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Title: Trump Approval Rating 48%
Post by: nddons on February 05, 2019, 11:23:16 AM
Well well well.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/
Title: Re: Trump Approval Rating 48%
Post by: Lucifer on February 05, 2019, 12:17:14 PM
Yea but...........

Trump is a racist!
Title: Re: Trump Approval Rating 48%
Post by: Anthony on February 05, 2019, 12:23:37 PM
Watch liberal/progressive heads explode. 
Title: Re: Trump Approval Rating 48%
Post by: Lucifer on February 05, 2019, 12:39:53 PM
Watch liberal/progressive heads explode.

Fake news!!   Fake polls!!!     The Russians!   Putin!!
Title: Re: Trump Approval Rating 48%
Post by: Anthony on February 05, 2019, 12:43:13 PM
Maybe people are starting to realize the entire Russia/Putin accusation was a Democrat/Media LIE. 
Title: Re: Trump Approval Rating 48%
Post by: Lucifer on February 05, 2019, 12:45:32 PM
Maybe people are starting to realize the entire Russia/Putin accusation was a Democrat/Media LIE.

Reasonable people, yes.

The alt left progressives are still clinging to it.
Title: Re: Trump Approval Rating 48%
Post by: nddons on February 05, 2019, 12:51:09 PM
Watch liberal/progressive heads explode.
Heard on the radio that on this date for Obama’s 2nd SOTU his approval rating was 46%. 2 points lower than Trump. Didn’t verify this.
Title: Re: Trump Approval Rating 48%
Post by: Lucifer on February 05, 2019, 01:01:00 PM
Heard on the radio that on this date for Obama’s 2nd SOTU his approval rating was 46%. 2 points lower than Trump. Didn’t verify this.

No!   NO!!!!    The Messiah was ALWAYS at 90% plus!!!!!
Title: Re: Trump Approval Rating 48%
Post by: Anthony on February 05, 2019, 01:26:33 PM
Obama was a polished t*rd.  Fortunately, he accomplished nothing including Fundamental Transformation.  Although, and for probably for self serving reasons he did help mainstream the entire LGBT lifestyle, and agenda. 
Title: Re: Trump Approval Rating 48%
Post by: Number7 on February 05, 2019, 06:10:10 PM
Well well well.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/

Which means it is in the mid fifties.
Title: Re: Trump Approval Rating 48%
Post by: nddons on February 05, 2019, 06:24:52 PM
Which means it is in the mid fifties.
I agree.
Title: Re: Trump Approval Rating 48%
Post by: Number7 on February 05, 2019, 06:38:12 PM
I agree.

I talk to people every single day, who tell me that they avoid commenting on their support for President Trump because communists (they call themselves democrats) go postal every time someone says something that isn't totally negative about him.
Title: Re: Trump Approval Rating 48%
Post by: Anthony on February 05, 2019, 06:50:01 PM
I talk to people every single day, who tell me that they avoid commenting on their support for President Trump because communists (they call themselves democrats) go postal every time someone says something that isn't totally negative about him.

Yet the Left preaches they are "tolerant", and "inclusive".  They are also evolved, and enlightened. 
Title: Re: Trump Approval Rating 48%
Post by: Steingar on February 05, 2019, 07:00:57 PM
Maybe people are starting to realize the entire Russia/Putin accusation was a Democrat/Media LIE.

That’s why half Trumplethinskin’s confidants are either in jail or on their way.  How many convictions has Mueller wracked up? You all want to say it’s Democratic smoke and mirrors, except Mueller is a Republican.

Captain Chaos was right about one thing. He really could shoot someone in the head on 5th Avenue and you would all still support him.
Title: Re: Trump Approval Rating 48%
Post by: Lucifer on February 05, 2019, 07:13:14 PM
That’s why half Trumplethinskin’s confidants are either in jail or on their way.

 Half?  Really?

How many convictions has Mueller wracked up?

 And how many of those actually involve ANYTHING to do with "Russian Collusion"?  Seems to me most of those convictions are due to process crimes.

You all want to say it’s Democratic smoke and mirrors, except Mueller is a Republican.

 Who surrounds himself with democrat donors and operatives.  You forgot to mention Mueller's close ties to the Clintons.

