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Title: Cursive writing
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on July 08, 2019, 05:07:21 AM
while reading an article about cursive writing being a generational divide, I'm wondering how teenagers and young adults write checks?

Do they even use a checkbook anymore?

Title: Re: Cursive writing
Post by: Anthony on July 08, 2019, 05:17:44 AM
How do they sign their name?  Do they print it?  When I grew up we called Cursive "writing" and printing, printing.  When I took Russian in college I had to learn two alphabets as their cursive is totally different from the printed letters.

Yes, it is a generational divide. 
Title: Re: Cursive writing
Post by: Number7 on July 08, 2019, 05:20:52 AM
What it is really, is our secret code.
The kids can’t read our messages because writing is a foreign language to them now.
Title: Re: Cursive writing
Post by: Rush on July 08, 2019, 05:48:06 AM
They don’t sign their name. They use “DigiSign” on the internet and remotely sign legal documents by pressing a button. They can choose the font in which their signature will appear, thus making it identical to millions of other people’s handwriting and hence their signature as a unique identifier is meaningless.
Title: Re: Cursive writing
Post by: Anthony on July 08, 2019, 06:04:55 AM
They don’t sign their name. They use “DigiSign” on the internet and remotely sign legal documents by pressing a button. They can choose the font in which their signature will appear, thus making it identical to millions of other people’s handwriting and hence their signature as a unique identifier is meaningless.

Thanks Rush.  I am so out of touch as I don't have kids.  It is so weird for me to be around kids today, especially teenagers as I see them so focused on their I Phones that it "weirds me out".  Yes, some adults are like that too, but teens are OBSESSED with their phones to the detriment of their social, and interpersonal skills. 
Title: Re: Cursive writing
Post by: Steingar on July 08, 2019, 06:49:34 AM
Thanks Rush.  I am so out of touch as I don't have kids.  It is so weird for me to be around kids today, especially teenagers as I see them so focused on their I Phones that it "weirds me out".  Yes, some adults are like that too, but teens are OBSESSED with their phones to the detriment of their social, and interpersonal skills.
I suspect I interact with more young people than anyone reading this, and I am happy to tell you the social and interpersonal skills of today's youth seems intact.
Title: Re: Cursive writing
Post by: Lucifer on July 08, 2019, 06:54:22 AM
How do they sign their name?  Do they print it?  When I grew up we called Cursive "writing" and printing, printing.  When I took Russian in college I had to learn two alphabets as their cursive is totally different from the printed letters.

Yes, it is a generational divide.

 Hmmmmmmm..........   Where were you during the 2016 election, and who did you have contact with?
Title: Re: Cursive writing
Post by: Anthony on July 08, 2019, 06:59:18 AM
Hmmmmmmm..........   Where were you during the 2016 election, and who did you have contact with?

I was hacking Voting Machines, that aren't even run by a microprocessors, nor connected to the internet so it was a pretty nifty trick. 

Seriously, I only took Russian because a language was required to graduate, and I was sick of Spanish.  My school actually required a core curriculum that everyone had to have science, math, humanities and a language.  Oh, the horror!  I quickly forgot the Russian after the final exam.  :)
Title: Re: Cursive writing
Post by: NippleBoy on July 08, 2019, 07:23:06 AM
When I was a wee lad, I was going to a school that taught cursive in the 3rd grade. I was rather eager to learn it. Unfortunately, in late September of the 3rd grade, we moved and I started attending a school that taught cursive in the 2nd grade. The teachers did not seem to care that I had never been taught cursive, yet they still insisted that assignments be done in cursive.

I eventually bought a self learning book on cursive after a few months with my lunch money. Although I did eventually learn by using that book, it never came naturally. My grades for the next several years suffered as a result. It wasn't until high school that I could turn in assignments that were written with print.

All that being said, I could care less if the younger generation learns cursive or not. Although learning a signature, as we older folks think of it, may be problematic without that knowledge. Perhaps we can simple go with "making our mark" on the paper.

As far as checks, like most folks, I rarely write them anymore. When I do now, as when I did years ago, I print everything except my signature.
Title: Re: Cursive writing
Post by: Rush on July 08, 2019, 07:38:05 AM
I was hacking Voting Machines, that aren't even run by a microprocessors, nor connected to the internet so it was a pretty nifty trick. 

