Post by: bflynn on November 25, 2018, 08:49:34 AM
Seems like there ought to be a statue of limitations on how long these things can hang around.
Post by: Anthony on November 25, 2018, 08:50:54 AM
Post by: Lucifer on November 25, 2018, 09:16:48 AM
I would like to bid contracts that doesn't give one gender preference over another. (women owned business priority)
I would like to see jobs awarded on capability, not sex. (women preferential hiring)
I would like to see divorces handled equitably, rather than favoring the woman.
I would like to see woman be required to sign up for the draft.
Let's get this going!
Post by: Rush on November 25, 2018, 10:30:07 AM
Yea, I'd like to see that.
I would like to bid contracts that doesn't give one gender preference over another. (women owned business priority)
I would like to see jobs awarded on capability, not sex. (women preferential hiring)
I would like to see divorces handled equitably, rather than favoring the woman.
I would like to see woman be required to sign up for the draft.
Let's get this going!
I agree with all that except maybe women signing up for the draft. I say maybe because I'm on the fence. On the one hand, women's most important job is still incubating the species and until that changes women will NEVER be on par with males in job (or war) performance. Women should be drafted when men start giving birth and breastfeeding. Furthermore if women were required to be drafted, would an exception be made for mothers? If so, you'd see them all get pregnant just to avoid the draft. If not, you're separating mothers from infants and it's bad enough the welfare state has separated fathers from their children.
On the other hand, if women demand "equality" everywhere else, they should also be required to be "equal" in dying in war. Not just the cozy homefront support jobs. For that matter, they should also be garbage collectors, offshore oilmen, highway construction men, loggers, northern fishermen, and all the other dangerous jobs overwhelmingly male.
Let's compromise. All feminazi's should be required to sign up for the draft, and all women who recognize that males and females are biologically different and suited for different roles in life can live as nature intended, following their own pathway. If they want to sign up for war, let them. No woman today is forcibly being stopped from any career.
Post by: Lucifer on November 25, 2018, 12:45:08 PM
Equality means we all share a bite out of the big shit sandwich.
Post by: Rush on November 25, 2018, 02:06:35 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZYQpge1W5s
Here's something from it:
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The highly trained affective neuroscientists and people who studied motivation and emotion as well as neural chemistry know perfectly well that there is biological and behavioral continuity across the animal kingdom and way down into the kingdom as well which is exactly why I chose lobsters to indicate that there is so much continuity in the systems that allow us to estimate status position that we share it with creatures that are a third of a billion years old and the reason that I made that argument was to put paid at least in part to the absurd Marxist proposition that hierarchical structures are a secondary consequence of Western civilization and free market economies which is as preposterous a perspective as you could possibly develop about anything. Hierarchies are a third of a billion years old. You can't blame them on the West or men or capitalism.
She keeps bitching about patriarchal tyranny. He just keeps slaying her. I love it.
Post by: Number7 on November 25, 2018, 04:03:01 PM
No quotas, no special exemptions, no enterprise zones for lazy, parasitic neighborhoods full of men who father children they refuse to raise.
End all preferential hiring, discriminatory grading on employment exams, uneven enforcement of laws, racially bias in everything from college acceptance to driver test results and everything else.
Force every single American to actually compete on an even field and watch the feminists scream bloody murder, right alongside the militant homosexuals, abortion providers, racist left wing and all the make believe social justice assholes. The outcry and following chaos would be epic once welfare and social services were equally distributed and everybody had to qualify equally.
Can you imagine the insanity of useless drones like steingar once they realized that their particular brand of communism no longer earned them special status?
Post by: bflynn on November 25, 2018, 06:26:10 PM
Post by: nddons on November 26, 2018, 09:41:36 AM
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Post by: Rush on November 26, 2018, 10:11:09 AM
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Peterson: The problem I have fundamentally isn't really the climate change issue, it's that I find it very difficult to distinguish valid environmental claims from environmental claims that are made as a secondary anti-capitalist front, essentially, so it's so politicized that it's very difficult to parse out the data from the politicization.
Then the woman says: So I saw there's a line in 12 rules (his book) which says people stricken with poverty don't care about carbon dioxide
Peterson: Yeah that's definitely the case
The woman: And I think that's not an unreasonable point to make because you think about Maslow's hierarchy of needs, right, people if you can't eat then actually you can't really worry about what's happening in 50 years to the planet, however I don't think that's a reason not to tackle climate change because those same people, people in the global science...
Peterson: It's partly the reason.
The woman: Is it though? because people in the global science...
