Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on July 17, 2019, 08:18:47 AM
“Have you ever considered that you are unique, special, and cannot be duplicated, your opinions are highly specific to you, and others have different views that have equal merit? If not, please, please do some critical introspective evaluations of your persona. It’s ok that you have ideas and opinions that don’t align with others. We need a dissenting voice now and then to achieve balance and to consider other options. I mean, hey- you seem kind of vile, but apparently someone married you, so you can’t be all bad after all. ;)”. Post by Lachlan
Post by: nddons on July 17, 2019, 08:30:02 AM
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Post by: azure on July 17, 2019, 09:00:55 AM
Wow, what could that post be about? Since politics are verboten there, was Steingar talking about making GPS dick pics in Mooney’s vs Cessnas?
Coffee.
https://www.pilotsofamerica.com/community/threads/coffee.115647/page-5
Post by: Number7 on July 17, 2019, 09:59:33 AM
Coffee.
https://www.pilotsofamerica.com/community/threads/coffee.115647/page-5
Pilots will argue about anything including what constitutes arguing.
Post by: Rush on July 17, 2019, 10:13:20 AM
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Post by: Anthony on July 17, 2019, 10:53:09 AM
I never acquired the taste for coffee. Smells great, tastes like it is: burned beans. And my sister has a Kona coffee farm.
In Hawaii?
I like my coffee like I like my women. Strong and Black.
Post by: Username on July 17, 2019, 11:02:41 AM
In Hawaii?Yep. Couple hundred trees (or bushes or whatever it grows on) on the Big Island. I've heard her coffee is really good.
I like my coffee like I like my women. Strong and Black.
Post by: Lucifer on July 17, 2019, 11:13:13 AM
In Hawaii?
I like my coffee like I like my women. Strong and Black.
Post by: Anthony on July 17, 2019, 11:18:58 AM
Yep. Couple hundred trees (or bushes or whatever it grows on) on the Big Island. I've heard her coffee is really good.
I'll bet! Kona is typically REALLY good stuff. It a shame you don't like coffee, but I bet it is still fun to visit!
Post by: Username on July 17, 2019, 11:37:44 AM
I'll bet! Kona is typically REALLY good stuff. It a shame you don't like coffee, but I bet it is still fun to visit!Wonderful to visit but not to stay there. She lives off the grid. Solar and wind power, catchment water, composting potty. No A/C. Just a little too rustic for us. We stay at the Hilton and drive down to visit. But more often she and her husband come up to stay with us and take advantage of the pool and room service. But it is pretty cool. LOTS of hard work. Her latest venture is growing cacao trees and making chocolate. THAT I can get behind. I suggested coca, but no.
Post by: Steingar on July 17, 2019, 11:53:19 AM
I cannot imagine anyone starting to drink coffee and continuing to do so absent strong societal pressure or addiction to the caffeine buzz. That said the fellow has a point. It could be that all those folks started liking coffee due to its vile flavor, just like you all seem to like Trump.
Post by: Lucifer on July 17, 2019, 11:55:22 AM
Post by: Username on July 17, 2019, 11:58:43 AM
That said the fellow has a point. It could be that all those folks started liking coffee due to its vile flavor, just like you all seem to like Trump.Come over to the dark side. Join us. You'll be much happier.
Post by: Anthony on July 17, 2019, 12:11:24 PM
It could be that all those folks started liking coffee due to its vile flavor, just like you all seem to like Trump.
Need attention? Injecting politics and Trump hate into a thread about coffee?
I like plain black, coffee of high quality. I have 1 - 1 1/2 cups per day and will occasionally not drink it for days with no ill effects or switch to Tea. I never drank coffee until I started working, and it was free, so what the heck, and then I began to like it. Just like fine Scotch or Bourbon which I never liked either.
Post by: Steingar on July 17, 2019, 12:13:29 PM
Come over to the dark side. Join us. You'll be much happier.No how no way never ever. Mrs. Steingar can do nothing in the morning without her fix. I am even very parsimonious about my intake of those energy drinks. I could get hooked really easily, I see how it is. I drink at most one a week, usually just before a large slug of housework or yard duty. I'll probably quaff my next one when I goto wash the airplane.
My drinking is bad enough, I don't need another albatross around my neck. And another example of something I would never touch were it not for the pharmacological effects. Like Anthony I like good booze. I suspect i like it a little too much.
Post by: Anthony on July 17, 2019, 12:22:01 PM
Like Anthony I like good booze. I suspect i like it a little too much.
I said I liked it. I didn't say I typically drink it. I haven't had hard liquor in years, and drink very little wine, or beer these days.
