PILOT SPIN
Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: Anthony on August 07, 2019, 05:31:20 AM
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The Democrat Presidential candidates, other Democrats, and the Media are blaming Trump for the recent mass shootings. Is it his fault?
Acting White House chief of staff Mick Mulvaney said that no politician, including President Donald Trump, was to blame for shootings like those in El Paso, Texas, and Dayton, Ohio, which left at least 29 people dead this weekend.
As Democratic presidential candidates point the finger at the president's divisive rhetoric, Mulvaney said on ABC's "This Week" that the suspect who allegedly killed 20 people at a Walmart in El Paso appeared to have been motivated by beliefs he harbored before Trump became president.
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/crazy-people-carry-shootings-guns-mulvaney/story?id=64744298
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/08/29-killed-mass-shootings-13-hours-190804150153352.html
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Nope.
Conman BHO even jumped in and tried to blame Trump, and Trump promptly reminded him of the mass shootings that happened under his administration and that OBAMA DID NOTHING.
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Nope.
Conman BHO even jumped in and tried to blame Trump, and Trump promptly reminded him of the mass shootings that happened under his administration and that OBAMA DID NOTHING.
Obama is a piece of sh*t. I can't stand him and he's lowered the ex-Presidency to a horrid standard. He is the first ex-President to be actively involved in only negative commentary about the opposing party Trump, and the Republicans. Even fat ass Michelle gets in on the act, which I believe is also a first, except for Hillary who became an active politician, so that doesn't count.
The Democrats have no standards. Many talk about how bad Trump is for his statements. Have you looked at what the Democrats, and their supporters say about Trump, and White American Citizens that aren't far left progressive bobble heads?
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Obama is a piece of sh*t. I can't stand him and he's lowered the ex-Presidency to a horrid standard. He is the first ex-President to be actively involved in only negative commentary about the opposing party Trump, and the Republicans. Even fat ass Michelle gets in on the act, which I believe is also a first, except for Hillary who became an active politician, so that doesn't count.
The Democrats have no standards. Many talk about how bad Trump is for his statements. Have you looked at what the Democrats, and their supporters say about Trump, and White American Citizens that are far left progressive bobble heads?
Projection.
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BLIND Liberal communists (democrats), have little to no concept of reality in the modern age. Between their parents never permitting them to strive for excellence, which is how the whole participation trophy garbage came about, to schools that refuse to allow children to keep score, or appoint the best student valedictorian, to colleges full of outright lying, assholes, with a communist agenda combined with a searing hatred for their parents, even though those parents gave them everything, children grow up with nothing to hold onto that even hints at integrity, honesty, sincerity, or personal responsibility.
The education cabal is nothing but a hot bed of crooked unions forcing parents to fund their the union dreams of power and importance.
Their party is nothing but lying, criminals who specialize in mental illness and projection, combined with an unhealthy obsession with committing violence against anyone that dares to tell the truth.
the media is a sick montage of the prior three and works at the beck and call of their true master, soros.
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The Democrats are DESPERATE to regain the White House. They will say and do anything to make this happen, including importing ILLEGALS to vote, and turn more states, like Texas, Blue.
The Russia hoax, and coup attempt failed. They were banking on that, with the Media's help, to impeach Trump or force his resignation. Now, they are relying on painting Trump as a Racist, and now responsible for mass shootings, and murders due to their twisting of some of the statements he's made.
Yet the Democrats that run every city that has huge Black on Black inner city murder where multiple felons use hand guns to kill, get a PASS. This is the double standard, and hypocrisy we must endure from the Democrats, and the Media.
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Just more of the Democrats working themselves into a frenzy. If they work hard enough and long enough, they'll convince themselves that he and anyone who supports him is a such a danger to the US that any action is justified to stop him.
Not unlike what I saw 5 years ago when Republicans were absolutely sure that Obama was going to declare martial law and remain president, but republicans didn't have the media on their side to create a positive feedback loop.
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Not unlike what I saw 5 years ago when Republicans were absolutely sure that Obama was going to declare martial law and remain president, but republicans didn't have the media on their side to create a positive feedback loop.
I never thought Obama was going to do that, nor did anyone I knew at the time. I didn't see any Republican politicians saying that either. However, I do see most of the Democrat candidates, the Media (same thing) and other Democrat politicians saying Trump is a racist, and responsible for mass shootings.
It seems like a night and day difference to me.
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Not unlike what I saw 5 years ago when Republicans were absolutely sure that Obama was going to declare martial law and remain president, but republicans didn't have the media on their side to create a positive feedback loop.
This is news to me... do you have a reference for this?
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This is news to me... do you have a reference for this?
I thought he might but I wasn’t “absolutely sure”. I can’t remember what made me think it.
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Not unlike what I saw 5 years ago when Republicans were absolutely sure that Obama was going to declare martial law and remain president, but republicans didn't have the media on their side to create a positive feedback loop.