Title: Re: Trump Approval Rating 48%
Post by: Number7 on February 05, 2019, 09:07:04 PM
That’s why half Trumplethinskin’s confidants are either in jail or on their way.  How many convictions has Mueller wracked up? You all want to say it’s Democratic smoke and mirrors, except Mueller is a Republican.

Captain Chaos was right about one thing. He really could shoot someone in the head on 5th Avenue and you would all still support him.

You are a fucking asshole.... and that’s on your good days.
Title: Re: Trump Approval Rating 48%
Post by: Steingar on February 06, 2019, 07:05:50 AM
You are a fucking asshole.... and that’s on your good days.

How do you confuse Number 7?































You don't.  He was born that way.
Title: Re: Trump Approval Rating 48%
Post by: Anthony on February 06, 2019, 07:09:52 AM
The Mango Mussolini is kicking Commie, Democrat ass!  Did you see Bernie Sander's face last night when Trump said we will always be a nation of Liberty, and Freedom, and that people are born free, and live free here?  And that we will NEVER be a Socialist (Totalitarian Oppressive) nation?
Title: Re: Trump Approval Rating 48%
Post by: Steingar on February 06, 2019, 07:22:42 AM
Half?  Really?

 And how many of those actually involve ANYTHING to do with "Russian Collusion"?  Seems to me most of those convictions are due to process crimes.

George Papadopoulos, pled guilty to charges of lying to the FBI
Paul Manafort, found guilty of five counts of tax fraud, one of the four counts of failing to disclose his foreign bank accounts, and two counts of bank fraud
Rick Gates- guilty of conspiracy
Yevgeny Prigozhin and his companies, for their activities in getting up troll farms to influence the election
Richard Pinedo- pled guilty to charges of identity theft
Alex van der Zwaan-pled guilty to charges of lying to the FBI
Konstantin Kilimnik-obstruction of justice
Michael Cohen-tax, bank, and finance charges
Roger Stone-indicted for lying to Congress
Michael Flynn-pled guilty to charges of lying to the FBI, and was accused of outright treason by Judge Emmett Sullivan

Of course, the obvious question is why did all these people lie to officials if no one did anything wrong?

Title: Re: Trump Approval Rating 48%
Post by: Rush on February 06, 2019, 07:27:21 AM
George Papadopoulos, pled guilty to charges of lying to the FBI
Paul Manafort, found guilty of five counts of tax fraud, one of the four counts of failing to disclose his foreign bank accounts, and two counts of bank fraud
Rick Gates- guilty of conspiracy
Yevgeny Prigozhin and his companies, for their activities in getting up troll farms to influence the election
Richard Pinedo- pled guilty to charges of identity theft
Alex van der Zwaan-pled guilty to charges of lying to the FBI
Konstantin Kilimnik-obstruction of justice
Michael Cohen-tax, bank, and finance charges
Roger Stone-indicted for lying to Congress
Michael Flynn-pled guilty to charges of lying to the FBI, and was accused of outright treason by Judge Emmett Sullivan

Of course, the obvious question is why did all these people lie to officials if no one did anything wrong?

Well threats against their children for one thing.  I'd plead guilty to anything to keep my kid out of prison.  Are you seriously not aware of the corrupt witch hunt that this is?  And they STILL cannot hang a single thing on Trump himself. Yet all the felonies Hillary herself committed, they gave her a pass. 
Title: Re: Trump Approval Rating 48%
Post by: Anthony on February 06, 2019, 07:29:49 AM
George Papadopoulos, pled guilty to charges of lying to the FBI
Paul Manafort, found guilty of five counts of tax fraud, one of the four counts of failing to disclose his foreign bank accounts, and two counts of bank fraud
Rick Gates- guilty of conspiracy
Yevgeny Prigozhin and his companies, for their activities in getting up troll farms to influence the election
Richard Pinedo- pled guilty to charges of identity theft
Alex van der Zwaan-pled guilty to charges of lying to the FBI
Konstantin Kilimnik-obstruction of justice
Michael Cohen-tax, bank, and finance charges
Roger Stone-indicted for lying to Congress
Michael Flynn-pled guilty to charges of lying to the FBI, and was accused of outright treason by Judge Emmett Sullivan

Of course, the obvious question is why did all these people lie to officials if no one did anything wrong?

