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Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: President-Elect Bob Noel on October 03, 2019, 04:04:33 AM
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In order to have a reasonable discussion of promises kept and broken, it would be helpful to agree on what promises President Trump made, yes?
Using politfact as a starting point, here is a start of a list
Take no salary
Instruct the Treasury Secretary to label China a currency manipulator.
Reverse obama's cube policy
Make no cuts to Medicare
Build a wall and make Mexico pay for it
Cancel all funding for "sanctury" cities
Get Congress to allow health insurance across State lines
Terminate Barack Obama's immigration executive orders 'immediately'
Establish a commission on radical Islam
.... and I'm running out of time at the moment. more to come.
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eliminate 2 old regulations for each new one.
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Individual and Corporate Income Tax Cuts
Strengthen the Military
Enforce immigration laws
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Repeal Obamacare
Tax cuts that don’t benefit the rich
Break up the large banks
Trillion dollar infrastructure project
Label China a currency manipulator
Rebuild the military - each had levels he was committed to
Eliminate the debt. He also promised to reduce the debt
Strong coal and steel industries
That last one is critical because if he can’t keep that, he has no chance of keeping voters in Pennsylvania and Michigan.
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Repeal Obamacare
Tax cuts that don’t benefit the rich
Break up the large banks
Trillion dollar infrastructure project
Label China a currency manipulator
Rebuild the military - each had levels he was committed to
Eliminate the debt. He also promised to reduce the debt
Strong coal and steel industries
Good list
That last one is critical because if he can’t keep that, he has no chance of keeping voters in Pennsylvania and Michigan.
I live in PA (although I have lived in other states) but steel and coal are not big players here anymore.
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Good list
I live in PA (although I have lived in other states) but steel and coal are not big players here anymore.
Problem with that list is someone has to understand basic civics.
Example, a president cannot repeal a law. Congress and the senate can repeal a law and send it to the president for a signature, but the president cannot do it on his own.
"Tax cuts that don't benefit the rich". Yea, good luck threading that needle. Again, a basic understanding of civics would enlighten that one.
"Trillion dollar infrastructure project". Again, basic civics.
"Reduce the debt". Actually he's been making cuts across the government, substantial cuts. However, congress controls the spending (see the constitution) and again, basic civics, one can see where the real problem lies.
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^^^^^Agree. The President is not a dictator, although the Media and Democrats accuse Trump of exactly that. Look at Obamacare for instance. ONE VOTE short of repeal! One! Yes, Trump took away the penalty but the law still stands.
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^^^^^Agree. The President is not a dictator, although the Media and Democrats accuse Trump of exactly that. Look at Obamacare for instance. ONE VOTE short of repeal! One! Yes, Trump took away the penalty but the law still stands.
Exactly. And that one vote? It was made by a guy who ran for re-election on the promise of repealing the ACA.
Oh, but now he's dead we can't bring that up........ ::)
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Exactly. And that one vote? It was made by a guy who ran for re-election on the promise of repealing the ACA.
Oh, but now he's dead we can't bring that up........ ::)
Effing McCain. What a tool. The thread title was a list of PROMISES, not accomplishments. So yeah Trump and all the others can make a lot of promises, but never really have the power to deliver. Thus my Obamacare example.
However, I do think Trump has delivered in several and is trying to deliver the rest. The WALL is being built. Is Mexico paying for it? Trump never said they would right us a check. They are paying for it through better trade deals, for us, and with the reduction in resource sucking ILLEGALS.
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• A hiring freeze on all federal employees to reduce the federal workforce through attrition (exempting military, public safety, and public health).
CHECK On his first full work day in the Oval Office, President Donald J. Trump made good on his campaign pledge by signing a score of executive actions, one of which places a hiring freeze on virtually all federal positions. It did not apply to the military or the intelligence community.
• A requirement that for every new federal regulation, two existing regulations must be eliminated.
CHECK President Trump signed an executive order in his second week of office requiring that for every new federal regulation implemented, two must be rescinded.
• A five-year ban on White House and Congressional officials becoming lobbyists after they leave government service.
CHECK The president ended his first week in office signing an executive order banning administration officials who leave government from lobbying those federal agencies for five years.
• A lifetime ban on White House officials lobbying on behalf of a foreign government.
