PILOT SPIN
Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: bflynn on December 14, 2018, 06:06:39 PM
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Very good read from back in May. Summary - it isn't gays, transgenders, girls or the Mormons. Something bigger is fundamentally broken about the world and the BSA membership decline and pending Chapter 11 bankruptcy is just a reflection of it. Not surprisingly, I think Mike Rowe nails it.
http://mikerowe.com/2018/05/otw-death-of-the-boy-scouts/
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I really enjoyed this read. Thanks. There is a small (as far as I can gather) movement of modern folks who abhor the safe space generation and know that it does a disservice to our youth. I'm not filled with confidence that it can make headway, though.
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Like the nfl, liberals ruin everything they touch,.
What a shame that these angry, petulant children are taken seriously by judges and politicians.
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My favorite part -
I was immediately thrust into this pandemonium and hoisted into the air, despite my best efforts to remain grounded. Somewhere along the way I got a bloody nose. Others sustained busted lips, black eyes, and sprained fingers. Happily, the game was followed by a course in First Aid, taught by a local paramedic who showed us how to apply a tourniquet and administer CPR. It was awesome.
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Thanks for sharing, this was a good read. The problem and solution is more complex than what usually gets discussed. I like that he notes that he doesn't want to see girls in Boy Scouts, but bringing boys and girls together is one potential solution to the problem, not adding to the problem.
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Like the nfl, liberals ruin everything they touch,.
What a shame that these angry, petulant children are taken seriously by judges and politicians.
There's more to it than your linear logic suggests. Did you even read the article?
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Thanks for sharing, this was a good read. The problem and solution is more complex than what usually gets discussed. I like that he notes that he doesn't want to see girls in Boy Scouts, but bringing boys and girls together is one potential solution to the problem, not adding to the problem.
I have no doubt that if you put girls in the boy scouts, things will happen on those overnight camping trips that you don't want to happen. And there goes a whole segment of society that will no longer be able to be a Justice, or President.
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Bringing girls and boys together brings about far more problems than Solutions and does nothing to build positive male role modeling, leadership, responsibility and self reliance.
Libtards destroy everything they touch and ruin everything they see.
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The problem is the Boy Scouts are all about male bonding (natural for our species), male competitiveness (natural for our species) and male role modeling for, and teaching skills to, young males (natural for our species). Bringing girls in destroys the entire point of it.
Masculinity and being male is not fashionable in today's world and that is directly the fault of the left and feminism so yes, they touched this.
And, the irony: Liberals, nature worshippers, cannot abide natural gender behavior in our own species.
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The problem is the Boy Scouts are all about male bonding (natural for our species), male competitiveness (natural for our species) and male role modeling for, and teaching skills to, young males (natural for our species). Bringing girls in destroys the entire point of it.
Masculinity and being male is not fashionable in today's world and that is directly the fault of the left and feminism so yes, they touched this.
And, the irony: Liberals, nature worshippers, cannot abide natural gender behavior in our own species.
Yes, the Boy Scout were about BOYS. Shocking, huh? Now boys, and men are not allowed to have their own things to be masculine. Boys ACT DIFFERENTLY when girls are around. They just do. They can not be themselves. Their male role models also can not act the same with them. What has happened to our society that MEN HATE is ok, and being male is "mansplaining"?
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Yes, the Boy Scout were about BOYS. Shocking, huh? Now boys, and men are not allowed to have their own things to be masculine. Boys ACT DIFFERENTLY when girls are around. They just do. They can not be themselves. Their male role models also can not act the same with them. What has happened to our society that MEN HATE is ok, and being male is "mansplaining"?
Think about this honestly.
How could the queer left continue the destruction of America without destroying fatherhood, masculinity and rugged independence? (Before you bed wetting, pants pissing democrat [communist] cowards get your panties in a twist, if the gay lobby can overuse the word queer, so can we. Get over yourselves).
Destruction of the family is the surest way for the communists (they call themselves democrats in America) to destroy freedom.
Destroying freedom to secure power for themselves is the only agenda that the democrats (communists) have that survives all their virtue signaling, two-faced, hypocrisy.
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^^^^Yeah, well at least for now we have guns. Let them come for them. Not that I would EVER do anything illegal mind you. When I was in scouting we went camping with other boys, and our fathers. We went to the rifle range with other boys, and men. We made fires, we learned first aid, we learned survival skills, and had to find water, make shelters, and other life skills. They gave us knives, and guns to use, and taught us how to use both SAFELY. There were no girls to distract us. We made off color jokes, we burped, we did things you wouldn't do around women.
We wore a uniform, and learned how to act as a team with other boys. We picked sides we worked things out, we had fights, we made up, we made fun of each other. None of this would have been possible if girls were around.
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Extend this - isn’t the problem that Mike Rowe focused on with the Boy Scouts the same problem we see in aviation since about the same time?
I have long said the problem of why people don’t become pilots is focused around the prospective pilots themselves. People do not permit themselves to dare, to think they can. Getting through the mental block to hike 50 miles through Denali or to sail a ship through the Bahamas is the same mental block that holds someone back from think that they can become a pilot.
What do you think, bananable material on POA?
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GA has seen its heyday of the 60's and 70's. Since the 80's it's been on a steady decline.
Same goes with boating (yachts). They have seen their heyday as well. Recently Sea Ray exited the yacht market after a long and productive run.
Oddly enough, the RV builders can't keep up with demand. Of course, growing up we just had tents and Coleman stoves and sleeping bags. Now when people "camp" it's in a 40 foot motor home with AC, generator and sat TV.
Things change. It's just the way it is.
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Something changed...and it's cascaded through a lot of areas.
But what...
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Change is constant.
Very little remains the same over history. Even in our lifetimes we witness change.
Even our language goes through change. So does our food. Music. Relationships.
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People want exciting and new, neither of which is scouts or GA for the most part.
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Something changed...and it's cascaded through a lot of areas.
But what...
The more dependent on technology we become and the further removed from the physical interactions with nature for our survival, the more you see us lose the drive for risk and adventure. Well maybe it's still there, it just comes out in different ways like rock climbing and... skateboarding?
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I've done some thinking and research - what changed in the 60s that caused us to start to slide?
I'm not certain of it, but the best I have is the Great Society Programs (GSPs) from Kennedy and Johnson and that the programs have produced anything but a Great Society. Declines in US culture and society began a few years after implementation...when society changed so drastically and suddenly right after the implementation of so many major social programs, it's hard to argue that they didn't contribute to the change. I suspect other elements, such as the introduction of television into homes contributed, but for now at least I'm on GSPs as the prime suspect.
My working theory right now is that GSPs have changed our ideas about our own freedom and our ideas about what we do. Today, many people don't believe they have freedom and that government grants permissions to do things. I posit that GSPs may have lead us to a point of being taught to depend and that there have been severe negative outcomes of the GSPs that are not recognized. Indeed, there are many who would refuse to acknowledge that there could be any negative outcomes of such great programs, but I think they represent a subtle shift in control of our lives. I claim to the contrary, that it is unthinkable that so many programs could be enacted without having some kind of unexpected negative consequence.
