PILOT SPIN
Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: Ron22 on November 11, 2018, 08:10:46 PM
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https://www.wsj.com/articles/hillary-will-run-again-1541963599
Does Anyone really want to,see her run again
Sent from my iPad . Squirrel!!
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Will we never wake up from this nightmare?
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She wants to run. It will take money, and her and Bill won't use theirs.
And they can't rig the primaries like previously. So in a nutshell, as Mick Jagger once sang "You can't always get what you want".
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She said she wants to be president. She also said she has no interest in running again. I would say it’s over for her, she isn’t up to the rigors of campaigning or of being president.
Jeff Flakey isn’t the guy but I would like to see someone besides Trump in 2020. I think any Democrat will beat him because he will just not capture the rust belt again and is unlikely to get Florida.
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She said she wants to be president. She also said she has no interest in running again. I would say it’s over for her, she isn’t up to the rigors of campaigning or of being president.
Jeff Flakey isn’t the guy but I would like to see someone besides Trump in 2020. I think any Democrat will beat him because he will just not capture the rust belt again and is unlikely to get Florida.
If the economy keeps on a roll the odds always favor the incumbent. By 2020 Trump will be a long known quantity to the voters. He’ll be judged on his policies, not his tweets or his personality. The democratic challenger will likely be a traditional politician out of the same mold that Trump beat during the 2016 Republican primaries.
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I think Republicans will judge him on his results. Moderates are going to include his personality, which has significant negatives. I think it’s a hard uphill slog to sell “I saved your jobs” to people in the rust belt. Showing that isn’t something the media wants to talk about.
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We desperately need the black vote to switch en masse like they've done in the past.
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(I think it was) David Brooks made an interesting comment on Friday to the effect that while the Democratic party pushes ever farther to the left, the electorate seems to be swinging back toward the center. He said he was basing that on the candidates who actually won on Tuesday. I haven't done any research to confirm or refute that, but I thought it was interesting, and if true points to a party getting increasingly out of touch with the voters. From that point of view the #walkaway phenomenon is just the tip of the iceberg. And it suggests that the party had better nominate a more centrist candidate if it wants any chance of taking back the White House in 2020.
Hillary stands ZERO chance of beating Trump, or anyone else, in 2020.
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Democrats are setting themselves up for multiple, if not massive failures over the next two years.
Congress will be nothing but a clown show with nothing useful getting accomplished. They will introduce bill after bill to undermine the President and his agenda. They will run endless investigations and grandstand.
Meanwhile, the senate will seat more conservatives on the court and approve more of the President's nominees.
By the heat of the 2020 elections the democrats will be rejoicing in what they feel is another "blue wave", only to once again find out it's just going to be a yellow trickle. A very good chance the republicans will take back the house.
As long as the alt left progressives hold power over the democrats, no chance they will run or even nominate a palatable candidate. It will be another coastal elitist loon.
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Totally cannot get on board with the optimism in these last few posts!
Midterms showed us clearly where the trend is going. The kook Sinema is winning in AZ as they count. Will anything really be done about FL fraud? $69 million spent on Beto and he came very close. Look at MN! Ellison and Ohmar were ELECTED! As was the airhead Octavio Cortez! Come on, people!
Education controls the majority of the young. Socialism and open borders are the new hope for all!
The kind of bucks the globalist backers of the left have is inexhaustible. The constant barrage of falsehoods and criticism about the President and Republicans has not let up for one millisecond since the 2016 election. And it will not let up.
I’m not saying there won’t be a miracle. I pray there is. A massive exposure of the controlling evil, a takedown of top Dems for sedition or felonies, the mask ripped off the globalists’ nefarious dealings and deceptions, I hope, I hope!
But barring that, nope.
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Totally cannot get on board with the optimism in these last few posts!
Midterms showed us clearly where the trend is going. The kook Sinema is winning in AZ as they count. Will anything really be done about FL fraud? $69 million spent on Beto and he came very close. Look at MN! Ellison and Ohmar were ELECTED! As was the airhead Octavio Cortez! Come on, people!
Education controls the majority of the young. Socialism and open borders are the new hope for all!
The kind of bucks the globalist backers of the left have is inexhaustible. The constant barrage of falsehoods and criticism about the President and Republicans has not let up for one millisecond since the 2016 election. And it will not let up.