Peterson: Coal generating plants stop people from starving so yes it's partly a reason. And it's certainly the case that making energy more expensive obviously makes things more difficult for poor people, so yes, it's definitely an issue, and I would say it's kind of a conundrum for those on the left, it's like what's it gonna be? Clean air, or hungry people.
Sorry I'm veering off topic a bit.
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this is also the problem I have with much of the environmentalist movement, is there's a powerful stream of anti-human sentiment that motivates it and masquerading under the guise of virtue on a planetary scale
Post by: Anthony on November 26, 2018, 10:19:16 AM
Post by: invflatspin on November 26, 2018, 07:52:14 PM
I agree with all that except maybe women signing up for the draft.
Jobs in the US armed forces run about 10:1 for support vs combat ops. the ratio changes a little depending on how one calculates support and combat ops, but even at a more conservative 6:1 support to combat, there are tons of jobs within the armed forces that can be done without getting anywhere near the bad end of a rifle(or bazooka, or howitzer, or ...).
This is not an indictment of women serving in combat ops jobs, just that if a gender-free draft were implemented, the women could certainly request a support billet, but they still would need to serve, just like the men. My time in uniform provided ample evaluation of women in uniform. By and large, I found them more capable than the equivalent rank, and training to the men I worked with.
If the ERA wants a truly gender neutral world, then I would say the draft is part of the deal.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on November 27, 2018, 07:39:46 AM
Post by: Rush on November 27, 2018, 08:04:46 AM
Jobs in the US armed forces run about 10:1 for support vs combat ops. the ratio changes a little depending on how one calculates support and combat ops, but even at a more conservative 6:1 support to combat, there are tons of jobs within the armed forces that can be done without getting anywhere near the bad end of a rifle(or bazooka, or howitzer, or ...).
This is not an indictment of women serving in combat ops jobs, just that if a gender-free draft were implemented, the women could certainly request a support billet, but they still would need to serve, just like the men. My time in uniform provided ample evaluation of women in uniform. By and large, I found them more capable than the equivalent rank, and training to the men I worked with.
If the ERA wants a truly gender neutral world, then I would say the draft is part of the deal.
I can agree if the job doesn't interfere with normal menstruation which probably broadly means stateside support. Here's a good article zeroing in on my biggest issue with women in the military:
http://www.usmedicine.com/agencies/department-of-defense-dod/menstrual-suppression-could-help-deployed-women-avoid-discomfort-inconvenience/
Forced extended cycle suppression would not be acceptable. First, it doesn't completely work reliably. Second, many women reject hormonal forms of birth control. It carries risks of several types of cancers and it's messing with your natural hormonal cycle. Especially complete suppression the long term effects of which are unknown. If a woman chooses to serve in this way, that's different but I could never support forced service with the choice between poisoning yourself with hormones or fucking around with periods out in the field a week out of every month. The subject deserves the f bomb because it's despised. The only thing worse than your period is your period while you're on a camping trip. There's a reason we call it the curse.
But it's a moot point anyway because I don't agree with the ERA and the idea of a gender neutral world.
Post by: Lucifer on November 27, 2018, 08:10:21 AM
Wouldn't it be advantageous to send women into combat on their period? I mean, a female with PMS up against some ruthless special ops fighters......they wouldn't stand a chance.
Post by: Rush on November 27, 2018, 08:14:16 AM
Sorry, read the article but not sure really how women and men are treated differently under the law now. I suppose you could have welfare dads and male MeToos, and salaries, despite feminist crap, seem to be equal ... heck, you even have male strippers and all manner of crossover jobs and whatnot. The only advantage I see would be that it would hopefully strike down all claims of discrimination from all angles of the gender-confused. The whole premise of our Constitution with amendments already IS equal rights.
They are equal. Intangibles like length of service and likelihood to get pregnant and quit your job, and likelihood to take more sick time and less inclination to put in overtime hours are and should be included in the compensation. If women were actually getting paid less for equal value units of work then every employer would be scrambling to hire only women.
In fact women are probably being overcompensated for their value when these things are taken into consideration. The more you require equal pay for a job regardless of seniority etc. the more you will incline employers to stick with men. As usual, social justice warriors "solutions" only make matters worse.
Post by: Anthony on November 27, 2018, 08:16:44 AM
convinced the military that it deters ADVANCEMENT, and equal opportunity for advancement. Thus the pressure to lower standards for combat soldiers, and special forces. Now we have women in very high leadership roles in the military. When I was working for a defense contractor, I'd frequently get into an elevator with a female Admiral, or General. They'd ignore me of course being a lowly civilian, but I would observe them, and what I would overhear typically SCARED ME.