What in any of that says there was Russian influence to elect Trump?  How did they influence the election?  Also, why would all of Trump's policies including Energy, and Foreign policy be anti Russia.  What kind of payback is that?  It makes absolutely no sense, yet you and the Democrat controlled media continue to parrot these lies. 
Title: Re: Trump Approval Rating 48%
Post by: bflynn on February 06, 2019, 07:43:27 AM
You are a fucking asshole.... and that’s on your good days.

Ohhh...an internet tough guy....
Title: Re: Trump Approval Rating 48%
Post by: bflynn on February 06, 2019, 07:50:33 AM
Of course, the obvious question is why did all these people lie to officials if no one did anything wrong?

You have to look at each of these situations case by case.  Most of situations I've seen stem from different understandings of events and are technical lies.  It looked blue to me but others though it was gold, so I'm a liar.  Mueller chooses one "truth" and the other guy gets charged with lying.

The only proper answer to any question from the special prosecutor is to refuse to answer questions because so many people who do wind up getting themselves in trouble trying to be helpful.
Title: Re: Trump Approval Rating 48%
Post by: Rush on February 06, 2019, 08:12:44 AM
You have to look at each of these situations case by case.  Most of situations I've seen stem from different understandings of events and are technical lies.  It looked blue to me but others though it was gold, so I'm a liar.  Mueller chooses one "truth" and the other guy gets charged with lying.

The only proper answer to any question from the special prosecutor is to refuse to answer questions because so many people who do wind up getting themselves in trouble trying to be helpful.

Yes. I'm finding out through these cases something shocking. Human memory is imperfect, and open to interpretation, I thought that was a given. Apparently not. You are held to an impossible standard? If you say "I don't remember emailing that person but maybe I did and forgot. That was two years ago." And then they dig up the email, they will charge you with lying!

The only thing you can do is to refuse to talk to them, EVER. For any reason, even if they say you are only a witness they are really after someone else - that's a lie.  THEY can lie to YOU but God help you if your memory is not perfect in every detail. Is this really the world we live in? This is Communist China, this is a fascist dictatorship. This isn't the land of justice and fairness.

I don't understand why any of these people are talking to them at all. Because then they will be charged with "obstruction" or "failure to cooperate" or something. This is unconscionable. They pick a target and go after them. That's not how it's supposed to work. They are supposed to have a crime and then find the perpetrators. This is beyond out of control. And the taxpayers are funding these corrupt monsters and these empty witch hunts.
Title: Re: Trump Approval Rating 48%
Post by: Lucifer on February 06, 2019, 08:41:06 AM
George Papadopoulos, pled guilty to charges of lying to the FBI

A process crime.  No relation to "Russian Collusion".  Papadopoulas was hardly considered a confidant or even a part of the President's inner circle.  Evidence also highly suggest Papadopoulas was set up by the FBI.

Paul Manafort, found guilty of five counts of tax fraud, one of the four counts of failing to disclose his foreign bank accounts, and two counts of bank fraud

 Very briefly served as campaign manager.  The tax fraud was years old case with no connections to the Trump campaign or "Russia Collusion". The tax case was actually considered by the US prosecutor years earlier and was turned down for investigation.

 Bank fraud is a process crime.  Even the US Attorney's office didn't want to investigate.

 BTW, Manafort had ties to Robert Mueller and a Russian oligarch who was instrumental in arranging the Uranium One deal.

Rick Gates- guilty of conspiracy

Low Level campaign official, not a part of the President's inner circle.  Nothing to do with "Russia Collusion".  Process crime.

(note) Gates has a history of lying, unreliable as a witness)

Yevgeny Prigozhin and his companies, for their activities in getting up troll farms to influence the election
Richard Pinedo- pled guilty to charges of identity theft
Alex van der Zwaan-pled guilty to charges of lying to the FBI
Konstantin Kilimnik-obstruction of justice

None of the above were connected with the Trump Campaign.  Certainly none were considered to be confidants of President Trump.  Again, process crimes not worthy of a SP investigation.

Michael Cohen-tax, bank, and finance charges

One of many attorneys that has worked for DJT while he was in business.  Never was his lead attorney.  Again, process crimes having nothing to do with DJT or the Trump campaign, and nothing to do with "Russia Collusion".


Roger Stone-indicted for lying to Congress

Process crime.  No evidence of "Russia Collusion".  His only crime was being a friend of DJT for decades.

Michael Flynn-pled guilty to charges of lying to the FBI, and was accused of outright treason by Judge Emmett Sullivan

 Go look up treason and you'll see how ridiculous that was.