Heroine, cocaine, meth? Different story. :)
Post by: Steingar on July 17, 2019, 12:28:53 PM
I said I liked it. I didn't say I typically drink it. I haven't had hard liquor in years, and drink very little wine, or beer these days.
Heroine, cocaine, meth? Different story. :)
My recreational pharmaceutics are well behind me, and good riddance. I drink far too much in my own opinion. Besides, how do you know you like good booze if you haven't had any? People's tastes change over time.
Post by: Anthony on July 17, 2019, 12:42:04 PM
My recreational pharmaceutics are well behind me, and good riddance. I drink far too much in my own opinion. Besides, how do you know you like good booze if you haven't had any? People's tastes change over time.
I was kidding about the drugs. Never did them as a kid, or anytime in my life. Again, did you see the :)?
Even not having had hard liquor in a while, probably two years or so, I can bet I can still enjoy a good glass of scotch, or bourbon. If not? Oh well, no great loss.
Post by: Steingar on July 17, 2019, 12:51:37 PM
I was kidding about the drugs. Never did them as a kid, or anytime in my life. Again, did you see the :)?
Even not having had hard liquor in a while, probably two years or so, I can bet I can still enjoy a good glass of scotch, or bourbon. If not? Oh well, no great loss.
Got it. I lived with a drug dealer for a year in Southern California. It was an eventful year. I think it was really enjoyable too. I think. Yeah, I enjoy good booze, got lots at home. But I do want to slow down my drinking. A recent report in Science claims that lifestyle can overcome genetics with regard to dementia. I got dealt a shit hand vis a vis dementia, all my senior relatives have gotten it. Thankfully most lifestyle factors are way in my favor. If I can reduce my drinking I'll have a trifecta.
Post by: jb1842 on July 17, 2019, 12:51:56 PM
In Hawaii?
I like my coffee like I like my women. Strong and Black.
I like mine hot and wet..... But seriously, I hate all other forms of coffee unless the temp is hot and it's in liquid form.
Post by: Rush on July 17, 2019, 02:29:46 PM
No how no way never ever. Mrs. Steingar can do nothing in the morning without her fix. I am even very parsimonious about my intake of those energy drinks. I could get hooked really easily, I see how it is. I drink at most one a week, usually just before a large slug of housework or yard duty. I'll probably quaff my next one when I goto wash the airplane.
My drinking is bad enough, I don't need another albatross around my neck. And another example of something I would never touch were it not for the pharmacological effects. Like Anthony I like good booze. I suspect i like it a little too much.
You are absolutely right. I am an addict and I have two substances of choice: coffee and carbs. If I don't get my coffee, I have massive headaches in the PM, it's a physical addiction. But beyond that, when I first wake up in the morning, I'm virtually suicidal, that's how much I hate being awake and alive. I sit dazed and stunned sipping my steaming hot coffee. It's the only thing worth living for. I've been told watching me wake up in the morning is like watching death in reverse. Later in the day I'm a normal human. The morning mug is all I need for the day, but I can't give that up.
The carbs are another story. I struggle with that all the time. When I'm good I am paleo, keto, or almost carnivore. But I slip back into the sweets and starches way too much and this puts me at risk for type 2 diabetes.
I plead the 5th on recreational pharmaceuticals. I was in college in the 70s and I'm a bit adventuresome, let's just leave it at that. IF I did anything illegal, not saying I did, but IF I did, it is well behind me too and never "hooked" me at all. I did smoke regular tobacco cigarettes from time to time, that never "took" as a habit either, in fact, I developed a severe allergy to smoke.
Alcohol also is something I seem immune to becoming addicted to. I drink from time to time but very sparingly and it seems to make me feel bad. 30 minutes of good and 12 hours of bad, so I avoid alcohol. Same with prescription painkillers, the doctors have given me those and I can take them or leave them. They are good for medical purposes but they don't seduce me like birthday cake... and Corso's Cookies... and my homemade tart cherry pie... and my Perfect Cupcakes... and butter pecan ice cream... and Sno Balls for heaven's sake...
But back to your point, oh yeah, this:
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Got it. I lived with a drug dealer for a year in Southern California. It was an eventful year. I think it was really enjoyable too. I think. Yeah, I enjoy good booze, got lots at home. But I do want to slow down my drinking. A recent report in Science claims that lifestyle can overcome genetics with regard to dementia. I got dealt a shit hand vis a vis dementia, all my senior relatives have gotten it. Thankfully most lifestyle factors are way in my favor. If I can reduce my drinking I'll have a trifecta.
