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Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: Lucifer on December 15, 2018, 07:17:20 AM

Title: Hating The President Is Not a Strategy, As Bill Kristol Just Learned
Post by: Lucifer on December 15, 2018, 07:17:20 AM
https://townhall.com/columnists/jeffballabon/2018/12/15/hating-the-president-is-not-a-strategy-as-bill-kristol-just-learned-n2537512
Title: Re: Hating The President Is Not a Strategy, As Bill Kristol Just Learned
Post by: LevelWing on December 15, 2018, 07:30:15 AM
In a fair minded world, nobody should be "hating" Trump. Calling balls and strikes is exactly what everyone should be doing. Unfortunately, there are some that have taken the stance that unless you're a MAGA carrying card member, you're anti-Trump and there's no room in the middle. Ironic since that's how the left is currently acting with intersectionality. You're either 100% on board or you're 100% against them.

Kristol may have made some mistakes and I don't know enough about the Weekly Standard to know if it is 100% Kristol's fault that the publication is failing 100% because he decided to be anti-Trump. I suspect there's more to it than that, as there is with most everything.

The person that Kristol wanted to put forward to challenge Trump and Clinton in 2016, David French, is one of the most rational, logical, conservative thinkers out there. He wasn't interested in challenging Trump, and still isn't.
Title: Re: Hating The President Is Not a Strategy, As Bill Kristol Just Learned
Post by: Lucifer on December 15, 2018, 07:53:29 AM
Read further into the article.  It's just not the Weekly Standard that has failed, but many outlets that run 24/7 hate the President coverage.  The biggest of those is CNN, who now has ratings lower than Nickelodeon, Hallmark Channel and Home and Garden Television.

Bill Kristol has made himself a total asshat over the past 3 years and has taken the Weekly Standard in the wrong direction and is responsible for it's declining readership.  Attracting readers and keeping them is a business decision, and providing content that readers wants is how a publication stays in business.  It's obvious he has failed at this.

 If they want articles (or news segments) critical of the President, fine.  But when you place the entire objective of the publication/network on one central theme, then the readers/viewers tire of this quickly, and leave.

 Bill Kristol will continue to be the darling of liberal networks where he has now found his niche.

https://theweek.com/articles/809540/continuing-lunacy-neocons

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Seventeen years after the United States overthrew the government of Afghanistan, 15 years after we toppled the government of Iraq, and seven years after we deposed the government of Libya, neoconservative pundit William Kristol announced the goal of American foreign policy over the coming decades should be "regime change" in China, a nuclear power that also happens to have a population more than four times the size of the United States.

This is important — for several reasons.

It's important because it shows that Kristol, despite burnishing his mainstream reputation over the past few years by unwaveringly opposing Donald Trump, remains an unrepentant neocon.

It's important because, along with a tweet storm Kristol produced to explain and defend his endorsement of Chinese regime change, it helps to clarify exactly what's distinctive about neoconservative foreign policy thinking.

And it's important, finally, because it so clearly illustrates just how dangerous and deluded that way of thinking really is.
Title: Re: Hating The President Is Not a Strategy, As Bill Kristol Just Learned
Post by: Number7 on December 15, 2018, 08:08:44 AM
It is so chic to hate conservatives AND pretend that conservatives represent the party of hate that the majority can't see the hypocrisy they babble. The only thing that brings RINOs and democrats (communists) together is their hatred of PRESIDENT of the UNITED STATES DONALD TRUMP, and their desire to punish every single person that dared not vote for the chosen candidate of the democrat (communist ) party.

The double standard that is practiced by democrats (communists) has never been more obvious, more in play, or more delusional than right now, and when things like the weekly standard failing occur, RINOs run all over themselves trying to pretend that it wasn't because hating the PRESIDENT of the UNITED STATES, DONALD TRUMP, wasn't enough to insure success.

I am purposely capitalizing here to trigger pants wetting democrats (communists) and RINO cowards alike, BTW.
Title: Re: Hating The President Is Not a Strategy, As Bill Kristol Just Learned
Post by: Anthony on December 15, 2018, 08:12:51 AM
Bill Kristol, and RINO (Establishment) Republicans love the big government status quo of Washington.  They view Trump as a threat to that.  I remember during the height of the recession I had to go to DC each week and essentially live there.  The opulence was evident, and the mood was different than the rest of the country.  These people are different.  They are insulated, and think they are SPECIAL.  Tar and feathering is too good for them. 
Title: Re: Hating The President Is Not a Strategy, As Bill Kristol Just Learned
Post by: Number7 on December 15, 2018, 08:16:14 AM
Bill Kristol, and RINO (Establishment) Republicans love the big government status quo of Washington.  They view Trump as a threat to that.  I remember during the height of the recession I had to go to DC each week and essentially live there.  The opulence was evident, and the mood was different than the rest of the country.  These people are different.  They are insulated, and think they are SPECIAL.  Tar and feathering is too good for them.