There's my working theory. I don't know where we go, other than to teach the kids what the right answer is first. We control our fates, not the government. They do not grant us permission to exist, we grant them permission. That has been lost and I suspect it's one of many things.
I feel like it's a topic for a great deal more thought and research. It certainly begs what the definition of Great should include.
https://www.lubbockonline.com/columnists/2014-05-22/will-lbjs-great-society-failed-america-several-areas
George Will seems to say the same...In 1964, 76 percent of Americans trusted government to do the right thing “just about always or most of the time. Today, 19 percent do. The former number is one reason Johnson did so much; the latter is one consequence of his doing so.
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I've done some thinking and research - what changed in the 60s that caused us to start to slide?
I'm not certain of it, but the best I have is the Great Society Programs (GSPs) from Kennedy and Johnson and that the programs have produced anything but a Great Society. Declines in US culture and society began a few years after implementation...when society changed so drastically and suddenly right after the implementation of so many major social programs, it's hard to argue that they didn't contribute to the change. I suspect other elements, such as the introduction of television into homes contributed, but for now at least I'm on GSPs as the prime suspect.
My working theory right now is that GSPs have changed our ideas about our own freedom and our ideas about what we do. Today, many people don't believe they have freedom and that government grants permissions to do things. I posit that GSPs may have lead us to a point of being taught to depend and that there have been severe negative outcomes of the GSPs that are not recognized. Indeed, there are many who would refuse to acknowledge that there could be any negative outcomes of such great programs, but I think they represent a subtle shift in control of our lives. I claim to the contrary, that it is unthinkable that so many programs could be enacted without having some kind of unexpected negative consequence.
There's my working theory. I don't know where we go, other than to teach the kids what the right answer is first. We control our fates, not the government. They do not grant us permission to exist, we grant them permission. That has been lost and I suspect it's one of many things.
I feel like it's a topic for a great deal more thought and research. It certainly begs what the definition of Great should include.
https://www.lubbockonline.com/columnists/2014-05-22/will-lbjs-great-society-failed-america-several-areas
George Will seems to say the same...
I don't recall if I ever said that on this forum, but I have stated that very theory (Johnson and his Great Society being the root of our societal slide) many times.
I have no problem with the civil rights movement and legislation and Constitutional revisions in that regard. It was right to send in the National Guard to protect those kids trying to go to college. Keeping them out just because they were black was wrong.
But it was the welfare boom that caused people to lose the motivation to improve themselves. In fact so many of the programs did the opposite; they forced people to have children they couldn't afford, to not get married or to abandon spouses, to not take jobs, all so they could secure their "government benefits".
When I cheer Trump's slogan "Make America Great Again", I am cheering the days before the welfare state when people had pride. I don't mean bring back the days when blacks were treated like sub humans.
But I have always thought it was the "Great Society" programs and the income redistribution that caused the beginning of the great slide in American moral character.
The other great turning point for our Nation that caused us to lose faith in our government was the whole Vietnam fiasco. But that is another story of how our government caused us to lose the faith in our government.
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I distrust every single person that feels triggered by the phrase "Make America Great Again," because what they are really claiming is that they desire America to remain and/or become a second, or third rate country. The democrats (communist) immediately took that that phrase and tried to make it into a racial slur because it has the ability to inspire people to strive for better, not less.
Democrats (communists) can't compete on an even playing field, no more than their can agenda survive an equal examination based on facts instead of feelings. Their power is in pushing people down and keeping them under the boot of big, expensive, corrupt, government and as is obvious to anyone with an IQ above that of a tomato, democrats (communists) LOVE corruption.
The Boy Scouts is just one of a collection of things the democrats (communists) want to destroy because they can't survive against a society where people are free to achieve based on their own hard work and the merit of their ideas. People who are self reliant don't need bed wetters like mike and jim. They can do just fine on their own and that is doom for the democrat (communist) platform.
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... want to destroy ...
You're going to have to make up your mind about whether or not the Left are evil geniuses or are they blathering idiots. I fall back to not presuming malice where ignorance will suffice. I do not believe that anyone planned or intended for any of this to happen, it is an unintended consequence.
If you want to say that it is intentional, then you must also say that they had the foresight to understand how these changes would affect society, that they wanted that to happen and believe it would be a good thing. Frankly, I don't give them that much credit. It is an accident, but not one they will willingly own up to.
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I completely disagree.
It is typical and utterly expected that the democrats (communists) in America would hate and attack anything that stands between them and a stupid, lazy, dependent, electorate that can be controlled and used.
The fact that they fail at so many things they wish to achieve is typical of the ignorance, inherent racism, egomania and self delusions in which they dip their tiny minds all day, everyday.
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I distrust every single person that feels triggered by the phrase "Make America Great Again," because what they are really claiming is that they desire America to remain and/or become a second, or third rate country. The democrats (communist) immediately took that that phrase and tried to make it into a racial slur because it has the ability to inspire people to strive for better, not less.
Alternatively, people who don't like the slogan may not like it because it implies that America wasn't great before Trump came along. A notion that many, myself included, disagree with. If your definition of whether or not America is great is dependent on which letter the president has next to his name (R or D), then the problem isn't America, it's you.
People who are self reliant don't need bed wetters like mike and jim. They can do just fine on their own and that is doom for the democrat (communist) platform.
Steingar is a Democrat and Jim is a libertarian. Two completely different philosophies. It appears that the intolerant one of differing viewpoints is you.
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Thanks for sharing, this was a good read. The problem and solution is more complex than what usually gets discussed. I like that he notes that he doesn't want to see girls in Boy Scouts, but bringing boys and girls together is one potential solution to the problem, not adding to the problem.
In what distorted world do you think bringing boys and girls together as being a “potential solution”? Solution to what?
If you’re talking about Boy Scouts, letting girls in has literally destroyed it. Nice work.
Flynn nailed it. Everything liberals touch get destroyed.
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Alternatively, people who don't like the slogan may not like it because it implies that America wasn't great before Trump came along. A notion that many, myself included, disagree with. If your definition of whether or not America is great is dependent on which letter the president has next to his name (R or D), then the problem isn't America, it's you.
Steingar is a Democrat and Jim is a libertarian. Two completely different philosophies. It appears that the intolerant one of differing viewpoints is you.
Bullshit.
Your attempt to shift the spotlight is typical of those who lack the balls to call out the truth.
Jim is only a libertarian when it suits him. Mikey is a bed wetting progressive, democrat (communist) to his core and hates freedom (except his own) with a passion that drives him to attack anyone that dares to think for themselves, instead of babbling a string of never ending sound bites.
Jim wants what every progressive democrat (communist) wants, then hides behind his self imposed label to avoid detection. That's like demanding we call men girls because they claim to identify as one.
Bullshit all you want. A Spade is still a spade, even if the other players demand you all it a club.
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In what distorted world do you think bringing boys and girls together as being a “potential solution”? Solution to what?
If you’re talking about Boy Scouts, letting girls in has literally destroyed it. Nice work.
Flynn nailed it. Everything liberals touch get destroyed.
