Post by: Lucifer on June 12, 2019, 05:42:54 PM
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House Speaker Nancy Pelosi was the leader, nay, the face of the Democratic Party. Now, she is only so in name. Her speakership is, at this point, a title with less authority than “professor emeritus” at a small state school.
I think her instincts as to how to approach Trump are correct: Moderate the party, appeal to the middle, and try to pull the American public back to your side. This instinct, naturally, means that calling for impeachment, full-on socialism, and other radically leftist ideas need to be locked away until the party is back in power.
That instinct, however, also puts her at odds with the loudest parts of the party’s base, and it’s that base the rest of the Democrats in Congress appear to be appealing to. You have Eric “Who? Wait, that guy? He’s still running?” Swalwell calling for not only President Donald Trump’s impeachment but Attorney General William Barr’s as well. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is out there spewing whatever she can – no matter how little she knows about a subject, and Bernie Sanders is using his Democratic Socialism as the centerpiece of his “I’m not Trump” campaign.
It’s so bad that Joe Biden, who appeared to be going for the more centrist but progressive-leaning candidate and probably the one candidate most in-line with Pelosi’s philosophy, went back on a position he’s held for decades – supporting the Hyde Amendment – just because Alyssa Milano told him to.
The Pelosi wing of the Democratic Party is shrinking, which… should really concern the Democrats, because they are now giving in totally to their baser instincts.
Post by: Rush on June 13, 2019, 05:38:06 AM
Post by: Lucifer on June 13, 2019, 05:44:58 AM
I can’t figure out if this is good or bad for the country. If the Dems are taken over by the nutbucket left, and they come to power, we are thoroughly and totally fucked. On the other hand maybe enough Democrats are still not so brainwashed by utopian bullshit that they will reject the radicalization of their party and “walk away”.
The alt left radical progressives that have hijacked the democrat party aren't that large of a group, nor do they have that large of a following. What they do have is a complicit media willing to be their bully pullpit and promote their narrative.
Weak leadership in the DNC is also helping their cause. It's my opinion all of this will equal many moderate democrats sitting out the 2020 election.
Post by: Anthony on June 13, 2019, 05:47:02 AM
I can’t figure out if this is good or bad for the country. If the Dems are taken over by the nutbucket left, and they come to power, we are thoroughly and totally fucked. On the other hand maybe enough Democrats are still not so brainwashed by utopian bullshit that they will reject the radicalization of their party and “walk away”.
I think the Democrats are more, and more reflecting mainstream Democrats which are now Far Left Utopianists. They've never faced real adversity, and they have the time and money to want Socialism, Gun bans and confiscation, and huge Climate Change taxes, and higher product/services costs all around. Yes we are fucked.
Post by: Lucifer on June 13, 2019, 06:00:50 AM
I think the Democrats are more, and more reflecting mainstream Democrats which are now Far Left Utopianists. They've never faced real adversity, and they have the time and money to want Socialism, Gun bans and confiscation, and huge Climate Change taxes, and higher product/services costs all around. Yes we are fucked.
I don't believe the rust belt moderate democrats are buying into the "we need socialism" mantra of the leftist. What I do believe are the coastal elitist and the millennials that are buying it. It's all about attracting votes. Even Creepy Joe Biden promised to cure cancer if he gets elected.
Tell them anything and everything to get a vote. Tell them crap that has no chance of happening.
The leftist really really hate Trump because he is following through on what he campaigned for. This is very dangerous to the leftist progressive agenda. Trump has pretty much wiped BHO's legacy off the map. American's are getting a taste of having a real, working President who takes America's side rather than appeasing the globalist, a President who doesn't come from the DC elitist club. A President Trump may inspire other entrepreneurs to seek high office, and that is a big no way from the leftist and DC elites.
Post by: Anthony on June 13, 2019, 06:56:49 AM
Post by: Rush on June 13, 2019, 07:45:26 AM
It's not just the Coastal Elites, however they alone could control the politics of the country, especially if the EC is eliminated. It is the Metro Areas in every state that has one or more large cities. These are the base of the Dems, not the rust belt people that actually work. The game changer has been al the suburbs going Democrat. This is huge as these areas have grown tremendously. They represent large swaths of population.
You keep saying this over and over, and I keep saying, if only blacks would flip the country would be saved. We are both correct.