Seriously, I only took Russian because a language was required to graduate, and I was sick of Spanish.  My school actually required a core curriculum that everyone had to have science, math, humanities and a language.  Oh, the horror!  I quickly forgot the Russian after the final exam.  :)

I took one semester of Russian.  I took 4 years of French and 2 or 3 of German and can speak and understand some of those two to this day.  I did not take Spanish simply because everyone else was and I don't do the herd.  Now I wish I had taken Spanish, I would have tons of opportunity to use it, and very little opportunity to use French or German.  I did use my Russian however to ensure Trump won in 2016.
Title: Re: Cursive writing
Post by: Rush on July 08, 2019, 07:40:42 AM
When I was a wee lad, I was going to a school that taught cursive in the 3rd grade. I was rather eager to learn it. Unfortunately, in late September of the 3rd grade, we moved and I started attending a school that taught cursive in the 2nd grade. The teachers did not seem to care that I had never been taught cursive, yet they still insisted that assignments be done in cursive.

I eventually bought a self learning book on cursive after a few months with my lunch money. Although I did eventually learn by using that book, it never came naturally. My grades for the next several years suffered as a result. It wasn't until high school that I could turn in assignments that were written with print.

All that being said, I could care less if the younger generation learns cursive or not. Although learning a signature, as we older folks think of it, may be problematic without that knowledge. Perhaps we can simple go with "making our mark" on the paper.

As far as checks, like most folks, I rarely write them anymore. When I do now, as when I did years ago, I print everything except my signature.

Something similar happened to my husband and he never got good with cursive. His signature is an unintelligible scrawl that puts doctors' handwriting to shame.
Title: Re: Cursive writing
Post by: Anthony on July 08, 2019, 08:06:00 AM
I suspect I interact with more young people than anyone reading this, and I am happy to tell you the social and interpersonal skills of today's youth seems intact.

I'm sure you do, but that is in a role where they must be on their best behavior or potentially suffer poorer grades.  I don't see how their interpersonal skills can be good seeing that 95% of their interaction is through technology and social media.  Their parents allow it as they just don't want to be bothered.  They have a built in baby sitter.  Schools allow the use of phones also. 
Title: Re: Cursive writing
Post by: Number7 on July 08, 2019, 08:27:04 AM
I suspect I interact with more young people than anyone reading this, and I am happy to tell you the social and interpersonal skills of today's youth seems intact.

What makes you so certain, other than your ego?

There is often  a huge gap between what you think of yourself and what the rest of the world thinks
Title: Re: Cursive writing
Post by: Old Crow on July 08, 2019, 10:29:13 AM
  I did use my Russian however to ensure Trump won in 2016.
Thank you THANK YOU!!!  ;D
Title: Re: Cursive writing
Post by: Rush on July 09, 2019, 07:12:18 AM
I suspect I interact with more young people than anyone reading this, and I am happy to tell you the social and interpersonal skills of today's youth seems intact.

I am interested in your reaction to this video.  It's long, so skip to about 8:00. He says students are flooding college campus mental health centers. There is a big increase in reports of anxiety and depression. He goes on to say it's particularly acute among females and they are beginning to do things like cut themselves way younger than they used to, and he believes spending time on social media has something to do with it.  You may be right in your perception on interpersonal skills, but the problem may be depression and anxiety, not interrelating, and there may be no change you're seeing among male students.

He has a chart showing "life experiences" in the young today.  It has drastically declined, meaning, they are much older now than in the past when they first experience things like a job, or getting a driver's license.

About 20:00 you see how deeply polarized we are by party now compared to 1994.  He points out that our democracy cannot survive if we remain this divided.

I have attached a snapshot of the titular three ideas (myths) that are damaging us now.  I myself haven't watched the whole thing, it's too long and I've got to get back to work.


Title: Re: Cursive writing
Post by: nddons on July 09, 2019, 10:16:34 AM
I am interested in your reaction to this video.  It's long, so skip to about 8:00. He says students are flooding college campus mental health centers. There is a big increase in reports of anxiety and depression. He goes on to say it's particularly acute among females and they are beginning to do things like cut themselves way younger than they used to, and he believes spending time on social media has something to do with it.  You may be right in your perception on interpersonal skills, but the problem may be depression and anxiety, not interrelating, and there may be no change you're seeing among male students.