I didn't make that suggestion, he did. My point was that he's looking to find a longer term solution to solving the safe space issue. At the end of the article he even says that he doesn't want girls in the Boy Scouts.
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Bullshit.
Your attempt to shift the spotlight is typical of those who lack the balls to call out the truth.
Jim is only a libertarian when it suits him. Mikey is a bed wetting progressive, democrat (communist) to his core and hates freedom (except his own) with a passion that drives him to attack anyone that dares to think for themselves, instead of babbling a string of never ending sound bites.
Jim wants what every progressive democrat (communist) wants, then hides behind his self imposed label to avoid detection. That's like demanding we call men girls because they claim to identify as one.
Bullshit all you want. A Spade is still a spade, even if the other players demand you all it a club.
Thanks for the laugh. You continue to prove how intolerant of other's viewpoints you are. I suppose in your mind the only acceptable line of thinking is being a MAGA card carrying member. Anybody who says anything to the contrary is automatically attacked.
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Thanks for the laugh. You continue to prove how intolerant of other's viewpoints you are. I suppose in your mind the only acceptable line of thinking is being a MAGA card carrying member. Anybody who says anything to the contrary is automatically attacked.
Bullshit is foaming from your mouth in droves today. Stop redefining my words to suit your agenda. And stop being a pussy while you're at it.
When you project YOUR prejudices on me, you only point out how intolerant your left leaning opinions are.
It is so easy to accuse me of being exactly what you're doing, and it gives you cover as long as nobody points out that finger should be turned back on you.
Please point out where I said differing viewpoints are the problem? You can't because I said the exact opposite and pointed out that the democrats (communists in America) use that tactic to shut out differing opinions.
Stop projecting your failing on me and maybe try a little applying a little reading comprehension while you're at it.
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I was a little kid in the 60's. I saw the change in society though, very clearly. We went from "Leave it to Beaver" to people rioting in the streets, protesting the VIETNAM WAR, and Walter Cronkite telling us we were losers after Tet.
Mass media, and television changed us.
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Alternatively, people who don't like the slogan may not like it because it implies that America wasn't great before Trump came along. A notion that many, myself included, disagree with.
So Make America Great AGAIN somehow implies America was never great? :o
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It was probably a combination of things that changed in the 60s to cause the slide.
One of them was civil rights. Making it illegal to discriminate had unintended consequences.
I have a half brother who was raised by a black family and grew up in a black neighborhood. He was born in 1950 and so saw first hand the changes in the 50s and 60s. I have also read this, it was probably Thomas Sowell, but the point is their observations are credible.
Before civil rights when blacks were obliged to live in "black" neighborhoods, you had the whole mix of intelligent blacks, hard working blacks and moral blacks, all supporting and keeping the community on the straight and narrow plus keep it economically improving. (This was true despite history focusing on discrimination wrt water fountains, blacks having worse jobs and so on.) With desegregation, the good quality blacks left - because they could - and what remained behind were those of lower intelligence and drive and lower moral quality, and no business acumen. Prior to that blacks were improving themselves as long as the general economy was doing well. After, without higher quality people holding up the neighborhoods, they declined into poverty and crime. My brother says he witnessed this first hand and of course his family then were among those who moved out.
Simultaneously the great society programs introduced the idea that government will take care of you so the average poor black family had two things taken away: 1) upstanding neighbors, and 2) the mandate that the male be the provider. With government welfare and housing, the purpose of the father as provider was erased and anyway, his community support was gone (black preachers, professionals and businessmen). So then of course cocaine reemerged and became one of the few things a not too bright urban black male could do as a career. And hence the formerly decent black communities ended up drug ridden welfare queen horrors.
Unintended consequences are a bitch. And then of course the factory jobs vanished further driving urban black communities into desolation.
The black communities were just part of it, I know we are talking about Boy Scouts and white communities in general but what happened to blacks cannot be disentangled. I believe another huge factor is the post WWII economic boom spoiled the baby boomer generation- combined with the perceived pointlessness of Korea and especially Vietnam. If males turn against the idea of war in general, then they reject male violence in general and that is not a good thing. Violence used for good and justiable cause is a natural and correct human instinct. Hunting meat for example. Defending your tribe against raiders. The peace and love generation threw out the baby with the bath water and this began the process of pussifying males IMO.
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Bullshit is foaming from your mouth in droves today. Stop redefining my words to suit your agenda. And stop being a pussy while you're at it.
When you project YOUR prejudices on me, you only point out how intolerant your left leaning opinions are.
It is so easy to accuse me of being exactly what you're doing, and it gives you cover as long as nobody points out that finger should be turned back on you.
Please point out where I said differing viewpoints are the problem? You can't because I said the exact opposite and pointed out that the democrats (communists in America) use that tactic to shut out differing opinions.
Stop projecting your failing on me and maybe try a little applying a little reading comprehension while you're at it.
You're such an angry person. I hope you find some time to be happy during the holiday season. Politics is important, but it's not everything in life.
As to your points, if you were truly as tolerant as you claim you would stop calling people derogatory names because you disagree with them, you would stop painting everyone with that broad brush of yours, and you would start being a little more honest in your replies. As it stands, when you reply you have some form of the same comment almost every time and it usually centers around your Democrats (communists) shtick, saying how bad anybody not your brand of ... whatever your political philosophy is, and repeatedly putting people down who disagree with you (see Steingar, Jim, and me for recent examples).
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So Make America Great AGAIN somehow implies America was never great? :o
It implies that America was somehow not great for some period of time before Trump. America was great when Obama was president, just as it was great when Bush, Clinton, Bush, Reagan, etc. were all president. Disagree with someone's politics, but don't claim that the entire country wasn't great because someone of a different political party was in power. Unless you truly believe that, such as when Michelle Obama made her comment about being proud for the first time in her adult life or something.
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During the BHO regime the USA slid backwards. BHO policies made this country weak, he elevated racism and divisiveness. Then we had his “world apology tour” that further degraded our status in the world. Our foes and allies alike were laughing at us.
Then we had the economic problems brought on by BHO policies.
All in all America was in a bad place.
So yes, when we heard Make America Great Again it reminded people that as we came out of the dark era of Obama we could regroup and rebuild.
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It implies that America was somehow not great for some period of time before Trump. America was great when Obama was president, just as it was great when Bush, Clinton, Bush, Reagan, etc. were all president. Disagree with someone's politics, but don't claim that the entire country wasn't great because someone of a different political party was in power. Unless you truly believe that, such as when Michelle Obama made her comment about being proud for the first time in her adult life or something.
Obviously Mr Trump touched a big nerve during his campaign with that slogan, and tens of millions of voters agreed that we had lost our way.
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During the BHO regime the USA slid backwards. BHO policies made this country weak, he elevated racism and divisiveness. Then we had his “world apology tour” that further degraded our status in the world. Our foes and allies alike were laughing at us.
Then we had the economic problems brought on by BHO policies.
All in all America was in a bad place.
So yes, when we heard Make America Great Again it reminded people that as we came out of the dark era of Obama we could regroup and rebuild.
