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Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: Little Joe on March 16, 2019, 05:24:57 AM
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I'm sure you all know about the college admission scandal. A bunch of rich celebrities paid millions to someone to cheat and lie and bribe their kids way into some of the best schools.
How come I haven't read anything about the hypocrisy of this. How much do you want to bet that every one of these "celebrities" are liberals that push and push to blame and punish the rich and to give the poor downtrodden peasants equal opportunity. But when the chips are on the table, these liberals show their greed runs deep and they don't really care about the "less fortunate", except as a means to boost their own wealth and prestige.
Now, I'm only guessing these are liberals. I suppose a few of them could be conservatives too, but we are talking about Hollwood types here. I am willing to have someone prove me wrong.
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The basic characteristic of a Liberal, Progressive, Democrat is HYPOCRISY. Do as I say, not as I do. It is the same with people pushing radical taxation, and punishment for man made climate change. Look at the lifestyles of the people pushing that. Look at their "carbon footprint" they demonize for you and me.
I doubt that Steingar will stop using fossil fuels anytime soon including those to heat and cool his house, or burn in vehicles, including 100LL.
I guarantee all these celebrities, and rich folks are far left loons, and huge hypocrites.
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The basic characteristic of a Liberal, Progressive, Democrat is HYPOCRISY. Do as I say, not as I do. It is the same with people pushing radical taxation, and punishment for man made climate change. Look at the lifestyles of the people pushing that. Look at their "carbon footprint" they demonize for you and me.
I doubt that Steingar will stop using fossil fuels anytime soon including those to heat and cool his house, or burn in vehicles, including 100LL. Will ya Miley? :)
I guarantee all these celebrities, and rich folks are far left loons, and huge hypocrites.
I walk the walk, quite literally. I’ve told you that I walk to work almost always. If I drive it’s either a motorcycle or a highly efficient car. I would love to have solar panels, the infrastructure here isn’t appropriate to do it. I even fly one of the most efficient airplanes ever made. My Mooney gets better mileage than many if not most of your cars.
What you will never get in your whole life is if I went carbon zero, no emissions, it wouldn’t matter at all. The carbon footprint of one person is too miniscule. The carbon footprint of nations isn’t.
It really doesn’t matter though. Global warming is here, we can’t stop it. You’e leaving you children with a badly broken world. Thank Odin I never had any.
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I walk the walk, quite literally. I’ve told you that I walk to work almost always. If I drive it’s either a motorcycle or a highly efficient car. I would love to have solar panels, the infrastructure here isn’t appropriate to do it. I even fly one of the most efficient airplanes ever made. My Mooney gets better mileage than many if not most of your cars.
What you will never get in your whole life is if I went carbon zero, no emissions, it wouldn’t matter at all. The carbon footprint of one person is too miniscule. The carbon footprint of nations isn’t.
It really doesn’t matter though. Global warming is here, we can’t stop it. You’e leaving you children with a badly broken world. Thank Odin I never had any.
You and people like you are huge HYPOCRTITES. If you really believed you "walk the walk" you'd stop burning 100LL, and using electricity to heat, and cool your home, as well as other things. It is just a big excuse to say one person doesn't matter. You just want to push your beloved all powerful GOVERNMENT onto others. Disgusting.
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I walk the walk, quite literally. I’ve told you that I walk to work almost always. If I drive it’s either a motorcycle or a highly efficient car. I would love to have solar panels, the infrastructure here isn’t appropriate to do it. I even fly one of the most efficient airplanes ever made. My Mooney gets better mileage than many if not most of your cars.
What you will never get in your whole life is if I went carbon zero, no emissions, it wouldn’t matter at all. The carbon footprint of one person is too miniscule. The carbon footprint of nations isn’t.
It really doesn’t matter though. Global warming is here, we can’t stop it. You’e leaving you children with a badly broken world. Thank Odin I never had any.
This bullshit post is nothing but self-congratulatory, virtue signalling, to try and excuse your utter hypocrisy on so many subjects.
Congratulations.
You've exceeded your monthly hypocrisy quotient in one single post.