He has a chart showing "life experiences" in the young today.  It has drastically declined, meaning, they are much older now than in the past when they first experience things like a job, or getting a driver's license.

About 20:00 you see how deeply polarized we are by party now compared to 1994.  He points out that our democracy cannot survive if we remain this divided.

I have attached a snapshot of the titular three ideas (myths) that are damaging us now.  I myself haven't watched the whole thing, it's too long and I've got to get back to work.


Colleges have their own mental health centers?  Yikes.  I did my undergrad at a small midwestern college. They had a health center, but it was typically used for athletic physicals, athletic injuries, allergy shots, flu, mono, and the occasional penicillin shot. 

Anything more serious and you were sent to a local specialist or hospital. 

I know very little about mental health issues, but I wonder if those centers are taking care of people who should really be talking to guidance counselors, friends, and parents instead of psychologists.  With young boys being medicated because they act like young boys, no wonder everything seems to be elevated to a “mental health issue.”
Title: Re: Cursive writing
Post by: Rush on July 09, 2019, 10:51:15 AM
Colleges have their own mental health centers?  Yikes.  I did my undergrad at a small midwestern college. They had a health center, but it was typically used for athletic physicals, athletic injuries, allergy shots, flu, mono, and the occasional penicillin shot. 

Anything more serious and you were sent to a local specialist or hospital. 

I know very little about mental health issues, but I wonder if those centers are taking care of people who should really be talking to guidance counselors, friends, and parents instead of psychologists.  With young boys being medicated because they act like young boys, no wonder everything seems to be elevated to a “mental health issue.”

Yes they have mental health centers now, and guess what is behind it? School shootings. Universities have started "mental health programs" as a way to potentially identify anyone likely to go postal. That is the main driver or at least was at first. This is also behind the new requirement that students have to document they have health insurance, including psychological coverage.

Of course this will do absolutely nothing to prevent school shootings. But it helps cover their butts from liability.
Title: Re: Cursive writing
Post by: Number7 on July 09, 2019, 12:10:51 PM
They can lie all they want but uni mental health centers are little more than a growing revenue device.

Making victims out of snowflakes is big business for stupid people and the weak minded
Title: Re: Cursive writing
Post by: Rush on July 09, 2019, 01:45:43 PM
They can lie all they want but uni mental health centers are little more than a growing revenue device.

Making victims out of snowflakes is big business for stupid people and the weak minded

When I was living on campus as a freshman I got the flu and they admitted me to the infirmary. It was actually a good thing, to isolate someone contagious who otherwise would be spreading germs in the dorm. It was quiet; I could sleep and they brought me meals and otherwise cared for me like Mom would. "Free" to me. (Included in my tuition.) That kind of on-campus medical care I have no problem with.

But specialized care like psychological counseling I agree, seems like they're just expanding justification for higher tuition, so you're paying for services you don't benefit from (unlike keeping contagious students away from you).


Title: Re: Cursive writing
Post by: Number7 on July 09, 2019, 03:03:15 PM
https://www.studyfinds.org/study-psychiatric-diagnoses-are-scientifically-meaningless/

Here is a study I can understand. The vast majority of psychology is nothing more than egotistical bullshit, babbled by intellectual midgets, intent on feeling superior to others.
 
Read about the lack of factual basis in the vast majority of diagnosis of mental disorders.

It’s all about the money,
Title: Re: Cursive writing
Post by: Mase on July 09, 2019, 07:31:18 PM
https://www.studyfinds.org/study-psychiatric-diagnoses-are-scientifically-meaningless/

Here is a study I can understand. The vast majority of psychology is nothing more than egotistical bullshit, babbled by intellectual midgets, intent on feeling superior to others.
 
Read about the lack of factual basis in the vast majority of diagnosis of mental disorders.

It’s all about the money,

Does the FAA know about this?
Title: Re: Cursive writing
Post by: Jim Logajan on July 10, 2019, 11:33:21 AM
They don’t sign their name. They use “DigiSign” on the internet and remotely sign legal documents by pressing a button. They can choose the font in which their signature will appear, thus making it identical to millions of other people’s handwriting and hence their signature as a unique identifier is meaningless.

