answering a few questions.
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In some ways this makes me want to go to the local Charlie and do about 10 aborted takeoffs, just to be a jackass.
New pre-takeoff request: "Tower, spamcan 12345, will be doing a medium speed brake verify, and if good will be taking off normally." Now if I have an abort, it was already a 'brake test'. Will ask the FAA if that falls under the 'mandatory' reporting requirement as it's only a takeoff if the test passes.
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New pre-takeoff request: "Tower, spamcan 12345, will be doing a medium speed brake verify, and if good will be taking off normally." Now if I have an abort, it was already a 'brake test'. Will ask the FAA if that falls under the 'mandatory' reporting requirement as it's only a takeoff if the test passes.
Is that a Lemming, or a Wombat response? Perhaps a Lemur?
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Is that a Lemming, or a Wombat response? Perhaps a Lemur?
Honey-badger ;)
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https://www.faa.gov/regulations_policies/orders_notices/index.cfm/go/document.information/documentID/1033315
Starting May 2018 the FAA in its infinite wisdom is now investigating aborted take offs, and a turnback in the air. So - no matter what happens during the take off roll, you better complete the take off, and go on your merry way, or the FAA will be climbing up your heine.
I just found out about this today. Was at the airport and a guy was telling me he had to submit a ton of info when he aborted a takeoff from towered field. He said tower now has mandatory reporting of any aborted take off, or a turnback in the air after take off.
Again, if the wing falls off, window blows, out, engine sputters, nose gear wiggles, etc and you abort, the FAA will be in your business. I'm sure there are plenty of people who think this is a good thing. AFAIC, now that I know, there is NO WAY I'm aborting a TO from towered field. Anything bad happens, I'm just bombing it into the ground so I have a full accident and my insurer can deal with it.
I guess I narrowly missed having this happen to me. Last year, departing from KASH, I aborted a takeoff when my #2 cylinder's EGT dropped off the scale suddenly on my JPI. It turned out to be a false alarm (likely a sensor glitch) that has never since recurred, but since it happened right after being cleared for takeoff, I had to call the tower and inform them that I was aborting the takeoff. After an experience 6 years ago with a FSDO investigator following up with me after a precautionary landing, I didn't volunteer any details. Sounds like that wouldn't have made any difference today, I would have had to answer some questions regardless. Good to know, though.