CHECK Trump's order also includes a lifetime ban on administration officials working on behalf of a foreign government or political party.
• I will announce my intention to renegotiate NAFTA or withdraw from the deal under Article 2205.
CHECKNAFTA is now USMCA. On September 30, 2018, it was announced that the United States, Mexico, and Canada had come to an agreement to replace NAFTA with the United States–Mexico–Canada Agreement (USMCA).
• I will announce our withdrawal from the Trans-Pacific Partnership.
CHECK Donald J. Trump’s pledge to get the U.S. out of “bad trade deals” took a major step forward on the president’s first full work day, when he signed scores of executive actions including one that essentially kills any American involvement in the much-maligned and extremely controversial Trans-Pacific Partnership.
• I will direct the Secretary of Commerce and U.S. Trade Representative to identify all foreign trading abuses that unfairly impact American workers and direct them to use every tool under American and international law to end those abuses immediately.
CHECK – The president ordered the Commerce Secretary to begin a 60-day review of regulations for American manufacturers, with the aim of finding ways to speed up permitting and all federal processes for them.
– President Trump directed the Commerce Secretary to come up with a plan to ensure that all pipelines built or repaired in the United States be constructed with American-made materials “to the maximum extent possible.”
• I will lift the restrictions on the production of $50 trillion dollars’ worth of job-producing American energy reserves, including shale, oil, natural gas and clean coal.
CHECK President Trump issued an executive order instructing the EPA to begin the process of rescinding major parts of the Obama-era Clean Power Plan, which was a centerpiece of the Obama administration’s efforts to ensure the U.S. would be able to meet carbon emissions targets under the Paris Climate Accord (more on that later). Although the press portrayed this move as a way for Trump to keep his oft-stated campaign promise to save the coal industry, they missed the fact that the order contained almost as many benefits for the oil and gas industry as it did for the coal industry. Provisions beneficial to oil and gas included:• the rescission of the Obama administration’s “social cost of carbon” construct, which focused on carbon’s costs but not its gigantic benefits to U.S. society;
• the elimination of the Council on Environmental Quality’s guidance that all federal agencies consider climate change in every new regulatory or permitting action;
• the instruction to all relevant agencies to ‟review all existing regulations, orders, guidance documents, policies, and any other similar agency actions (collectively, agency actions) that potentially burden the development or use of domestically produced energy resources, with particular attention to oil, natural gas, coal, and nuclear energy resources”; and
• the instruction to the Secretary of the Interior to perform a review of regulations issued late in the Obama administration and make recommendations to “suspend, revise, or rescind the guidance, or publish for notice and comment proposed rules suspending, revising, or rescinding those rules,” an instruction that ultimately resulted in efforts by the DOI to rescind the BLM rules on venting and flaring and hydraulic fracturing.
Thus, the March 27 order related to the Clean Power Plan represented a 180-degree reversal from the regulatory direction taken by the Obama administration, not just toward the coal industry, but the oil and gas industry as well.
• Lift the Obama-Clinton roadblocks and allow vital energy infrastructure projects, like the Keystone Pipeline, to move forward.
CHECK President Donald Trump on his second full day in office signed executive orders advancing the controversial Keystone XL and Dakota Access pipelines.
• Cancel billions in payments to U.N. climate change programs and use the money to fix America’s water and environmental infrastructure.
CHECK President Trump said on June 1, 2017, “I am fighting everyday for the people of this country: therefore, in order to fulfill my duty to protect America and its citizens the United States will withdraw from the Paris Climate Accord.” Withdrawal from the Paris Climate Accord, an agreement within the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change (UNFCCC) also means ending the implementation of contributions to the Green Climate Fund, saving America $$Billions.
• Cancel every unconstitutional executive action, memorandum and order issued by President Obama.
He's canceled a bunch, not "every", but he's trying to keep his promise.
• Begin the process of selecting a replacement for Justice Scalia from one of the 20 judges on my list, who will uphold and defend the U.S. Constitution.
CHECK President Trump nominated 49-year-old federal appeals court judge Neil Gorsuch for the U.S. Supreme Court. He is a judge on the Denver-based 10th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals and was appointed to that post by Republican President George W. Bush in 2006. And... Kavanaugh. This list is outdated.
• Cancel all federal funding to sanctuary cities.
