Post by: Number7 on July 15, 2019, 07:41:53 PM
Why do leftists feel free to attack us with no holds barred but whine like titty bitches the moment someone talks back? If I had a quarter for every time a lefty attacked the rest of us I’d be richer than Trump, but snap back and watch the pathetic cowards retreat into uncontrolled anger.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/aoc-other-congresswomen-hold-news-conference-answer-trump-attacks-n1030141
If the left were any more cowardly, they would be all be whiny, spoiled, women... oh wait...
Post by: Number7 on July 15, 2019, 07:45:48 PM
AND sexist.
Post by: bflynn on July 15, 2019, 07:52:51 PM
Post by: Anthony on July 16, 2019, 03:11:00 AM
Post by: Steingar on July 16, 2019, 05:45:45 AM
Post by: azure on July 16, 2019, 05:57:05 AM
They are playing the victim card because big scary orange man was a meany.
Sort of. They are playing the victim card because they can - and because Trump really outdid himself this time and gave them something they can actually run with and use to their advantage.
I've said Trump's presidency is a mixture of good and bad, and now, it seems, ugly. If his impulse control is as bad as it seems, then Trump needs a fucking handler and he needs to stay off Twitter.
Post by: Anthony on July 16, 2019, 06:10:24 AM
Sort of. They are playing the victim card because they can - and because Trump really outdid himself this time and gave them something they can actually run with and use to their advantage.
I've said Trump's presidency is a mixture of good and bad, and now, it seems, ugly. If his impulse control is as bad as it seems, then Trump needs a fucking handler and he needs to stay off Twitter.
What did Trump say that was ugly and racist, specifically? He called them out for the policy positions for being anti American. I don't consider telling someone they can leave and go make another country better then come back as racist.
Post by: Rush on July 16, 2019, 06:32:23 AM
Sort of. They are playing the victim card because they can - and because Trump really outdid himself this time and gave them something they can actually run with and use to their advantage.
I've said Trump's presidency is a mixture of good and bad, and now, it seems, ugly. If his impulse control is as bad as it seems, then Trump needs a fucking handler and he needs to stay off Twitter.
Anthony beat me to it. I was going to ask exactly what Trump said that was racist? Nothing at all. Here is his complete tweets:
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So interesting to see “Progressive” Democrat Congresswomen, who originally came from countries whose governments are a complete and total catastrophe, the worst, most corrupt and inept anywhere in the world (if they even have a functioning government at all), now loudly.....
....and viciously telling the people of the United States, the greatest and most powerful Nation on earth, how our government is to be run. Why don’t they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came. Then come back and show us how....
....it is done. These places need your help badly, you can’t leave fast enough. I’m sure that Nancy Pelosi would be very happy to quickly work out free travel arrangements!
My analysis: The comments about "originally coming from (other countries)" apply only to three of the four. Pressley was born in Ohio and raised in Chicago, the best I can tell of black parents descended from slaves. So Trump is out of line to direct the "go back to where you came from" comment to her.
Of the other three, only one was actually born overseas, Omar, who was born in Somalia. His comment is completely appropriate to her. Go fix Somalia then tell the U.S. how it's done. If it's so bad here in America, why the fuck are you here?
The other two are second generation extracts from Puerto Rico and Palestine respectively. For those two Trump's comment could be interpreted that they may go back to where their parents were from, and the spirit of it holds true: Fix those places first if you want to be so critical of the U.S.
The only possible way you could interpret this as racist is if you buy into the "go back to where you came from" line as inherently racist, which it is not, despite the current PC overly sensitive interpretation of it these days.
I am not saying Trump's comments are good or nice or appropriate. I am saying they are NOT racist. They are criticizing these four women's views on how to run government and society, specifically how, being progressive, they hate America's capitalism and Constitution. "Go back home" is not saying we don't want you here because you are not white, it is saying we don't want you here if you hate this place and only want to transform it into another third world shit hole.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on July 16, 2019, 06:33:01 AM
Sort of. They are playing the victim card because they can - and because Trump really outdid himself this time and gave them something they can actually run with and use to their advantage.It was actually a campaign move. The Dems have been distancing themselves from the "Squad" because of their stance on certain issues. Trump has now forced the Dems to rally around these four and he can now use that as an example of what the Dems believe.
I've said Trump's presidency is a mixture of good and bad, and now, it seems, ugly. If his impulse control is as bad as it seems, then Trump needs a fucking handler and he needs to stay off Twitter.
Did you hear AOC denounce the Antifa terrorists that attempted to bomb the detention center over the weekend and who left a manifesto using AOC's term "Concentration Camps"
How about when Omar was speaking about 9/11 and she chose to say, "Some People Did Some Things". Is that an okay way to portray 9/11?
Post by: Number7 on July 16, 2019, 06:34:55 AM
Sort of. They are playing the victim card because they can - and because Trump really outdid himself this time and gave them something they can actually run with and use to their advantage.
I've said Trump's presidency is a mixture of good and bad, and now, it seems, ugly. If his impulse control is as bad as it seems, then Trump needs a fucking handler and he needs to stay off Twitter.
Bullshit.
Playing the victim card is all about the communist (democrat) party. Devoid of a single clue as to how to lead, or govern, they resort to pretending insult and injury because someone -anyone dared to disagree.
Your outrage at the President and his penchant for speaking the painful and sometimes ugly truth is another example of how leftists twist the truth to make it about feelings instead of facts.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on July 16, 2019, 06:36:48 AM
Post by: azure on July 16, 2019, 06:37:40 AM
What did Trump say that was ugly and racist, specifically? He called them out for the policy positions for being anti American. I don't consider telling someone they can leave and go make another country better then come back as racist.
I'm sure you're aware that "go back to..." (usually Africa or Mexico) is a standard line used by racists. He did say that they should go and fix the places "they came from". The fact that 3 out of the 4 were born in the US makes him sound even more ignorant.
I don't think he meant it to sound that way, and I don't think he's actually a racist... but that's not really the issue, as far as I'm concerned. It's his impulse control and his ability to act in a disciplined, strategy-guided way that I question.
Post by: Rush on July 16, 2019, 06:40:18 AM
It was actually a campaign move. The Dems have been distancing themselves from the "Squad" because of their stance on certain issues. Trump has now forced the Dems to rally around these four and he can now use that as an example of what the Dems believe.
Did you hear AOC denounce the Antifa terrorists that attempted to bomb the detention center over the weekend and who left a manifesto using AOC's term "Concentration Camps"
How about when Omar was speaking about 9/11 and she chose to say, "Some People Did Some Things". Is that an okay way to portray 9/11?
I heard that and it was pure disgusting. She was only 18 when 9/11 happened and had only been in the U.S. a few years. She obviously has NO clue of the depth of feeling that event had on this country. To refer to it so flippantly was sickening.
So AOC is denouncing Antifa and uh oh... is them using the term she used going to connect her to bad people? You mean like Trump is connected to white supremicists because they like some of the things Trump does? Gee that's not fair.
Post by: Number7 on July 16, 2019, 06:41:05 AM
I'm sure you're aware that "go back to..." (usually Africa or Mexico) is a standard line used by racists. He did say that they should go and fix the places "they came from". The fact that 3 out of the 4 were born in the US makes him sound even more ignorant.
I don't think he meant it to sound that way, and I don't think he's actually a racist... but that's not really the issue, as far as I'm concerned. It's his impulse control and his ability to act in a disciplined, strategy-guided way that I question.
Utter projection and patronizing bullshit. Making up insults so you can fashion make believe outrage is the true talent of liberal, whiny, academic, assholes and democrats, which is the same thing.
The most repressive, violent, racist and hateful people in American are on the left and represent the democrat (communist) party all day, every day. That you fall for the magic double standard defense says more about you than us.
Post by: azure on July 16, 2019, 06:46:53 AM
I am not saying Trump's comments are good or nice or appropriate. I am saying they are NOT racist. They are criticizing these four women's views on how to run government and society, specifically how, being progressive, they hate America's capitalism and Constitution. "Go back home" is not saying we don't want you here because you are not white, it is saying we don't want you here if you hate this place and only want to transform it into another third world shit hole.
I agree as to his INTENT. But he used a trope (go back to where you came from) that was ripe for being interpreted in exactly the light that it has been by the MSM and most Dems.
Again, the issue in my mind is not whether Trump is a racist - I don't know whether he is or not, but I give him the benefit of the doubt. His choice of phraseology, though, sucked and gave his political enemies ammunition, totally unnecessarily when he could have phrased what he said differently and still made the same point.
I stand by what I said: he needs to stay off Twitter and learn to control himself.
Post by: Anthony on July 16, 2019, 06:48:18 AM
I'm sure you're aware that "go back to..." (usually Africa or Mexico) is a standard line used by racists. He did say that they should go and fix the places "they came from". The fact that 3 out of the 4 were born in the US makes him sound even more ignorant.
I don't think he meant it to sound that way, and I don't think he's actually a racist... but that's not really the issue, as far as I'm concerned. It's his impulse control and his ability to act in a disciplined, strategy-guided way that I question.
I don't think "go back to" is racist at all in the context Trump used it. Trump was saying that instead of coming here as refugees and Illegals, and USING America purely for economic benefit, often "free", go back and FIX those countries, then come back when you are done.