I was curious about the subject and read up on signatures a few years ago (lots of sites with info by searching "what is a legal signature.) It appears uniqueness in signatures has never been a rigorous requirement, since an X could be used on some contracts. See for example this discussion on legally binding signatures: https://www.upcounsel.com/legally-binding-signature (https://www.upcounsel.com/legally-binding-signature)

Most of the documents (such as counteroffers) we executed during the sale of our house were digitally signed using DigiSign. The exceptions were a couple of documents that were required to be notarized at closing.
Title: Re: Cursive writing
Post by: azure on July 11, 2019, 05:17:02 AM
When I was living on campus as a freshman I got the flu and they admitted me to the infirmary. It was actually a good thing, to isolate someone contagious who otherwise would be spreading germs in the dorm. It was quiet; I could sleep and they brought me meals and otherwise cared for me like Mom would. "Free" to me. (Included in my tuition.) That kind of on-campus medical care I have no problem with.

But specialized care like psychological counseling I agree, seems like they're just expanding justification for higher tuition, so you're paying for services you don't benefit from (unlike keeping contagious students away from you).

This probably varies quite a bit depending on the size of the school. We certainly have counselors, and a couple of offices that help students manage academic and other stresses. We also have an infirmary that mostly handles the things you mention, contagious infections, injuries (especially head injuries causing concussions, a surprisingly common event it seems). But as far as I know we don't have a mental health center, at least I've never seen it advertised if it exists.

But we're small (under 3000 students), and private. Quite expensive already too, so I suspect some things just aren't within what the university can afford to offer without raising tuition beyond what their business model can support.
Title: Re: Cursive writing
Post by: Anthony on July 11, 2019, 05:23:54 AM
I blame "Lawn Mower" parents or what is now being called snow blower, and snow plow parenting.  Clear ALL OBASTACLES from the child's path so they have NO adversity.  Sounds kind, right?  No.  They child does not learn how to COPE, overcome obstacles, deal with others and be creative.  It stifles thought. 

Then they get to college, can't deal with things, and cry "I'm depressed", or "I have anxiety".  Ridiculous.  Some resort to Pot to calm themselves, which has been normalized by society, and often legal.
Title: Re: Cursive writing
Post by: Rush on July 11, 2019, 05:27:24 AM
I blame "Lawn Mower" parents or what is now being called snow blower, and snow plow parenting.  Clear ALL OBASTACLES from the child's path so they have NO adversity.  Sounds kind, right?  No.  They child does not learn how to COPE, overcome obstacles, deal with others and be creative.  It stifles thought. 

Then they get to college, can't deal with things, and cry "I'm depressed", or "I have anxiety".  Ridiculous.  Some resort to Pot to calm themselves, which has been normalized by society, and often legal.

Or the parents already got them on Ritalin.
Title: Re: Cursive writing
Post by: Anthony on July 11, 2019, 05:30:14 AM
Or the parents already got them on Ritalin.

Yes!  Mostly Boys for "acting up".  Essentially being Boys, so drug them, make them dumb, and quiet.  Don't encourage "Boy Power", nor "Empower" them, as they already have too many advantages in society. 
Title: Re: Cursive writing
Post by: nddons on July 11, 2019, 11:13:47 AM
Yes!  Mostly Boys for "acting up".  Essentially being Boys, so drug them, make them dumb, and quiet.  Don't encourage "Boy Power", nor "Empower" them, as they already have too many advantages in society.
Ritalin is the detoxification medicine to cure “toxic masculinity.”  The hideousness of this is that it is ubiquitous in grade schools where they can nip masculinity in the bud even before puberty.
Title: Re: Cursive writing
Post by: jb1842 on July 11, 2019, 12:22:26 PM
13 weeks at Parris Island, SC would be a great way to fix the snow flake problem before they get to college. Nothing like working out problems and emotions with endless pushups in the sand pit, and smoke sessions on the quarterdeck before lights out.
Title: Re: Cursive writing
Post by: nddons on July 11, 2019, 01:05:10 PM
13 weeks at Parris Island, SC would be a great way to fix the snow flake problem before they get to college. Nothing like working out problems and emotions with endless pushups in the sand pit, and smoke sessions on the quarterdeck before lights out.
I fear the feminization or at least demasculinization of young boys is creating males who can’t do push-ups.
Title: Re: Cursive writing
Post by: jb1842 on July 11, 2019, 01:09:07 PM
I fear the feminization or at least demasculinization of young boys is creating males who can’t do push-ups.

They'll show them how.