I'm trying to do my share. I had a taxi driver a couple weeks ago who was black, who took me to and from the airport, an hour each way. Two hours total in the car together, we talked about all sorts of stuff but carefully avoided who we voted for in 2016 or the subject of Trump. I did tell him I am a Libertarian. I gathered he is a Democrat and listens to mainstream media. He was in his 50s, a father of teenagers, and works very hard for a living. Definitely not a radical leftist. We talked about issues such as abortion, the drug war, poverty and economics. His views were definitely centric, not far left or far right. But here's the thing, he stated that he is a lifelong learner, and that he reads book after book on any number of topics. We talked about the plight of inner city blacks, and so I mentioned something Thomas Sowell had said. He'd never heard of Sowell so I told him he is an economist and happens to be conservative. He said he would look him up and repeated the spelling of his last name so he wouldn't forget it.
Here's what I think about him and many people like him (of any race). They are not radical, they are more or less moderate, and they comprise the majority of the nation. This guy is very smart, and if he just gets a hold of the right information that isn't mainstream media propaganda, I think there is a good chance he could flip. He owns his own taxi business, he is a small businessman. He is moral. By nature he belongs on the Republican/Libertarian side, not today's communist Democrat. But the country is so split there isn't much cross communication, and he doesn't have automatic access to conservative/libertarian ideas. But if he reads a single Thomas Sowell book, it might be an epiphany for him.
Post by: Anthony on June 13, 2019, 07:56:03 AM
Sorry I keep repeating the urban/suburban mantra. I know it's redundant, but I do think it is a major factor.
Post by: Lucifer on June 13, 2019, 08:44:22 AM
2016 was a prime example of messaging. Felonious Pantsuits had no message, well except "It's my turn". Trump had a message and he stayed on message, plus he campaigned very aggressively. Felonious didn't want to bother with a national campaign, I mean, after all, it was rigged and there was no way she could lose.
I've asked this before on the board, and never got much of an answer, "What is the message that will win the democrats the 2020 election?" So far nothing the dims are pushing are really gaining traction.
Post by: Rush on June 13, 2019, 09:16:41 AM
I don't think any of the traditional Democrat voting blocks will flip. Blacks, Jews, Urbanites, affluent women, Union workers, government workers, etc. I think a few may defect, but not in the numbers the Republicans need to win. Add the ILLEGALS, and the younger people (Millennials, etc) who've been indoctrinated by Education, Entertainment, and the Media, and I am not optimistic.
Sorry I keep repeating the urban/suburban mantra. I know it's redundant, but I do think it is a major factor.
I'm not complaining that you keep repeating it. I repeat stuff too. :) I'm not sure I agree about blacks not flipping. They've done it before. They used to be mostly Republican. Well I agree they won't in time for 2020, but I am hoping within the next decade they might. I know it's a hard uphill battle as long as the media is nothing but a leftist megaphone.
We desperately need real journalism back.
Post by: Lucifer on June 13, 2019, 09:27:28 AM
We desperately need real journalism back.
We're not going to see that. The MSM is nothing more than the communication sector of the leftist. And their agenda is propaganda. If Goebbels was alive he would be down right envious of the MSM.
And we now have big tech attempting to control information via the internet. George Orwell nailed it.
Post by: bflynn on June 13, 2019, 12:54:56 PM
. On the other hand maybe enough Democrats are still not so brainwashed by utopian bullshit that they will reject the radicalization of their party and “walk away”.
Democrat politicians don't do that. They are selected for party loyalty. Any Democrat that goes against the party is likely to find themselves expelled from Congress so a loyal replacement can be selected. It takes 2/3, but the Dems will invent charges in such a way that it will be an nearly unanimous expulsion.
Post by: Little Joe on June 13, 2019, 01:55:13 PM
Parts of it were funny as well as nostalgic. They had some of the old cast and did some skits that were similar to the old show.
But first I noticed that the language was peppered with "FUCK" (ing, er, ed etc). The original show didn't need to resort to that, although that doesn't personally offend me.
But the show was filled with Trump insults. The kicker that made me turn it off was when they presented the "Fickle Finger of Fate" award (remember that) to "That whiny little bitch, TRUMP).