All these four do is radically, and unfairly criticize the U.S. and demand taxpayers fund refugees and illegals for everything.
Post by: Rush on July 16, 2019, 06:50:53 AM
I'm sure you're aware that "go back to..." (usually Africa or Mexico) is a standard line used by racists. He did say that they should go and fix the places "they came from". The fact that 3 out of the 4 were born in the US makes him sound even more ignorant.
I don't think he meant it to sound that way, and I don't think he's actually a racist... but that's not really the issue, as far as I'm concerned. It's his impulse control and his ability to act in a disciplined, strategy-guided way that I question.
The second paragraph is fair enough. I don't know if his impulse control and so on is a problem or not but it's fair that that's your concern.
As for the go back to where you came from being racist - context is everything. When you are shouting at descendants of slaves in the context of we don't like n****s around here, go back home. Yes, RACIST. They didn't voluntarily come, their ancestors did not voluntarily come. But that doesn't make the line "go back home" racist in every context everywhere. Trump obviously is not referring to race or skin color, but to political ideology. In the case of the three he's talking to whose parents voluntarily came here, implying America is better than the shit hole they left, and so what the hell? Come over here and try to tell us we are doing it wrong when you chose to come? Go back home if it's so bad! I agree it was inappropriate in the case of Pressley, but Trump still was not referring to race, but political ideas.
Post by: Number7 on July 16, 2019, 06:55:05 AM
There is no such thing as integrity when a democrat(communist) makes an argument. It is all bullshit, wrapped inside a lie, with a generous helping of self righteous bullshit and d are to anyone to disagree.
Post by: Rush on July 16, 2019, 07:03:04 AM
I agree as to his INTENT. But he used a trope (go back to where you came from) that was ripe for being interpreted in exactly the light that it has been by the MSM and most Dems.
Again, the issue in my mind is not whether Trump is a racist - I don't know whether he is or not, but I give him the benefit of the doubt. His choice of phraseology, though, sucked and gave his political enemies ammunition, totally unnecessarily when he could have phrased what he said differently and still made the same point.
I stand by what I said: he needs to stay off Twitter and learn to control himself.
I have to agree with you from the standpoint of MSM and the herd wanting to believe "go back home" is racist regardless, and so it will be interpreted that way. Possibly it's not the best tact for him to take. If it turns out this sort of thing hurts him in 2020 I will be agreeing with you even more. I don't know whether it will hurt or help. For me personally, it has absolutely no impact whatsoever. I vote based on my wallet and sense of national security, and hope for the economy. I don't care a flip about what he tweets. But I do care if it impacts how other people vote.
He has no filter. It's like when my mother said to a black lady sitting in the doctor's waiting room, "You all look alike" and she meant OLD PEOPLE whether black or white. She complains all the time she can't recognize anyone anymore, because they all have white hair and are shriveled up using walkers. There's basically two people, black ones and white ones, and within each race they all look alike. This is NOT RACISM. But the comment has taken on such racial overtones it cannot be uttered without offending. And because my mom is 92 she has lost her filter; her brain cannot manage censoring her words because of the possible meaning other people might wrongly ascribe.
I don't want to think Trump is suffering from age related loss of filter but it certainly is possible. This does raise concerns about his judgment as CIC, I'll give you that. Maybe he has always not had a filter though, maybe it's just part of his personality. Or maybe he does have a filter and it's all calculated and he knows exactly what he's doing and it's all only going to end up in a landslide victory in 2020. Who knows?
Post by: Number7 on July 16, 2019, 07:17:29 AM
Remember the little twits that called the police because they felt afraid and unsafe to attend college because some evil person wrote “Trump 2020” with a grease pencil on a whiteboard?
This fear and hatred of anyone who dares to think for themselves is an excellent example of brainwashing to the maximum degree. Assuming something is racist based on zero facts just because it might be at odds with the Marxist and communists of academia, the communist democrat party and the media, is the epitome of racism.
Accusing someone of racism because they say they loved when their mother made fried chicken is the cowardice that affects the left all day everyday.
Pretending that a red hat is proof of white supremacy just because the MAGA hat is worn to support our President, is the most perfect example of how stupid one must be to be a democrat these days.
Accepting that the kooks and loons of the communist party (democrats) are empowered to redefine everything from hair styles to picnic foods based on their idiotic need for attention and willingness to be the whores of George Soros is the kind of thing Orwell warned us about.
Post by: Anthony on July 16, 2019, 07:29:11 AM
America separated from Europe for a reason. People left Europe for a reason. Is that reason still valid today? For me, yes, more than ever as the wealthy elite attempt globalism, and further consolidation of wealth. Look at Silicon Valley as a shining example.
This latest Trump episode is a perfect example of the battle. Look at who is on the side of these four radically left, and most vocal politicians. Trump mentioned them because they are extreme, and vocal, not because of their skin color, ethnicity, nor gender, yet the Media and Dems accuse him of that.
Post by: Number7 on July 16, 2019, 07:43:28 AM
Azure, like her brethren of academic marxism assumes that the President made racist remarks NOT because they were racist, but because some whiners say they were.
Facts mean nothing in the upside down world of academia and the academics are spreading their lies and hypocrisy far and wide because the media and education cabal have played along like the stupid people they are.
Post by: Anthony on July 16, 2019, 07:47:12 AM
Instead of looking at WHO, look at what.
Azure, like her brethren of academic marxism assumes that the President made racist remarks NOT because they were racist, but because some whiners say they were.
Facts mean nothing in the upside down world of academia and the academics are spreading their lies and hypocrisy far and wide because the media and education cabal have played along like the stupid people they are.
I interpreted what she said a bit differently. More that it is easy for the Media and the Left (same thing) to take what Trump said out of context, and use it against him. Fair or not, it is what they do. It is easy for them to sway the weak minded with the PERCEPTION Trump is racist due to out of context statements. Trump said NOTHING racist, but there are a lot of people that just hear what they want to hear.
Post by: Number7 on July 16, 2019, 07:51:01 AM
I interpreted what she said a bit differently. More that it is easy for the Media and the Left (same thing) to take what Trump said out of context, and use it against him. Fair or not, it is what they do. It is easy for them to sway the weak minded with the PERCEPTION Trump is racist due to out of context statements. Trump said NOTHING racist, but there are a lot of people that just hear what they want to hear.
Following the azure path to failure would be returning to teh days of GW Bush and his policies of appeasing the lefties hoping that they might like him for it.
Instead they turned up their hatred and demanded he sit silently by and take it, which has resulted in the pussified segment of the republican party that can't seem to find their balls with a flashlight and girl scout troop.
Appeasing leftist communists (democrats) only empowers them. They never offer a bit of respect in return.
Post by: Anthony on July 16, 2019, 07:55:38 AM
Following the azure path to failure would be returning to teh days of GW Bush and his policies of appeasing the lefties hoping that they might like him for it.
Instead they turned up their hatred and demanded he sit silently by and take it, which has resulted in the pussified segment of the republican party that can't seem to find their balls with a flashlight and girl scout troop.
Appeasing leftist communists (democrats) only empowers them. They never offer a bit of respect in return.
I have NO problem with what Trump said, and glad he calls a spade a spade. "Republicans" like GWB, Jeb, Romney, McCain, etc are WORSE than Democrats. My point was that Azure was truthfully telling how the Left interprets, and uses this stuff. No, it is not a valid reason for Trump to stop doing it, nor a reason to appease the Leftist/Media cabal. Appeasement = weakness and failure.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on July 16, 2019, 08:54:02 AM
He is ALWAYS pro American in everything he says and does, so it’s my hope his bluntness will convey that clearly to Americans. Come to think of it, perhaps his style conveys more truth more effectively than any clever editing I could do.
Post by: Lucifer on July 16, 2019, 10:15:48 AM
Sort of. They are playing the victim card because they can - and because Trump really outdid himself this time and gave them something they can actually run with and use to their advantage.
I've said Trump's presidency is a mixture of good and bad, and now, it seems, ugly. If his impulse control is as bad as it seems, then Trump needs a fucking handler and he needs to stay off Twitter.
So what did Trump say that was just so horribly bad?
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on July 16, 2019, 11:27:33 AM
Post by: Steingar on July 16, 2019, 11:47:01 AM
Post by: Anthony on July 16, 2019, 11:50:03 AM
My responses wouldn't be fit to print. I'd go Medieval on his fat fake blond ass.
Before or after they roughed up your Origami Ass at Osh Kosh? LOL!
:)
Post by: Lucifer on July 16, 2019, 12:45:31 PM
If that blowhard told me to go back to where I came from I'd tell him in unflattering language to stick it where the sun don't shine. Our Racist in Chief seems to think the only true Americans are white, and anyone who doesn't sing his little tune must be a provacature. Personally I think the responses from the involved parties are tame at best. My responses wouldn't be fit to print. I'd go Medieval on his fat fake blond ass.
Barking the racist rant just like you’ve been instructed! You’re such a good little progressive! Do as you’re told and don’t question.
Trump has never used “racist” language, ever. He’s never been accused of being racist before he ran for office. In FACT, he was lauded and praised by minority organizations for all of his work and philanthropy for minorities. FACT.
Now, let’s discuss the REAL racism, that which is on full display by the Democrat Party and Progressives. Shall I provide examples?