^^^^^^This. We were sliding towards mediocrity, and maybe worse. I called it MALAISE.
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I agree that America is and has always been a great country. Not perfect, but still the best in the world.
But I can't understand how so many people refuse to admit that America has lost some of what makes it great.
We no longer trust our politicians.
Half the people seem to hate the other half.
Compromise seems to be a lost art.
We used to have a strong, proud middle class.
Did I mention that nobody trusts our politicians any more?
The war on drugs has been a catastrophe.
One of my biggest sorrows is that a once proud giant "News" organization (CNN) has become a tabloid with an agenda. So-called journalists are barely trusted any more than politicians.
Yeah, we still have a strong military, but it is buried in bureaucracy that make it cost 10 times what it should. Just like almost every other government function.
So yeah, "Make America Great again" is a noble goal. It doesn't mean bring back segregation. It doesn't mean take the vote away from women (although sometimes I think I would advocate for that ;)).
Maybe the slogan should have been "Make America even greater than it used to be while not bringing back all the bad things", but that wouldn't fit on a hat.
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Obviously Mr Trump touched a big nerve during his campaign with that slogan, and tens of millions of voters agreed that we had lost our way.
This.
And remember Trump went up against 16 others, some very polished politicians, and took them down.
Why? Because voters saw in that group of 16 “Business as usual” and the same old tired BS.
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Media (entertainment, "news", etc) has degraded this country. The permissive Baby Boom, generation of which I am a part also hurt us.
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During the BHO regime the USA slid backwards. BHO policies made this country weak, he elevated racism and divisiveness. Then we had his “world apology tour” that further degraded our status in the world. Our foes and allies alike were laughing at us.
Then we had the economic problems brought on by BHO policies.
All in all America was in a bad place.
So yes, when we heard Make America Great Again it reminded people that as we came out of the dark era of Obama we could regroup and rebuild.
No doubt that Obama made some really bad policy decisions and Congress passed some bad laws. That doesn't mean America wasn't great.
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Obviously Mr Trump touched a big nerve during his campaign with that slogan, and tens of millions of voters agreed that we had lost our way.
Yes, he did touch a nerve. He tapped into something that many in the country not only agreed with, but could relate to. His message resonated. And yes, tens of millions voted in the election, but Trump didn't win by tens of millions of votes.
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I agree that America is and has always been a great country. Not perfect, but still the best in the world.
This is the key line here.
But I can't understand how so many people refuse to admit that America has lost some of what makes it great.
I'm sure many, myself included, agree that we've taken steps that haven't been the best for the country. My point is that it's an awfully large brush some want to paint with to say that America somehow wasn't great under Obama.
So yeah, "Make America Great again" is a noble goal. It doesn't mean bring back segregation.
Is someone suggesting that the slogan is calling for that?
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I completely disagree.
It is typical and utterly expected that the democrats (communists) in America would hate and attack anything that stands between them and a stupid, lazy, dependent, electorate that can be controlled and used.
The fact that they fail at so many things they wish to achieve is typical of the ignorance, inherent racism, egomania and self delusions in which they dip their tiny minds all day, everyday.
So you maintain that the Left is populated with evil geniuses who understand how to push a program which has core good benefits that they don't care about because they fully understand that it means the decline of society? Yeah, not buying it.
First, if that were true, it would mean that we're screwed because we'll never out think them. They are a whole lot smarter than the rest of us and whatever path they lead us down, we will willingly follow. So, we should not follow anything that anyone else wants to do because it will just be a trap meant to ensnare society. Seriously, if you're nodding your head in agreement right now, forget about being a pilot and go tell this to a psychiatrist. There IS medicine they can give you to help. Ignorance, not malice. When you claim malice, you're wrong, you get written off as a crackpot and you lose any capability to actually change something.
Second, something this big wouldn't have stayed hidden for 50 years. Someone, somewhere, there would have been someone bragging about it. Smart people cannot help but brag about how smart they are, especially when they're tricking everyone else. Someone would have written about the extra effects because after all, by disputing me, you're effectively saying that they want this to happen and they think it's the right thing. But what do have on the subject from the Left? Nada
They don't even recognize that there ARE side effects from their programs because to them the goal of the program has been accomplished. To quote Barney Franks in 2007 in reference to Fannie Mae - "We were trying to fix something that wasn't broke."
Conclusion - they don't recognize and don't talk about the problems, so they certainly cannot have planned for them to happen.
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Is someone suggesting that the slogan is calling for that?
Pretty much the entire Left...they have been told by a media that opposes the president that this is a silent signal to everyone to bring out the manacles and whips and let's go back to the good old days of slavery. And they buy it.
Like the right insisting that the Left acts with malice, the Left similarly assumes malice of the Right.
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No doubt that Obama made some really bad policy decisions and Congress passed some bad laws. That doesn't mean America wasn't great.
Ok Mr. Pedantic.
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Yes, America was still great IN SPITE of Obama. He certainly tried to bring us down, and the Fundamental Transformation requirement, and the "You didn't build that!" speech showed he hated his own country. Then Michelle said the first time she was proud of her country was when her husband was elected President.
They were BOTH America Haters, and their Svengali, Valerie Jarrett was also. She ran them like a yo yo.
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I got my first stitches from a Troop meeting (404). We used to play football at dusk at the end of the meeting. I ran directly into the skull of one of the much older Scouts. I was a scrawny kid. Popped my eyebrow open. He was none the worse for wear. Hah.
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I got my first stitches from a Troop meeting (404). We used to play football at dusk at the end of the meeting. I ran directly into the skull of one of the much older Scouts. I was a scrawny kid. Popped my eyebrow open. He was none the worse for wear. Hah.
Oh you poor thing! That should have never been allowed to happen. Perhaps if the other guy was a girl you would have been ok.
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You're such an angry person. I hope you find some time to be happy during the holiday season. Politics is important, but it's not everything in life.
As to your points, if you were truly as tolerant as you claim you would stop calling people derogatory names because you disagree with them, you would stop painting everyone with that broad brush of yours, and you would start being a little more honest in your replies. As it stands, when you reply you have some form of the same comment almost every time and it usually centers around your Democrats (communists) shtick, saying how bad anybody not your brand of ... whatever your political philosophy is, and repeatedly putting people down who disagree with you (see Steingar, Jim, and me for recent examples).
You poor, triggered, dear thing.
If you were as tolerant as you pretend it wouldn’t matter so much that you can’t manage t manage how I reply, and you would be content to deal with your own bullshit instead of trying to manage others.
But you’re not.
Neither are you as Tolerant, or as centrist as pretend. Your Game is just another form of attempted control, not much different than the flaming liberals who ruin every forum they join, every organization they find out about and every community they infect with their totalitarian insanity.
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No doubt that Obama made some really bad policy decisions and Congress passed some bad laws. That doesn't mean America wasn't great.
Unless you listened - actually listened, instead of worshipping at his feeet - and heard his diatribes against America, especially in foreign countries, that were predisposed to hate us for our freedom and our enterprise, which led to wealth.
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Oh you poor thing! That should have never been allowed to happen. Perhaps if the other guy was a girl you would have been ok.