I’m not saying there won’t be a miracle. I pray there is. A massive exposure of the controlling evil, a takedown of top Dems for sedition or felonies, the mask ripped off the globalists’ nefarious dealings and deceptions, I hope, I hope!
But barring that, nope.
Don't want to kill all the optimism, but......
Many things are determined by the population. I, believe, it is well known that we, whites, are not reproducing prolifically and Christianity is not on the rise. Meanwhile Muslim reproduce quite prolifically and Islam is on the upswing. What would your intuition tell you the likely outcome is? Minnesota is just the beginning here in the U.S. Ellison has been elected as the States AG, guess what that will lead to?
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Totally cannot get on board with the optimism in these last few posts!
Midterms showed us clearly where the trend is going. The kook Sinema is winning in AZ as they count. Will anything really be done about FL fraud? $69 million spent on Beto and he came very close. Look at MN! Ellison and Ohmar were ELECTED! As was the airhead Octavio Cortez! Come on, people!
Education controls the majority of the young. Socialism and open borders are the new hope for all!
The kind of bucks the globalist backers of the left have is inexhaustible. The constant barrage of falsehoods and criticism about the President and Republicans has not let up for one millisecond since the 2016 election. And it will not let up.
I’m not saying there won’t be a miracle. I pray there is. A massive exposure of the controlling evil, a takedown of top Dems for sedition or felonies, the mask ripped off the globalists’ nefarious dealings and deceptions, I hope, I hope!
But barring that, nope.
I agree. Sorry, Lucifer. But if after 2016 we can’t get on the leading edge of democratic cheating and work to prevent it, we are totally fucked for every future election. Without being called on it, prosecuted on it, jailed, the democrats and their sycophants will just laugh at us as they create their next fraudulent “blue wave.” Im certain they are already working the voting lists in every ward, every precinct in the country looking for the names of people who didn’t vote in the last two elections, who will suddenly become democrat activists and vote in 2020, at least that’s what their voting records will show.
It’s sickening.
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Totally cannot get on board with the optimism in these last few posts!
This is a problem when you get a board all filed with Conservatives. Not much here for differing opinion, and when there is everyone just blast them.
The WSJ posted this article, I would bet some of their readers like the idea.
Personally I am total done with anyone named Clinton, or Bush for that matter.
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Keep in mind that "article" was written by two Clinton sycophants.
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This is a problem when you get a board all filed with Conservatives. Not much here for differing opinion, and when there is everyone just blast them.
The WSJ posted this article, I would bet some of their readers like the idea.
Personally I am total done with anyone named Clinton, or Bush for that matter.
Actually no problem if liberals want to post here, as long as they want to be a part of the discussion.
However, what we get (and have been getting) are the drive by post that lack content, then the poster disappears. Or the liberal poster fires back a bunch of vulgarities and storms out when they realize others have different opinions than they do.
“Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views.”
― William F. Buckley
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Actually no problem if liberals want to post here, as long as they want to be a part of the discussion.
However, what we get (and have been getting) are the drive by post that lack content, then the poster disappears. Or the liberal poster fires back a bunch of vulgarities and storms out when they realize others have different opinions than they do.
“Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views.”
― William F. Buckley
Not really. This doesn't happen that often. Many who don't conform to an all-conservative-all-the-time mantra are brutalized with personal attacks, perpetrated primarily by a couple of folks.
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Not really. This doesn't happen that often. Many who don't conform to an all-conservative-all-the-time mantra are brutalized with personal attacks, perpetrated primarily by a couple of folks.
For God's sake, toughen up. Lucifer and Number 7 are harsh, but not “brutal.”
Steingar spits venom and lies, whines a bit, then vamooses until he feels the need to make another jab so he feels like he’s “done” something to eradicate conservative thought.
Discussion happens here, and that’s why liberals stay away.
Change my mind.
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Discussion happens here, and that’s why liberals stay away.
I like that. ;D
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For God's sake, toughen up. Lucifer and Number 7 are harsh, but not “brutal.”
Steingar spits venom and lies, whines a bit, then vamooses until he feels the need to make another jab so he feels like he’s “done” something to eradicate conservative thought.
Discussion happens here, and that’s why liberals stay away.
Change my mind.
