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Title: “Climate Change” Is A Hoax
Post by: Lucifer on September 09, 2019, 06:55:39 AM
https://townhall.com/columnists/kurtschlichter/2019/09/09/climate-change-is-a-hoax-n2552748

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I hate science, evidently, because I’m woke to the manifest truth about what the leftist elite currently calls “climate change." It is the second most staggering fraud ever perpetrated upon the American people after the media’s promotion of the unstoppable candidacy of Beto (who is a furry). Like some suckers still do, I once believed that “science” was a rigorous process where you tested theories and revised those theories in response to objective evidence. But in today’s shabby practice, “science” is just a package of self-serving lies buttressing the transnational liberal elite’s preferred narrative. Our alleged betters hope that labeling their propaganda “science” will science-shame you into silence about what everyone knows is a scam.

Nah. “Climate change” is a hoax. Come arrest me for felony denial.

Understand that the term “climate change” does not refer to actual meteorological phenomena but, rather, to the sordid rat-king of lies, scams and power grabs that we are commanded to accept as pagan gospel lest we burn to a crisp or drown or suffer...whatever the Armageddon du jour is. When you say “climate change is a grift,” and you should as often as possible, you are pointing out that this green-on-the-outside/red-on-the-inside fake frenzy is really just a set of intertwined grifts transparently designed to separate you from your freedom and your property in the name of somehow adjusting the weather.
Title: Re: “Climate Change” Is A Hoax
Post by: Number7 on September 09, 2019, 07:25:01 AM
You know that the leftist religion is a fraud by how outraged and vicious they act whenever their holy word is challenged, questioned, or proven wrong.
Title: Re: “Climate Change” Is A Hoax
Post by: Anthony on September 09, 2019, 07:41:17 AM
Yet the Democrat's "solution" to this non-problem is bans and restrictions, more taxes, upon other taxes, and restrictions on YOUR lifestyle while the elite are not affected.  They want to destroy the fossil fuel industry when we have centuries of supply and finding more all the time.  We may need to use this resource for a VERY long time, yet they want to destroy it.  Madness.
Title: Re: “Climate Change” Is A Hoax
Post by: bflynn on September 09, 2019, 08:53:17 AM
If you want to infuriate them with their own ignorance, ask them - Absent mankind, what SHOULD the temperature be?  They can't answer that because the science isn't settled enough to know it.
Title: Re: “Climate Change” Is A Hoax
Post by: Number7 on September 09, 2019, 11:25:50 AM
If you want to infuriate them with their own ignorance, ask them - Absent mankind, what SHOULD the temperature be?  They can't answer that because the science isn't settled enough to know it.

I did that exact thing I ne day relevantly, to an angry, self-righteous, lecturing, progressive. And the shocked silence that followed was laughingly, stunning.

When asked, “OK. what SHOULD the temperature of planet Earth be, instead of what you are claiming is too high?” The poor idiot stammer3d around and reverted to calling me anti-science and racist.
Title: Re: “Climate Change” Is A Hoax
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on September 09, 2019, 05:12:26 PM
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Title: Re: “Climate Change” Is A Hoax
Post by: Lucifer on September 13, 2019, 03:42:53 PM
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Title: Re: “Climate Change” Is A Hoax
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on September 13, 2019, 03:47:58 PM
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Title: Re: “Climate Change” Is A Hoax
Post by: azure on September 14, 2019, 08:52:39 AM
Last night my department chair sent around an email saying the Dean needs to know how many of us are going to encourage our classes to participate in the so-called Climate Strike next Friday. That weekend is Homecoming and is expected to be the biggest in the institution's history (it's our bicentennial year). He wants to know so that he can defend - or tout - faculty who participate, depending on which alumni he is talking to.

My physics class has an exam that day. Needless to say I'm not participating, and if any of my students do, they get an F.
Title: Re: “Climate Change” Is A Hoax
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on September 14, 2019, 10:49:57 AM
Last night my department chair sent around an email saying the Dean needs to know how many of us are going to encourage our classes to participate in the so-called Climate Strike next Friday. That weekend is Homecoming and is expected to be the biggest in the institution's history (it's our bicentennial year). He wants to know so that he can defend - or tout - faculty who participate, depending on which alumni he is talking to.

My physics class has an exam that day. Needless to say I'm not participating, and if any of my students do, they get an F.

I'm confused.  Students are paying (or at least, Mommy and Daddy are paying) a considerable amount of money to attend class.  Why should the students punish themselves by striking?  Who does your dept furniture think is going to be punished by the strike?