Post by: Anthony on June 13, 2019, 01:58:29 PM
Not necessarily germane to this thread, but Leslie were in a hotel room last night. It was raining so we watched "Still Laugh In" on Netflix.
Parts of it were funny as well as nostalgic. They had some of the old cast and did some skits that were similar to the old show.
But first I noticed that the language was peppered with "FUCK" (ing, er, ed etc). The original show didn't need to resort to that, although that doesn't personally offend me.
But the show was filled with Trump insults. The kicker that made me turn it off was when they presented the "Fickle Finger of Fate" award (remember that) to "That whiny little bitch, TRUMP).
Sad. The original Laugh In, like Carson and others who would poke fun at politicians was much different. I liked the original Laugh In as a little kid, and thought when the had people like Nixon and John Wayne on was hilarious. Nixon saying "Sock it to me" was effing hilarious.
Post by: Rush on June 13, 2019, 04:01:54 PM
Democrat politicians don't do that. They are selected for party loyalty. Any Democrat that goes against the party is likely to find themselves expelled from Congress so a loyal replacement can be selected. It takes 2/3, but the Dems will invent charges in such a way that it will be an nearly unanimous expulsion.
Agree but I was actually talking about the voters, not the politicians.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on June 13, 2019, 04:40:36 PM
I've asked this before on the board, and never got much of an answer, "What is the message that will win the democrats the 2020 election?" So far nothing the dims are pushing are really gaining traction.
I could be wrong, but I don’t think Dem voters require a message, just the “feeling” that they’re compassionate, guilty of privilege, ashamed of America, possessed of a penchant for socialism, and obsessed with everyone (except conservatives) feeling accepted and included.
They get all that by voting D.
Until the D loses the feelz payback, people will keep it going.
Post by: Little Joe on June 13, 2019, 04:44:52 PM
I've asked this before on the board, and never got much of an answer, "What is the message that will win the democrats the 2020 election?"
I'm not Trump. That will be all they need unless the MSM starts printing the truth.
Post by: Anthony on June 13, 2019, 05:17:56 PM
I'm not Trump. That will be all they need unless the MSM starts printing the truth.
Say Trump wins in 2020. Are we just delaying the inevitable? There is such a push from Education, Media, Entertainment, Government, Corporate America to turn Far Far Left. I know I keep repeating this Rush. All my ex-wives have told me that. :)
Post by: Rush on June 13, 2019, 07:12:50 PM
Say Trump wins in 2020. Are we just delaying the inevitable? There is such a push from Education, Media, Entertainment, Government, Corporate America to turn Far Far Left. I know I keep repeating this Rush. All my ex-wives have told me that. :)
I'm wondering that myself. Yes I do think it is inevitable.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on June 13, 2019, 07:14:12 PM
Say Trump wins in 2020. Are we just delaying the inevitable? There is such a push from Education, Media, Entertainment, Government, Corporate America to turn Far Far Left. I know I keep repeating this Rush. All my ex-wives have told me that. :)I’m reassured that even if the evil Dems take over, in 600 years or so we can get it all back. It happened in Spain back in the day, and in various other parts of the world. Or there may be another miracle, like with the Battle of Lepanto. Let’s face it, Trump was a miracle.
Post by: Anthony on June 14, 2019, 03:00:15 AM
I'm wondering that myself. Yes I do think it is inevitable.
I hate to be a Debbie Downer (not in a Trans way, lol!) as I am normally a very optimistic person, or I wouldn't get out of bed every day. Our only hope is that the youth of America formulate a backlash where they reject things like Socialism, Glorifying LGBT as Normal or actually preferred, a "hate America" mantra, Man causes Climate Change, and being riddled with guilt for having "White Privilege".
Right now they think all those things are cool, and trendy, and like lemmings gravitate towards that. They are the product of in your face indoctrination and brainwashing by all the institutions in the U.S. and world for that matter. We have to make traditional American values cool again.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on June 14, 2019, 03:40:31 AM
Indeed there is a historical ebb and flow and we happen to be living during an obvious shift. It seems tectonic as we watch it growing but remember there are forces opposing it, too. Young people in the main want to be different from their parents and take the polar opposite stance from them on values until they begin to experience the blowback from unworkable ones.
Focus on sexuality as an identity may be trendy but it doesn’t play well for long-term happiness. This will become obvious over time and the trend likely will recede into a murmur as it was before.
