PILOT SPIN
Pilot Zone => Pilot Zone => Topic started by: Old Crow on January 30, 2019, 08:30:55 PM
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http://collincountycriminallawyers.com/2013/05/should-pilots-take-the-breath/
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Spent too much of my time, attention, mental energy and treasure obtaining a pilot's license (or certificate, or whateverthefuck you want to call it). I do NOT drive drunk ever. I don't drink out of the house unless I can be assured a designated driver. Ever.
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http://collincountycriminallawyers.com/2013/05/should-pilots-take-the-breath/
I think the article is correct. As for me, I don't drink alcohol, so it's never really been a concern.
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You know, I consider driving and flying separate. First of all, I hate the fact that the government has to have its hands on my car. I get why they do, and understand the reasoning, but I still don't like it. I have never, and will never, fly an airplane drunk. Period. I don't think I can. If I play MS Flight Simulator and have a couple, I start crashing. Not cool.
But, I drove... unlegally toxicated all of my adult life and most of my teenage life. I didn't grow up much in the States, so don't get too moral on me. When I'm in Southeast Asia, everyone on the road is fucked up after five, including me, and here is where it is different...
You are held accountable on your actions, not some abstract blood alcohol number.
That's right, if you cause an accident, you are held accountable. If you kill someone, you are held accountable. If you can drive fucked up and not cause a problem, they couldn't care less.
That's how the States used to be, back in the day when I grew up. Or at least how I remember it. Now we live in a goddamned police state.
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You know, I consider driving and flying separate. First of all, I hate the fact that the government has to have its hands on my car. I get why they do, and understand the reasoning, but I still don't like it. I have never, and will never, fly an airplane drunk. Period. I don't think I can. If I play MS Flight Simulator and have a couple, I start crashing. Not cool.
But, I drove... unlegally toxicated all of my adult life and most of my teenage life. I didn't grow up much in the States, so don't get too moral on me. When I'm in Southeast Asia, everyone on the road is fucked up after five, including me, and here is where it is different...
You are held accountable on your actions, not some abstract blood alcohol number.
That's right, if you cause an accident, you are held accountable. If you kill someone, you are held accountable. If you can drive fucked up and not cause a problem, they couldn't care less.
That's how the States used to be, back in the day when I grew up. Or at least how I remember it. Now we live in a goddamned police state.
What are you trying to say? You in favor of drinking and driving?
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What are you trying to say? You in favor of drinking and driving?
It's an odd diatribe, to be sure. Yeah, people weren't cited unless there was a crash, with or without bodies lying about. But there are fewer of them today, which is a good thing.
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The thing I remember about Thailand is if you were in a taxi and the taxi had an accident, the driver would get out and run away. And he might warn you to run away too because anyone in the car causing the accident could be prosecuted. For some reason that I dont' understand, they could not match the taxi up with the driver.
But like Sac, I admit I have done my share of driving when I shouldn't have, but that was a long time ago before it was so frowned on. The problem though was that it wasn't usually the drunk driver that was held accountable. It was the innocent victims that may have been killed or maimed for life. I am against government intrusion, but if they want to stop prosecuting DUIs unless there is an accident, then the drunk should be given maximum punishment every time. Up to and including capital punishment. The slap on the wrist shit doesn't work.
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The problem is that the reduction in the limit to .08 nationally has served to ensnare many people who are not at all impaired, but may have had a couple cocktails, beers or wine with dinner.
Wisconsin has a drinking culture. While the limit isn’t raised, the first offense is a misdemeanor, not a felony. I think that’s reasonable, unless the person did in fact cause injury or damage.
There is a problem with repeat offenders. Many continue to drive with their licenses revoked. Just like gun control, you can’t control criminals with laws.
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DUI is a HUGE revenue producer for County Government. Police are now just armed revenue collectors. No I don't think people should drive drunk, but our governments are now for profit of the "judicial" system.
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DUI is a HUGE revenue producer for County Government. Police are now just armed revenue collectors. No I don't think people should drive drunk, but our governments are now for profit of the "judicial" system.
That's another reason to push for severe physical punishment rather than huge fines.
If the drunk driver is to pay huge amounts, that should go to the person they hit.
(of course though, some people will then go stand in front of cars leaving the local watering hole).
I think corporal punishment is underused in this country. A good whoopin and no criminal record (for first offenses) would do a lot more to dissuade recidivism and cost a lot less.
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That's another reason to push for severe physical punishment rather than huge fines.
If the drunk driver is to pay huge amounts, that should go to the person they hit.
(of course though, some people will then go stand in front of cars leaving the local watering hole).
I think corporal punishment is underused in this country. A good whoopin and no criminal record (for first offenses) would do a lot more to dissuade recidivism and cost a lot less.
From what I understand from my lawyer friends, most DUI's are not the result of accidents or anyone they "hit", but people being pulled over for crossing the center line, or a tail light or brake light that is out. A fishing expedition on a Friday or Saturday night where someone has a few drinks and blows a .10, or .12 when the limit is .08. Big money for the government in fines, court costs, legal fees, etc.
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From what I understand from my lawyer friends, most DUI's are not the result of accidents or anyone they "hit", but people being pulled over for crossing the center line, or a tail light or brake light that is out. A fishing expedition on a Friday or Saturday night where someone has a few drinks and blows a .10, or .12 when the limit is .08. Big money for the government in fines, court costs, legal fees, etc.
I just can't get worked up over cops pulling over people for dangerous driving, but I can debate the punishment.
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I just can't get worked up over cops pulling over people for dangerous driving, but I can debate the punishment.
It doesn't have to be dangerous driving. The police are uniformed, and armed REVENUE COLLECTORS now. Government has become a for profit, money hungry business. Police pull people over to go on fishing expeditions to try to run up fines, and fees. Check that traffic ticket you get. The fine is $25, then the court costs, and fees make it $150.
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From what I understand from my lawyer friends, most DUI's are not the result of accidents or anyone they "hit", but people being pulled over for crossing the center line, or a tail light or brake light that is out. A fishing expedition on a Friday or Saturday night where someone has a few drinks and blows a .10, or .12 when the limit is .08. Big money for the government in fines, court costs, legal fees, etc.
Exactly. That’s the kicker. I’ve seen too many road blocks designed to catch the casual drinker. It pisses me off. I’m cooperative when I’m pulled over for something, but I’m less than collegial at road blocks. This isn’t the USSR.
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Time was the cops would just sit you in the drunk tank for the night, or drive you home. But the draconian police state surrounding DUI didn't spring up out of a vacuum, and governments didn't invent it to make money. Too damn many people were getting clobbered by these folks. What worked in a nation of 100 million doesn't work in a nation of 300 million. So the reaction to drunk drivers wound up with some unintended consequences up to an including challenges to our Constitutional rights.
All that said there is an easy way to keep from being ensnared by all this. Don't drink and drive. I probably drink way more and way more frequently than any of you. I DO NOT drink and drive. Like I said, my cert is just too damn important to me.
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Too damn many people were getting clobbered by these folks. What worked in a nation of 100 million doesn't work in a nation of 300 million. So the reaction to drunk drivers wound up with some unintended consequences up to an including challenges to our Constitutional rights.
That, and MADD is now a three headed monster.
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That, and MADD is now a three headed monster.
MADD has spawned DAMM (Drivers Against Mad Mothers).