Title: Re: “Climate Change” Is A Hoax
Post by: azure on September 14, 2019, 11:30:07 AM
I'm confused.  Students are paying (or at least, Mommy and Daddy are paying) a considerable amount of money to attend class.  Why should the students punish themselves by striking?  Who does your dept furniture think is going to be punished by the strike?

Dept furniture... I see what you did there. Not sure why you need to get snarky about it. Chair is the pretty universal gender neutral term today for what used to be called the "chairman". Besides, the chair guy wasn't advocating for anything, just passing along a message from the Dean, who may or may not approve but is expected to tow the line.

Anyway, I think you know that the idea is to draw attention to the "cause", not punish anyone. It's supposed to happen at colleges and universities across the country and get covered by the MSM. I suspect it started with Greta Thunberg.

BTW, PBS had an interview with Greta yesterday. She actually came across as articulate and intelligent. Intelligent enough that I suspect someday she'll come to realize that the "cause" she is putting all her energy into isn't as cut and dried as she thinks now.
Title: Re: “Climate Change” Is A Hoax
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on September 14, 2019, 11:42:00 AM
Dept furniture... I see what you did there. Not sure why you need to get snarky about it. Chair is the pretty universal gender neutral term today for what used to be called the "chairman".

yup, universal and quite ridiculous.


Anyway, I think you know that the idea is to draw attention to the "cause", not punish anyone. It's supposed to happen at colleges and universities across the country and get covered by the MSM. I suspect it started with Greta Thunberg.

Drawing attention to a "cause" is one thing.  Going on strike is something else.  But, perhaps I don't understand what the "strike" will consist of.  If the "strike" will involve skipping class(es), then it is a really stupid way to draw attention.

Title: Re: “Climate Change” Is A Hoax
Post by: Username on September 14, 2019, 11:49:06 AM
Dept furniture... I see what you did there. Not sure why you need to get snarky about it. Chair is the pretty universal gender neutral term today for what used to be called the "chairman".
I like the term "department furniture."  Takes up space, doesn't really contribute anything, when it gets old it will be replaced by a newer model that also takes up space and doesn't contribute anything.
Title: Re: “Climate Change” Is A Hoax
Post by: azure on September 14, 2019, 12:55:38 PM
Drawing attention to a "cause" is one thing.  Going on strike is something else.  But, perhaps I don't understand what the "strike" will consist of.  If the "strike" will involve skipping class(es), then it is a really stupid way to draw attention.

Yeah, it is. So is the "cause" itself... as if getting people up in arms and ready for action is a good thing, when we really have no idea what action will solve the problem in the way that will cause the least damage to the economy. We don't even know what level of CO2 in the atmosphere will keep warming below 2 C, or 1.5, or any other number you care to name. Funny how that fact never comes up in discussions with climate activists.

So what's your point?
Title: Re: “Climate Change” Is A Hoax
Post by: azure on September 14, 2019, 12:59:49 PM
I like the term "department furniture."  Takes up space, doesn't really contribute anything, when it gets old it will be replaced by a newer model that also takes up space and doesn't contribute anything.

Actually, in a lot of departments, it's a rotating position that someone holds for x number of years, or until someone else wants to do it. But I think you knew that (unless I'm confusing you with someone else).

Our current guy is also very active in research, so it's not true that he doesn't contribute anything.
Title: Re: “Climate Change” Is A Hoax
Post by: Username on September 14, 2019, 01:12:09 PM
Actually, in a lot of departments, it's a rotating position that someone holds for x number of years, or until someone else wants to do it. But I think you knew that (unless I'm confusing you with someone else).

Our current guy is also very active in research, so it's not true that he doesn't contribute anything.
I hope you department provides a course reduction to make up for management duties.  That way productive researchers don't lose momentum.

I've been in a department that rotated department heads.  It guaranteed that the most productive teachers and/or researchers would have to take a break from actual work to deal with endless meetings.  Most professors dreaded their time in the barrel.  I really prefer to have a "professional" department head who wants the job and may actually be good at it.  If I wanted to be a manager I'd be out in the real world and would be able to tack a 0 on to the end of my salary.  Not worth it.
Title: Re: “Climate Change” Is A Hoax
Post by: azure on September 14, 2019, 01:17:33 PM
I hope you department provides a course reduction to make up for management duties.  That way productive researchers don't lose momentum.