Oh please. You’ve got to be shitting me. Did you scour Alex Jones website for that nugget, or hear it on Coast to Coast AM with all the other nut jobs who can’t sleep?
Not a single politician or main steam conservative commentator, or thinking conservative ever thought such bullshit.
The moral equivalency exercise that some people engage in to be able to claim that “both sides do it” is a joke. Sometimes one side is flat out wrong, and the other is flat out right.
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Oh please. You’ve got to be shitting me. Did you scour Alex Jones website for that nugget, or hear it on Coast to Coast AM with all the other nut jobs who can’t sleep?
Not a single politician or main steam conservative commentator, or thinking conservative ever thought such bullshit.
The moral equivalency exercise that some people engage in to be able to claim that “both sides do it” is a joke. Sometimes one side is flat out wrong, and the other is flat out right.
So bflynn is wrong in his assertion because you are personally unaware of anyone in your subset of conservatives who are "main stream" or "thinking" types who were that paranoid? Um, yeah. I remember when the subject came up. Just because I (or you) thought it bunk doesn't mean jack shit. Just remember there are conspiracy theorists under every rock and political stripe. ;)
A web search using the keywords "obama declare martial law" certainly yields a fair number of hits, including a video. For example:
Someone actually used change.org to promote a petition calling on Obama to declare martial law to void the 2016 election (it got all of 269 supporters):
https://www.change.org/p/president-barack-obama-president-obama-declare-martial-law-until-the-election-investigation-is-complete (https://www.change.org/p/president-barack-obama-president-obama-declare-martial-law-until-the-election-investigation-is-complete)
News articles:
https://www.commdiginews.com/politics-2/ben-carson-might-obama-cancel-the-2016-election-28523/ (https://www.commdiginews.com/politics-2/ben-carson-might-obama-cancel-the-2016-election-28523/)
https://www.ibtimes.com/will-obama-declare-martial-law-keep-trump-out-white-house-conspiracy-theorists-think-2444721 (https://www.ibtimes.com/will-obama-declare-martial-law-keep-trump-out-white-house-conspiracy-theorists-think-2444721)
And at least one surviving video (not many views, but I do recall seeing similar fearful rants at the time - just because "main stream" types didn't engage in it doesn't mean jack):
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I never thought Obama was going to do that, nor did anyone I knew at the time. I didn't see any Republican politicians saying that either. However, I do see most of the Democrat candidates, the Media (same thing) and other Democrat politicians saying Trump is a racist, and responsible for mass shootings.
It seems like a night and day difference to me.
Google: obama "declare martial law" -trump
Free Republic
dailykos
rightwingwatch.org
centralteaparty
buzzfeed
conservativetruth
even Politico talked about it.
They were out there. Democrats started the same way, but MSM have picked up the idea and is echoing it from time to time. That creates more Democrats who get concerned about until the nut cases convince themselves that it will really happen.
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Very soon the media will lose their grip on the lies about the Dayton shooter. It will be painful but necessary for America to discover that the psycho killer is the first ANTIFA mass murderer and that will hurt the far left assholes far more than the media and communist (democrats) lies about the President of the United States, Donald J. Trump - still not hilary.
When the communist (democrat) media deliberately Changed the El Paso shooter’s voter ID to republican and covered up the anti Trump social media posts of the Ohio shooter, they opened t(e door to being outed as the LIARS they’ve become and the lengths their apologists will go to in order to facilitate the lies of their beloved commie brethren by omission, lies, fraud and cover up.
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Very soon the media will lose their grip on the lies about the Dayton shooter. It will be painful but necessary for America to discover that the psycho killer is the first ANTIFA mass murderer and that will hurt the far left assholes far more than the media and communist (democrats) lies about the President of the United States, Donald J. Trump - still not hilary.
When the communist (democrat) media deliberately Changed the El Paso shooter’s voter ID to republican and covered up the anti Trump social media posts of the Ohio shooter, they opened t(e door to being outed as the LIARS they’ve become and the lengths their apologists will go to in order to facilitate the lies of their beloved commie brethren by omission, lies, fraud and cover up.
Yeah, wake me up when the media “loses its grip.” And when it becomes apparent to all that they’re lying, not just to those of us who watch actual speeches and read actual tweets instead of imbibing lies about the speaker or writer.
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The traditional (communist democrat) media are hemorrhaging money and viewers.
Their brutal lies about the shooters are being unwound and our President has helped unwind the liars more than anything, or anyone who is whining about taking his twitter feed away are doing so because they know it.
As the truth about the two democrat shooters comes out, which is inevitable, their grip on the narrative and the message will be further eroded, but by a lot, not a little.
The fucking communist (democrat) party won’t be able to hide behind the lies in the headlines and the louder they lie, the less effective those lies become.