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This bullshit post is nothing but self-congratulatory, virtue signalling, to try and excuse your utter hypocrisy on so many subjects.
Congratulations.
You've exceeded your monthly hypocrisy quotient in one single post.
And you’ve exceeded your lifetime asshole quotient repeatedly.
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I walk the walk, quite literally. I’ve told you that I walk to work almost always. If I drive it’s either a motorcycle or a highly efficient car. I would love to have solar panels, the infrastructure here isn’t appropriate to do it. I even fly one of the most efficient airplanes ever made. My Mooney gets better mileage than many if not most of your cars.
What you will never get in your whole life is if I went carbon zero, no emissions, it wouldn’t matter at all. The carbon footprint of one person is too miniscule. The carbon footprint of nations isn’t.
It really doesn’t matter though. Global warming is here, we can’t stop it. You’e leaving you children with a badly broken world. Thank Odin I never had any.
Im defending Michael here. This isn’t a movie star flying around in jets and living in a mansion. We live in a society that’s already set up and we do what we have to. I am against Medicare and social security but I’m sure going to maximize my draw. Although I was forced to pay in so that’s a little different. A better example is I don’t believe in free public schools. In an ideal world all schools would be private and they would be affordable because they would not all be elite. Yet I worked for a public school system and will collect a government pension. I guess that makes me a hypocrite. But I do so because it is what it is, it’s the world that is set up and so the world in which I must function and that’s who offered me a job. Same for Michael burning gas or using electricity.
On the other hand, Michael you are wrong to say “we” are leaving our children a broken world. Fossil fuels have brought mankind out of the Stone Age and away from living hand to mouth in the wild with a 30 year lifespan. We are leaving our children much better off for burning carbons. Your viewpoint is upside down. Stop buying the pessimistic drumbeat of the man made climate change lunatics- they are lying to you. The impact of a nation is also miniscule compared to what the sun and earth themselves do to impact climate. The climate changes anyway with or without man and we will adjust accordingly but one thing is very real: the disaster that will befall us if we implement drastic energy reduction policy, including very high prices, starvation and economic collapse.
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And you’ve exceeded your lifetime asshole quotient repeatedly.
When delusions of knowledge and superiority fail to impress, you sure revert to ugly and dumb fast
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On the other hand, Michael you are wrong to say “we” are leaving our children a broken world. Fossil fuels have brought mankind out of the Stone Age and away from living hand to mouth in the wild with a 30 year lifespan. We are leaving our children much better off for burning carbons. Your viewpoint is upside down. Stop buying the pessimistic drumbeat of the man made climate change lunatics- they are lying to you. The impact of a nation is also miniscule compared to what the sun and earth themselves do to impact climate. The climate changes anyway with or without man and we will adjust accordingly but one thing is very real: the disaster that will befall us if we implement drastic energy reduction policy, including very high prices, starvation and economic collapse.
I agree generally, but I think it is fairer to say that fossil fuels have been a mixed blessing. Yes, without them we would still be heating with wood (much of New England still is because of cost), traveling by horse and buggy and sailing ships, and the revolution in technology and medicine that has so lengthened our useful lives would never have happened. But it is not true that the effect of humans on climate due to burning fossil fuels is minuscule... not even the effect of one nation, if that nation is the US or China, though it is of course much smaller than that of all mankind. The exact percentage is not known with great certainty but it is not tiny, it is significant. And yes, if we implement radical changes in policy to reduce our use of fossil fuels, the result will be widespread economic collapse, famine, a return to the dark ages. That is why climate change is a "wicked" problem, as Curry calls it. There are no good options, it is all Sophie's choices, and the consequences of each choice carry risks dependent on unknowns and even unknown unknowns. I happen to think that we should *gradually* wean ourselves off of fossil fuels, invest in building more nuclear power plants and in solar and other "green" sources where practical. The key word is gradually, and letting the market decide which alternatives are most practical. Phasing out fossil fuels will happen anyway in time due to the finite supply; if we exhaust that supply completely before we have practical alternatives in place, the result will be no different than if they were made unavailable by laws enacted by climate fanatics.