How did that happen without all outdoor play being outlawed because someone might get hurted???
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Oh you poor thing! That should have never been allowed to happen. Perhaps if the other guy was a girl you would have been ok.
Love the sarcasm.
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Is someone suggesting that the slogan is calling for that?
Nobody is calling for bringing back slavery or segregation or taking the vote away from women.
But liberals claim that is what the phrase "Make America Great Again" means. They are wrong and they know it but they don't have anything else.
Nothing else that is, except to either claim that "America was never that great in the first place" OR they say "America is still great", and ignore the problems that so-called "Great Society" has brought us.
I want America to be that "Shining Beacon on the Hill" again that Reagan spoke of in that video Jim posted. I want those days back.
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Nobody is calling for bringing back slavery or segregation or taking the vote away from women.
But liberals claim that is what the phrase "Make America Great Again" means. They are wrong and they know it but they don't have anything else.
Nothing else that is, except to either claim that "America was never that great in the first place" OR they say "America is still great", and ignore the problems that so-called "Great Society" and wealth distribution via welfare and the heavy handed executive orders of the Obama era has brought us.
I want America to be that "Shining Beacon on the Hill" again that Reagan spoke of in that video Jim posted. I want those days back.
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Nobody is calling for bringing back slavery or segregation or taking the vote away from women.
But liberals claim that is what the phrase "Make America Great Again" means. They are wrong and they know it but they don't have anything else.
Nothing else that is, except to either claim that "America was never that great in the first place" OR they say "America is still great", and ignore the problems that so-called "Great Society" has brought us.
I want America to be that "Shining Beacon on the Hill" again that Reagan spoke of in that video Jim posted. I want those days back.
I'll call for taking the vote away from women. We wouldn't be in half as deep doo doo if we'd never made that dreadful mistake.
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From 2008 to 2016 we had a president who, on a regular and continuous basis, apologized to the world for the United States. He self-immolation performed In front of dictators and despots was a slap in the face to everyone who believes in American greatness. He apologized for our slavery even though 600,000 men died to defeat it. He apologized for our “colonization” even though we are the only country in the history of the world who never kept conquered foes’ lands, and in fact worked to rebuild them. He diminished American greatness by equating us to other countries who think they are great, meaning we are not that great and unique.
Obama was a cum stain on the world stage, and we were his sheets. He disgusted me ever since his first anti-America speech abroad even before he took office.
MAGA was a war cry to return America to its greatness in an unapologetic and proud way.
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Those triggered by the phrase, “Make America Great Again,” are the same people who defend fifty year old perverts using the same bathroom as your daughters and wives. They are the same whiners who think free obama phone should be accompanied by free rides to job interviews and that your twelve year old is a sexual deviant if she objects to undressing beside a man who claims to ‘think’ he’s a woman.
The people triggered by the phrase our President made famous are pathetic, partisan, whores, proclaiming whatever they are told to proclaim and never think for themselves, because thinking is hard and it’s easier to let their betters do the thinking for them.
In short, they are the burden we have to drag along behind us as we do the work that makes our country better than it has been when we stupidly let the imbecile America hater be president for eight years.
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I don't understand why the Left does NOT want a President that supports his own country, and own citizens. Obama was a Statist, and Globalist. He even said "only government" can do the necessary things for a country. He was WRONG, and a traitor. He did try to bring this country down a few pegs, as the views America as a Colonial Power that abuses people for our own economic gain.
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Oh you poor thing! That should have never been allowed to happen. Perhaps if the other guy was a girl you would have been ok.
Did you just assume her gender? You pig.
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I don't understand why the Left does NOT want a President that supports his own country, and own citizens. Obama was a Statist, and Globalist. He even said "only government" can do the necessary things for a country. He was WRONG, and a traitor. He did try to bring this country down a few pegs, as the views America as a Colonial Power that abuses people for our own economic gain.
I have always believed that people who talk and vote, instead of do things, hate America because in America people who DO THINGS often find financial rewards, that people who talk and whine want. Their only problem is that they are too good to DO the thing necessary to gain the things that people who DO THINGS seem to always wind up with.
People like steingar hate us because he feels deserving and doesn't understand why those things don't automatically come to him, instead of those he sees as undeserving, unwashed, unintelligent, and not HIS kind of people. He looks down his nose at us just like his little princess barack obama did for the last ten years. Mikey feels a commonality with his little princess barack because he thinks they are comrades against those of us that are not deserving enough to have what we earn.
It's really simple.
Hard lefties hate us for achieving things they think should be theirs by fiat and are happy to destroy the country to put a stop to it.
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Did you just assume her gender? You pig.
Well, you did say:
He was none the worse for wear
So yeah, I assumed "he" wasn't a girl. But I suppose it is possible you just didn't want to admit you were clocked by a girl. ;)
(And I also assumed you just forgot to put a smiley on your post).
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Well, you did say:So yeah, I assumed "he" wasn't a girl. But I suppose it is possible you just didn't want to admit you were clocked by a girl. ;)
(And I also assumed you just forgot to put a smiley on your post).
I have enough faith in your sarcasm detection to post without little winks. Though if you need little winkies to feel better, you may want to discuss with your girl scout leader. ;)
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You guys always seem to want markets to solve these things until its something you like. If the Boy Scouts can't recruit scouts maybe its time for them to step aside and someone else will come along who can.
Said from someone who was never a scout (paramilitary organizations always gave me to the creeps). Then again, perhaps if I was a scout I'd be a better man. Anything is possible.
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You guys always seem to want markets to solve these things until its something you like. If the Boy Scouts can't recruit scouts maybe its time for them to step aside and someone else will come along who can.
Said from someone who was never a scout (paramilitary organizations always gave me to the creeps). Then again, perhaps if I was a scout I'd be a better man. Anything is possible.
I was in Scouting for several years (Cub Scouts, Webelos, and Boy Scouts). Most of our time was spent doing things to attain Merit Badges, camping, and learning how to be good men. Some Merit Badges were science related, sports, crafts, business, civic, outdoor, and survival skills. The one thing I remember was getting my Dad to help me do the different tasks to earn my Merit Badges. It may have been the only real time we spent together, other than going to some sporting events. Without scouting I doubt I would have learned as much from older, male role models, including my Dad.
We had NO girls to distract us, although in Cub Scout we had "Den Mothers" which were the actual leaders, and instructors of our Den which was a group of maybe six or eight boys. These were usually one of the mothers of a boy in our Den. Once you get out of Cub Scouts due to age, you go to more of a totally male environment. Boys can be boys with no worry about how girls will perceive them. They can be themselves. It was very different from the Coed environment we had in school, and just about everywhere else.
Yes we wore uniforms, but I never felt, nor thought of it as a "paramilitary" organization.
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This country so badly needs mandatory military service.
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You guys always seem to want markets to solve these things until its something you like. If the Boy Scouts can't recruit scouts maybe its time for them to step aside and someone else will come along who can.
Said from someone who was never a scout (paramilitary organizations always gave me to the creeps). Then again, perhaps if I was a scout I'd be a better man. Anything is possible.