Agree completely, genetics and lifestyle. My husband and I both have parents with varying types of dementia and we are trying to avoid it in ourselves with lifestyle changes. Minimizing alcohol can't hurt and may help avoid it, and we are both on B12 supplements and other micronutrients that seem associated with dementia. We are being told by several of our doctors that we should keep our B12 up around 1000. The labs say anything over 200 is "normal" but the thinking now is that might be too low.
Post by: Lucifer on July 17, 2019, 02:42:16 PM
Proof that alcohol and drugs won’t kill you.
Post by: Anthony on July 17, 2019, 02:45:33 PM
Keith Richards is alive and well.
Proof that alcohol and drugs won’t kill you.
That's not Keith Richard. He was killed in the same car accident as Paul. You should know that from playing Sergeant Pepper backwards.
Post by: nddons on July 17, 2019, 02:52:34 PM
when I first wake up in the morning, I'm virtually suicidal, that's how much I hate being awake and alive. I sit dazed and stunned sipping my steaming hot coffee. It's the only thing worth living for. I've been told watching me wake up in the morning is like watching death in reverse.
Thank you. If I was sipping coffee right now I would have spit it up on my phone. That last sentence is damned funny.
Post by: bflynn on July 17, 2019, 05:52:11 PM
Pilots will argue about anything including what constitutes arguing.
No we don’t. You’ve got it all wrong.
Post by: Anthony on July 17, 2019, 06:13:28 PM
No we don’t. You’ve got it all wrong.
I agree. You're wrong.
Post by: nddons on July 17, 2019, 06:46:59 PM
I agree. You're wrong.You’re wrong, and I’ve had just about enough of being treated like crap. I’m taking my ball and going home.
Post by: Number7 on July 17, 2019, 07:47:37 PM
You’re wrong, and I’ve had just about enough of being treated like crap. I’m taking my ball and going home.
I’m offended by your insensitivity. That makes you a r@cist!
Post by: nddons on July 17, 2019, 08:15:26 PM
I’m offended by your insensitivity. That makes you a r@cist!Halliburton! Koch Brothers! Fox News!
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on July 18, 2019, 03:56:35 AM
Halliburton! Koch Brothers! Fox News!
TRUMP!!
Post by: Number7 on July 18, 2019, 04:57:54 AM
TRUMP!!
SQUIRREL!!!
Post by: Rush on July 18, 2019, 05:04:59 AM
SQUIRREL!!!
No matter how hard I try I can’t pronounce it like she does.
Post by: Steingar on July 18, 2019, 05:23:50 AM
Keith Richards is alive and well.As of this writing Keith Richards is 76. He looks like he's 96.
Proof that alcohol and drugs won’t kill you.
Post by: Anthony on July 18, 2019, 05:29:00 AM
As of this writing Keith Richards is 76. He looks like he's 96.
I remember years ago when he was still a Heroine addict that he would get regular blood transfusions. I would imagine at this point in his life he no longer puts narcotics into his body unless it is prescribed for whatever procedure he's had done.
I saw the Stones in 1977. I thought they were old then!
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on July 18, 2019, 07:01:29 AM
Come over to the dark side. Join us. You'll be much happier.
I’ve said before and will say it again ... Steingar has a conservative inside him struggling to get out! It’s painful to see him try so hard to keep it from breaking free.
Post by: Steingar on July 18, 2019, 07:55:29 AM
I’ve said before and will say it again ... Steingar has a conservative inside him struggling to get out! It’s painful to see him try so hard to keep it from breaking free.
To a large degree. I am a very firm firearms rights supporter, at least so long as the data holds that most firearm victims are associates of firearm owners or the owners themselves. Still, a conservative viewpoint if ever there was one. I am very big into letting people be people, and I really dislike government poking its head into folks private lives. There I am at odds with modern conservatism.
Where I really break with modern conservatism is I don't believe at all in trickle down economics, I relegate that to the same dustbin as Grimms Fairy tales. I really don't think our socioeconomic problems are going to go away if we just ignore them, and I really think we shouldn't enforce our values in other lands. I think we should let others governs themselves as they see fit.
And I think the War on Drugs is and has been a disaster, and that we should look in another direction to solve our mounting substance abuse problems. I am almost entirely at odds with modern conservatism.
Trump isn't a conservative. The only conservative thing he's done (I think the only thing he's done) is that tax cut. I think most of his actions and verbiage is a betrayal of conservative values.
Post by: Anthony on July 18, 2019, 08:01:10 AM
To a large degree. I am a very firm firearms rights supporter, at least so long as the data holds that most firearm victims are associates of firearm owners or the owners themselves.
