PILOT SPIN
Pilot Zone => Pilot Zone => Topic started by: nddons on March 06, 2019, 12:48:52 PM
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Very interesting. I wonder what this does to the price? Good thing they didn’t sell to Garmin. Annual Garmin ForeFlight subscription would be $750.
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One thing for certain. Price isn't going down.
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My foreflight subscription just expired 3/1.
With them jacking the cost of the premium sub up to $300, I decided to switch to Garmin Pilot for this year.
My RV-9A is a full Garmin panel. Twin G3X Touch, GTN650, etc. So far I'm fairly impressed, and at 1/2 the price ($150) it is a much easier hit on the wallet.
-Dan
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My foreflight subscription just expired 3/1.
With them jacking the cost of the premium sub up to $300, I decided to switch to Garmin Pilot for this year.
My RV-9A is a full Garmin panel. Twin G3X Touch, GTN650, etc. So far I'm fairly impressed, and at 1/2 the price ($150) it is a much easier hit on the wallet.
-Dan
That's a really nice airplane.
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That's a really nice airplane.
Thanks, Wife and I built it, and we have really enjoyed it. Amazingly capable, plane. 147knots TAS on 6.25 GPH. Full IFR, three axis AP, etc. I just push buttons and land :).
-Dan
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Thanks, Wife and I built it, and we have really enjoyed it. Amazingly capable, plane. 147knots TAS on 6.25 GPH. Full IFR, three axis AP, etc. I just push buttons and land :).
-Dan
You can't touch that performance with a factory built plane. I thought my Tiger was efficient. 135 KTAS on 10 GPH. Plus you have great short field performance. I may start looking for an RV-7 or similar that has already been built as I don't want to build. Another option is a light sport.
The RV-9 sounds like a near perfect mix of compromises, as all planes are.
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You can't touch that performance with a factory built plane. I thought my Tiger was efficient. 135 KTAS on 10 GPH. Plus you have great short field performance. I may start looking for an RV-7 or similar that has already been built as I don't want to build. Another option is a light sport.
The RV-9 sounds like a near perfect mix of compromises, as all planes are.
7 is also a great airplane. I went with the 9, and gave up the aerobatics capability for the more efficient wing. my 9(A, nose wheel) does best between about 8 and 14k feet.
If you are interested in a basically brand new RV-12 or RV-12iS let me know. I run a non-profit that builds RV-12's in high schools around the country. We just sold (I believe) the first RV-12iS resale and have one more iS, or the "older" RV-12 for sale. Built by students with direct supervision of guys that have literally built dozens of planes between them.
our web site is www.tangoflight.org. Web site is a bit old. We are working with Wichita State University Shocker lab to redesign the web site and the new one should be live by next Wednesday.
-Dan
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You can't touch that performance with a factory built plane. I thought my Tiger was efficient. 135 KTAS on 10 GPH. Plus you have great short field performance. I may start looking for an RV-7 or similar that has already been built as I don't want to build. Another option is a light sport.
The RV-9 sounds like a near perfect mix of compromises, as all planes are.
I also have a 1946 J-3 that was my Grandfathers. Between the 9 to go places fast, and the J-3 for low and slow it covers just about everything I want to do, other than build another plane.... Hmm, maybe an Rv-14 :)
-Dan
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You can't touch that performance with a factory built plane. I thought my Tiger was efficient. 135 KTAS on 10 GPH. Plus you have great short field performance. I may start looking for an RV-7 or similar that has already been built as I don't want to build. Another option is a light sport.
The RV-9 sounds like a near perfect mix of compromises, as all planes are.
Just sucks if you find yourself needing a back seat or extended luggage space.
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I also have a 1946 J-3 that was my Grandfathers. Between the 9 to go places fast, and the J-3 for low and slow it covers just about everything I want to do, other than build another plane.... Hmm, maybe an Rv-14 :)
-Dan
That's just about a perfect mix! Good for you! Thanks for the heads up on the RV-12, as that is on my radar also. It's hard to beat the Vans lineup. I'm surprised they don't get more discussion. I think the RV-6's are nice too, and they seem to be going for less money than the 7's, but still have excellent performance. I don't need to haul a lot of stuff, nor back seaters anymore, so.......
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Just sucks if you find yourself needing a back seat or extended luggage space.
Don't need it anymore. No more wife, kid is grown and gone, plus they never really liked to fly anyway. Just me, and potentially a "friend" these days. If we can bring tooth brushes that's about it. :)
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Just sucks if you find yourself needing a back seat or extended luggage space.
I've been flying my 9a for four years (next month) and close to 500 hours. I can easily count on one hand the number of times I really needed a four place plane in that time. Fortunately for me I have access to a Cardinal and a 182 when I need them.
As far as luggage space. I have never understood that argument. I can easily fit camping gear and clothes for the wife and I for an entire week in the plane. Access is a bit of a hassle (side door would be nice) but 100 pounds of luggage space is plenty for anything reasonable.
-Dan
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That's just about a perfect mix! Good for you! Thanks for the heads up on the RV-12, as that is on my radar also. It's hard to beat the Vans lineup. I'm surprised they don't get more discussion. I think the RV-6's are nice too, and they seem to be going for less money than the 7's, but still have excellent performance. I don't need to haul a lot of stuff, nor back seaters anymore, so.......
For some reason the RV-6 sells at a discount. I guess because folks want the newer model (7). However, as long as you get one with the updated rudder (or don't mind doing/having it done) you can get some really good deals on some very nice 6's. I've seen people get a basic VFR (older) panel, mid time engine RV-6(a) in the low 40's. For what that plane will do, that is an incredible deal.