Post by: Steingar on July 16, 2019, 12:56:38 PM
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on July 16, 2019, 02:03:51 PM
Trumplethinskin has said exactly one true thing. He claimed he could shoot someone in the head on 5th avenue and folks like you would still support him. And boy was he ever right. According to you guys no matter what he says or does it's right, and anyone who disagrees is wrong, unAmerica, liberal, or whatever.
Conversely, it doesn't matter what President Trump does or says, people like you will hate him and spout lies about him.
Post by: Username on July 16, 2019, 02:08:17 PM
Conversely, it doesn't matter what President Trump does or says, people like you will hate him and spout lies about him.Exactly. Or put another way:
According to the left no matter what he says or does it's wrong, and anyone who disagrees is racist.
Post by: Number7 on July 16, 2019, 02:08:52 PM
If that blowhard told me to go back to where I came from I'd tell him in unflattering language to stick it where the sun don't shine. Our Racist in Chief seems to think the only true Americans are white, and anyone who doesn't sing his little tune must be a provacature. Personally I think the responses from the involved parties are tame at best. My responses wouldn't be fit to print. I'd go Medieval on his fat fake blond ass.
That’s bEcause you are a fucking snowflake, leftist, academic, asshole. Your entire charade of superiority screams that you are inept at understanding and dealing with any facts you don’t agree with, or are told to agree with by your owners.
Calling the President a racist based on your pathetic political and personal hatred of non progressives is as dishonest your babbling bulshit about mmgw.
Post by: nddons on July 16, 2019, 02:12:11 PM
Before or after they roughed up your Origami Ass at Osh Kosh? LOL!
:)
. Congratulations Anthony. You win the Internet today!
Post by: Number7 on July 16, 2019, 02:17:54 PM
Omar is the second edition of cankels the one woman crime syndicate, as well as an anti American scumbag.
http://www.startribune.com/new-documents-revisit-questions-about-rep-ilhan-omar-s-marriage/511681362/
Post by: Lucifer on July 16, 2019, 02:53:29 PM
Trumplethinskin has said exactly one true thing. He claimed he could shoot someone in the head on 5th avenue and folks like you would still support him. And boy was he ever right. According to you guys no matter what he says or does it's right, and anyone who disagrees is wrong, unAmerica, liberal, or whatever.
See, you've once again proved another reason why progressive leftist have become so unhinged over President Trump. The progressives just cannot accept that the normal Americans, the ones who elected this guy, are happy with the job he's doing and continue to support him. The progressives and their MSM have tried in vain to separate the President from his base. And every time they launch into yet another faux outrage tirade, the normals just see them for what they are and keep going.
How does it feel to be consumed with rage and hatred daily?
Post by: Lucifer on July 16, 2019, 03:03:42 PM
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I could go through a lengthy punchlist of examples of Trump statements and moves that prove the 3D chess theory, but that would dramatically overtake the space this column has to offer. Instead, let’s just talk about this weekend’s flare-up over the president’s Twitter outburst aimed at The Squad — the four idiot freshman Democrat congresswomen, led by Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and Ilhan Omar, who have spent their time as elected officials offering one inappropriate and stupid anti-American outburst after another.
Trump didn’t initially name any of the four. He didn’t talk about Omar or Ocasio-Cortez, and he didn’t talk about Ayana Pressley or Rashida Tlaib.
Instead he referred to “Progressive” Democratic congresswomen, and then noted that they “originally came from countries whose governments are a complete and total catastrophe, the worst, most corrupt and inept anywhere in the world (if they even have a functioning government at all), now loudly and viciously telling the people of the United States, the greatest and most powerful Nation on earth, how our government is to be run. Why don’t they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came. Then come back and show us how it is done. These places need your help badly, you can’t leave fast enough. I’m sure that Nancy Pelosi would be very happy to quickly work out free travel arrangements!”
This was decried by all the Usual Suspects as an abjectly racist statement, a response that Trump certainly anticipated and couldn’t care less about. Even some weak-kneed Republicans thrashed about in paroxysms of self-righteousness about how Trump could possibly be so bigoted and insensitive in calling out The Squad. After all, three of the four were born in this country!
But Omar wasn’t.
Omar is from Somalia. Omar is quite possibly here in this country after having committed immigration fraud. There has been a quite credible, perhaps even convincing, case made that Ilhan Omar married her biological brother in furtherance of that immigration fraud. And Ilhan Omar has not stopped making incendiary anti-American and pro-Muslim Brotherhood statements since she entered public life.
Absolutely everything Trump said in his tweets applies perfectly and without stipulation to Ilhan Omar.
The fact that he didn’t use her name meant that our political betters immediately assumed he was also talking about Pressley, Tlaib and Ocasio-Cortez.
Which bothered Trump not one bit.
And here is why. All last week House Speaker Nancy Pelosi was engaged in an aggressive campaign to shut The Squad up before they tore the Democrat caucus apart with their never-ending idiotic and vitriolic remarks. And why would Pelosi want to do that?
Paul Mirengoff at Power Line pointed out why. AOC and Omar, particularly, are becoming two of the best-known members of Pelosi’s caucus, and they are both becoming absolutely radioactive. To wit …
A May poll reportedly found that Ocasio-Cortez is profoundly unpopular in congressional districts throughout America. More than 74 percent of those surveyed recognized her name. Only 22 percent had a favorable view of her.
Ilhan Omar fared even worse. She was recognized by 53 percent, with only 9 percent holding a favorable view. Socialism was viewed favorably by 18 percent and unfavorably by 69 percent.
Chris White of the Daily Caller says Democratic leaders are concerned that with all the publicity Ocasio-Cortez and Omar generate, the party might lose the House. Ocasio-Cortez “is getting all the news and defining everyone else’s races,” one operative fretted. [\quote]
Post by: Lucifer on July 16, 2019, 03:19:09 PM
I agree as to his INTENT. But he used a trope (go back to where you came from) that was ripe for being interpreted in exactly the light that it has been by the MSM and most Dems.
Again, the issue in my mind is not whether Trump is a racist - I don't know whether he is or not, but I give him the benefit of the doubt. His choice of phraseology, though, sucked and gave his political enemies ammunition, totally unnecessarily when he could have phrased what he said differently and still made the same point.
I stand by what I said: he needs to stay off Twitter and learn to control himself.
Here's exactly what the President wrote:
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So interesting to see “Progressive” Democrat Congresswomen, who originally came from countries whose governments are a complete and total catastrophe, the worst, most corrupt and inept anywhere in the world (if they even have a functioning government at all), now loudly......
....and viciously telling the people of the United States, the greatest and most powerful Nation on earth, how our government is to be run. Why don’t they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came. Then come back and show us how....
....it is done. These places need your help badly, you can’t leave fast enough. I’m sure that Nancy Pelosi would be very happy to quickly work out free travel arrangements!
I don't see the statement "go back to where you came from" anywhere there. What I do read is recommending they take a look at other countries before trashing the US. Hey, wait a minute! He didn't even mention anyone by name (except Pelosi).
So there we have it. Once again, you have relied upon MSM reporting without actually reading the actual text of what the President wrote.
Nice to see you are also against free speech. ::) You certainly are all for a bunch of progressive communist in congress spewing their hate and lies over the MSM, but it somehow bothers you when the President chooses to communicate directly with the American people via social media.
Post by: Lucifer on July 16, 2019, 03:31:23 PM
If that blowhard told me to go back to where I came from I'd tell him in unflattering language to stick it where the sun don't shine. Our Racist in Chief seems to think the only true Americans are white, and anyone who doesn't sing his little tune must be a provacature. Personally I think the responses from the involved parties are tame at best. My responses wouldn't be fit to print. I'd go Medieval on his fat fake blond ass.
Let me show you what real racism looks like:
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2019/07/14/rep_ayanna_pressley_we_dont_need_any_more_brown_faces_that_dont_want_to_be_a_brown_voice.html
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Rep. Ayanna Pressley (D-MA) speaks at Netroots Nation conference on Saturday: "I don't want to bring a chair to an old table. This is the time to shake the table. This is the time to redefine that table. Because if you're going to come to this table, all of you who have aspirations of running for office. If you’re not prepared to come to that table and represent that voice, don’t come, because we don't need any more brown faces that don't want to be a brown voice. We don’t need black faces that don't want to be a black voice. We don't need Muslims that don’t want to be a Muslim voice. We don’t need queers that don't want to be a queer voice. If you’re worried about being marginalized and stereotyped, please don't even show up because we need you to represent that voice."
Post by: Rush on July 16, 2019, 03:54:03 PM
If that blowhard told me to go back to where I came from I'd tell him in unflattering language to stick it where the sun don't shine. Our Racist in Chief seems to think the only true Americans are white, and anyone who doesn't sing his little tune must be a provacature. Personally I think the responses from the involved parties are tame at best. My responses wouldn't be fit to print. I'd go Medieval on his fat fake blond ass.
??????? Where the hell do you get this shit from????
Post by: nddons on July 16, 2019, 04:16:35 PM
That’s why I refuse to debate with children.
??????? Where the hell do you get this shit from????