I've been in a department that rotated department heads.  It guaranteed that the most productive teachers and/or researchers would have to take a break from actual work to deal with endless meetings.  Most professors dreaded their time in the barrel.  I really prefer to have a "professional" department head who wants the job and may actually be good at it.  If I wanted to be a manager I'd be out in the real world and would be able to tack a 0 on to the end of my salary.  Not worth it.

The college does provide a reduced teaching load for dept chairs. At my previous institution the chair position was basically permanent, not here though. I'd almost be willing to bet the current chair will step down in the next year or two for the reasons you say. He's too dedicated to his research to be happy doing this, and truth be told he's let his chair duties come second much of the time.

And no, I DEFINITELY do not want the job...
Title: Re: “Climate Change” Is A Hoax
Post by: Little Joe on September 14, 2019, 02:37:58 PM
Actually, in a lot of departments, it's a rotating position
Then perhaps it should be called a "Department Stool".   ;)
Title: Re: “Climate Change” Is A Hoax
Post by: Little Joe on September 14, 2019, 02:42:28 PM
As far as the title of the thread, I don't believe climate change is a hoax.

But I do believe all the political jousting is a hoax, and I think trying to place blame is a hoax and I think all the schemes to solve the problem are hoaxes.

But I do believe the climate is changing.  I wouldn't be surprised at all if in 30 years liberal chicken little starts running in circles yelling "The sea is falling, the sea is falling".  Especially if we as human beings attempt to "adjust" the climate.
Title: Re: “Climate Change” Is A Hoax
Post by: Mase on September 14, 2019, 03:36:54 PM
Hokes
Title: Re: “Climate Change” Is A Hoax
Post by: Username on September 15, 2019, 07:11:08 AM
The climate change nutbags are screaming that the desert southwest will be uninhabitable in a few years.  That may be true.  But what about the millions of acres of arctic Canada that are uninhabitable now that will be hugely productive farmland? The climate changes.  Get over it.  If you don't like the weather, move.  If you don't want your expensive vacation beach house flooded, move.  It was your choice to live there.  Don't expect me to pay for your mistake.
Title: Re: “Climate Change” Is A Hoax
Post by: Lucifer on September 15, 2019, 07:18:41 AM
Obviously Martha's Vineyard is now being excluded from the rising sea levels.

Them progressives have some amazing powers.
Title: Re: “Climate Change” Is A Hoax
Post by: bflynn on September 15, 2019, 07:21:26 AM
Is the desert Southwest inhabitable now?  It’s a DESERT.

Recently took an Alaskan cruise and had to endure near constant whining about glaciers melting, WHICH THEY HAVE BEEN DOING NATURALLY FOR 250 YEARS.  In 1750 we were in a “little ice age” and the earth has been getting warmer since. Before that it was getting colder.

But if you ask your average leftist “scientist”, they have no clue why and worse, don’t care that they don’t know.
Title: Re: “Climate Change” Is A Hoax
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on September 15, 2019, 07:36:10 AM
We took a cruise in late August to Alaska. I’ve concluded that lefties have to have someONE or someTHING to harp about and blame everything on. Sound familiar? For the first 71 years of his life, no one ever called Donald Trump racist. We used to all accept that climate changed, and did so naturally.

On the good news side, we met people on the cruise from all over the country. Most were conservatives and one said he worked in a job that helped people find jobs ... displaced, laid off, just out of jail, etc. He said employers are begging them for workers. If you can breathe, he said, he can get you a job, the economy is so good.

Go Trump.
Title: Re: “Climate Change” Is A Hoax
Post by: Rush on September 15, 2019, 08:16:25 AM
The climate change nutbags are screaming that the desert southwest will be uninhabitable in a few years.  That may be true.  But what about the millions of acres of arctic Canada that are uninhabitable now that will be hugely productive farmland? The climate changes.  Get over it.  If you don't like the weather, move.  If you don't want your expensive vacation beach house flooded, move.  It was your choice to live there.  Don't expect me to pay for your mistake.

That's right, like flynn says, it's DESERT.  Climate change has absolutely nothing to do with it. The problem is that way too many people insist on living there (more than the land can naturally support) and so we have provided water for them in unsustainable ways.  If technology isn't allowed to develop new, sustainable ways to supply water, yes they will have big problems.

The answer is not to force unreasonable conservation. In fact, the answer is the reverse. Let people demand huge amounts of water, and allow companies to charge market prices. The incentive to develop new technologies will be there, and the problem will be solved.

But they won't do that, because states have invented a non-existent "right to cheap water". No incentive for people NOT to live there and no incentive for companies to solve the problem.
Title: Re: “Climate Change” Is A Hoax
Post by: Little Joe on September 15, 2019, 08:27:55 AM
We don't have a global climate problem.  We have a global population problem.