Steingar gets attacked pretty bad but he also attacks back with childish jabs. The thing is I don't think he's lying so much as he really believes the stuff he says. If he's getting most of his info from MSM I mean come on.
I have to hand him one thing, he keeps coming back even though he is outnumbered. I don't think it's a good thing for sides to stop talking to each other. When communication breaks down then there is no chance for anything but open warfare. The walkaways happen when they have a moment of openness to the other point of view. I have to confess that my goal is to have people come around to my point of view but I am also open to changing to theirs if they make a good argument.
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For God's sake, toughen up. Lucifer and Number 7 are harsh, but not “brutal.”
Steingar spits venom and lies, whines a bit, then vamooses until he feels the need to make another jab so he feels like he’s “done” something to eradicate conservative thought.
Discussion happens here, and that’s why liberals stay away.
Change my mind.
I mentioned no names, but you did. Telling.
And I'll consider your directive to toughen up as projection, considering you're lobbing that jab from the Safe Space™ of a forum filled with like-minded folks, toward someone who comes here for the purpose of mixing it up with folks of different or opposite political persuasion.
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I mentioned no names, but you did. Telling.
And I'll consider your directive to toughen up as projection, considering you're lobbing that jab from the Safe Space™ of a forum filled with like-minded folks, toward someone who comes here for the purpose of mixing it up with folks of different or opposite political persuasion.
Telling? It’s a secret who gives the harshest responses? I pay a lot of attention to the people and posts here precisely because I seek perspectives not my own.
I come here for the same reason you do. We have a mix of viewpoints here. That goes away, so do I.
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Steingar gets attacked pretty bad but he also attacks back with childish jabs. The thing is I don't think he's lying so much as he really believes the stuff he says. If he's getting most of his info from MSM I mean come on.
I have to hand him one thing, he keeps coming back even though he is outnumbered. I don't think it's a good thing for sides to stop talking to each other. When communication breaks down then there is no chance for anything but open warfare. The walkaways happen when they have a moment of openness to the other point of view. I have to confess that my goal is to have people come around to my point of view but I am also open to changing to theirs if they make a good argument.
Frankly, I find Steingar's posts underwhelming. Too often there is no depth. It's a one or two liner, then the shouting match starts. That's not who I'm talking about. I've seen folks chase off good, moderate and Libertarian-leaning forum participants. Hell, I've seen a couple people go straight to ad hominem attacks against regular participants who are CLEARLY extremely conservative, just because they had the audacity to think outside the right-wing box for a moment.
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Telling? It’s a secret who gives the harshest responses? I pay a lot of attention to the people and posts here precisely because I seek perspectives not my own.
I come here for the same reason you do. We have a mix of viewpoints here. That goes away, so do I.
If you come here to be immersed in perspectives not your own -- or at least, the perspectives I think you have based on your posts -- you're in the wrong place. PilotSpin validates your viewpoints. This is the land of the very conservative, with a scant few who have the guts to post otherwise. We don't have a mix of viewpoints, we have a cacophony of conservative perspectives and a whisper of anything else.
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If you come here to be immersed in perspectives not your own -- or at least, the perspectives I think you have based on your posts -- you're in the wrong place. PilotSpin validates your viewpoints. This is the land of the very conservative, with a scant few who have the guts to post otherwise. We don't have a mix of viewpoints, we have a cacophony of conservative perspectives and a whisper of anything else.
So far I haven't seen anyone banned for their post, nor have I seen anyone denied membership here based upon their ideology.
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So far I haven't seen anyone banned for their post, nor have I seen anyone denied membership here based upon their ideology.
A lovely and true data point, and not at all germane to the current discussion.
I'd like to announce that I'm forming a club for people who like vintage Snapper mowers. For the life of the club, all are welcome, we will never moderate viewpoints, and no one will ever be banned or excluded from the club. I'd like to also announce that we're naming Joe and Jim Snapper as Club Moderators and that anyone who likes mowers other than vintage Snappers will be brutally beaten and mercilessly ridiculed. Namaste, and may peace be with you.
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I have a John Deere.
Fuck you.
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I have a John Deere.
Prove it!
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John Deere stands behind every product they make.......
Except for their manure spreaders.
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If you come here to be immersed in perspectives not your own -- or at least, the perspectives I think you have based on your posts -- you're in the wrong place. PilotSpin validates your viewpoints. This is the land of the very conservative, with a scant few who have the guts to post otherwise. We don't have a mix of viewpoints, we have a cacophony of conservative perspectives and a whisper of anything else.