 Gen Flynn was fired by BHO while he was Director of DIA.  Flynn disagreed with BHO on several national issues, Benghazi being one of them.  BHO advised Trump not to hire him, and was infuriated when DJT did just that.

 It's now know through evidence McCabe (Fired former Deputy FBI Director) set up Flynn to be fired.   Through evidence obtained it also shows the FBI agents who interviewed Flynn stated they felt he wasn't lying.

 BTW, Gen Flynn is a registered democrat.

Of course, the obvious question is why did all these people lie to officials if no one did anything wrong?

 Please go read the actual, real evidence involved.  It's obvious you haven't.

 If lying to congress is a crime, why isn't Hillary Clinton, James Comey, James Clapper, John Brennan, Peter Strzok, Lisa Page, Andrew McCabe, Rod Rosenstein and Bruce Ohr being indicted?   They all have recorded testimony in which they have proven to have lied to congress.

 As the old saying goes "A good prosecutor can indict a ham sandwich".

 Get some facts and get back to us.
Title: Re: Trump Approval Rating 48%
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on February 06, 2019, 08:56:08 AM
Yes. I'm finding out through these cases something shocking. Human memory is imperfect, and open to interpretation, I thought that was a given. Apparently not. You are held to an impossible standard? If you say "I don't remember emailing that person but maybe I did and forgot. That was two years ago." And then they dig up the email, they will charge you with lying!

The only thing you can do is to refuse to talk to them, EVER. For any reason, even if they say you are only a witness they are really after someone else - that's a lie.  THEY can lie to YOU but God help you if your memory is not perfect in every detail. Is this really the world we live in? This is Communist China, this is a fascist dictatorship. This isn't the land of justice and fairness.

I don't understand why any of these people are talking to them at all. Because then they will be charged with "obstruction" or "failure to cooperate" or something. This is unconscionable. They pick a target and go after them. That's not how it's supposed to work. They are supposed to have a crime and then find the perpetrators. This is beyond out of control. And the taxpayers are funding these corrupt monsters and these empty witch hunts.
I was on the jury for a young man accused of robbery. Three police officers reponded and testified. One said the scene was well lit, one said the scene was moderately lit, and one said it was dark. I kid you not. The accused was spiffed up with a fresh haircut and his baby mama was in the room. He cast loving glances at her periodically.

Being allowed to use ONLY evidence presented, which of course is a justifiable requirement, we were forced to a verdict of innocent. After the vote, the jury foreman asked out of curiosity how many of you BELIEVE he is guilty? Every hand went up. The exonerated strutted out past the jury wearing not The Covington version, but a real, devilish smirk.

Yes, it’s the “justice” system. But it is imperfect, like most human systems.
Title: Re: Trump Approval Rating 48%
Post by: Anthony on February 06, 2019, 08:59:44 AM
Well he wasn't found "innocent".  He was found NOT GULITY beyond a REASONABLE doubt.  Obviously, the reasonable doubt outweighed your actual thoughts. 
Title: Re: Trump Approval Rating 48%
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on February 06, 2019, 09:02:15 AM
Now this is a number that means something. Something big.

https://mobile.twitter.com/PressSec/status/1093139771893919745
Title: Re: Trump Approval Rating 48%
Post by: nddons on February 06, 2019, 09:34:06 AM
Yes. I'm finding out through these cases something shocking. Human memory is imperfect, and open to interpretation, I thought that was a given. Apparently not. You are held to an impossible standard? If you say "I don't remember emailing that person but maybe I did and forgot. That was two years ago." And then they dig up the email, they will charge you with lying!

The only thing you can do is to refuse to talk to them, EVER. For any reason, even if they say you are only a witness they are really after someone else - that's a lie.  THEY can lie to YOU but God help you if your memory is not perfect in every detail. Is this really the world we live in? This is Communist China, this is a fascist dictatorship. This isn't the land of justice and fairness.

I don't understand why any of these people are talking to them at all. Because then they will be charged with "obstruction" or "failure to cooperate" or something. This is unconscionable. They pick a target and go after them. That's not how it's supposed to work. They are supposed to have a crime and then find the perpetrators. This is beyond out of control. And the taxpayers are funding these corrupt monsters and these empty witch hunts.
You’re exactly right. This is a crime looking for a perpetrator.