The PRESIDENT of the UNITED STATES, DONALD TRUMP, already proved that the country can succeed, become energy independent, right size foreign trade, restore American jobs and be strong without all of the big government democrats (communists) and bed wetting RINO cowards. That's why they hate him even more than when he beat their little goddess of corruption, hilary clinton.
Title: Re: Hating The President Is Not a Strategy, As Bill Kristol Just Learned
Post by: LevelWing on December 15, 2018, 08:19:52 AM
Read further into the article.  It's just not the Weekly Standard that has failed, but many outlets that run 24/7 hate the President coverage.  The biggest of those is CNN, who now has ratings lower than Nickelodeon, Hallmark Channel and Home and Garden Television.

Bill Kristol has made himself a total asshat over the past 3 years and has taken the Weekly Standard in the wrong direction and is responsible for it's declining readership.  Attracting readers and keeping them is a business decision, and providing content that readers wants is how a publication stays in business.  It's obvious he has failed at this.

 If they want articles (or news segments) critical of the President, fine.  But when you place the entire objective of the publication/network on one central theme, then the readers/viewers tire of this quickly, and leave.

 Bill Kristol will continue to be the darling of liberal networks where he has now found his niche.

https://theweek.com/articles/809540/continuing-lunacy-neocons
I did read the article and I'm not disputing whether or not Bill Kristol has made poor business decisions that led to the demise of the Weekly Standard. The argument being put forth in the Daily Caller article is that if you're any sort of news outlet that hates Trump, you're likely to suffer lower ratings or go out of business. I think there's way more going on than something that simple. I also don't think it was exclusively Kristol's anti-Trump stance that led to the Weekly Standard being shut down. Instead, I think it was a combination of factors, some of which you made note of in your second linked article.
Title: Re: Hating The President Is Not a Strategy, As Bill Kristol Just Learned
Post by: Lucifer on December 15, 2018, 08:27:30 AM
I did read the article and I'm not disputing whether or not Bill Kristol has made poor business decisions that led to the demise of the Weekly Standard. The argument being put forth in the Daily Caller article is that if you're any sort of news outlet that hates Trump, you're likely to suffer lower ratings or go out of business. I think there's way more going on than something that simple. I also don't think it was exclusively Kristol's anti-Trump stance that led to the Weekly Standard being shut down. Instead, I think it was a combination of factors, some of which you made note of in your second linked article.

 Again, if you focus your outlet on continuous coverage of a single issue, the market begins shrinking.  Kristol, CNN, Vox and others have fallen into this trap and it's obvious.   

 The media outlets that cater to the TDS crowd are losing market share because the reality is this: There really is not a large group of TDS sufferers in this country.  They are a small minority, but the MSM wants to project them as the majority.

 Networks and websites that offer a more balanced look at news and issues are fairing much better, something Kristol can't grasp.
Title: Re: Hating The President Is Not a Strategy, As Bill Kristol Just Learned
Post by: nddons on December 17, 2018, 05:15:32 PM
Again, if you focus your outlet on continuous coverage of a single issue, the market begins shrinking.  Kristol, CNN, Vox and others have fallen into this trap and it's obvious.   

 The media outlets that cater to the TDS crowd are losing market share because the reality is this: There really is not a large group of TDS sufferers in this country.  They are a small minority, but the MSM wants to project them as the majority.

 Networks and websites that offer a more balanced look at news and issues are fairing much better, something Kristol can't grasp.
Weekly Standard used to be on my regular rotation, even though it was sub standard to others like the National Review. I was anti-Trump in the primary, and Ted Cruz won the primary in Wisconsin. But when I saw the shit Kristol and his Never Trump “conservatives” were throwing against the wall to see what sticks after the convention, I saw that they were helping to elect a President Clinton. I never looked at their site again. I’m guessing there are millions like me who did the same.

It’s not about hating Trump per se; I got that every day all over the place. What I saw was a group of somewhat well placed insiders trying to submarine the nomination. That was self destructive and I would have none of it.
Title: Re: Hating The President Is Not a Strategy, As Bill Kristol Just Learned
Post by: Lucifer on December 17, 2018, 06:20:01 PM
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