CHECK President Trump signed an executive order in his first week in office cutting off federal funding for sanctuary cities that willingly become havens for migrants in the country illegally, as well as expansion of detention space for migrants who have been caught and being shipped back to their home countries.
• Begin removing the more than two million criminal illegal immigrants from the country and cancel visas to foreign countries that won’t take them back.
CHECK Trump began this process by calling for the hiring of 5,000 additional border patrol officers and tripling the number of Immigration and Customs Enforcement officers. "We are going to get the bad ones out," he said of illegal immigrants who commit crime. "The day is over when they can stay in our country and wreak havoc."
• Suspend immigration from terror-prone regions where vetting cannot safely occur. All vetting of people coming into our country will be considered “extreme vetting.”
CHECK President Trump signed an executive order in his first week in office that calls for so-called "extreme vetting" of visa seekers from terror-plagued countries. "We are not admitting into the country the very threats our soldiers are fighting overseas," Trump said. "We only want to admit those into our country who will support our country and love deeply our people." The president’s order suspended entry of all refugees to the United States for 120 days, barred Syrian refugees indefinitely, and blocked entry into the United States for 90 days for citizens of seven predominantly Muslim countries: Iran, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Syria and Yemen.
• Middle Class Tax Relief and Simplification Act
CHECK Done and dusted.
• American Energy and Infrastructure Act
Leverages public-private partnerships, and private investments through tax incentives, to spur $1 trillion in infrastructure investment over ten years. It is revenue neutral.
He's trying to work on this one but need cooperation from the Democrats.
• School Choice and Education Opportunity Act
He proposed a voucher plan, so he's trying.
• Repeal and Replace Obamacare Act
He did his best, at least got the tax fine eliminated.
President Trump has begun the process of repealing Obamacare signing an executive order allowing all agency heads to waive requirements of the Affordable Care Act to the “maximum extent permitted by law.”
• Affordable Childcare and Eldercare Act
Allows Americans to deduct childcare and eldercare from their taxes, incentivizes employers to provide on-site childcare services and creates tax-free dependent care savings accounts for both young and elderly dependents, with matching contributions for low-income families. 2018 tax changes expanded child care credit, he did something at least
• End Illegal Immigration Act
Fully-funds the construction of a wall on our southern border
He's trying his best on this one.
And, oh yeah, he's defeated ISIS. CHECK
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^^^^^Great list Rush!!! Thanks!
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Repeal Obamacare
Tax cuts that don’t benefit the rich
Break up the large banks
Trillion dollar infrastructure project
Label China a currency manipulator
Rebuild the military - each had levels he was committed to
Eliminate the debt. He also promised to reduce the debt
Strong coal and steel industries
That last one is critical because if he can’t keep that, he has no chance of keeping voters in Pennsylvania and Michigan.
This goes for either party. A President, or any politician can make promises. The test is whether he actually tries to fulfill them. No politician can fulfill a promise when the opposition kills it just because they don't like the politician, regardless of what the promise was.
Trump has tried harder to fulfill his promises than any politician in my lifetime. He has also had the most and least principled opposition of any President in my lifetime. And that includes "W", Clinton and Obama.And some of your list of "promises", I take issue with; but I would have to look them up to verify that you didn't just make them up.
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Brian Seems to hate President Trump but pretends to be centrist to suit his mood.
His list is shut.
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Let us not forget that he donates his salary back to the government.
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some of your list of "promises", I take issue with; but I would have to look them up to verify that you didn't just make them up.
Please, do go look them up. Then come back here and tell everyone that you found them. It’s not a list I made up.
No, I do not like Trump. I think he has been a horrible president. On top of that, he has kept only about a third of his promises.
That isn’t to say that I’d like Warren better. I view the expected choices of Warren and Trump as bad and worse.
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No, I do not like Trump. I think he has been a horrible president. On top of that, he has kept only about a third of his promises.
Keeping a third of his promises while working on the rest in less than three years is pretty damn good. All the while fighting the Democrats, MEDIA, and many Republicans over Russia, Ukraine, Impeachment and any other FALSE narrative they can try.
Why do you think Trump is a horrible President?
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On top of that, he has kept only about a third of his promises.
So what? Is that how you measure the President? by the percentage of promises kept? Why would that be a valid reasonable measure?
Wouldn't a better measure be what he has accomplished?
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The average has been about 65%.