The “market” doesn’t include social justice warriors suing the organization in court to admit gay scout leaders, or SJWs pressuring this group to accept members that depart from its mission. That was the beginning of the end.
Boy Scouts made me a better man. I learned outdoor and leadership skills otherwise not available to most urban/suburban boys. Our Scout Leader was ex-Navy, so while I never learned Morse code which would have been helpful as a pilot who still uses VORs, I had a chance to learn semaphore, which would have been helpful if I ever needed to use ship-to-ship wartime communications.
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You guys always seem to want markets to solve these things until its something you like. If the Boy Scouts can't recruit scouts maybe its time for them to step aside and someone else will come along who can.
Said from someone who was never a scout (paramilitary organizations always gave me to the creeps). Then again, perhaps if I was a scout I'd be a better man. Anything is possible.
The issue isn't about whether or not Boy Scouts can recruit - it is a change in our environment that means people aren't interested in doing adventure things. We have become timid because it's scary and a significant portion want to insist that everyone become timid with them...because they're scared.
Nobody will replace the Boy Scouts.
On the other hand, this is mainly about the national organization. Most or at least many local councils are independent of the national organization other than "license" to conduct scouting operations in their area. Local councils are largely run responsibly, the problem seems to be at the top.
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You guys always seem to want markets to solve these things until its something you like. If the Boy Scouts can't recruit scouts maybe its time for them to step aside and someone else will come along who can.
Said from someone who was never a scout (paramilitary organizations always gave me to the creeps). Then again, perhaps if I was a scout I'd be a better man. Anything is possible.
Just like the vast majority of helpless, useless liberal democrats.
The idea that a man can grow to be a successful husband and father with no male role model is what created the utter circle jerk that is the current generation of pussies.
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I was in the Boy Scouts and did learn morse code. A buddy and I used it in high school. Helped a lot on tests. It was a small high school in the boonies and 20 years later I ran across our algebra teacher. After talking for awhile she asked how did Dave and I usually come up with same answers on her tests? Sitting across the desk from her I grabbed a pencil and was tapping the rubber eraser end on her desk. The look of understanding that came over her face was fabulous.
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I was in the Boy Scouts and did learn morse code. A buddy and I used it in high school. Helped a lot on tests. It was a small high school in the boonies and 20 years later I ran across our algebra teacher. After talking for awhile she asked how did Dave and I usually come up with same answers on her tests? Sitting across the desk from her I grabbed a pencil and was tapping the rubber eraser end on her desk. The look of understanding that came over her face was fabulous.
Ha. Great story! That would be funny to see her reaction.
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The issue isn't about whether or not Boy Scouts can recruit - it is a change in our environment that means people aren't interested in doing adventure things. We have become timid because it's scary and a significant portion want to insist that everyone become timid with them...because they're scared.
Nobody will replace the Boy Scouts.
On the other hand, this is mainly about the national organization. Most or at least many local councils are independent of the national organization other than "license" to conduct scouting operations in their area. Local councils are largely run responsibly, the problem seems to be at the top.
I’m not so sure about the independence of the local councils. My brother is a scout leader in Illinois, and he is extremely frustrated about the requirement that they accept all boys regardless of condition. He said over 50% of his troop is under some medication, and he’s required to hold and dispense this medication to them multiple times a day. Another boy is autistic and has bouts of shitting his pants. His parents think my brother is a caregiver, not a Scoutmaster.
When I was in Scouts we went on 20 mile hikes, went to summer camp in Northern Wisconsin for hiking, canoeing, swimming, fishing, wilderness survival, and other things. Most of that is no longer possible in the BSA. They even had to tell the parents to stop having the kids bring folding chairs to every camp out. Remember the days of carrying everything you need in one backpack? Not anymore. Worse is that the normal, adventure-sealing boys don’t want to deal with the hassles of having their fun mitigated by the lowest common denominator, so membership is down. He’s waiting to see his two boys make Eagle and then he’s done.
And I have reason to believe my brother’s experience is not just anecdotal. I flew a Warbird into the BSA AirCamp in Rockford this year. The level of special needs Scouts was utterly stunning. I had more
Than one Scoutmaster or leader say “Joey wants to know about...” instead of having the kid ask me himself.
I felt so sorry for my brother after that day. It’s not the same Boy Scouts that I knew when I was a member.
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Stan, that is really sad. I am glad I grew up when I did. PC is killing our society.
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I was in the Boy Scouts and did learn morse code. A buddy and I used it in high school. Helped a lot on tests. It was a small high school in the boonies and 20 years later I ran across our algebra teacher. After talking for awhile she asked how did Dave and I usually come up with same answers on her tests? Sitting across the desk from her I grabbed a pencil and was tapping the rubber eraser end on her desk. The look of understanding that came over her face was fabulous.
Nice to know the Boy Scouts facilitated your academic misconduct.
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Nice to know the Boy Scouts facilitated your academic misconduct.
Lighten up, Francis.
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He’s just trolling, as usual.
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Nice to know the Boy Scouts facilitated your academic misconduct.
Nice to know you are a top down fraud who happens to be a pathetic pussy, and masquerades as an intelligent adult.
If the war on terror ever comes to America people like you will be fodder for the enemy, while those of us who did things will fight and win. If your little gods and goddesses of communism ever take over the government, you and your ilk will be the first ones targeted for elimination, because you will be useless to them.
If you doubt that, look at how nazi germany treated the royalty and how every communist state has treated their intelligentsia.
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I’m not so sure about the independence of the local councils. My brother is a scout leader in Illinois, and he is extremely frustrated about the requirement that they accept all boys regardless of condition. He said over 50% of his troop is under some medication, and he’s required to hold and dispense this medication to them multiple times a day. Another boy is autistic and has bouts of shitting his pants. His parents think my brother is a caregiver, not a Scoutmaster.
This is the inclusion thing, because the national program is dictating program. National is trying to combat falling membership, so their answer has become "yeah, take them as a scout". Nobody gets refused for any reason because every scout means money to the national branch.
I meant financially independent. Each council pays a fee to conduct scouting activities under the BSA label, but they are separate legal entities and separate financial companies. Despite all being BSA, they don't roll their money up together. My experience has been that most councils are very well managed whereas the national is very poorly managed.
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I was about to "LIKE" your post, but I couldn't because I didn't like the contents. I liked the explanation and the real world effects the idiots are having on the BSA.
I would be happy if we had an organization that catered to the kids you mention. Disabled and "special needs" kids should have a place where they can learn about the outdoors and a little bit about self sufficiency. But it shouldn't be at the expense of the kids that want the BSA experience. There could even be a merit badge about helping those special needs kids.
I’m not so sure about the independence of the local councils. My brother is a scout leader in Illinois, and he is extremely frustrated about the requirement that they accept all boys regardless of condition. He said over 50% of his troop is under some medication, and he’s required to hold and dispense this medication to them multiple times a day. Another boy is autistic and has bouts of shitting his pants. His parents think my brother is a caregiver, not a Scoutmaster.