Post by: azure on July 16, 2019, 04:48:01 PM
I have to agree with you from the standpoint of MSM and the herd wanting to believe "go back home" is racist regardless, and so it will be interpreted that way. Possibly it's not the best tact for him to take. If it turns out this sort of thing hurts him in 2020 I will be agreeing with you even more. I don't know whether it will hurt or help. For me personally, it has absolutely no impact whatsoever. I vote based on my wallet and sense of national security, and hope for the economy. I don't care a flip about what he tweets. But I do care if it impacts how other people vote.
He has no filter. It's like when my mother said to a black lady sitting in the doctor's waiting room, "You all look alike" and she meant OLD PEOPLE whether black or white. She complains all the time she can't recognize anyone anymore, because they all have white hair and are shriveled up using walkers. There's basically two people, black ones and white ones, and within each race they all look alike. This is NOT RACISM. But the comment has taken on such racial overtones it cannot be uttered without offending. And because my mom is 92 she has lost her filter; her brain cannot manage censoring her words because of the possible meaning other people might wrongly ascribe.
I don't want to think Trump is suffering from age related loss of filter but it certainly is possible. This does raise concerns about his judgment as CIC, I'll give you that. Maybe he has always not had a filter though, maybe it's just part of his personality. Or maybe he does have a filter and it's all calculated and he knows exactly what he's doing and it's all only going to end up in a landslide victory in 2020. Who knows?
I think this is a pretty good analysis. My problem is that I only see a limited number of interpretations of Trump's behavior, and most of them cast a very unflattering light on his character. Let's take them in turn:
One, he has no filter. Either due to age, or because he never had one, as you suggest. Of course if it's due to age, that's the worst possibility because it bears on his fitness to hold office. But even if it's constitutional with him, would you really want a person who doesn't censor any of his thoughts carrying on high level diplomacy with foreign heads of state?
Two, he's doing all this in a calculated way. In some ways that's even worse, in my view. It means he's aware that he is using phrases that will be interpreted as racist, and doesn't care. The only motivation that I can think of for that would be to sow division. That would mean that the President of the United States is exploiting some of the deepest divisions in our country, some of the darkest and most painful and divisive conflicts we've gone through, for his own political gain. I've harped on his lack of leadership, and if that's what he is doing, then it proves my point. A great leader aims to unite the people he leads to reach some objective. Trump's behavior does the exact opposite, and if it's intentional, then shame on him.
The third possibility is one you didn't mention, and it's relatively benign: Trump suffers from Internet Disinhibition Syndrome - yes I just made that up, but I believe it's a thing. When they can speak without being able to immediately see the effect of their words on others, many people say (write) things they would never say in person, or even over the phone. It's a big part of why flame wars are so prevalent on the internet. And if that's the case, it doesn't really reflect too badly on his character or ability to lead... but I would still say, someone should put a muzzle on his tweeting, maybe take away his Twitter account as someone here suggested.
I'm really not sure which of these possibilities it is, but it matters to me. If the Dems nominate Warren or Sanders or Harris, I would LIKE to be able to vote for Trump. Like you, everything else being equal, I vote my pocketbook and my freedoms and the security of my country. If the Republican candidate had been anyone else - even people I don't agree with ideologically - it would be a no-brainer. I would vote for Pence or Cotton in a heartbeat over any of those three even though they are way too socially conservative for my taste. Trump is actually less ideological than either of those. My problem with Trump is Trump the human being. I'd like him to prove me wrong, but so far he's done nothing but disappoint me in that area.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on July 16, 2019, 05:33:25 PM
I think this is a pretty good analysis. My problem is that I only see a limited number of interpretations of Trump's behavior, and most of them cast a very unflattering light on his character. Let's take them in turn:
Interesting phrase you use. Have you considered the possibility that it is indeed your problem that you can only imagine "a limited number of interpretations"?
Post by: azure on July 16, 2019, 05:35:43 PM
Interesting phrase you use. Have you considered the possibility that it is indeed your problem that you can only imagine "a limited number of interpretations"?
Of course it's possible. Can you think of any others? (Other than the one the MSM has been running with, that Trump IS racist.)
Post by: Lucifer on July 16, 2019, 05:44:38 PM
I think this is a pretty good analysis. My problem is that I only see a limited number of interpretations of Trump's behavior, and most of them cast a very unflattering light on his character.
You choose to only look at limited number of interpretations. As we've seen over and over, you prefer the slant of the MSM as your sources.
Let's take them in turn:
One, he has no filter. Either due to age, or because he never had one, as you suggest. Of course if it's due to age, that's the worst possibility because it bears on his fitness to hold office. But even if it's constitutional with him, would you really want a person who doesn't censor any of his thoughts carrying on high level diplomacy with foreign heads of state?
Trump has gotten a lot done with various heads of states around the world. He has let them know that he supports America first. He's also let them know the free rides are over and they must start carrying their own weight. Also, he's let them know he supports America's interest when it comes to trade.
Oh, and he's actually started and continues dialogue with North Korea. That's a significant achievement in world peace.
And he stands with Israel (which irkes the progressive left). And has tightened the ropes on Iran.
The previous occupant of the White House was a foreign relations disaster, as were his Secretaries of State.
Two, he's doing all this in a calculated way. In some ways that's even worse, in my view. It means he's aware that he is using phrases that will be interpreted as racist, and doesn't care.
Total and baseless speculation.
Go read what he actually wrote, there is absolutely nothing racist in it whatsoever.
The only motivation that I can think of for that would be to sow division. That would mean that the President of the United States is exploiting some of the deepest divisions in our country, some of the darkest and most painful and divisive conflicts we've gone through, for his own political gain.
Again, baseless speculation. Again, take the time to read the actual text. And whether you agree or not, many Americans are behind what he wrote.
I've harped on his lack of leadership, and if that's what he is doing, then it proves my point. A great leader aims to unite the people he leads to reach some objective. Trump's behavior does the exact opposite, and if it's intentional, then shame on him.
Trump is under attack 24/7 by the progressive left. Anything he says or does will be met with the same faux outrage and screams of racism. And the progressives have their obedient MSM to twist and misreport everything to keep the narrative alive.
The third possibility is one you didn't mention, and it's relatively benign: Trump suffers from Internet Disinhibition Syndrome - yes I just made that up, but I believe it's a thing.
Denialism is very real, and right now we have large groups of people who a) Still cannot accept the results of the 2016 election, b) Cannot accept the fact the President was exonerated in a Special Counsel Investigation, c) Cannot accept the fact the country is in it's best financial condition of the last 50 years, d) Cannot accept the fact this country is now a world leading energy producer and e) Cannot accept American Exceptionalism and Patriotism.
And I didn't make up denialism.
When they can speak without being able to immediately see the effect of their words on others, many people say (write) things they would never say in person, or even over the phone. It's a big part of why flame wars are so prevalent on the internet. And if that's the case, it doesn't really reflect too badly on his character or ability to lead... but I would still say, someone should put a muzzle on his tweeting, maybe take away his Twitter account as someone here suggested.
Again, here you go with wanting to remove the President's First Amendments Rights. First we start with denying him access to social media to speak directly to Americans, then that will evolve into other forms of censorship.
Are you really serious in wanting to restrict First Amendment rights?
I'm really not sure which of these possibilities it is, but it matters to me. If the Dems nominate Warren or Sanders or Harris, I would LIKE to be able to vote for Trump. Like you, everything else being equal, I vote my pocketbook and my freedoms. If the Republican candidate had been anyone else - even people I don't agree with ideologically - it would be a no-brainer. I would vote for Pence or Cotton in a heartbeat over any of those three even though they are way too socially conservative for my taste. Trump is actually less ideological than either of those. My problem with Trump is Trump the human being. I'd like him to prove me wrong, but so far he's done nothing but disappoint me in that area.
Trump is not perfect, but he is perfect for the job. We didn't elect a priest, we elected a CEO, one to get the job done.
I for one am happy he stands up to those who want to bring this country harm. And he wants us all to succeed as Americans.
Post by: Lucifer on July 16, 2019, 05:46:55 PM
Of course it's possible. Can you think of any others? (Other than the one the MSM has been running with, that Trump IS racist.)
https://thehill.com/homenews/media/453300-cnn-msnbc-say-racist-636-times-regarding-trump-go-back-tweet-since-sunday
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CNN, MSNBC say 'racist' more than 1,100 times regarding Trump 'go back' tweet since Sunday
CNN and MSNBC have said the word "racist" more than 1,100 times since Sunday, according to a tally conducted by Grabien Media, an online media production and news prep service.
Yep, no agenda there.................
Post by: azure on July 16, 2019, 06:04:08 PM
I think you really didn't read my post very carefully but only replied with your usual load of garbage in a knee-jerk fashion.
I'm actually trying to find a benign interpretation for Trump's behavior because it matters, as you would have realized if you read the last paragraph in my post. I addressed the possibilities that Rush mentioned but said that they don't really cast Trump's character in a very good light even if they're true.
So I suggested IDS as another possibility, and one that really doesn't make him any worse than most other human beings on the planet. Yet you decided to tear into that one as well, showing perfectly well where you're coming from. No, I don't want to take away Trump's 1st amendment rights. But his tweeting is interfering with his doing his job if that interpretation is true, and he (or someone in his circle) should intervene for his good and the good of the country.