GEOTUS* Trump is making American values cool again ... Gen X is busy making YouTube videos wearing their MAGA hats and lambasting Dems. Gen X sees that its future is at stake!
*God Emperor of the United States ;)
Post by: Username on June 14, 2019, 09:47:07 AM
Post by: Lucifer on June 14, 2019, 09:53:42 AM
Even now, do we really know why we're in Afghanistan?
Military Industrial Complex.
Afghanistan is a gold mine for military contracts. Since it's beginning the US has spent in excess of $1 trillion. These contractors reward their owned congressmen and senators very well to keep the conflict alive and well.
The current situation in Iran has the MIC giddy with the prospects of another prolonged and bogged down conflict to reap the rewards from.
Post by: Anthony on June 14, 2019, 12:41:18 PM
Military Industrial Complex.
Afghanistan is a gold mine for military contracts. Since it's beginning the US has spent in excess of $1 trillion. These contractors reward their owned congressmen and senators very well to keep the conflict alive and well.
The current situation in Iran has the MIC giddy with the prospects of another prolonged and bogged down conflict to reap the rewards from.
Yep. I saw it from the inside as a third party vendor to a large Defense Contractor. Mostly ex Navy and a few ex Air Force brass. Hi up brass. It was common to see a lot of stars on shoulders and lapels in the elevator yucking it up with each other giddy for that next new thing the were getting from their buddies that used to be Admirals and Generals.
We don't need to be in a lot of wars we are in, and a lot of countries we are in.
Post by: Lucifer on June 14, 2019, 12:56:20 PM
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on June 14, 2019, 04:32:55 PM
Beyond that, within a couple of generations the Muslims will take it all over anyhow. The actually reproduce at a good clip while we do not. Pure numbers will do the trick for them.
Post by: Rush on June 14, 2019, 04:41:11 PM
It is all over. The Democrats and the media will find a way to keep Democrats in power. Once they get the WH again it is highly unlikley they will give it. If that doesn't finish us off, the continually rising debt will do the trick. There is no movement from either party to stem the flow of red ink.
Beyond that, within a couple of generations the Muslims will take it all over anyhow. The actually reproduce at a good clip while we do not. Pure numbers will do the trick for them.
We need a major war, and not to profit the MIC.
Post by: bflynn on June 16, 2019, 07:51:47 AM
I hate to be a Debbie Downer (not in a Trans way, lol!)
Wait...parsing this, then you DO want to be a Debbie Downer in a trans way? ;)
I don’t think that’s right, but that is what you wrote. ;D
Yes, I can be a smart as.
Post by: Anthony on June 16, 2019, 08:09:53 AM
Wait...parsing this, then you DO want to be a Debbie Downer in a trans way? ;)
I don’t think that’s right, but that is what you wrote. ;D
Yes, I can be a smart as.
I am flattered that you parse my words so closely, but yes I do want to be Trans. That's why I wrote it. You've found me out.
Post by: nddons on June 16, 2019, 02:31:51 PM
Wait...parsing this, then you DO want to be a Debbie Downer in a trans way? ;)I think Anthony meant that he wanted a Trans Am.
I don’t think that’s right, but that is what you wrote. ;D
Yes, I can be a smart as.
Hmmm. If Pontiac still made the Trans Am would it come in rainbow paint?
Post by: Anthony on June 16, 2019, 02:45:44 PM
I think Anthony meant that he wanted a Trans Am.
Hmmm. If Pontiac still made the Trans Am would it come in rainbow paint?
LOL! Yeah that's it, but if you're giving out cars I'll take a 68 or 69 Camaro SS, or Mustang GT350 Shelby Cobra!
Post by: nddons on June 16, 2019, 03:13:48 PM
LOL! Yeah that it, but if you're giving out cars I'll take a 68 or 69 Camaro SS, or Mustang GT350 Shelby Cobra!Ah, back when muscle cars meant muscle cars, and not these 4-banger Hondas with loud mufflers.
Post by: asechrest on June 18, 2019, 11:30:07 AM
Ah, back when muscle cars meant muscle cars, and not these 4-banger Hondas with loud mufflers.
My favorite is the F-150s with fake engine noise piped through the speakers. Vroom!