The crime data supports that victims of violence by people using a firearm are by those that possess them ILLEGALLY and are already prohibited from legal ownership due to their criminal record. Law abiding citizens that own guns legally are not causing the crime and violence. So, again you're WRONG.
Suicide should not be counted in gun violence statistics as those people would just overdose, or kill themselves by other means.
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And I think the War on Drugs is and has been a disaster, and that we should look in another direction to solve our mounting substance abuse problems. I am almost entirely at odds with modern conservatism.
Totally agree as do many conservatives and libertarians.
Post by: Little Joe on July 18, 2019, 08:44:55 AM
You’re wrong, and I’ve had just about enough of being treated like crap. I’m taking my ball and going home.Who says it's your ball? Somebody else made that ball and you appropriated it with the proceeds of your white privilege.
Post by: Steingar on July 18, 2019, 08:47:45 AM
The crime data supports that victims of violence by people using a firearm are by those that possess them ILLEGALLY and are already prohibited from legal ownership due to their criminal record. Law abiding citizens that own guns legally are not causing the crime and violence. So, again you're WRONG.
I'm sorry, you will have to provide data outside of conservative media outlets to convince me of this. I've been watching these trends for a long time. For the last decade and a half roughly 50% of all firearm deaths have been suicides. For the rest, the vast majority are people killing people they know. The scenario where a criminal goes on a rampage is the outlier. Most people killed by firearms are killed by familiars. Were it not so I would not be as passionate a supporter of firearm rights.
Suicide should not be counted in gun violence statistics as those people would just overdose, or kill themselves by other means.That is a supposition with no supporting data of any kind.
Post by: Anthony on July 18, 2019, 08:48:47 AM
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on July 18, 2019, 09:01:59 AM
That is a supposition with no supporting data of any kind.
I believe that if you look at Japan, you might find some data that supports Anthony's position. In Japan, firearm ownership is rare. Not surprisingly firearms are used in very few suicides in Japan. However, compare the suicide rate in Japan vs the US.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on July 18, 2019, 09:08:36 AM
And those numbers are completely dwarfed by the number of times a firearm is used for target shooting and hunting (orders of magnitude).
Post by: Steingar on July 18, 2019, 09:17:14 AM
oh btw - wrt firearms. Ya'all might want to compare the number of times a firearm is used for self-defense to the number of times a firearm is used to kill someone. Even if you include suicides, defensive uses of a firearm far exceed the number of times a firearm is used to kill someon.Bob, I truly wish I could. I would love to be able to look at that data, I truly would. I have from time to time gone looking for it. Estimates on defensive use of firearms vary by several orders of magnitude depending on who's making them.
And those numbers are completely dwarfed by the number of times a firearm is used for target shooting and hunting (orders of magnitude).
That said, the vast majority of non suicide firearm deaths are people known to the shooters. I suppose it is possible that people are shooting their friends and relatives in self defense. However, the number where someone kills another unknown to them is in the vast minority. This according to both the CDC and the FBI.
Post by: Little Joe on July 18, 2019, 09:52:54 AM
\ the vast majority of non suicide firearm deaths are people known to the shooters.Otherwise known as "black on black" crime. It is one of the trends that we as a society need to reverse.
Post by: Anthony on July 18, 2019, 10:16:03 AM
Bob, I truly wish I could. I would love to be able to look at that data, I truly would. I have from time to time gone looking for it. Estimates on defensive use of firearms vary by several orders of magnitude depending on who's making them.
That said, the vast majority of non suicide firearm deaths are people known to the shooters. I suppose it is possible that people are shooting their friends and relatives in self defense. However, the number where someone kills another unknown to them is in the vast minority. This according to both the CDC and the FBI.
You're wrong YET AGAIN.
http://www.pilotspin.com/index.php?topic=3631.0
Post by: Lucifer on July 18, 2019, 10:55:11 AM
As of this writing Keith Richards is 76. He looks like he's 96.
He’s healthier than you, far smarter than you, and wealthier than you.
And his contributions to music will live on for decades, if not centuries.
You’ll be forgotten a week after they bury you.
Post by: Steingar on July 18, 2019, 11:12:46 AM
You're wrong YET AGAIN.Not in terms of raw numbers, not even close.
http://www.pilotspin.com/index.php?topic=3631.0
Post by: Rush on July 18, 2019, 11:13:06 AM
I’ve said before and will say it again ... Steingar has a conservative inside him struggling to get out! It’s painful to see him try so hard to keep it from breaking free.
I was going to respond to this and suggest he has a libertarian inside struggling to get out, not a conservative, and I think this pretty much confirms it:
To a large degree. I am a very firm firearms rights supporter, at least so long as the data holds that most firearm victims are associates of firearm owners or the owners themselves. Still, a conservative viewpoint if ever there was one.