He is arrogant and not only thinks that he is the smartest person in the room, he believes that he is the only one who should be thinking. He doesn’t ask people for advice about topics that he doesn’t live every day.
Take the recent Syria announcement as an example. The military chiefs were shocked by the announcement. That means they had no idea it was coming, but who is a bigger expert at military matters than the people who run the military day in and day out? Well, apparently, the president.
As a a result, I think he doesn’t understand the consequences of his decisions. He isn’t making optimal choices for the people of the United States. Ergo, he is not a good president.
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The average has been about 65%.
He is arrogant and not only thinks that he is the smartest person in the room, he believes that he is the only one who should be thinking. He doesn’t ask people for advice about topics that he doesn’t live every day.
Take the recent Syria announcement as an example. The military chiefs were shocked by the announcement. That means they had no idea it was coming, but who is a bigger expert at military matters than the people who run the military day in and day out? Well, apparently, the president.
As a a result, I think he doesn’t understand the consequences of his decisions. He isn’t making optimal choices for the people of the United States. Ergo, he is not a good president.
The military believes the military is there to be engaged somewhere killing people and keeping the MIC going so they will be able to get lucrative consulting gigs when they retire. You would expect them to say, let's get out? They're not the ones getting shot at or bombed.
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Keeping a third of his promises while working on the rest in less than three years is pretty damn good. All the while fighting the Democrats, MEDIA, and many Republicans over Russia, Ukraine, Impeachment and any other FALSE narrative they can try.
Why do you think Trump is a horrible President?
Because he said “pussy.” Duh.
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The average has been about 65%.
He is arrogant and not only thinks that he is the smartest person in the room, he believes that he is the only one who should be thinking. He doesn’t ask people for advice about topics that he doesn’t live every day.
Take the recent Syria announcement as an example. The military chiefs were shocked by the announcement. That means they had no idea it was coming, but who is a bigger expert at military matters than the people who run the military day in and day out? Well, apparently, the president.
As a a result, I think he doesn’t understand the consequences of his decisions. He isn’t making optimal choices for the people of the United States. Ergo, he is not a good president.
You really have zero idea of his level of consultation with others. It has become clear that you are just parroting the anti-Trump screeds by CNN et. al.
Are the military “chiefs” allowed to hit the airwaves with their disappointment of not being consulted? Did the Joint Chiefs hold a walkout or something? No. But perhaps you’re upset that John Brennan and the former light colonels who are feeding at the MSM trough weren’t consulted about something that is none of their business any more.
Arrogant? Show me a president that wasn’t. I’ll grant you Jimmy Carter. It takes a very arrogant man to run or woman for President. It takes balls-out arrogance to be a lifetime politician believing you are truly “the ruling class.” I’ll admit Trump has failed at this career politician thing.
Check out Rush’s list above. Your objections are noted. Stupid and invalid, but noted.
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Because he said “pussy.” Duh.
And the Trump haters deal purely in EMOTION, and not results, nor facts. If you look at the President's accomplishments, the state of jobs and the economy, Energy, and other areas, they are all POSITIVE. Yet the bed wetters scream Trump is bad!
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He is arrogant and not only thinks that he is the smartest person in the room, he believes that he is the only one who should be thinking. He doesn’t ask people for advice about topics that he doesn’t live every day.
On what basis are you claiming to know what President Trump thinks? Are you a mind reader?
Take the recent Syria announcement as an example. The military chiefs were shocked by the announcement. That means they had no idea it was coming, but who is a bigger expert at military matters than the people who run the military day in and day out? Well, apparently, the president.
What military chiefs were shocked by the announcement?
btw - the CIC doesn't have to be an expert on military matters, but the CIC does get to set national policy (iirc - it's a Constitutional authority of the President).
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Please, do go look them up. Then come back here and tell everyone that you found them. It’s not a list I made up.
No, I do not like Trump. I think he has been a horrible president. On top of that, he has kept only about a third of his promises.
That isn’t to say that I’d like Warren better. I view the expected choices of Warren and Trump as bad and worse.
Between Trump and Warren, if bad and worse, which would you pick?
Trump: Continue growing the economy with the tax cuts and deregulation.
Warren: Reverse the Trump tax cuts and spend $trillions to force us all completely off coal, oil and gas in about ten years. What are you going to put into your airplane to make it go?