Yes I read the text. Very carefully. And that's why I don't think there was actual heartfelt racism behind his tweet. But the words he used were taken that way by a lot of people (and spun that way, consistently, by the MSM), and in my opinion, it was PREDICTABLE. If Trump didn't know they would be taken that way, he should have. So either his internal filter failed, or he chose his words to stir up a shitstorm. What other possibilities are there? Maybe that he is 100% tone-deaf on matters of race? That doesn't look a whole lot better.
What is this "denialism" you speak of? You really think this is all about leftists not being able to accept the outcome of the 2016 election? You must really be living in an alternate reality if you think that. People are up in arms because he used a phrase at some women of color that has a racist history in this country. Full stop. In today's climate, that's all that counts. Context doesn't change that fact. If it was some other politician, even a Dem, there would still be an uproar. Of course it's worse when it's Trump because a lot of people already think he IS racist, and because he is president.
I haven't checked this out, but last I heard the House passed a non-binding resolution condemning his tweet.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on July 16, 2019, 06:25:53 PM
I think he does remarkably well at controlling his language and his manner considering his background. He has now, forever, tied the Democrat party to “the squad” and has all the past history that will be used in upcoming campaign ads. Things like Ilhan Omar saying, “some people did some things” when describing 9/11. Can you understand how people will react to an ad like that? On November x you have a choice to make you can vote for the Democrat party candidate that has members with the following view of 9/11, followed by a clip of Omar.
How about an ad highlighting AOC's comparison of the detention centers to concentration camps followed by verbiage from the manifesto left behind by the guy that tried to fire bomb a detention center this weekend.
Or maybe an ad featuring a clip where one of them talks about “it's all about the Benjamins”
How about ads tying them back to radical Imams?
It will be great.
Post by: Lucifer on July 16, 2019, 06:28:51 PM
I'm well aware that the MSM are happily running with this and tearing down Trump at every opportunity.
I think you really didn't read my post very carefully but only replied with your usual load of garbage in a knee-jerk fashion.
No knee jerk here. If you had actually read what I wrote I backed it all up with facts.
So I suggested IDS as another possibility, and one that really doesn't make him any worse than most other human beings on the planet. Yet you decided to tear into that one as well, showing perfectly well where you're coming from. No, I don't want to take away Trump's 1st amendment rights. But his tweeting is interfering with his doing his job if that interpretation is true, and he (or someone in his circle) should intervene for his good and the good of the country.
Call it what you want, sugar coat it. But when you start talking about depriving someone of their constitutional rights it's a damn slippery slope.
You certainly don't get it. Most Americans are perfectly OK with the tweets. They're real, and straight from the man. He gets to bypass the media filter and go straight to his audience. This is the real problem progressives have with the tweets and of course want him silenced.
Yes I read the text. Very carefully. And that's why I don't think there was actual heartfelt racism behind his tweet. But the words he used were taken that way by a lot of people (and spun that way, consistently, by the MSM), and in my opinion, it was PREDICTABLE. If Trump didn't know they would be taken that way, he should have. So either his internal filter failed, or he chose his words to stir up a shitstorm. What other possibilities are there?
There was not even a hint of racism in that quote. None. Not.even. close.
Maybe that he is 100% tone-deaf on matters of race? That doesn't look a whole lot better.
That's pure garbage. Keep pumping that race card, that's exactly what the progressives want.
What is this "denialism" you speak of? You really think this is all about leftists not being able to accept the outcome of the 2016 election? You must really be living in an alternate reality if you think that. People are up in arms because he used a phrase at some women of color that has a racist history in this country
Oh c'mon! That is so fuckin' absurd, even from you.
If it was some other politician, even a Dem, there would still be an uproar. Of course it's worse when it's Trump because a lot of people already think he IS racist, and because he is president.
Bullshit.
Did you not watch what this dem said in a speech? And you don't consider this racist?
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2019/07/14/rep_ayanna_pressley_we_dont_need_any_more_brown_faces_that_dont_want_to_be_a_brown_voice.html
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"I don't want to bring a chair to an old table. This is the time to shake the table. This is the time to redefine that table. Because if you're going to come to this table, all of you who have aspirations of running for office. If you’re not prepared to come to that table and represent that voice, don’t come, because we don't need any more brown faces that don't want to be a brown voice. We don’t need black faces that don't want to be a black voice. We don't need Muslims that don’t want to be a Muslim voice. We don’t need queers that don't want to be a queer voice. If you’re worried about being marginalized and stereotyped, please don't even show up because we need you to represent that voice."
And not a peep from the dems, not a peep from the MSM.
I haven't checked this out, but last I heard the House passed a non-binding resolution condemning his tweet.
Which is meaningless. Wouldn't it be refreshing if these dems would actually go to work to solve, oh, I don't know.......maybe a crisis on our southern border?
Oh wait, they have failed miserably at that! So to divert attention away from that massive failure we'll spend all day in congress passing resolutions over something that didn't really happen.
Unfuckin' believeable.
Post by: Lucifer on July 16, 2019, 06:34:33 PM
Here's what I believe reality is, Trump is a business man in the business of building things. He's spent much time on building sites dealing with contractors dealing with trades people on a regular basis. My guess is Azure has never been on a construction site and listened to those types of discussions. The language is not pretty and can get pretty tough.
I think he does remarkably well at controlling his language and his manner considering his background. He has now, forever, tied the Democrat party to “the squad” and had all the past history that will be used in upcoming campaign ads. Things like Ilhan Omar saying, “some people did some things” when describing 9/11. Can you understand how people will react to an add like that? On November x you have a choice to make you can vote for the Democrat party candidate that has members with the following view of 9/11, followed by a clip of Omar.
How about an ad highlighting AOC's comparison of the detention centers to concentration camps followed by verbiage from the manifesto left behind by the guy that tried to fire bomb a detention center this weekend.
Or maybe an ad featuring a clip where one of them talks about “it's all about the Benjamins”
How about ads timing them back to radical Imams?
It will be great.
Bingo!
How about AOC refusing to condemn ANTIFA? Yep, she was asked, repeatedly, if she would condemn their actions and she refused. That will make a great ad.
And Omar? How about her unwavering support for Al Qaeda? How about her being asked by a reporter to disavow them and she just smiled and said nothing?
Let's look at the racist spew coming from Pressley and Talib? All on tape.
These four, the "Squad", are now the face of the Democrat Party. And you ain't seen nothing yet!
Post by: Lucifer on July 16, 2019, 06:39:48 PM
(http://www.pilotspin.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3627.0;attach=1072;image)
Post by: Number7 on July 16, 2019, 06:42:34 PM
Instead it’s nothing but meaningless bullshit about feelings and opinions without the slightest bit of integrity because if she and Mikey ever confronted the truth it might dislodge the gigantic chip on their shoulders that makes them acceptable to the faculty lounge set.
The only racists in this situation all live on the left and love their lies and the cover given them by their coterie of lying media trash and the education communist cabal .
Post by: azure on July 17, 2019, 06:25:02 AM
Here's what I believe reality is, Trump is a business man in the business of building things. He's spent much time on building sites dealing with contractors dealing with trades people on a regular basis. My guess is Azure has never been on a construction site and listened to those types of discussions. The language is not pretty and can get pretty tough.
I think he does remarkably well at controlling his language and his manner considering his background. He has now, forever, tied the Democrat party to “the squad” and has all the past history that will be used in upcoming campaign ads. Things like Ilhan Omar saying, “some people did some things” when describing 9/11. Can you understand how people will react to an ad like that? On November x you have a choice to make you can vote for the Democrat party candidate that has members with the following view of 9/11, followed by a clip of Omar.
How about an ad highlighting AOC's comparison of the detention centers to concentration camps followed by verbiage from the manifesto left behind by the guy that tried to fire bomb a detention center this weekend.
Or maybe an ad featuring a clip where one of them talks about “it's all about the Benjamins”
How about ads tying them back to radical Imams?
It will be great.
Great? Heaven help us if our politics stoops that low. You're probably right, but the other side has a lot of mud to toss at Trump too. So Campaign 2020 becomes a shit-slinging fest, and all the substantive issues get totally forgotten. It comes down to which "tribe" you belong to. You think that's a good thing?
I doubt there is any grand strategy behind it. I think Trump just likes to stir the pot and get people angry at him, because it gets his followers, people like you, to rally around him. That works, but I think he's mistaken if he thinks it will keep him enough votes from the Rust Belt states that put him over the top in 2016. His antics have lost him a lot of support from that part of the country. His best hope is if the Dems nominate someone from the looney-left progressive wing. The Dems may be rallying around the Squad now, but that won't necessarily give them the influence to determine who gets the nod in Milwaukee. Hopefully saner heads will prevail come next summer.
Post by: Lucifer on July 17, 2019, 06:55:24 AM
Great? Heaven help us if our politics stoops that low.
So let me get this straight. During the last election the democrats rigged the primary so that only one candidate could get the nomination. Then that campaign had operatives that were getting debate questions given to them by the moderators before the debate. That same campaign laundered money through a law firm to buy opposition research from a foreign national, who was buying info from Russian assets, then used this info (dossier) to influence DoJ and FBI senior personnel to petition a FISA court for warrants to spy on the opposition campaign. This democrat campaign also used WH assets to unmask hundreds of private citizens, for no apparent reason, in order to gain opposition research on the republican nominee.