It is an originalist constitutional viewpoint actually. But yes, thought of as conservative these days.
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I am very big into letting people be people, and I really dislike government poking its head into folks private lives. There I am at odds with modern conservatism.
Agree. Liberals and libertarians take this position when it comes to social issues, what you do with your body directly. But if you believe this completely, why do you not apply this principle to people's financial lives? Is not your bank balance your private business? Liberals favor redistribution of wealth, but taxes (taking your money) is exactly the same thing as making you work for someone else. If that isn't directly controlling what you do with your body and mind, nothing is.
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Where I really break with modern conservatism is I don't believe at all in trickle down economics, I relegate that to the same dustbin as Grimms Fairy tales. I really don't think our socioeconomic problems are going to go away if we just ignore them,
"Trickle down economics" is a mischaracterization of supply side economics and very unfairly hung on republican tax cut policies. What really drives the economy and increases the wealth of those at the bottom is loosening of regulations, as well as lowering taxes for the middle class. The extent to which tax cuts for the rich help the bottom is when it keeps companies and their money in the U.S.
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and I really think we shouldn't enforce our values in other lands. I think we should let others governs themselves as they see fit.
We used to do a good job of this; defeating Germany and Japan resulted in both nations becoming strong democracies; we did not "force" ourselves on them. But the horrible results of Korea, Vietnam and the middle east now has me agreeing with you; let's just stay out of these countries if we can't have a decisive and positive result.
The caveat however is who will fill the vacuum? For example, we aren't messing around in Africa much. Guess who is? China. They're getting their hooks in, financially and culturally. Do we really want all of Africa, as it enters the modern age, to be an ally of China, and not very friendly to us? I don't know the answer.
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And I think the War on Drugs is and has been a disaster, and that we should look in another direction to solve our mounting substance abuse problems. I am almost entirely at odds with modern conservatism.
Conservatives used to be all about the War on Drugs back when I was young, but I'm not sure about now. I think some conservatives are rightly seeing that it's just not working. I agree 1000% with you that the WoD is a complete disaster. It has actually resulted in a large appropriations of money going to government and private prison system which is opposite to conservative values, with no results. It would be different if it worked, but it's not. I'm hoping that as these facts become more and more obvious, conservatives who still believe in the WoD will see the light on this issue. Just like the War on Poverty, it is a massive government program and a massive failure.
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Trump isn't a conservative. The only conservative thing he's done (I think the only thing he's done) is that tax cut. I think most of his actions and verbiage is a betrayal of conservative values.
I agree with you he is not a conservative, I've seen that from the start. He is doing some conservative things, like the tax cuts, and trying to enforce our borders. He used to be pro-choice and now claims to be pro-life. My personal opinion is he probably is able to be whatever he needs to be in service of his project, and right now his "project" is to be the most effective and memorable President this country has ever known. He has figured out that the way to do that is to do what he is doing, so he's doing it. I don't know if that makes sense, but it makes more sense to me than to believe he sincerely holds conservative values. I think he genuinely believes in this country as far as capitalism goes, and so is genuinely opposed to the progressive left in that respect. But no I don't buy that he's a social conservative at all.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on July 18, 2019, 11:27:21 AM
Estimates on defensive use of firearms vary by several orders of magnitude depending on who's making them.
That is simply not true. Estimates of defensive use of firearms range for a laughable low of about 117,000 times annually to a high of ~2 million times per year. Let's see, that's one order of magnitude. Hardly "several".
btw - the low number doesn't include times a firearm is used but no shots are fired. Which is completely ludicrous. If a guy comes at me with a knife, yelling at me to "I'm going to kill ya", I show him my carry gun, and he runs away. That's a defensive use. In fact, that's a pretty good use. Not having to shoot someone is always a good thing.
Another btw - even that laugable low of 117,000 is an order of magnitude higher than times a firearm is used to kill someone.
Post by: Anthony on July 18, 2019, 11:39:30 AM
Not in terms of raw numbers, not even close.
Oh, so no specifics, no data, no meaningful response. Where's your data? Where's your study ? I posted one from your "Odin", CNN. Where's yours?
You can't produce one because you're wrong, speak in hyperbole and straw men, and can't back up your statements because they just aren't true.
Post by: nddons on July 18, 2019, 11:42:09 AM
Not in terms of raw numbers, not even close.So using raw numbers for the 3rd most populated country on the globe is more valid for comparison purposes than using rates?
Do you ever stop trying to move the goalposts to try to make your arguments?