When I was in Scouts we went on 20 mile hikes, went to summer camp in Northern Wisconsin for hiking, canoeing, swimming, fishing, wilderness survival, and other things. Most of that is no longer possible in the BSA. They even had to tell the parents to stop having the kids bring folding chairs to every camp out. Remember the days of carrying everything you need in one backpack? Not anymore. Worse is that the normal, adventure-sealing boys don’t want to deal with the hassles of having their fun mitigated by the lowest common denominator, so membership is down. He’s waiting to see his two boys make Eagle and then he’s done.
And I have reason to believe my brother’s experience is not just anecdotal. I flew a Warbird into the BSA AirCamp in Rockford this year. The level of special needs Scouts was utterly stunning. I had more
Than one Scoutmaster or leader say “Joey wants to know about...” instead of having the kid ask me himself.
I felt so sorry for my brother after that day. It’s not the same Boy Scouts that I knew when I was a member.
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I was about to "LIKE" your post, but I couldn't because I didn't like the contents. I liked the explanation and the real world effects the idiots are having on the BSA.
I would be happy if we had an organization that catered to the kids you mention. Disabled and "special needs" kids should have a place where they can learn about the outdoors and a little bit about self sufficiency. But it shouldn't be at the expense of the kids that want the BSA experience. There could even be a merit badge about helping those special needs kids.
Spot on. My brother and I have had the same discussion. He’s about as compassionate and giving as can be, and being 8 years younger he’s not quite as jaded as me.
A separate troop for special needs sounds perfect, provided you could find the volunteers to work it.
As for girls:
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Even if we have separate "Boy Scouts" and "Girl Scouts" (what a novel concept), then what would we do with people like Asechrest?
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You guys always seem to want markets to solve these things until its something you like. If the Boy Scouts can't recruit scouts maybe its time for them to step aside and someone else will come along who can.
Said from someone who was never a scout (paramilitary organizations always gave me to the creeps). Then again, perhaps if I was a scout I'd be a better man. Anything is possible.
The Scouts are a paramilitary organization? :o
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The Scouts are a paramilitary organization? :o
I saw that. How fuckin' stupid.
But, given that came from our forum troll.....
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The Scouts are a paramilitary organization? :o
Und, in my sektor, ya it vas. Ve vor arm bands und everyzing. Ve vere issued P-38's, und P-08's...……..
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All I can say is if the scouts would have made me anything like you guys I am forever grateful to the all-father Odin I stayed well clear.
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All I can say is if the scouts would have made me anything like you guys I am forever grateful to the all-father Odin I stayed well clear.
You would have been a major failure as a scout, for sure.
A Scout is Trustworthy, Loyal, Helpful, Friendly, Courteous, Kind, Obedient, Cheerful, Thrifty, Brave, Clean, and Reverent.
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All I can say is if the scouts would have made me anything like you guys I am forever grateful to the all-father Odin I stayed well clear.
Don't be an idiot. If you're half the man you say you are, you have every ability to get useful things out of nearly everything in life.
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Michael may have been more comfortable in the Soviet Young Pioneers. Bolshevik, that he is. :)
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All I can say is if the scouts would have made me anything like you guys I am forever grateful to the all-father Odin I stayed well clear.
Merry Christmas mikey!
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Actually, I might have briefly belonged to the Cub scouts. No one to ask now, anyone who ever knew is dead. All I recall is standing in a hallway being verbally berated on minutiae concerning my uniform. I was a member of Indian Scouts. It was an organization where the kids all showed at someone's house and did craft projects while the fathers went off and drank heavily. My old man liked Indian Scouts way better than I.
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You shoulda' stayed the course. You would have learned how to keep yourself physically strong, mentally awake, and morally straight.
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I joined the Girl Scouts for a short time. The problem with all of these groups if you are an introverted autodidact is you just don't do well in any group. Girls and boys can have this problem.
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You shoulda' stayed the course. You would have learned how to keep yourself physically strong, mentally awake, and morally straight.
Instead, he went into Academia.
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Scouting, like CAP and other similar orgs are totally dependent upon the local chapter. There are good ones, and bad ones. I had a good experience.
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The Scouts are a paramilitary organization? :o
The Boy Scouts have teamed up with the Salvation Army to conquer the world!
Seriously though, there is a distant connection between Scouts and the military - initially the training and reliance skills that were taught originally came from a book ("Aids to Scouting", 1899) that was intended for military scouts. It was later re-written to "Scouting for Boys" (1908). This was all U.K. based scouting but found its way to later-formed B.S.A.
I was never a scout, but had one brother who was one for a short time.
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You shoulda' stayed the course. You would have learned how to keep yourself physically strong, mentally awake, and morally straight.
I bet good money I am far in better shape than you. I am a vegetarian, and I walk 6 miles a day for excercise. I am mentally awake, and morally straight. I try to help my students as much as I can. I gave a C- to a woman because she was 0.01 points away from from being flunked, and I couldn’t flunk her because she was so close. I had to flunk two guys who were supposed to graduate. I didn’t want to do so, but had to. It was up to them to learn, not me. But once I did it I hated myself so much all I could do was go home to drink.
Normally when I drink the rules are no more than one drink an hour, no more than three a night, and of course 8 hours bottle to throttle. After flunking two guys who were both going to graduate the only rule was keep the fucking glass full. The second time I’ve hidden from myself in a bottle, and the first was because I had to flunk a graduating senior.
I don’t need the damn Boy Scouts to figure out how to lead a good life. I figured that stuff all on my own. What you guys will never get is some people don’t fit into your little fucking boxes and do just fine despite. Wisdom is the ability to see beyond the lens of your own experience, something I doubt any of you will ever be able to do. And I truly and honestly pity you for it. Being able to see eye to eye with someone truly different from you is one of life’s Greatest pleasures.
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I bet good money I am far in better shape than you. I am a vegetarian, and I walk 6 miles a day for excercise. I am mentally awake, and morally straight. I try to help my students as much as I can. I gave a C- to a woman because she was 0.01 points away from from being flunked, and I couldn’t flunk her because she was so close. I had to flunk two guys who were supposed to graduate. I didn’t want to do so, but had to. It was up to them to learn, not me. But once I did it I hated myself so much all I could do was go home to drink.
Normally when I drink the rules are no more than one drink an hour, no more than three a night, and of course 8 hours bottle to throttle. After flunking two guys who were both going to graduate the only rule was keep the fucking glass full. The second time I’ve hidden from myself in a bottle, and the first was because I had to flunk a graduating senior.
I don’t need the damn Boy Scouts to figure out how to lead a good life. I figured that stuff all on my own. What you guys will never get is some people don’t fit into your little fucking boxes and do just fine despite. Wisdom is the ability to see beyond the lens of your own experience, something I doubt any of you will ever be able to do. And I truly and honestly pity you for it. Being able to see eye to eye with someone truly different from you is one of life’s Greatest pleasures.
Why did you hate yourself because those students chose not to study?
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I had to flunk two guys who were supposed to graduate. I didn’t want to do so, but had to. It was up to them to learn, not me. But once I did it I hated myself so much all I could do was go home to drink.