Remember how Hillary, all the IRS criminals, and DOJ accessories took the 5th when being questioned by Congress?  That’s what all these people should have done.
Title: Re: Trump Approval Rating 48%
Post by: Lucifer on February 06, 2019, 09:49:27 AM
You’re exactly right. This is a crime looking for a perpetrator.

Remember how Hillary, all the IRS criminals, and DOJ accessories took the 5th when being questioned by Congress?  That’s what all these people should have done.

 Agreed.

 But when a conservative takes the fifth, the dims and their MSM start the narrative of "Ah Ha!!, what's he hiding!!  Guilty!!!"   Of course, when a liberal uses the fifth, he/she is "protecting their rights".

 
Title: Re: Trump Approval Rating 48%
Post by: nddons on February 06, 2019, 09:55:14 AM
Agreed.

 But when a conservative takes the fifth, the dims and their MSM start the narrative of "Ah Ha!!, what's he hiding!!  Guilty!!!"   Of course, when a liberal uses the fifth, he/she is "protecting their rights".
Yep. Just look at Steingar. He thinks Mueller’s smoke means there’s a fire.  In reality, Mueller’s smoke is a smoke screen because he’s got nothing else.
Title: Re: Trump Approval Rating 48%
Post by: Rush on February 06, 2019, 10:31:29 AM
Agreed.

 But when a conservative takes the fifth, the dims and their MSM start the narrative of "Ah Ha!!, what's he hiding!!  Guilty!!!"   Of course, when a liberal uses the fifth, he/she is "protecting their rights".

I can remember the JonBenet Ramsey case. When the Ramseys lawyered up, everybody said, "They did it! If they were innocent they wouldn't have needed to get a lawyer!"

Soooooo  stupid.  ESPECIALLY if you are innocent, you need to lawyer up immediately in situations like that.

I'm having fun looking at the Chris Watts case - the reverse!  The stupid idiot did not lawyer up, blabbed to the police and the FBI intimate details about his marriage when it was just a missing persons case, and was then easily manipulated into confessing to killing her.
Title: Re: Trump Approval Rating 48%
Post by: Steingar on February 06, 2019, 10:41:52 AM


Of course, the only poll I really care about happens on the first Tuesday in November.
Title: Re: Trump Approval Rating 48%
Post by: Lucifer on February 06, 2019, 10:43:34 AM


Of course, the only poll I really care about happens on the first Tuesday in November.

That's apparent.  You've been crying about the one in 2016 for a couple of years now.
Title: Re: Trump Approval Rating 48%
Post by: Rush on February 06, 2019, 11:09:21 AM


Of course, the only poll I really care about happens on the first Tuesday in November.

Yes! Good video. Scary stuff.
Title: Re: Trump Approval Rating 48%
Post by: Number7 on February 06, 2019, 01:48:48 PM
George Papadopoulos, pled guilty to charges of lying to the FBI
Paul Manafort, found guilty of five counts of tax fraud, one of the four counts of failing to disclose his foreign bank accounts, and two counts of bank fraud
Rick Gates- guilty of conspiracy
Yevgeny Prigozhin and his companies, for their activities in getting up troll farms to influence the election
Richard Pinedo- pled guilty to charges of identity theft
Alex van der Zwaan-pled guilty to charges of lying to the FBI
Konstantin Kilimnik-obstruction of justice
Michael Cohen-tax, bank, and finance charges
Roger Stone-indicted for lying to Congress
Michael Flynn-pled guilty to charges of lying to the FBI, and was accused of outright treason by Judge Emmett Sullivan

Of course, the obvious question is why did all these people lie to officials if no one did anything wrong?

You are a fucking idiot.

I know that's an insult to fucking idiots but it's as close as I can come without using big words which confuse you too much.
Title: Re: Trump Approval Rating 48%
Post by: Number7 on February 06, 2019, 01:49:33 PM
Ohhh...an internet tough guy....

You poor, pathetic, out of touch, child.
Title: Re: Trump Approval Rating 48%
Post by: bflynn on February 06, 2019, 02:50:23 PM
You poor, pathetic, out of touch, child.

LOL.

You are so easy to set off...
Title: Re: Trump Approval Rating 48%
Post by: Number7 on February 06, 2019, 02:54:48 PM
LOL.

You are so easy to set off...

That's off. We were thinking the veyr same thing about you and you never ending quest to convince us how brave and special you are.