I have read many (fictional) books over the years where some "monster" comes to that same conclusion and decides to do something about it.  They are all regarded as insane, or mad or "a monster".  I am usually on the monster's side.  We need to reduce world population back to around 2 billion people.  And NO, I won't cite any references as to why 2 billion.

I wonder how many votes that would attract?
Title: Re: “Climate Change” Is A Hoax
Post by: bflynn on September 15, 2019, 09:04:48 AM
We took a cruise in late August to Alaska.

We were on the Nieuw Amsterdam from 8/24 to 8/31.
Title: Re: “Climate Change” Is A Hoax
Post by: Lucifer on September 15, 2019, 09:06:12 AM
History takes care of population control.  Go back the past 1000 years and see how many have been removed.

And it will happen again.
Title: Re: “Climate Change” Is A Hoax
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on September 15, 2019, 09:15:15 AM
We were on the Nieuw Amsterdam from 8/24 to 8/31.
We were on the Eurodam those same dates, round trip from Seattle. We missed Ketchikan  because of engine repair delay in Sitka.

We have friends leaving today for a 14-day Viking river cruise. Will be interested to see how they like it!

I prefer ports to being on the ship for long stretches.
Title: Re: “Climate Change” Is A Hoax
Post by: Username on September 15, 2019, 09:27:08 AM
I've never been interested in the giant floating hotels.  The smaller few cabins on a freighter cruise seems more my style.  Although I'd be spending most of my time trying to get into the engine room or onto the bridge.
Title: Re: “Climate Change” Is A Hoax
Post by: bflynn on September 15, 2019, 09:40:53 AM
I saw the European on the map every day when I checked out position. Sorry you missed Ketchikan, I think it was the best port. We got rained on in Juneau. In Skagway, there was a rockslide on the white pass train tracks the day we were there.

But the beer was pretty good.
Title: Re: “Climate Change” Is A Hoax
Post by: Little Joe on September 15, 2019, 09:55:22 AM
I've never been interested in the giant floating hotels.  The smaller few cabins on a freighter cruise seems more my style.  Although I'd be spending most of my time trying to get into the engine room or onto the bridge.
We feel the same about the monster cruise ships.  We plan to take a small riverboat cruise up the Amazon for our 30th anniversary next year.  The boat holds about 20 people.  My wife has also heard about some small research vessels that will take on civilians for some volunteer work.  She knows some people our age that did that last year and had a great time.
Title: Re: “Climate Change” Is A Hoax
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on September 15, 2019, 10:01:20 AM
The captain’s presentation about the inner workings of the ship was a highlight for me. We’d been to Ketchikan on a previous cruise but the Alaska cruises don’t have many ports so the loss of one was really felt.

The Viking cruise ships are smaller and emphasize the European port experience, and the distances between ports are smaller. Their ships don’t have casinos and such, which we don’t patronize.

On the Eurodam, long stretches of open sea meant walking on the deck or reading. I got into a little habit of going to the Crow’s Nest for coffee nudges, but discovered I don’t really tolerate hard liquor very well. :o
Title: Re: “Climate Change” Is A Hoax
Post by: bflynn on September 15, 2019, 10:18:32 AM
We didn’t have the captains talk because a passenger was ill and being evacuated.  Having been in the Navy, the ship organization and the running of the ship was highly interesting to me.  We pulled into a small town where they lowered one of the lifeboats and drove him into port for the shore medical personnel to care for.  Far cheaper than a helicopter.

Was not thrilled with HAL. I felt like we were the youngest ones in board.
Title: Re: “Climate Change” Is A Hoax
Post by: Username on September 15, 2019, 10:20:40 AM
To drift the thread a little further, I'm looking at taking my wife to Vienna for our 25th anniversary.  Then the Orient Express to either London or Paris.  I figure that after all she's been through with her health she needs some first-class pampering and luxury.
Title: Re: “Climate Change” Is A Hoax
Post by: nddons on September 16, 2019, 08:48:06 AM
Last night my department chair sent around an email saying the Dean needs to know how many of us are going to encourage our classes to participate in the so-called Climate Strike next Friday. That weekend is Homecoming and is expected to be the biggest in the institution's history (it's our bicentennial year). He wants to know so that he can defend - or tout - faculty who participate, depending on which alumni he is talking to.

My physics class has an exam that day. Needless to say I'm not participating, and if any of my students do, they get an F.
Well done, Azure!