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Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on March 14, 2019, 02:38:59 PM

Title: TDS thread
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on March 14, 2019, 02:38:59 PM
I agree this represents the ultimate example of the lies mainstream media is willing to spread about POTUS. The twitter account shown is the official account of the Democrat Party.

How anyone could be a liberal and not decry this travesty of outright lying I cannot fathom. But then, that’s what “derangement” means.

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2019/03/13/ultimate-example-of-tds-democrats-trump-refuses-to-acknowledge-the-seriousness-of-the-opioid-epidemic/

https://www.whitehouse.gov/articles/will-win-war-opioids/
Title: Re: TDS thread
Post by: Little Joe on March 14, 2019, 02:45:19 PM
I agree that TDS is real and dangerous.
I also believe there is a real Opioid crisis.

But just the idea of another "war on drugs" scares the shit out of me.

I mentioned to my wife that we need to develop new types of pain medication that is not addictive.  She agreed, but asked where is the profit motive in that?  Addiction is what fuels sales.
Title: Re: TDS thread
Post by: Number7 on March 14, 2019, 06:10:11 PM
The democrats have become synonymous with communists because so many ae afraid to speak their minds for fear of how their own party will punish them.

It's easy to lie like the hateful, racist, bigots that control the communist (democrat) party when your core group of useful idiots lack the balls to stand up to the lies.

Of course those 'compassionate' democrats also organize bans, firings, organized hooliganism, lunatic protests like we saw against Justice Kavanaugh, and every other form of forced compliance and thought control against anyone who dares think for themselves.
Title: Re: TDS thread
Post by: Steingar on March 15, 2019, 05:55:45 AM
Law enforcement hereabouts woke up long ago to the fact that they weren't arresting their way out of this, that new strategies had to be implemented.  A pity folks in DC can't figure that out.  The War on Drugs is an abject failure, we should have rethought it long ago.  Instead we keep pumping billions into incarceration that does little to actually fix the problem.
Title: Re: TDS thread
Post by: Anthony on March 15, 2019, 07:10:31 AM
Legalize all drugs.  Dismantle the law enforcement agencies assigned to this task.
Title: Re: TDS thread
Post by: nddons on March 15, 2019, 07:23:50 AM
Legalize all drugs.  Dismantle the law enforcement agencies assigned to this task.
Bullshit. More kids died of opioid deaths in Wisconsin than died in traffic accidents last year. States that legalized pot are having all sorts of societal problems, including  steep rises in impaired driving, and lack of available workers who can pass a drug test. The dope heads are pushing this in Wisconsin now that we have a Democrat Governor again. If that happens we as a state are fucked.
Title: Re: TDS thread
Post by: Steingar on March 15, 2019, 08:40:24 AM
Legalize all drugs.  Dismantle the law enforcement agencies assigned to this task.

I really like the Portuguese model.  They didn't legalize drugs, but they treat drug crimes as mental health issues.  You don't go to jail, but you're offered treatment if you want it.  It is still illegal to import or sell the stuff, but catching those folks isn't a big law enforcement priority like it is here.

Portugal is one of the poorest countries in Europe, but it is the only one to see declining narcotic use.  Sorry, but I don't care about ideology, I care about what works.
Title: Re: TDS thread
Post by: Anthony on March 15, 2019, 09:45:10 AM
Bullshit. More kids died of opioid deaths in Wisconsin than died in traffic accidents last year. States that legalized pot are having all sorts of societal problems, including  steep rises in impaired driving, and lack of available workers who can pass a drug test. The dope heads are pushing this in Wisconsin now that we have a Democrat Governor again. If that happens we as a state are fucked.

Too bad.  Darwin in action.  Let them grow the eff up.
Title: Re: TDS thread
Post by: Steingar on March 15, 2019, 10:31:12 AM
States that legalized pot are having all sorts of societal problems, including  steep rises in impaired driving, and lack of available workers who can pass a drug test. The dope heads are pushing this in Wisconsin now that we have a Democrat Governor again. If that happens we as a state are fucked.