One of my greatest fears is that I will miss something, fail to see a side of an issue. Plenty of voices in what you call a conservative cacophony have made me see things I had missed. We are a complex bunch of people with a variety of beliefs and strong personal feelings and diverse experiences in the world. I’m sorry you don’t see that.
You said at one point you were a transitioning liberal. That sets you apart. You engage. Most liberals don’t. Your voice matters to me. If liberals post here and then leave, I would say it is because they are not willing to do what you do. They are not far enough along in their transition.
I have read several hundred testimonials written by people who are no longer liberals, stating precisely why. Dominating by far was the painful fact that they could not, in their liberal milieus, express themselves as multifaceted individuals with a collection of beliefs, if any of those beliefs was even slightly tinged with conservatism. One takeaway from that is that the conservative house is bigger, more inclusive, and more welcoming than the tiny room in a small house that liberals insist one occupy.
Examples from WalkAway would be gun-loving gays, pro-life people of all ilk, gay couples who don’t think sueing florists and bakers is right, Latinos and Latinas who want a wall, and white people who are tired of having their baby sons labeled toxic and be blamed for the world’s ills before they even exit the womb.
I would hope that people transitioning in that healthy sort of direction would come here to interact and be welcomed. I welcome them, and I’m not the only one who does.
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Frankly, I find Steingar's posts underwhelming. Too often there is no depth. It's a one or two liner, then the shouting match starts. That's not who I'm talking about. I've seen folks chase off good, moderate and Libertarian-leaning forum participants. Hell, I've seen a couple people go straight to ad hominem attacks against regular participants who are CLEARLY extremely conservative, just because they had the audacity to think outside the right-wing box for a moment.
Hehe, heh - no prob. I can take. Once in a while it feels good to have someone use some choice words for opinions that are not all neo-con all the time. Becky is frustrated, and rightly so. We have had a remarkable couple of years, and it is quite frustrating to see all the gains go to waste with a mid-term election where the forces of actual evil are not being kept at bay.
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People who seek agreement instead of debate always attempt to bend the forum to please themseves.
Weakness or lack of confidence in the validity of their mantra often interrupt their ability to engage because engagement leads to the danger of self doubt and that confuses their opinions. Progressives live in a bubble of group think and truly believe original thought is a crime.
The mushy middlers are always trying to make the right side of the debate lighten up, ease off, soften the tone, reduce the hostility and all manner of other cliches because that’s all they’ve got. The truth is too powerful for their bullshit, so they spend their time ridiculing only the right side of the aisle.
Lefties always get a pass from the make believe centrist democrats. That tells you all you need to know about their real ideology.
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Yes, the forum can be tough on liberals (progressives). However, that's not the reason they leave. Ultimately, they can't defend their positions with any type of facts, logic, or evidence. Look at the people that left after Trump won.
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Look at the people that left after Trump won.
No kidding.
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I have a John Deere.
Fuck you.
Ha! So do I.
See, asechrest is right. We just validate our viewpoints.
I think I’m going to ban you and I for a while.
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Yes, the forum can be tough on liberals (progressives). However, that's not the reason they leave. Ultimately, they can't defend their positions with any type of facts, logic, or evidence. Look at the people that left after Trump won.
Do you mean person? I only remember JeffDG, and he definitely wasn't a liberal or a progressive.
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Do you mean person? I only remember JeffDG, and he definitely wasn't a liberal or a progressive.
Jeff left. We can debate his screwed up ideology, but whatever.
Kristin left. Another poster from Kalifornia left. Not long afterward another liberal poster left when he figured no one was buying his line either.
Also, Wildeye bailed as well. I’m sure there were others.
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Jeff left. We can debate his screwed up ideology, but whatever.
Kristin left. Another poster from Kalifornia left. Not long afterward another liberal poster left when he figured no one was buying his line either.
Also, Wildeye bailed as well. I’m sure there were others.
Forgot about Kristin. Don't remember Wildeye.
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And Jailbird.
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And Jailbird.
Oh, yeah. I forgot about farrakhan's best buddy.
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I don't know about any of them, but leaving a forum is voluntary. The number of people who've been kicked of places for not being liberal enough is much higher.