Much of military policy is now run by PC, Social Engineering philosophy, not MISSION READINESS, nor Effectivenss.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on November 27, 2018, 08:31:47 AM
But the scary thing is as Anthony says. Color, gender, ethnicity must have NO preference over mission readiness and effectiveness!!!
With the fawning over Muslim and Blacks and women and Hispanics getting elected to Congress STRICTLY BECAUSE OF THOSE DEFINERS, I shudder to think how quickly the incompetence can set in at all levels everywhere.
Post by: Little Joe on November 27, 2018, 08:48:28 AM
They are equal. Intangibles like length of service and likelihood to get pregnant and quit your job, and likelihood to take more sick time and less inclination to put in overtime hours are and should be included in the compensation. If women were actually getting paid less for equal value units of work then every employer would be scrambling to hire only women.Add in the fear factor that is being instilled in men regarding hiring women. What if you pass over a woman for promotion, and then the woman joins #metoo and charges him with some sort of sex crime or discrimination. I know a small business here where the male manager would not go on a business trip with a woman sales exec for fear of later charges.
In fact women are probably being overcompensated for their value when these things are taken into consideration. The more you require equal pay for a job regardless of seniority etc. the more you will incline employers to stick with men. As usual, social justice warriors "solutions" only make matters worse.
Post by: invflatspin on November 27, 2018, 09:00:25 AM
I’m for letting women who want to fight, fight. Bit don’t force others to. Service is voluntary after all.
I'm going to change two letters in your statement.
"I’m for letting men who want to fight, fight. Bit don’t force others to. Service is voluntary after all."
And now, just changing gender, it is a false statement. ALL men in the US are required by law to register for selective service. Today, right now, every man, in all states, at the age of 18-25. It is not optional. Failure to register for the draft is a felony, punishable with 5 years fed prison, and $250k fine. The feds can implement a draft within 24 hours notice from the prez. Millions of men have been drafted(selected for armed forces combat), no WOman in the US has ever been forced into the armed forces.
Fact.
Post by: nddons on November 27, 2018, 09:28:57 AM
They are equal. Intangibles like length of service and likelihood to get pregnant and quit your job, and likelihood to take more sick time and less inclination to put in overtime hours are and should be included in the compensation. If women were actually getting paid less for equal value units of work then every employer would be scrambling to hire only women.I think the marketplace IS trying to make it equal, but not in the way that would make sense to normal people like you and me.
In fact women are probably being overcompensated for their value when these things are taken into consideration. The more you require equal pay for a job regardless of seniority etc. the more you will incline employers to stick with men. As usual, social justice warriors "solutions" only make matters worse.
The prevalence of PATERNITY leave is becoming huge. (Actually I think it falls under FMLA - Government at work so you don’t have to.). Just in our office (and we have about 100 offices around the country, I know of 4 guys who took up to 12 weeks off when their wives had kids. No word as to whether or not they were lactating during those 12 weeks.
I recall taking 3 days off when my daughter was born 30 years ago.
Smh.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on November 27, 2018, 11:11:19 AM
I'm going to change two letters in your statement.I did not know that anyone was required by law to register anymore. You never hear about people protesting it, failing to do it, being imprisoned, etc. Silence, nada. Seems weird. I’m pretty sure some young men I know have not registered.
"I’m for letting men who want to fight, fight. Bit don’t force others to. Service is voluntary after all."
And now, just changing gender, it is a false statement. ALL men in the US are required by law to register for selective service. Today, right now, every man, in all states, at the age of 18-25. It is not optional. Failure to register for the draft is a felony, punishable with 5 years fed prison, and $250k fine. The feds can implement a draft within 24 hours notice from the prez. Millions of men have been drafted(selected for armed forces combat), no WOman in the US has ever been forced into the armed forces.
Fact.
Post by: Anthony on November 27, 2018, 11:21:11 AM
So forced military service doesn't have to be the nightmare the media and Libs makes it out to be.
Post by: invflatspin on November 27, 2018, 11:23:45 AM
Post by: Rush on November 27, 2018, 01:25:44 PM
Post by: invflatspin on November 27, 2018, 01:53:44 PM
Korea - Truman(D)
Vietnam - Kennedy(D)
Vietnam(cont) - Johnson(D)
Iran/Iraq - Bush II(R)
Post by: Little Joe on November 27, 2018, 02:01:18 PM
For those wars you may thank:Don't forget America's longest war: Afghanistan. Bush started it, but he didn't put much effort behind it. IIRC, Obama said that was the war we should be fighting, and he escalated it.
Korea - Truman(D)
Vietnam - Kennedy(D)
Vietnam(cont) - Johnson(D)
Iran/Iraq - Bush II(R)
That is from a memory which seems to be failing me more and more lately. Correct me if I am wrong.