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The only reason fossil fuels still dominate here is we subsidize them heavily. Of course, one thing I never understood. They pump oil in most places and the oil belongs to the people. The proceeds go into the national treasury and lower everyone’s taxes. Here it goes into private hands, despite the fact that in truth it belongs to all. Never did get that.
If we just let markets decide fossil fuels still win every time. They’re miraculously dense in energy. Think about it. One gallon of gas will cause a ton’s worth of metal to go 40 miles or so. That’s a lot of energy. The only way to get something more involves the strong and weak nuclear forces.
Moreover, any alternative will involve fossil fuels in its production, so it will likely cost more. Like I said, there really isn’t any point anymore. Seas are getting warmer and they’re rising. They’re going to keep doing that no matter what we do. Thankfully I live inland, so at least I’ll be affected minimally. Peak oil will come, its only a matter of time. I hope it isn’t in my lifetime, with our oil extraction technology I doubt it will be. Between that and climate change it could actually wreak our civilization. Hopefully after I’m safely dead. The die is already cast, we’ve made our choices. All there is now is to ride the ride.
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The reason fossil fuels are popular is that they actually work, are relatively inexpensive, and widely used, and available. The U.S. is now the worlds largest oil produce thanks to Trump's energy policy. We are also now a net exporter of energy.
It is obvious that man made climate change is a hoax and a scam or otherwise I wouldn't be told that the science is settled, and the debate is over. Also, the data being used in many studies was falsified. Fake data, and poor analytical methodology, and assumptions means bad outcomes.
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The only reason fossil fuels still dominate here is we subsidize them heavily.
I've heard this and wanted to educate myself more thoroughly on the subject. It turns out that all the subsidies are normal tax deductions for business expenses.
https://www.fuelfreedom.org/oil-company-subsidies/ has some very good examples, but all their examples relate to oil companies deducting business expenses (like expenses incurred during drilling) on their taxes. Normal operational deductions that are nothing special to oil companies. Just like electric car companies can deduct the expenses of developing their batteries. So for my own education, can you give me an example of a direct cash (or otherwise) payment to oil companies?
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I've heard this and wanted to educate myself more thoroughly on the subject. It turns out that all the subsidies are normal tax deductions for business expenses.
https://www.fuelfreedom.org/oil-company-subsidies/ has some very good examples, but all their examples relate to oil companies deducting business expenses (like expenses incurred during drilling) on their taxes. Normal operational deductions that are nothing special to oil companies. Just like electric car companies can deduct the expenses of developing their batteries. So for my own education, can you give me an example of a direct cash (or otherwise) payment to oil companies?
Gee... with all of mikey’s Supposed IQ it’s odd that he can’t look at the exorbitant taxes levied against fossil fuels at every step of the way and see that he is absolutely full of shit.
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If we just let markets decide fossil fuels still win every time. They’re miraculously dense in energy. Think about it. One gallon of gas will cause a ton’s worth of metal to go 40 miles or so. That’s a lot of energy. The only way to get something more involves the strong and weak nuclear forces.
All true. And the main reason solar has come down so much in price is heavy subsidies, which have led to greater demand, which has led to improved technology. I think some temporary subsidy is necessary to kickstart the process, but should not be continued longer than necessary. But the calculations any carbon tax would be based on necessarily entail unprovable assumptions and amount to a penalty for using an available cheap and efficient fuel.
You haven't mentioned the intermittency problem but that's another issue that has yet to be solved. At this point we're likelier to solve it with batteries before any nuclear plants we start building now come online. But those plants give the most energy for the least land use of any source, and given that demand for energy is going nowhere but up, I think it would be prudent to get the ball rolling there.
Moreover, any alternative will involve fossil fuels in its production, so it will likely cost more. Like I said, there really isn’t any point anymore. Seas are getting warmer and they’re rising. They’re going to keep doing that no matter what we do. Thankfully I live inland, so at least I’ll be affected minimally. Peak oil will come, its only a matter of time. I hope it isn’t in my lifetime, with our oil extraction technology I doubt it will be. Between that and climate change it could actually wreak our civilization. Hopefully after I’m safely dead. The die is already cast, we’ve made our choices. All there is now is to ride the ride.