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Who is to blame for violence?
https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/the-hunt-movie-deplorables
How about Universal, who made a serious movie about Leftists hunting Trump supporters for sport. No, that isn’t code for something else going on, that is what the movie is about.
Out of sensitivity to recent shootings, they are reconsidering release. I could not make this up.
Unrealistic. It is well known that Leftists cannot touch a gun or they will melt down.
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So bflynn is wrong in his assertion because you are personally unaware of anyone in your subset of conservatives who are "main stream" or "thinking" types who were that paranoid? Um, yeah. I remember when the subject came up. Just because I (or you) thought it bunk doesn't mean jack shit. Just remember there are conspiracy theorists under every rock and political stripe. ;)
A web search using the keywords "obama declare martial law" certainly yields a fair number of hits, including a video. For example:
Someone actually used change.org to promote a petition calling on Obama to declare martial law to void the 2016 election (it got all of 269 supporters):
https://www.change.org/p/president-barack-obama-president-obama-declare-martial-law-until-the-election-investigation-is-complete (https://www.change.org/p/president-barack-obama-president-obama-declare-martial-law-until-the-election-investigation-is-complete)
News articles:
https://www.commdiginews.com/politics-2/ben-carson-might-obama-cancel-the-2016-election-28523/ (https://www.commdiginews.com/politics-2/ben-carson-might-obama-cancel-the-2016-election-28523/)
https://www.ibtimes.com/will-obama-declare-martial-law-keep-trump-out-white-house-conspiracy-theorists-think-2444721 (https://www.ibtimes.com/will-obama-declare-martial-law-keep-trump-out-white-house-conspiracy-theorists-think-2444721)
And at least one surviving video (not many views, but I do recall seeing similar fearful rants at the time - just because "main stream" types didn't engage in it doesn't mean jack):
You’re seriously asking if bflynn was wrong when he said “...Republicans were absolutely sure that Obama was going to declare martial law and remain president...”? Yea, he was flat out wrong, with a little hyperbole thrown in for good measure.
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Interesting article about the El Paso shooter.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/columnists/has-anyone-actually-read-the-el-paso-manifesto
"My ideology has not changed for several years," Crusius wrote. "My opinions on automation, immigration, and the rest predate Trump and his campaign for president. I [am] putting this here because some people will blame the President or certain presidential candidates for the attack. This is not the case. I know that the media will probably call me a white supremacist anyway and blame Trump's rhetoric. The media is infamous for fake news. Their reaction to this attack will likely just confirm that."
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The "Obama will declare martial law, and stay in office", message was NOT a popular theme among conservatives, Republicans, etc. Of course, it may have been out there, but was not promoted as a realistic issue. I have heard.
Obama is Gay
Michelle is a Man
Obama and Michelle have a Gay/Lesbian/Weird relationship with Valerie Jarrett
All believable, I might add. :)
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Interesting article about the El Paso shooter.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/columnists/has-anyone-actually-read-the-el-paso-manifesto
OBVIOUSLY this article is a hoax.
Just getting in before azure shows up to rationalize and spin the facts away.
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OBVIOUSLY this article is a hoax.
Just getting in before azure shows up to rationalize and spin the facts away.
Obviously you didn't notice that I "like"d Eppy's post... ::)
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https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2019/08/the_real_cause_of_the_shootings.html
Intersting ideas in here...the Left is being cruel by trying to be nice. 2/3 of shooters have mental illness and it was usually known, but nobody wanted to say something.
Had a revelation this morning as I talked with others about mass shootings/killings. Yesterday a guy in California went on a rampage with knife and killed 4 people. The people on the left said "thank goodness. if he'd had a gun, it would have been 10 people." The people on the right said "how horrible that he committed violence."
The left is solving the wrong problem.
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Had a revelation this morning as I talked with others about mass shootings/killings. Yesterday a guy in California went on a rampage with knife and killed 4 people. The people on the left said "thank goodness. if he'd had a gun, it would have been 10 people." The people on the right said "how horrible that he committed violence."
The left is solving the wrong problem.
The Left, the Media, and the Democrats (all the same thing) can not blame the INDIVIDAUL as they hate accountability and responsibility. It can't be the person, it has to be the GUN. Why? We don't blame the car when someone dies in a traffic accident, nor the pool, or tub when someone drowns.
The reason they demonize the gun is that they do not want law abiding citizens to be legally armed. The end game is a disarmed, totally dependent, and controllable populace.
Maybe about fifteen or twenty years ago I noticed that the media switched from talking about "Gang Violence", and changed it to "GUN Violence", to describe the thousands of inner city Black, on Black murders, often related to gangs, and drugs.
The few days after the most recent mass shooting saw more than thirty people killed in cities across the country. Nobody cares about that. It's the deranged, White Trump supporters that are the real problem.
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Maybe this is a fun way to blow their minds. If Donald Trump went on a shooting spree, would it be his fault of the fault of the gun?