From where I sit, the above is stooping lower in politics than anything that has been done recently.
You're probably right, but the other side has a lot of mud to toss at Trump too. So Campaign 2020 becomes a shit-slinging fest, and all the substantive issues get totally forgotten. It comes down to which "tribe" you belong to. You think that's a good thing?
Do you actually believe the democrats, which are being controlled by the progressive left, are actually trying to stay on "substantive issues" during this election? So far out of the clown car parade of democrat candidates all we here are them competing to see which one can promise more free shit. Not a one has even bothered discussing anything substantive. Yet we have our President who has been working and pushing forward trying to fix the awful mess left by the previous administration, even while under constant shit slinging by the progressives.
I doubt there is any grand strategy behind it. I think Trump just likes to stir the pot and get people angry at him, because it gets his followers, people like you, to rally around him.
Right on cue, nice.
The leftist progressives want the President to do what previous (R) presidents have done, sit back and take it. It angers them to no end he doesn't take their shit. Let's take the most recent example. The Squad came out throwing inflammatory shit at the President. Yep, they started it, and why? They wanted a reaction, they wanted media attention to let the country know they are in charge, not Pelosi. Hell, they even attacked Pelosi. So the President responds by reminding them they are a bunch of amateurs (which they are) with not a clue on how to run a government. And, predictably, they started yelling "Racist!"
Let's be honest here. What has got your panties twisted is you are smart enough to realize the damage these radical progressives are doing to the democrats, and they are all but assuring Trump gets re-elected. You want desperately to believe the MSM polling right now (as 2016 wasn't a lesson in that) that somehow people in the rust belt will abandon a Prosperity President to "punish him" and elect a far left progressive lunatic.
Got news for you sister, the far left progressives now own the DNC, lock, stock and barrel. No way they are going to allow a moderate democrat to run for President. And the progressives aren't going to muzzle their media darlings, the Squad. They own the podium now, not Pelosi, not Schumer.
That works, but I think he's mistaken if he thinks it will keep him enough votes from the Rust Belt states that put him over the top in 2016. His antics have lost him a lot of support from that part of the country. His best hope is if the Dems nominate someone from the looney-left progressive wing. The Dems may be rallying around the Squad now, but that won't necessarily give them the influence to determine who gets the nod in Milwaukee.
Better start paying close attention. The far left progressives own the DNC now. If you can't see that, it's just more denialism.
Hopefully saner heads will prevail come next summer.
See above.
Post by: Number7 on July 17, 2019, 07:07:02 AM
I'm shocked.
Shocked, I say!
Post by: Anthony on July 17, 2019, 07:21:01 AM
Trump said nothing racist. Much if not all of the racist accusations today are false, and invented just to demonize anyone who doesn't agree with the Far Left which has taken over the Democrat Party.
I would have to think that many if not most Americans are tired of this tactic and it will hurt the Democrats in 2020. They will double down on this strategy, turn off swing voters, moderates and undecides and again LOSE.
Post by: Rush on July 17, 2019, 07:35:25 AM
Also nit: Lucifer talking about what gets your panties in a twist is speculation; we cannot read the minds of others.
But otherwise Azure, I'm sorry, Lucifer is absolutely spot on. What the Dems did in 2016 is way worse than petty shit slinging; it was criminal, unconstitutional, corrupt and traitorous. If the 2020 election is only a shit slinging fest we will doing a lot better than 2016.
And Trump is not stirring the pot first. In every case he is reacting and defending himself against vicious ongoing relentless attack from the left both in Congress and in the media. I have never seen anything like this in my life. It is the worse case of character assassination I think this country has ever experienced.
The Democrats are doing and have been doing everything they can to tear this man down, to make him fail, to ruin his presidency and they don't care a fuck about the country. They would have the U.S. crash and burn if it meant destroying Trump, they will burn down everything we have built in 200 years just to get revenge for the fact that the voters dared reject their Anointed One and place a scrappy outsider in the White House.
But Azure, you are right about one thing: we are becoming tribal. The divide is now deep and possibly irreconcilable. But I disagree with Number 7 that you are a far leftist. I think you are remaining above the divide, still undecided where your true loyalties lie. Or if you're like me, you don't join one or the other, but remain objective on a case by case basis, forming opinions on issues, not which group you most identify with. However the day may come when you'll have to pick up a gun and decide which side you're going to shoot from.
Post by: Lucifer on July 17, 2019, 07:47:31 AM
The question is whether the voters in 2020 can see through the bullshit and vote on reality (booming economy) instead of petty shit slinging. In Azure's defense, I don't have a lot of faith in the general pubic. They get their news from Facebook and CNN and it's all being spun against Trump.
Also nit: Lucifer talking about what gets your panties in a twist is speculation; we cannot read the minds of others.
But otherwise Azure, I'm sorry, Lucifer is absolutely spot on. What the Dems did in 2016 is way worse than petty shit slinging; it was criminal, unconstitutional, corrupt and traitorous. If the 2020 election is only a shit slinging fest we will doing a lot better than 2016.
And Trump is not stirring the pot first. In every case he is reacting and defending himself against vicious ongoing relentless attack from the left both in Congress and in the media. I have never seen anything like this in my life. It is the worse case of character assassination I think this country has ever experienced.
The Democrats are doing and have been doing everything they can to tear this man down, to make him fail, to ruin his presidency and they don't care a fuck about the country. They would have the U.S. crash and burn if it meant destroying Trump, they will burn down everything we have built in 200 years just to get revenge for the fact that the voters dared reject their Anointed One and place a scrappy outsider in the White House.
But Azure, you are right about one thing: we are becoming tribal. The divide is now deep and possibly irreconcilable. But I disagree with Number 7 that you are a far leftist. I think you are remaining above the divide, still undecided where your true loyalties lie. Or if you're like me, you don't join one or the other, but remain objective on a case by case basis, forming opinions on issues, not which group you most identify with. However the day may come when you'll have to pick up a gun and decide which side you're going to shoot from.
Right now the decision couldn't be more clear. On one side we have prosperity and national pride. We for once have a President who works for the people, not the special interest. Low unemployment records, record growth and a booming economy.
On the other side we have far left progressives, who's idea is socialism, higher taxes and give away programs, no borders and pushing a two tiered justice system. That side is also actively supporting hate groups such as ANTIFA. The projection from them is almost overwhelming.
Anyone right now believing that the DNC will somehow come around and nominate a true moderate in 2020 is delusional, and, in denial.
On your nit: My reading of Azure's twisted panties are gathered from her several postings. ;D
Post by: Anthony on July 17, 2019, 07:50:59 AM
Now we even have the term "American" being called Racist. When will it en?
Post by: Lucifer on July 17, 2019, 08:13:06 AM
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It is worth noting that all four — Reps. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-NY), Ilhan Omar (D-MN), Rashida Tlaib (D-MI), and Ayanna Pressley (D-MA) are members of a group called the “Justice Democrats.” The group is specifically devoted to backing primary candidates against Democratic incumbents seen as being too moderate and too white.
Last November, the Justice Democrats launched a campaign called “#OurTime,” aimed at recruiting candidates to challenge “Democratic incumbents who are demographically and ideologically out-of-touch with their districts.”
From the start, the “Squad” devoted itself to an explicitly race-based political effort.
Post by: Rush on July 17, 2019, 08:15:09 AM
https://gellerreport.com/2019/07/list-democrat-nazi-antisemitic-statements.html/
Wow. So who’s being racist again?
Post by: azure on July 17, 2019, 08:15:54 AM
The question is whether the voters in 2020 can see through the bullshit and vote on reality (booming economy) instead of petty shit slinging. In Azure's defense, I don't have a lot of faith in the general pubic. They get their news from Facebook and CNN and it's all being spun against Trump.
Also nit: Lucifer talking about what gets your panties in a twist is speculation; we cannot read the minds of others.
But otherwise Azure, I'm sorry, Lucifer is absolutely spot on. What the Dems did in 2016 is way worse than petty shit slinging; it was criminal, unconstitutional, corrupt and traitorous. If the 2020 election is only a shit slinging fest we will doing a lot better than 2016.
And Trump is not stirring the pot first. In every case he is reacting and defending himself against vicious ongoing relentless attack from the left both in Congress and in the media. I have never seen anything like this in my life. It is the worse case of character assassination I think this country has ever experienced.
The Democrats are doing and have been doing everything they can to tear this man down, to make him fail, to ruin his presidency and they don't care a fuck about the country. They would have the U.S. crash and burn if it meant destroying Trump, they will burn down everything we have built in 200 years just to get revenge for the fact that the voters dared reject their Anointed One and place a scrappy outsider in the White House.
But Azure, you are right about one thing: we are becoming tribal. The divide is now deep and possibly irreconcilable. But I disagree with Number 7 that you are a far leftist. I think you are remaining above the divide, still undecided where your true loyalties lie. Or if you're like me, you don't join one or the other, but remain objective on a case by case basis, forming opinions on issues, not which group you most identify with. However the day may come when you'll have to pick up a gun and decide which side you're going to shoot from.
