PILOT SPIN
Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: Rush on November 25, 2018, 11:16:34 AM
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We really need to send sterilized drones over this island. With cameras.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Nct8geTaAcw
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What is a sterilized drone?
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What is a sterilized drone?
Untraceable, so nobody would know the origin when it gets shot down. You know, so they couldn't trace it back to us at Pilotspin,
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Didn't the inhabitants of that island just kill some fool missionary a few days ago?
The one thing in that video I found incredible was that they had not yet even learned to make fire. I thought all hunter-gatherers today at least had the capability to make fire. But Wikipedia gives support to that bit of info. VERY strange.
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Untraceable, so nobody would know the origin when it gets shot down. You know, so they couldn't trace it back to us at Pilotspin,
Ha ha! Nice try, but I meant literally sterilized as in germ free. That tribe is very susceptible to our germs, no immunity. In case our drone crashed or they shot it down.
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Didn't the inhabitants of that island just kill some fool missionary a few days ago?
The one thing in that video I found incredible was that they had not yet even learned to make fire. I thought all hunter-gatherers today at least had the capability to make fire. But Wikipedia gives support to that bit of info. VERY strange.
Yes I found that fascinating too.
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The thing is that from what I've read, the ability to make fire (or at least to use it) dates as far back as Homo Erectus. How is it that ANY modern humans don't have that knowledge?
Considering how little contact there has been with the Sentinelese, I wonder if this is something the few visitors who ever returned alive just never witnessed. Maybe the Sentinelese don't use fire often, just for special or ritualistic purposes... or for cooking special foods for certain ceremonies.
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Air drop thousands of Bic lighters. Sit back, watch mayhem ensue!
Seriously, how would you be able to cook food to make it safe to eat without fire?
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Air drop thousands of Bic lighters. Sit back, watch mayhem ensue!
Seriously, how would you be able to cook food to make it safe to eat without fire?
Clearly, you couldn't... other than foraging or scavenging natural fire kills... and the implication is that they don't cook. I find that very hard to believe, although I guess it's possible that their diet is mostly raw and so they don't cook often. But that they don't even know how? I can't buy that.
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Give it a few weeks.
Amazon will begin delivering useless crap, the IRS will start demanding back taxes, and the democrats (communists) will start voting on behalf of all their dead.
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I guess it's plausible that they missed out on fire even if it had been discovered by other enclaves of home sapiens before they made it to that island. Before fire all species had to eat raw and they just developed the immune system to handle it. We can't anymore because we've been cooking far too long we've lost the immune system for that while developing an immune system for communicable disease. Nonhuman primates in the wild drink from rivers and streams with no problem where if we found ourselves in the wild we'd have to purify water somehow or likely get sick. But I don't know when that happened, as hunter gatherers surely we didn't boil water before drinking it.
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I guess it's plausible that they missed out on fire even if it had been discovered by other enclaves of home sapiens before they made it to that island. Before fire all species had to eat raw and they just developed the immune system to handle it. We can't anymore because we've been cooking far too long we've lost the immune system for that while developing an immune system for communicable disease. Nonhuman primates in the wild drink from rivers and streams with no problem where if we found ourselves in the wild we'd have to purify water somehow or likely get sick. But I don't know when that happened, as hunter gatherers surely we didn't boil water before drinking it.
If homo sapiens was the species that discovered fire that would be plausible. But it goes back much further than that. According to an article I just read in Science, probably 1.5 million years ago, well before our species had branched off. I vaguely remember reading that the earliest populations of homo sapiens were quite small, and there was also supposedly a bottleneck in the middle of the last glacial period, 70,000 years ago when the species nearly went extinct. The only way I could imagine the ancestors of the Sentinelese not having fire is if those ancestral populations didn't have it either, and only some of their descendants rediscovered it. Maybe the Sentinelese gave up fire for some reason, maybe because of how small their island is (something like 20 square miles). Or maybe the moderns who visited the Sentinelese just happened to catch them in a season when most of their food didn't need cooking, and thought they didn't have fire.
I agree, most hunter-gatherers don't boil their water; they probably have strong immunity against giardia and other biological contaminants. But as far as I knew they all cooked their food, at least some of it.
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If homo sapiens was the species that discovered fire that would be plausible. But it goes back much further than that. According to an article I just read in Science, probably 1.5 million years ago, well before our species had branched off. I vaguely remember reading that the earliest populations of homo sapiens were quite small, and there was also supposedly a bottleneck in the middle of the last glacial period, 70,000 years ago when the species nearly went extinct. The only way I could imagine the ancestors of the Sentinelese not having fire is if those ancestral populations didn't have it either, and only some of their descendants rediscovered it. Maybe the Sentinelese gave up fire for some reason, maybe because of how small their island is (something like 20 square miles). Or maybe the moderns who visited the Sentinelese just happened to catch them in a season when most of their food didn't need cooking, and thought they didn't have fire.