I have yet to see any evidence of this.  And if workers can't pass a drug screen maybe the screen is the problem.  Tetrahydrocannabinol (THC, the fun part of ganja) is detectable at physiological inactive concentrations for an extended time after usage.  There are folks who can toke in the evening or on the weekend and be fine for work, but will be reactive for THC when they do so despite being sober.
Title: Re: TDS thread
Post by: nddons on March 15, 2019, 12:42:31 PM
I have yet to see any evidence of this.  And if workers can't pass a drug screen maybe the screen is the problem.  Tetrahydrocannabinol (THC, the fun part of ganja) is detectable at physiological inactive concentrations for an extended time after usage.  There are folks who can toke in the evening or on the weekend and be fine for work, but will be reactive for THC when they do so despite being sober.
https://www.denverpost.com/2018/03/25/colorado-auto-deaths-marijuana-use/

As for the tests, that’s all we need is to dumb down drug tests.

My evidence for the drug tests being a problem is from talking to manufacturing clients who have a very significant problem getting new employees who can pass a drug test. Whether your flying, driving, operating a lathe or a robot, employees need to be clean. An employer has no interest in having an employee who “should be ok” when a potential accident due to drug impairment could yield major and significant liability and workman’s comp exposure to the company.
Title: Re: TDS thread
Post by: Lucifer on March 15, 2019, 05:10:13 PM
http://thefederalist.com/2019/03/13/every-time-democrats-talk-want-vote-trump-twice/
Title: Re: TDS thread
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on March 15, 2019, 07:45:00 PM
http://thefederalist.com/2019/03/13/every-time-democrats-talk-want-vote-trump-twice/
Outstanding!
Title: Re: TDS thread
Post by: Anthony on March 16, 2019, 05:25:34 AM
http://thefederalist.com/2019/03/13/every-time-democrats-talk-want-vote-trump-twice/

I concur.  Great article.

For the few leftists or "moderates" we have here, what has Trump done that you don't like?  Not what he has said, but what policies, laws, EO's, etc, has he put in place that you don't like?

I listen to a local sports talk radio station here, and once in a while they will get a little political.  When Trump was elected a few hosts were lamenting the country was now doomed.  As the vast majority of media is LEFTIST, even sports media, they were upset that Trump was elected, and still make comments on how bad he is for America.  What is so bad?
Title: Re: TDS thread
Post by: Rush on March 16, 2019, 05:45:39 AM
I really like the Portuguese model.  They didn't legalize drugs, but they treat drug crimes as mental health issues.  You don't go to jail, but you're offered treatment if you want it.  It is still illegal to import or sell the stuff, but catching those folks isn't a big law enforcement priority like it is here.

Portugal is one of the poorest countries in Europe, but it is the only one to see declining narcotic use.  Sorry, but I don't care about ideology, I care about what works.

I believe I posted something about the Portugal situation. Solid evidence how to realistically address the drug problem.

Absolutely it should be treated as a mental disease. Furthermore I am moving to the conclusion all prisons should be psychiatric treatment centers rather than places of punishment. What they do to prisoners is inhumane and only makes them more hardened. There is radiographic evidence that personality disorders such as psychopathy and narcissism are caused by physical differences in the brain. Make no mistake, someone convicted of violent crime should never be released and these facilities need to be maximally secure.

Title: Re: TDS thread
Post by: Anthony on March 16, 2019, 05:48:14 AM
I don't think non-violent criminals should be jailed at all.  What physical danger do they present to society that they need to be jailed?

Am I a liberal?
Title: Re: TDS thread
Post by: Little Joe on March 16, 2019, 05:53:07 AM
I don't think non-violent criminals should be jailed at all.  What physical danger do they present to society that they need to be jailed?

Am I a liberal?
Are you a liberal?  Probably not, but you are just as deluded as a liberal in this case.

I know someone that had their life ruined for many years because someone stole their identity.  That was a non-violent crime, but it caused real world misery.

But maybe you have a point.  They shouldn't be jailed.  They should be executed.  Most of the problems of this world would be solved if we had fewer bad people.
Title: Re: TDS thread
Post by: Rush on March 16, 2019, 05:54:13 AM
I don't think non-violent criminals should be jailed at all.  What physical danger do they present to society that they need to be jailed?

Am I a liberal?

I’m undecided what to do about nonviolent crime that has direct victims such as identity theft. I think I’d not jail them but make an exception to my stand against the death penalty and put them in front of a firing squad.
Title: Re: TDS thread
Post by: Rush on March 16, 2019, 05:55:03 AM
Are you a liberal?  Probably not, but you are just as deluded as a liberal in this case.