-Dan
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And since I've turned this into an RV thread, let me also add :).
I've flown most of the RV models (not an 8 unfortunately), and they are one great flying airplanes, and two if you can fly one, you just need to learn the numbers for the others and you will be able to fly them.
The 9a(mine) and the 10 (four place) fly so much alike that insurance let me do my transition training in a 10. First time I ever flew an RV-9a as PIC was on my first flight. Almost identical flight characteristics.
-Dan
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And since I've turned this into an RV thread, let me also add :).
I've flown most of the RV models (not an 8 unfortunately), and they are one great flying airplanes, and two if you can fly one, you just need to learn the numbers for the others and you will be able to fly them.
The 9a(mine) and the 10 (four place) fly so much alike that insurance let me do my transition training in a 10. First time I ever flew an RV-9a as PIC was on my first flight. Almost identical flight characteristics.
-Dan
That's good info. Like any plane, but especially slicker ones, speed management is key. Thanks for the heads up on the rudder issue with the 6. I am going to start reading up on the Vans forum for this type of stuff.
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And since I've turned this into an RV thread, let me also add :).
I've flown most of the RV models (not an 8 unfortunately), and they are one great flying airplanes, and two if you can fly one, you just need to learn the numbers for the others and you will be able to fly them.
The 9a(mine) and the 10 (four place) fly so much alike that insurance let me do my transition training in a 10. First time I ever flew an RV-9a as PIC was on my first flight. Almost identical flight characteristics.
-Dan
Damn you Dan! Now I hope Boeing acquires Vans Aircraft.
Just kidding. Always love airplane talk on an airplane forum.
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Don't need it anymore. No more wife, kid is grown and gone, plus they never really liked to fly anyway. Just me, and potentially a "friend" these days. If we can bring tooth brushes that's about it. :)
Make that "friend with toothbrush and bikini".
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Make that "friend with toothbrush and bikini".
She wears that with a discreet cover up of course. :)
Oh yeah, thongs don't take up much room or weight either. Lol!
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She wears that with a discreet cover up of course. :)
Oh yeah, thongs don't take up much room or weight either. Lol!
So somehow between being a young college buck and when I was a dad to a teenage girl, I missed the whole thong phenomenon. So you could imagine my anticipation about 15 years ago about going down to Sarasota for vacation hoping to catch a thong or two to see firsthand what this phenomenon was about.
The first and only thongs I saw were two gay guys laying out on the beach on Lido Key. After blowing chow, I tried to find some eye bleach to remove that image from my mind’s eye. I was unsuccessful at that, but many Bombay Safire and tonics helped to ease the pain.
Good God, Anthony, don’t be those guys. Leave the thongs for the ladies. Buy a bigger plane if necessary to hold man sized swimming trunks.
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So somehow between being a young college buck and when I was a dad to a teenage girl, I missed the whole thong phenomenon. So you could imagine my anticipation about 15 years ago about going down to Sarasota for vacation hoping to catch a thong or two to see firsthand what this phenomenon was about.
The first and only thongs I saw were two gay guys laying out on the beach on Lido Key. After blowing chow, I tried to find some eye bleach to remove that image from my mind’s eye. I was unsuccessful at that, but many Bombay Safire and tonics helped to ease the pain.
Good God, Anthony, don’t be those guys. Leave the thongs for the ladies. Buy a bigger plane if necessary to hold man sized swimming trunks.
Damn. Revealed again.
Yes, it's a curse, and society still refuses to accept me. :(
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So somehow between being a young college buck and when I was a dad to a teenage girl, I missed the whole thong phenomenon. So you could imagine my anticipation about 15 years ago about going down to Sarasota for vacation hoping to catch a thong or two to see firsthand what this phenomenon was about.
Don't go to Florida with the idea of "girl watching", unless it's spring break. Otherwise, they mostly make my 62 yr old wife look young.
Even during spring break any more, most of the girls are showing a lot more skin than one person should have (if you get my drift).
Girl watching just ain't what it used to be.
But maybe Rush will move to Florida and things will change! ;D
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Don't go to Florida with the idea of "girl watching", unless it's spring break. Otherwise, they mostly make my 62 yr old wife look young.
Even during spring break any more, most of the girls are showing a lot more skin than one person should have (if you get my drift).
Girl watching just ain't what it used to be.
But maybe Rush will move to Florida and things will change! ;D
NOW you tell me.
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So somehow between being a young college buck and when I was a dad to a teenage girl, I missed the whole thong phenomenon. So you could imagine my anticipation about 15 years ago about going down to Sarasota for vacation hoping to catch a thong or two to see firsthand what this phenomenon was about.
The first and only thongs I saw were two gay guys laying out on the beach on Lido Key. After blowing chow, I tried to find some eye bleach to remove that image from my mind’s eye. I was unsuccessful at that, but many Bombay Safire and tonics helped to ease the pain.
Good God, Anthony, don’t be those guys. Leave the thongs for the ladies. Buy a bigger plane if necessary to hold man sized swimming trunks.
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Haha! Yes, it was like that! I thought they were topless. In effect they were, but not in a good way.
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I've flown in a few RV's, and boy do I like the breed. But Mrs. Steingar will never set foot in one (she took one look at the canopy and said "no way". Besides, have you ever seen how you get into one of those things? The Mooney is bad enough!). And there's no way I could fit Mrs. Steingar's shit in an RV. Damn things have barely enough room for her purse. I doubt I could do my Oshkosh trip in one either, unless I invested in gear that takes up even less space. I think I had more room on the Goldwing.
They are truly great as toys though.