The economy is very good, though it has showed signs of slowing. To be perfectly honest here, a lot can happen in a year, and we won't know where things stand until next summer. There are other areas where Trump has had limited success: the southern border is still a mess, North Korea is talking about resuming nuclear/ballistic missile testing. How far the trade war with China will ultimately go and how much it will hurt us remains to be seen, but this is a substantive criticism that the MSM has made stick to a degree.
I still consider most of the allegations of criminal wrongdoing on the part of the DNC and, at the same time and later, the DoJ to be unproven. There is a lot of smoke there, and all of this should be investigated, people should be brought up on charges if a strong case can be made. So far that hasn't happened. I hope that is one of Barr's priorities and that he can investigate all of this objectively. I don't have a huge amount of faith in his objectivity but the ball is in his court.
Yes the Dems are stirring the pot too, I never said Trump was entirely to blame. I said he is wantonly playing the same game, making matters worse. There is no excuse for what either side is doing, but I generally hold the president to a higher standard.
You are right: I don't have any partisan loyalty in this. I do try to treat everything on a case by case basis. If the Dems nominate a progressive, I'd much prefer the Republican candidate be anyone but Trump, not because of his policies but his character, and because I'm not convinced he's really a competent CIC. I'm really not sure which way I'll vote in 2020 if that happens, but third party is starting to look attractive.
But I think Lucifer is wrong that the Squad OWNS the DNC. The Dems are rallying around them now, but just a few months ago Omar drew sharp criticism from her own party for tweets accusing her critics of being funded by AIPAC. If she lets loose with more of the same (and it seems she just did in the last 24 hours??), you can be sure she'll be roundly castigated by the Dems as well as everyone else.
I don't think any wing of the party has a lock on the nomination right now - but it's true that the progressives are gaining momentum and that's a bad sign. Where will thinks shake out next summer? We won't know until then.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on July 17, 2019, 08:17:45 AM
I think Trump just likes to stir the pot and get people angry at him, because it gets his followers, people like you, to rally around him.
Thanks for the insult, that tells me a lot. I had some modicum of respect for you. Not so sure now since you went straight to the "D" playbook of insulting those you disagree with.
Please answer a couple of questions......
Do you agree with AOC that we are running concentration camps? If so, why were those same "concentration camps" not referred to as such when Obama was the President?
Do you agree with Ilhan Omar about 9/11 that "some people did some things"?
Do you agree with Ayanna Pressley when she says, "We don’t need black faces that don’t want to be a black voice," she said. "We don’t need Muslims that don’t want to be a Muslim voice. We don’t need queers that don’t want to be a queer voice. If you’re worried about being marginalized and stereotyped, please don’t even show up because we need you to represent that voice."?
Post by: Lucifer on July 17, 2019, 08:18:20 AM
Wow. So who’s being racist again?
Exactly.
Once again, projection.
Post by: azure on July 17, 2019, 08:28:44 AM
Thanks for the insult, that tells me a lot. I had some modicum of respect for you. Not so sure now since you went straight to the "D" playbook of insulting those you disagree with.
If you're not a Trump follower then I apologize. You sure had me fooled with that post about how "great" it will be when the Republicans run ads linking the Squad with radical imams. What was that about, then?
And if you are a Trump follower/supporter, why is calling you one an insult?
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Please answer a couple of questions......
Do you agree with AOC that we are running concentration camps? If so, why were those same "concentration camps" not referred to as such when Obama was the President?
Do you agree with Ilhan Omar about 9/11 that "some people did some things"?
Do you agree with Ayanna Pressley when she says, "We don’t need black faces that don’t want to be a black voice," she said. "We don’t need Muslims that don’t want to be a Muslim voice. We don’t need queers that don’t want to be a queer voice. If you’re worried about being marginalized and stereotyped, please don’t even show up because we need you to represent that voice."?
No, no, and no.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on July 17, 2019, 08:35:16 AM
Post by: Lucifer on July 17, 2019, 08:40:27 AM
There are other areas where Trump has had limited success: the southern border is still a mess,
Glad you brought this up. First, do you have a clue as to how government works? I ask this, because if you did, you would realize how ludicrous your statement is.
The President has been working constantly on improving the border situation. Remember he asked for funds from congress to build a border wall, additional funds for CBP and even additional funds for various other situations with regards to the border.
And congress refused. And kept refusing. Then the President used his constitutional authority to declare an emergency, and activist judges began throwing road blocks (injunctions) up to stop him. Even today the President has to fight the progressives daily over the southern border.
So please tell us again where the real problem lies on our southern border?
North Korea is talking about resuming nuclear/ballistic missile testing.
Yep, more sabre rattling by Kim. He's struggling under sanctions and is bankrupt. He wants an agreement that only favors him. And Trump is standing strong.
Please show us what the previous administration did in 8 years with regards to NK?
How far the trade war with China will ultimately go and how much it will hurt us remains to be seen, but this is a substantive criticism that the MSM has made stick to a degree.
For those of us who don't go along with the MSM narrative, those tariffs with China are working. Try spending some time reading financials if you don't believe me.
I still consider most of the allegations of criminal wrongdoing on the part of the DNC and, at the same time and later, the DoJ to be unproven. There is a lot of smoke there, and all of this should be investigated, people should be brought up on charges if a strong case can be made. So far that hasn't happened. I hope that is one of Barr's priorities and that he can investigate all of this objectively. I don't have a huge amount of faith in his objectivity but the ball is in his court.
Both Rush and I have spent considerable time reading all the information coming from what is the greatest scandal in American history. The mountains of evidence are overwhelming of wrong doing by the democrats. But the MSM wants everyone to focus on Trump as being the culprit.
As for Barr? Hmmm, maybe we should have Loretta Lynch investigating, or perhaps Barack's "wingman" Eric Holder. Perhaps you would feel they are more objective?
Yes the Dems are stirring the pot too, I never said Trump was entirely to blame. I said he is wantonly playing the same game, making matters worse. There is no excuse for what either side is doing, but I generally hold the president to a higher standard.
Not buying your tripe. You simply want the President silenced, you've already stated as much several times.
You are right: I don't have any partisan loyalty in this.
If you say so. From your writings, I see something totally different.
But I think Lucifer is wrong that the Squad OWNS the DNC.
Once again, denial.
Post by: Rush on July 17, 2019, 08:46:56 AM
If you're not a Trump follower then I apologize. You sure had me fooled with that post about how "great" it will be when the Republicans run ads linking the Squad with radical imams. What was that about, then?
And if you are a Trump follower/supporter, why is calling you one an insult?
Because it implies he supports Trump just because Trump is stirring the pot as opposed to supporting him for his policies and actions as President.
Post by: Rush on July 17, 2019, 08:49:33 AM
On your nit: My reading of Azure's twisted panties are gathered from her several postings. ;D
No judgment. I probably do the same thing. :)
Post by: azure on July 17, 2019, 08:54:00 AM
Because it implies he supports Trump just because Trump is stirring the pot as opposed to supporting him for his policies and actions as President.
Except that that wasn't the way I intended it. I think most of Trump's followers also like his actions and policies - heck, I like SOME of them myself. The fact that they ALSO react to his pot stirring doesn't change that at all.
The "implication" is how you (and apparently Eppy) read it.
Or is it how someone takes a comment that determines whether it actually IS insulting?
That is exactly the logic by which the MSM labels Trump's tweet against Omar racist.
Post by: nddons on July 17, 2019, 09:13:06 AM
Great? Heaven help us if our politics stoops that low. You're probably right, but the other side has a lot of mud to toss at Trump too. So Campaign 2020 becomes a shit-slinging fest, and all the substantive issues get totally forgotten. It comes down to which "tribe" you belong to. You think that's a good thing?You’re kidding, right? The politics of personal destruction is the ONLY way politics works these days. The difference is, any quotes from these women will be quotes from these women, referencing their beliefs and policies, not made up, false flag controversies like someone didn’t pay taxes, put dogs in cages on top of cars, had a binder of female candidates, HALLIBURTON!, used the word “pussy”, golden shower dossier, RACIST!, and other meaningless bullshit.
I doubt there is any grand strategy behind it. I think Trump just likes to stir the pot and get people angry at him, because it gets his followers, people like you, to rally around him. That works, but I think he's mistaken if he thinks it will keep him enough votes from the Rust Belt states that put him over the top in 2016. His antics have lost him a lot of support from that part of the country. His best hope is if the Dems nominate someone from the looney-left progressive wing. The Dems may be rallying around the Squad now, but that won't necessarily give them the influence to determine who gets the nod in Milwaukee. Hopefully saner heads will prevail come next summer.
I’m all for going after the issues, but it truly is naive to believe that Trump should be the first to cease fire when the incoming fire is being taken by him 24/7/365. In my 59 years on earth I’ve never seen someone take such a beating and keep on coming, for no pay, to make this country as great as it can be.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on July 17, 2019, 09:48:31 AM
https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor
Post by: Rush on July 17, 2019, 10:20:22 AM
Except that that wasn't the way I intended it. I think most of Trump's followers also like his actions and policies - heck, I like SOME of them myself. The fact that they ALSO react to his pot stirring doesn't change that at all.
The "implication" is how you (and apparently Eppy) read it.
Or is it how someone takes a comment that determines whether it actually IS insulting?
That is exactly the logic by which the MSM labels Trump's tweet against Omar racist.