Post by: nddons on November 27, 2018, 02:12:51 PM
Don't forget America's longest war: Afghanistan. Bush started it, but he didn't put much effort behind it. IIRC, Obama said that was the war we should be fighting, and he escalated it.And three American soldiers were killed today in Obama’s Afghanistan war.
That is from a memory which seems to be failing me more and more lately. Correct me if I am wrong.
Post by: invflatspin on November 27, 2018, 02:25:14 PM
Don't forget America's longest war: Afghanistan. Bush started it, but he didn't put much effort behind it. IIRC, Obama said that was the war we should be fighting, and he escalated it.
That is from a memory which seems to be failing me more and more lately. Correct me if I am wrong.
Plenty of blame to go around on Afghanistan. Been civil war since the 70s, with influence from Soviets, Paks, US. I think only China avoided that mess. Truly, I have no idea why we went in there to kick the Soviets out. They were failing just fine on their own, and the Afghans didn't need our help much to keep the Soviets from losing. That is one area where Trump can't win. It's become the Vietnam of the 21st century. There is no 'win' solution for the US.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on November 27, 2018, 03:53:08 PM
https://www.thebalancecareers.com/all-about-the-draft-3332963
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Almost all male U.S. citizens, and male aliens living in the U.S., who are 18 through 25, are required to register with the Selective Service as imposed by the Military Selective Service Act
Even non-citizens must register if they are not in the U.S. on a valid student or visitor visa or part of a diplomatic or trade mission. Selective Service does not collect or share information on immigration status. Undocumented as well as legal permanent residents must register if they came to the country before their 26th birthday. Dual nationals must register.
If you are hospitalized or incarcerated, you don't have to register until you are discharged, if you are still below the age of 26.
If you are disabled, you must still register if you can leave your home and move about independently.
Transgender rules: If you were born female and had a gender change, you don't have to register. If you were born male and had a gender change, you must register.
Post by: invflatspin on November 27, 2018, 04:07:09 PM
As for gender-selecting types, the rules are rigid, and without compromise. Imagine how simple it would be with ERA ratification. No matter what is between one's legs, register for the draft.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on November 27, 2018, 09:05:41 PM
Post by: Lucifer on November 28, 2018, 10:33:26 AM
It's time we pulled out of Afghanistan and just let that shithole go to hell.
It's a big money maker for too many well connected businessmen who employ really good lobbyist as well as make huge campaign donations.
To date, the US has sunk over $800 BILLION (let that number sink in for a few) into Afghanistan. The military contingent is actually not that large over there, but what is huge is the logistics network made up of civilian contractors. Many companies have become hugely successful thanks to their Afghanistan contracts, those contracts paid with our tax dollars.
This is what bogged us down in VietNam, this and the ineptitude of the government and congress. Lots of companies were making big money on contracts in VN and wanted that war to keep going, and did.
Post by: lowtimer on November 29, 2018, 04:21:23 PM
Interesting, about registration ... note the transgender rules! Guess the law uses biological gender ... how hateful! How would a ratified ERA affect these rules? “Irregardless of gender, biological or perceived?” Also, am quite surprised that non-citizens must register.
https://www.thebalancecareers.com/all-about-the-draft-3332963
How about we start prosecuting illegal (undocumented per article) aliens for failing to register for selective service?
Post by: Jim Logajan on November 29, 2018, 07:38:48 PM
How about we start prosecuting illegal (undocumented per article) aliens for failing to register for selective service?
Considering some have joined the military and paid the ultimate price (sometimes posthumously being granted citizenship) when they illegal, I think a lot would choose to serve for a quid pro quo option to become citizens. It’s been that way since the revolutionary war.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on November 29, 2018, 08:07:03 PM
Post by: Lucifer on December 02, 2018, 07:52:56 AM
It's a big money maker for too many well connected businessmen who employ really good lobbyist as well as make huge campaign donations.
To date, the US has sunk over $800 BILLION (let that number sink in for a few) into Afghanistan. The military contingent is actually not that large over there, but what is huge is the logistics network made up of civilian contractors. Many companies have become hugely successful thanks to their Afghanistan contracts, those contracts paid with our tax dollars.
This is what bogged us down in VietNam, this and the ineptitude of the government and congress. Lots of companies were making big money on contracts in VN and wanted that war to keep going, and did.
Here is a followup on this:
https://www.theepochtimes.com/major-democrat-clinton-donor-indicted-for-fraud-violating-iran-sanctions_2728343.html?
Notice this story didn't make the MSM?
With money flowing like this, now you see why that war continues.