Wow. Please get help.
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Always, given enough ridiculous, Self congratulating posts, steingar ALWAYS manages to remind us of what a pompous ass he is.
Anyone that self unaware has to live ina fantasy world, because the real world can’t pat his back enough to survive,
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I bet good money I am far in better shape than you. I am a vegetarian, and I walk 6 miles a day for excercise. I am mentally awake, and morally straight. I try to help my students as much as I can. I gave a C- to a woman because she was 0.01 points away from from being flunked, and I couldn’t flunk her because she was so close. I had to flunk two guys who were supposed to graduate. I didn’t want to do so, but had to. It was up to them to learn, not me. But once I did it I hated myself so much all I could do was go home to drink.
Normally when I drink the rules are no more than one drink an hour, no more than three a night, and of course 8 hours bottle to throttle. After flunking two guys who were both going to graduate the only rule was keep the fucking glass full. The second time I’ve hidden from myself in a bottle, and the first was because I had to flunk a graduating senior.
I don’t need the damn Boy Scouts to figure out how to lead a good life. I figured that stuff all on my own. What you guys will never get is some people don’t fit into your little fucking boxes and do just fine despite. Wisdom is the ability to see beyond the lens of your own experience, something I doubt any of you will ever be able to do. And I truly and honestly pity you for it. Being able to see eye to eye with someone truly different from you is one of life’s Greatest pleasures.
I generally think you get short shrift here on the forums and are often unnecessarily brutalized. But in this thread, you're a self-righteous ass, and your lecture about seeing beyond your own lens is the height of projection given the way you've carried yourself in this discussion. Some self-reflection is surely in order.
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I bet good money I am far in better shape than you. I am a vegetarian, and I walk 6 miles a day for excercise. I am mentally awake, and morally straight. I try to help my students as much as I can. I gave a C- to a woman because she was 0.01 points away from from being flunked, and I couldn’t flunk her because she was so close. I had to flunk two guys who were supposed to graduate. I didn’t want to do so, but had to. It was up to them to learn, not me. But once I did it I hated myself so much all I could do was go home to drink.
Normally when I drink the rules are no more than one drink an hour, no more than three a night, and of course 8 hours bottle to throttle. After flunking two guys who were both going to graduate the only rule was keep the fucking glass full. The second time I’ve hidden from myself in a bottle, and the first was because I had to flunk a graduating senior.
I don’t need the damn Boy Scouts to figure out how to lead a good life. I figured that stuff all on my own. What you guys will never get is some people don’t fit into your little fucking boxes and do just fine despite. Wisdom is the ability to see beyond the lens of your own experience, something I doubt any of you will ever be able to do. And I truly and honestly pity you for it. Being able to see eye to eye with someone truly different from you is one of life’s Greatest pleasures.
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I bet good money I am far in better shape than you. I am a vegetarian, and I walk 6 miles a day for excercise. I am mentally awake, and morally straight. I try to help my students as much as I can. I gave a C- to a woman because she was 0.01 points away from from being flunked, and I couldn’t flunk her because she was so close. I had to flunk two guys who were supposed to graduate. I didn’t want to do so, but had to. It was up to them to learn, not me. But once I did it I hated myself so much all I could do was go home to drink.
Normally when I drink the rules are no more than one drink an hour, no more than three a night, and of course 8 hours bottle to throttle. After flunking two guys who were both going to graduate the only rule was keep the fucking glass full. The second time I’ve hidden from myself in a bottle, and the first was because I had to flunk a graduating senior.
I don’t need the damn Boy Scouts to figure out how to lead a good life. I figured that stuff all on my own. What you guys will never get is some people don’t fit into your little fucking boxes and do just fine despite. Wisdom is the ability to see beyond the lens of your own experience, something I doubt any of you will ever be able to do. And I truly and honestly pity you for it. Being able to see eye to eye with someone truly different from you is one of life’s Greatest pleasures.
Unlike the others here I appreciate the glimpse into who you are. I'm not on forums just to pontificate my political views (this board) or engage in superficial chit chat (PoA). I also like to learn something about the other members.
That you aren't giving undeserving students grades they don't deserve says something about you and it's indeed that you have a code and one with which presumably everyone here would agree. That you were so upset about it says something else but it's not something I'd criticize you for. It sounds like you felt the way I did when I had to do something that hurt someone else but was necessary. I know the feeling.
My only comment about the vegetarianism is I would suggest a B12 check, I hear these days 1000 is the optimal level, although the lab reports still use 200-800 range.
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I’m still quite curious why Steingar would hate himself (actual quote) for doing the right thing.
I can see feeling sorry for the guys who failed, apparently on purpose, but how does that convolute into self hate by an instructor?
There’s either more to that story or it’s Fountainhead come to life ... wherein a social worker is angry and self deprecating and feels she’s made the wrong choice of career ... all because she finds out one of her former clients found himself a job and built a good life without her help.
SJWs are a curse to many, but apparently also to themselves.
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I bet good money I am far in better shape than you. I am a vegetarian, and I walk 6 miles a day for excercise. I am mentally awake, and morally straight. I try to help my students as much as I can. I gave a C- to a woman because she was 0.01 points away from from being flunked, and I couldn’t flunk her because she was so close. I had to flunk two guys who were supposed to graduate. I didn’t want to do so, but had to. It was up to them to learn, not me. But once I did it I hated myself so much all I could do was go home to drink.
Normally when I drink the rules are no more than one drink an hour, no more than three a night, and of course 8 hours bottle to throttle. After flunking two guys who were both going to graduate the only rule was keep the fucking glass full. The second time I’ve hidden from myself in a bottle, and the first was because I had to flunk a graduating senior.
I don’t need the damn Boy Scouts to figure out how to lead a good life. I figured that stuff all on my own. What you guys will never get is some people don’t fit into your little fucking boxes and do just fine despite. Wisdom is the ability to see beyond the lens of your own experience, something I doubt any of you will ever be able to do. And I truly and honestly pity you for it. Being able to see eye to eye with someone truly different from you is one of life’s Greatest pleasures.
Hey douchebag, asechrest was being nice and giving you the last line of the Boy Scout Oath. You in turn chose to be your typical pompous asshole, only to further enlighten us on your pathetically weak mental status and why you had to turn to the drinking to hide from the results of doing what you felt was the right thing.
Feel free to once again threaten to not come back. That’s your typical MO and you sound like a broken record. I’m sure two or three people will fawn over you not to leave, giving you the positive feedback you must not get in your real life. The rest of us could not give a shit.
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Hey douchebag,
You've just insulted douchebag's everywhere........... ;D
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That's right. I was giving the last line of the Boy Scout Oath as a way to elucidate the good values that Scouting helps teach. I admit that it may have seemed like I was suggesting that Steingar did not hold those values. And I admit that I may have designed it that way to see how it tweaked him. I guess I didn't expect him to don the mantle of hypocrisy and suggest inability to accept discordant views after bashing Scouts and Scout supporters in this very thread (and having never been a Scout!).
I don't want him to leave and will happily spar with him on the subject, but there has to be some substance there.