I admit that the more they attack Trump, the more I'm inclined to support him. But it's not Trump's pot stirring making me feel that way, it's the attacks. When the herd mentality forms a lynch mob, I will almost always defend the target. Because most of the time the herd is wrong.
Post by: Lucifer on July 17, 2019, 10:30:30 AM
I admit that the more they attack Trump, the more I'm inclined to support him. But it's not Trump's pot stirring making me feel that way, it's the attacks. When the herd mentality forms a lynch mob, I will almost always defend the target. Because most of the time the herd is wrong.
Which is what the progressives can't seem to grasp. It's as if they truly believe that the majority of American people will rally around them every time they hurl a hand full of shit at the President.
Hey progressives, here's an interesting concept: Find a likeable presidential candidate, one who is a moderate, smart and can articulate a message that will resonate with voters. Have this candidate stay on point and debate the issues.
The current progressive strategy of "Hate Trump" is a non starter, and won't win an election.
Post by: Lucifer on July 17, 2019, 10:41:41 AM
Post by: nddons on July 17, 2019, 02:59:03 PM
Post by: Lucifer on July 17, 2019, 04:12:37 PM
CNN's Tapper: House Democrats Admit Trump Won The Fight With Ocasio-Cortez And Her Crew
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House Democrats may have appeared united in the resolution condemning President Trump for a series of tweets aimed at Reps. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, Ilhan Omar, Rashida Tlaib, and Ayanna Pressley, but behind the scenes we have chaos. A few talked to Tapper off the record and noted this whole fiasco has been a massive win for the Trump White House. There was infighting between AOC and Speaker Pelosi, which is good, but what’s even better is forcing the Democratic leadership to remembrance this Leninist Girl Scout Troop from Hell and their extremist agenda and anti-Semitic remarks. Oh, and Omar made sure to make it clear to CBS’s Gayle King that she doesn’t regret her remarks.
"The president won this one,” said one House Democrat to Tapper, “What the president has done is politically brilliant. Pelosi was trying to marginalize these folks and the president has now identified the entire party with them."
Post by: Anthony on July 17, 2019, 04:20:34 PM
Post by: Little Joe on July 18, 2019, 06:35:21 AM
I stand by what I said: he needs to stay off Twitter and learn to control himself.My wife and her family think Trump should stay off Twitter too.
Because they don't like him and they don't like what he has to say.
They would MUCH prefer to just read negative articles about him on CNN, MSNBC, WAPO, NYT, etc . . .
They aslo think FOX should be shut down because they don't like what they say either.
Control himself? Perhaps he should be force fed the same drugs liberals dose young boys with to stop them from acting like young boys.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on July 18, 2019, 06:49:35 AM
Honestly, reading Trump’s tweets is keeping me sane!
https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor
Post by: azure on July 18, 2019, 07:26:33 AM
http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/07/polls-voters-like-trump-mass-deportation-raids-but-not-racist-tweets.html
Post by: Number7 on July 18, 2019, 07:33:41 AM
Anyone believing a liberal poll is guilty being painfully naive, desperate to believe the impossible.
Post by: Little Joe on July 18, 2019, 08:39:52 AM
Interesting analysis from the other side:My take is that is because the vast majority of people don't read his tweets. They read what the MSM selects for them to read. If all I read was what the media filters, then I would probably not like his tweets either.
http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/07/polls-voters-like-trump-mass-deportation-raids-but-not-racist-tweets.html
Post by: azure on July 18, 2019, 03:07:18 PM
My take is that is because the vast majority of people don't read his tweets. They read what the MSM selects for them to read. If all I read was what the media filters, then I would probably not like his tweets either.
That's a fair point. I looked at his Twitter feed today and most of it was quite positive. He really CAN be an inspirational tweeter when he wants to be. But then there's the 1% of the time that he lets something out that totally clears the room. IMO all the positive stuff doesn't make up for those bombs he drops.
Post by: Lucifer on July 18, 2019, 05:11:54 PM
That's a fair point. I looked at his Twitter feed today and most of it was quite positive. He really CAN be an inspirational tweeter when he wants to be. But then there's the 1% of the time that he lets something out that totally clears the room. IMO all the positive stuff doesn't make up for those bombs he drops.
To you, of course not. To others, it’s not a big deal because, well, it’s not a big deal.
Just like the recent twitter referencing the Squad. Just the dims projecting their racism.
Post by: bflynn on July 18, 2019, 05:36:50 PM
He would be more successful if he were not so bombastic.
Post by: Number7 on July 18, 2019, 05:55:37 PM
That's a fair point. I looked at his Twitter feed today and most of it was quite positive. He really CAN be an inspirational tweeter when he wants to be. But then there's the 1% of the time that he lets something out that totally clears the room. IMO all the positive stuff doesn't make up for those bombs he drops.
Bullshit.
You’re attempting to cover our ass because you fell for the assholes n the media and lapped up their shit Like starving mongrel dog
Post by: azure on July 18, 2019, 09:16:28 PM
My take is that the president would be more successful if he controlled what he said on and off of Twitter. When he slips up a little, the leftist media blows it up into a mountain, then uses it to impair or sometimes outright block his programs.
Spot on. That's exactly what happens.
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He would be more successful if he were not so bombastic.
Depends on how you define success.
He would probably have a larger following, or at least more people would have respect for him. But he has never seemed to care to win over anyone but those already in his base.
He might actually get more done too. Then again, he seems to enjoy being in a position where he can blame his failure to get things done on Democrats.
So as things stand, he might actually be quite successful by his own standards, and that of his followers.
Post by: nddons on July 19, 2019, 04:36:31 AM
That's a fair point. I looked at his Twitter feed today and most of it was quite positive. He really CAN be an inspirational tweeter when he wants to be. But then there's the 1% of the time that he lets something out that totally clears the room. IMO all the positive stuff doesn't make up for those bombs he drops.I’m not sure if Obama used Twitter (I’m not on Twitter) but let’s presume Trump is the first President to use it prolifically.
If NOT for Twitter, how do you think Trump would get his message out? Would the MSM give him daily air time if he asks for it? Not on your life.
I occasionally cringe at some of his Tweets, but I’d much rather have a president telling me what he thinks on a regular basis than to have a president whisperer to a Russian “After my election I’ll have more flexibility.”
If the good Tweets are wiped out by the occasional bad Tweet, who’s fault is that? It’s the MSM trying to control the message of a President unable to be controlled, and they despise that and are doing everything they can to further THEIR message, not his.
I wouldn’t have said this two years ago when I didn’t like the Tweets, but now I say “Keep Tweeting.” When you are running a daily gauntlet with the MSM, the Dems, and many Republicans against you, it’s the only way.
Post by: Lucifer on July 19, 2019, 04:57:05 AM
I’m not sure if Obama used Twitter (I’m not on Twitter) but let’s presume Trump is the first President to use it prolifically.
If NOT for Twitter, how do you think Trump would get his message out? Would the MSM give him daily air time if he asks for it? Not on your life.
I occasionally cringe at some of his Tweets, but I’d much rather have a president telling me what he thinks on a regular basis than to have a president whisperer to a Russian “After my election I’ll have more flexibility.”
If the good Tweets are wiped out by the occasional bad Tweet, who’s fault is that? It’s the MSM trying to control the message of a President unable to be controlled, and they despise that and are doing everything they can to further THEIR message, not his.
I wouldn’t have said this two years ago when I didn’t like the Tweets, but now I say “Keep Tweeting.” When you are running a daily gauntlet with the MSM, the Dems, and many Republicans against you, it’s the only way.
Exactly.
Let's face a truth here. The progressives absolutely hate the fact they can't control the narrative, thus why we hear inane remarks from those who would like to suppress his first amendment rights.
If they could just isolate him into carefully edited sound bites to be played on the MSM so the weak minded would all say in unison "OMG, he's RACIST!" and keep him from defending himself.
The MSM and progressives depend upon weak minded people who are too lazy to actually fact seek anything. This thread is a perfect example, we watched a few fly off the handle with the charges of racism before they actually read what was wrote. It took me less than a minute to find the actual quote, and has been written before, there were zero references to race. We saw, once again, projection in play.
Post by: Little Joe on July 19, 2019, 08:00:35 AM
Is it any wonder they don't know how to take criticism? They were never taught. They were taught that their "preciousness and specialness" is divine and nobody has the right to question it.
Post by: Lucifer on July 20, 2019, 07:24:54 AM
https://townhall.com/columnists/michaelbrown/2019/07/19/the-liberal-media-wont-shame-me-out-of-voting-again-for-trump-n2550343
Post by: Lucifer on July 23, 2019, 04:43:57 PM
See how many of these apply to the squad.
1. "Power is not only what you have but what the enemy thinks you have."
2. "Never go outside the expertise of your people."
3. "Whenever possible go outside the expertise of the enemy."
4."Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules."
5."Ridicule is man's most potent weapon."
6."A good tactic is one your people enjoy."
7."A tactic that drags on too long becomes a drag."
8."Keep the pressure on."
9."The threat is usually more terrifying than the thing itself."
10."The major premise for tactics is the development of operations that will maintain a constant pressure upon the opposition."
11."If you push a negative hard and deep enough it will break through into its counterside."
12."The price of a successful attack is a constructive alternative."
13. "Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it."
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