There is some truth there. The real problem is that we really have no reliable estimate of how bad it is going to get. We have no real handle on how clouds fit into the equation, and without that we have only a very rough idea of the ECS and TCR. If the ECS is on the low end of the uncertainty range, 1.5 C or so, then the ride is going to be a relatively gentle one and we have plenty of time to reduce our GHG emissions before things get too far out of whack. If it's on the high end, say 6 C or more, we're screwed no matter what we do now.
It's ironic, but a very real possibility is that the ECS really IS on the low end and the real looming catastrophe is peak oil not climate change. In that case an imagined crisis could be the incentive for us to avoid a real one, as long as we don't panic and bring about the "peak oil" catastrophe prematurely.
But the likelier outcome is that renewables will only satisfy some of the increasing demand, not reduce our use of fossil fuels (or at least not significantly), and peak oil will come before we are ready. Frankly, that possibility worries me as much as climate change, if not more... even though I, too, will probably be safely dead and buried by then.
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Felicity Huffman has marched for economic equality. Apparently she doesn't believe that should count for her.
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Felicity Huffman has has marched for economic equality. Apparently she doesn't believe that should count for her.
Of course not. She is above being held accountable, just like celebrities that have huge carbon footprints yet travel to man made climate change conferences in G-V's then get in a caravan of SUV's to go to the event.
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I agree generally, but I think it is fairer to say that fossil fuels have been a mixed blessing. Yes, without them we would still be heating with wood (much of New England still is because of cost), traveling by horse and buggy and sailing ships, and the revolution in technology and medicine that has so lengthened our useful lives would never have happened. But it is not true that the effect of humans on climate due to burning fossil fuels is minuscule... not even the effect of one nation, if that nation is the US or China, though it is of course much smaller than that of all mankind. The exact percentage is not known with great certainty but it is not tiny, it is significant. And yes, if we implement radical changes in policy to reduce our use of fossil fuels, the result will be widespread economic collapse, famine, a return to the dark ages. That is why climate change is a "wicked" problem, as Curry calls it. There are no good options, it is all Sophie's choices, and the consequences of each choice carry risks dependent on unknowns and even unknown unknowns. I happen to think that we should *gradually* wean ourselves off of fossil fuels, invest in building more nuclear power plants and in solar and other "green" sources where practical. The key word is gradually, and letting the market decide which alternatives are most practical. Phasing out fossil fuels will happen anyway in time due to the finite supply; if we exhaust that supply completely before we have practical alternatives in place, the result will be no different than if they were made unavailable by laws enacted by climate fanatics.
Agree with this pretty much but as I see it government interference hampers the free market process of finding solutions. You mention nuclear, we should have had a majority of our electricity supplied by nuclear by now but that industry was ruined in the U.S. by the government and the environmentalists. I worked for an electric utility and talked to the accountants and personally dealt with the regulations and discovered exactly why only one of four units at one plant was ever brought online. Nuclear will be the future’s salvation but not until the anti-nuke wackos and the government nannies get the hell out of the way.
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The only reason fossil fuels still dominate here is we subsidize them heavily. Of course, one thing I never understood. They pump oil in most places and the oil belongs to the people. The proceeds go into the national treasury and lower everyone’s taxes. Here it goes into private hands, despite the fact that in truth it belongs to all. Never did get that.
I’m sure you’re just trolling, Ocasio-Steingar, because you can’t be so stupid about this.
Let me know how “the people” are doing in the most oil rich country on the globe. Go ahead, I’m waiting. I visited that beautiful country in the 1990s. Venezuelans were doing well. Now, doctors are doing surgery by flashlight, and people are eating out of garbage trucks. Oh, and if you visit, don’t bring your cat, Fluffy, because “the people” are eating dogs and cats to survive.
I am curious how you lay claim to all of the oil pumping equipment I see in the fields of southern Illinois, Indiana, and even Ohio. Did you pay for the equipment to extract it? Did you discover it? If not, how can “the people” own it?
https://www.forbes.com/sites/rrapier/2017/05/07/how-venezuela-ruined-its-oil-industry/#21482e57399d
The fact is, the government extracts more in taxes than the profits of nearly anyone else in the production stream. Certainly more than the retailer who allows us to pump it into our vehicles.