I know someone that had their life ruined for many years because someone stole their identity.  That was a non-violent crime, but it caused real world misery.

But maybe you have a point.  They shouldn't be jailed.  They should be executed.  Most of the problems of this world would be solved if we had fewer bad people.

Wow I posted before I read this, great minds or what? ;D
Title: Re: TDS thread
Post by: Steingar on March 16, 2019, 05:57:23 AM
https://www.denverpost.com/2018/03/25/colorado-auto-deaths-marijuana-use/

As for the tests, that’s all we need is to dumb down drug tests.

My evidence for the drug tests being a problem is from talking to manufacturing clients who have a very significant problem getting new employees who can pass a drug test. Whether your flying, driving, operating a lathe or a robot, employees need to be clean. An employer has no interest in having an employee who “should be ok” when a potential accident due to drug impairment could yield major and significant liability and workman’s comp exposure to the company.

And here I thought conservatives believed in free markets and supply and demand. Raise salaries. If the pay goes high enough you’ll get clean workers. If you have to stay straight for a good paycheck folks will do it. Sorry, just the price of being in business.
Title: Re: TDS thread
Post by: Little Joe on March 16, 2019, 06:02:43 AM
And here I thought conservatives believed in free markets and supply and demand. Raise salaries. If the pay goes high enough you’ll get clean workers. If you have to stay straight for a good paycheck folks will do it. Sorry, just the price of being in business.
Sure, but there are two sides to the Supply and Demand theory.  If you raise the salaries enough, then costs/prices go up until there is no more demand at that price.
Title: Re: TDS thread
Post by: Steingar on March 16, 2019, 06:04:57 AM
Sure, but there are two sides to the Supply and Demand theory.  If you raise the salaries enough, then costs/prices go up until there is no more demand at that price.

Then your business is untenable and you either move or do something else.
Title: Re: TDS thread
Post by: Anthony on March 16, 2019, 06:06:06 AM
So the illegal aliens who commit identity theft on a grand scale by using the social security numbers of legal citizens like you and me should be executed?  Wow, tough crowd.  Maybe torture them first?
Title: Re: TDS thread
Post by: Rush on March 16, 2019, 06:18:55 AM
And here I thought conservatives believed in free markets and supply and demand. Raise salaries. If the pay goes high enough you’ll get clean workers. If you have to stay straight for a good paycheck folks will do it. Sorry, just the price of being in business.

Drug tests aren’t free market, they are an example of the unholy alliance between big business and government as described in the article I recently posted describing the differences between today’s left and Marxist communism. The makers of pee tests are all about getting corporations and government employers to mandate pee tests for all applicants and regular random testing for employees. These tests have false positives. They have ruined innocent people and they unfairly punish people who harmlessly smoke one joint on Saturday night.

Protect society against problem addicts and alcoholics yes but way too many normal people are caught up in this net for the sake of profit and of government gathering data about your body and your lifestyle to be used against you.

At the very least marijuana, being multiple times safer than alcohol, should be viewed in the same legal status as alcohol. Testing your pee for pot but not alcohol is completely illogical.
Title: Re: TDS thread
Post by: Number7 on March 16, 2019, 06:54:44 AM
The instant someone causes an accident while having marijuana in their system, watch for all the so-called liberal lawyers to cluster around and start suing. Those same sleaze bags were protesting for legal pot, will be vehemently anti-pot for pay.

That si the literal definition of liberal... ANYTHING for money.
Title: Re: TDS thread
Post by: Steingar on March 16, 2019, 08:56:01 AM
The instant someone causes an accident while having marijuana in their system, watch for all the so-called liberal lawyers to cluster around and start suing. Those same sleaze bags were protesting for legal pot, will be vehemently anti-pot for pay.

That si the literal definition of liberal... ANYTHING for money.

Since you are apparently unable to read complex argument, I’ll try and break this down for you.  Drug tests detect chemicals in the urine or bloodstream. These chemicals are either the ones that alter our minds in the first place (ethanol, THC, opioids etc.) or the things our body breaks them down into.

For alcohol this works quite well. The response of the tests is lineal, that is the more signal you get out of the tests the more ethanol is in the sample. If the test detects an illegal amount of the substance, you can bet the subject was drinking heavily. The rate of false positives, that is people in whom large amounts of alcohol are detected who have not imbibed, are actually quit low. Were I accused of DUI by an LEO I would insist on a detection regimen, they are that good.