I agree, most hunter-gatherers don't boil their water; they probably have strong immunity against giardia and other biological contaminants. But as far as I knew they all cooked their food, at least some of it.
In that case it makes more sense they lost it or gave it up for whatever reason. Maybe there's just not enough stuff on a small island to burn without eliminating your habitat.
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So this isn't the Island of Misfit Toys? Damn. Oh wait, that's the DNC. Never mind.
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Maybe they did this:
With the aboriginal people of Tasmania, the Andamanese were the one of only two peoples who in the nineteenth century knew of no method for making fire.[31]:229 They instead carefully preserved embers[31]:229 in hollowed-out trees from fires caused by lightning strikes. They are known as Chadda[citation needed].
From a wiki article about a similar tribe.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andamanese
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Maybe they did this:
With the aboriginal people of Tasmania, the Andamanese were the one of only two peoples who in the nineteenth century knew of no method for making fire.[31]:229 They instead carefully preserved embers[31]:229 in hollowed-out trees from fires caused by lightning strikes. They are known as Chadda[citation needed].
From a wiki article about a similar tribe.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andamanese
Yes, that's believable. Depending on the types of stone and wood they have available, it might not be practical to use friction to start fire. And it makes sense that early HGs made use of natural fires, preserving embers and the like, before they discovered how to make it themselves, so that practice might continue in places where primitive methods of making fire aren't very useful.
Interesting article, thanks. I hadn't known about the Tasmanians either...
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If they had been in a colder, or cold climate they would not have survived without fire. It still puzzles me if it is true that the don't know how to make fire.
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Hence why we need drones to spy on them. We could equip drones with thermal imaging cameras.
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Hence why we need drones to spy on them. We could equip drones with thermal imaging cameras.
Yes, sterilized, sanitized drones as to not have them traced them back to Pilotspin. I have enough problems with the NSA, CIA, FBI, EPA, IRS...…...NOAA...……
:)
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Remember the quantum physics conundrum though! We can’t interactively observe something without changing it. The Sentinalese would see the drone and begin to create stories around it that would change their culture.
This whole story seems pretty fantastic, though. Fifty kilometers in this day and age is no distance at all. I suppose fear of being slaughtered would keep people away, though. But what’s to keep the Sentinalese from rigging up a boat or raft and floating over into the 21st century? A good movie plot there.
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Remember the quantum physics conundrum though! We can’t interactively observe something without changing it. The Sentinalese would see the drone and begin to create stories around it that would change their culture.
This whole story seems pretty fantastic, though. Fifty kilometers in this day and age is no distance at all. I suppose fear of being slaughtered would keep people away, though. But what’s to keep the Sentinalese from rigging up a boat or raft and floating over into the 21st century? A good movie plot there.
They've already been contaminated. They scavenge metal from a wrecked boat and have a few aluminum pots National Geographic managed to leave them in 1974. So that ship has done sailed.
But yes seeing drones would probably lead to the rise of a new religion.
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Ever see the movie "The Gods Must Be Crazy"?
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They've already been contaminated. They scavenge metal from a wrecked boat and have a few aluminum pots National Geographic managed to leave them in 1974. So that ship has done sailed.
But yes seeing drones would probably lead to the rise of a new religion.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvgFqdqPIuE
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Ever see the movie "The Gods Must Be Crazy"?
You beat me to it by seconds. See the link in my previous post.
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Yes, drop a Coke bottle on them!
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Best border control agents ever. If Congress gets cheap on the border wall, Trump should hire these guys!
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I like it
Best border control agents ever. If Congress gets cheap on the border wall, Trump should hire these guys!
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Well dang. This just happened:
https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/indian-police-map-area-island-us-man-killed-59388193
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Weird that you just posted about the island yesterday! A sad loss of life.
Reminds me of the missionaries in Ecuador.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Auca
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Weird that you just posted about the island yesterday! A sad loss of life.
Reminds me of the missionaries in Ecuador.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Auca
Also see post #3 in this thread. Chau is apparently the "fool missionary" I mentioned in that post. I hadn't gotten the name, but NPR reported the story about a missionary killed on that island sometime last week. Not surprising that there is still fallout from the killing, and that they're trying to find a way to get his body off the island without getting anyone else killed.
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Also see post #3 in this thread. Chau is apparently the "fool missionary" I mentioned in that post. I hadn't gotten the name, but NPR reported the story about a missionary killed on that island sometime last week. Not surprising that there is still fallout from the killing, and that they're trying to find a way to get his body off the island without getting anyone else killed.
Yes! I glossed right over that because I responded to what you said about fire.