But go ahead, let me know how we “subsidize” oil.
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Those utter falsehoods make for such comforting lies that lefties tell themselves and anyone dumb enough to believe them
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Heap big lies
(http://www.pilotspin.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3423.0;attach=1021)
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I suppose I think too simply.
The main byproducts of burning oil products, other than heat, is water and CO2. Water, well, that is just fine. And back in grade school, I was taught the miracle of photosynthesis, where green chlorophyll based plants combine water, sunlight, and CO2 to generate food and O2. O2, well, that is just fine as well.
So, if the burning of hydrocarbons drove up CO2 levels, why not would green foliage proliferate and prosper in the higher CO2 levels, absorbing the CO2 and generating O2?
It seems to me that God has given our fine planet a balancing mechanism.
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I suppose I think too simply.
The main byproducts of burning oil products, other than heat, is water and CO2. Water, well, that is just fine. And back in grade school, I was taught the miracle of photosynthesis, where green chlorophyll based plants combine water, sunlight, and CO2 to generate food and O2. O2, well, that is just fine as well.
So, if the burning of hydrocarbons drove up CO2 levels, why not would green foliage proliferate and prosper in the higher CO2 levels, absorbing the CO2 and generating O2?
It seems to me that God has given our fine planet a balancing mechanism.
I also remember from school that cow farts play a large role in harming the environment. So I dedicated my life to remove the threat from cows one steak and burger at a time. But now I'm being told it's morally wrong to eat cows and it is now environmentally bad to eat cows. WTF? No wonder the majority of free thinking people don't but into the MMGW bullshit.
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I suppose I think too simply.
The main byproducts of burning oil products, other than heat, is water and CO2. Water, well, that is just fine. And back in grade school, I was taught the miracle of photosynthesis, where green chlorophyll based plants combine water, sunlight, and CO2 to generate food and O2. O2, well, that is just fine as well.
So, if the burning of hydrocarbons drove up CO2 levels, why not would green foliage proliferate and prosper in the higher CO2 levels, absorbing the CO2 and generating O2?
It seems to me that God has given our fine planet a balancing mechanism.
Exactly. For people to claim to believe that humans are the primary direct negative influencer in climate somehow ignore the current God-given balance and oh, that giant ball of fire and energy 92 million miles away from this sphere that might have a say in the matter.
Where I’m sitting right now in the Kettle Moraine area of Wisconsin there was a glacier a mere 7,500 - 25,000 years ago. At that time sea levels were so low that animals could cross a land bridge from Siberia to North America. Glacier retreat created the Great Lakes, depositing a quadrillion gallons of water in Lake Michigan alone.
But of course, my Ford F-150 is going to make us all die in 12 years, at least according to AOC and of course useful idiots like Ocasio-Steingar.
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I also remember from school that cow farts play a large role in harming the environment. So I dedicated my life to remove the threat from cows one steak and burger at a time. But now I'm being told it's morally wrong to eat cows and it is now environmentally bad to eat cows. WTF? No wonder the majority of free thinking people don't but into the MMGW bullshit.
I’m with you. Let’s do this. Steak for dinner!
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I’m with you. Let’s do this. Steak for dinner!
I just lost 8 pounds going keto, and now I think I'll go full on carnivore. I'm in!
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I just lost 8 pounds going keto, and now I think I'll go full on carnivore. I'm in!
Saving the planet one cow at a time!
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Looks like Stanford either expelled a student admitted under the admissions bribery scandal or rescinded a student’s admission to the school. (Typical careless language of today’s media stenographers.)
https://www.foxnews.com/us/stanford-university-expels-student-after-fake-sailing-credentials-in-application-exposed-in-admissions-bribery-scandal.amp
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Add something - why hasn’t solar taken off? Because we cannot economically build solar cells in the US. The current solar industry literally depends on other countries poisoning themselves in a ays we do not allow in the US. If they operated according to US production rules, we could not afford to buy their solar panels.
So the US really is losing out here. All the production knowledge...and all the production pollution...is anywhere other than here.