THC, the active ingredient in pot, is quite different. The detection is non linear, that is a tiny amount can easily give off a big signal. Moreover, THC is a hydrophobic molecule, meaning it is very oily. It can therefore remain in membranes and lipids for a very long time.  Now those concetrations are insufficient to make you high, but they are enough to set off a chemical test.
Title: Re: TDS thread
Post by: Number7 on March 16, 2019, 10:37:45 AM
Mikey you never seem to grasp the obvious realities of life.

No one cares how smart you think you are, or how superior you pretend to be. You’ve proven time and again how shallow, low information and easily manipulated by the liars in the media and faculty lounge.

Liberal lawyers will twist all the facts to try and make tons of money every time there is an accident involving a doped up driver.

The entire pot thing is about money and not about anything else.
Muse up idiots like you will run around beating the stupid drum and carry their water helping them get rich
Title: Re: TDS thread
Post by: Steingar on March 16, 2019, 12:25:06 PM
What did Number 7 say when the pretty girl blew in his ear?






















Thanks for the refill!
Title: Re: TDS thread
Post by: Number7 on March 16, 2019, 12:26:40 PM
Can’t help but reinforce for everyone how deeply deluded and childish you are...
Title: Re: TDS thread
Post by: Lucifer on March 16, 2019, 12:28:38 PM
Can’t help but reinforce for everyone how deeply deluded and childish you are...

The perfesser is a forum troll.   Not worth wasting time with.
Title: Re: TDS thread
Post by: Steingar on March 16, 2019, 12:29:01 PM
Can’t help but reinforce for everyone how deeply deluded and childish you are...

Didn’t you stay up all last night to see where the sun went until it finally dawned on you?
Title: Re: TDS thread
Post by: Number7 on March 16, 2019, 12:29:47 PM
Didn’t you stay up all last night to see where the sun went until it finally dawned on you?

Did you buy the children’s book where you find your elementary school level insults, or just steal it?
Title: Re: TDS thread
Post by: Steingar on March 16, 2019, 12:32:59 PM
Did you buy the children’s book where you find your elementary school level insults, or just steal it?

Unlike yourself I did find no reason to color in it.
Title: Re: TDS thread
Post by: Anthony on March 16, 2019, 12:35:38 PM
I prefer those paint by numbers kits over coloring books.  Just sayin
Title: Re: TDS thread
Post by: Rush on March 16, 2019, 01:34:46 PM
I prefer those paint by numbers kits over coloring books.  Just sayin

I’m coloring in adult coloring books these days. No not that kind of “adult”. Just really finely detailed pictures. I use colored pencils. It’s relaxing.
Title: Re: TDS thread
Post by: Lucifer on March 16, 2019, 01:47:39 PM
I’m coloring in adult coloring books these days. No not that kind of “adult”. Just really finely detailed pictures. I use colored pencils. It’s relaxing.

Oh, I have the adult ones!  Much more fun!

I’m still looking for the “Pearl Jam” pencil though.
Title: Re: TDS thread
Post by: Anthony on March 16, 2019, 02:06:21 PM
I’m coloring in adult coloring books these days. No not that kind of “adult”. Just really finely detailed pictures. I use colored pencils. It’s relaxing.

Now you've done it!

Whatever floats your boat, err, I mean flies your plane.  Aviation site and all.........
Title: Re: TDS thread
Post by: nddons on March 18, 2019, 07:19:58 PM
And here I thought conservatives believed in free markets and supply and demand. Raise salaries. If the pay goes high enough you’ll get clean workers. If you have to stay straight for a good paycheck folks will do it. Sorry, just the price of being in business.
Boy, you certainly know about business don’t you, being cloistered inside the safe zone of academia.

You may have walked past the economics department, so next time you do, I suggest you sit in on a class.  Look up price elastic of demand. When the price for a good or service increases, the demand for it decreases along with the sales volume for the good or service.
Title: Re: TDS thread
Post by: Mr Pou on March 19, 2019, 04:36:16 AM
I’m coloring in adult coloring books these days. No not that kind of “adult”. Just really finely detailed pictures. I use colored pencils. It’s relaxing.

Circle of Life, and all that...