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Between Trump and Warren, if bad and worse, which would you pick?
Trump: Continue growing the economy with the tax cuts and deregulation.
Warren: Reverse the Trump tax cuts and spend $trillions to force us all completely off coal, oil and gas in about ten years. What are you going to put into your airplane to make it go?
That's a true Sophie's choice, and one I hope not to have to make. Basically, it's almost certain economic ruin vs. (at best) loss of respect for America from most of the rest of the world, and a weakening of the alliances that have kept us from plunging into another world war.
I'm still hoping that the eventual Dem nominee is someone we haven't seen yet. But I'm getting more and more worried that it will, indeed, be Warren.
If I could be confident that the Republicans won't lose the Senate, I'd vote for Warren. A progressive without the power to enact her socialist agenda would be the lesser of two evils. But if Warren won and the Senate flipped, I'd never forgive myself.
So yeah, let's not go there until we have to.
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Basically, it's almost certain economic ruin vs. (at best) loss of respect for America from most of the rest of the world, and a weakening of the alliances that have kept us from plunging into another world war.
So what are the (verifiable) examples of how our President is causing America to lose respect from "most of the rest of the world", and please cite how our alliances (again, verifiable) are being weakened?
That's certainly the MSM narrative.
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So what are the (verifiable) examples of how our President is causing America to lose respect from "most of the rest of the world", and please cite how our alliances (again, verifiable) are being weakened?
That's certainly the MSM narrative.
That’s easy...
He forced the fucking Chinese to play fair(er) in regard to tariffs, upsetting assholes, crooks and liberals.
He stood up to the lying fuckwads at cnn and company that lie 24/7 about him and us.
He refuses to cow tow to dictators, communists and mmgw whores.
He treats running the country like it is a business instead of a takeout window for crooks and cowards.
These things all infuriate liberals because they lack the balls to do any of them, or take responsibility for themselves.
Flynn hates President Trump because it’s popular to do so and bit cause he is a liberal all over, with not a moderate drop of blood in his body.
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That's a true Sophie's choice, and one I hope not to have to make. Basically, it's almost certain economic ruin vs. (at best) loss of respect for America from most of the rest of the world, and a weakening of the alliances that have kept us from plunging into another world war.
I'm still hoping that the eventual Dem nominee is someone we haven't seen yet. But I'm getting more and more worried that it will, indeed, be Warren.
If I could be confident that the Republicans won't lose the Senate, I'd vote for Warren. A progressive without the power to enact her socialist agenda would be the lesser of two evils. But if Warren won and the Senate flipped, I'd never forgive myself.
So yeah, let's not go there until we have to.
You know the Star Trek original series “Mirror Mirror”where there is an alternate universe where Spock has a goatee and they’re all evil? MSM has you convinced that’s reality under Trump. But actually we’re in the regular universe where everything is normal and good. Spock’s goatee is an illusion.
The defining characteristic of a leftist is they believe in (or promote for their own purposes) control by government over big swaths of the economy (ie healthcare, energy, etc.) That’s it in a nutshell. You’re not that. If you were, then Warren’s plan wouldn’t terrify you. So you are aware Warren is virtually a communist and Trump isn’t, yet you still dislike him, or fear him, so much that you’d be willing to put us in the position of having only the Senate between the country and economic meltdown.
Why? Foreign relations? “Loss of respect from the rest of the world...” in your words. Now that is an intangible with no numerical measure, unlike economic indicators such as unemployment. According to MSM the world’s respect for the U.S. is plummeting due to Trump. Do you imagine the world respected us more under Obama? If so you’re mistaking condescending smiles for respect. Ignore what MSM is saying the world thinks of us. They are hammering 24/7 that Spock has a goatee. He doesn’t.
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Magapill.com is a treasure trove of truth. Sources given. I agree with the site’s founder that these accomplishments of our President must not be overlooked or spun as the left is attempting. We must speak up.
Read his Twitter feed. The President is up at dawn and works into the night. On our behalf, for no pay.
I believe his promises are never far from his mind.
http://www.magapill.com
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Ultimately even Evil Spock did the right thing in that episode, Rush.
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Magapill.com is a treasure trove of truth. Sources given. I agree with the site’s founder that these accomplishments of our President must not be overlooked or spun as the left is attempting. We must speak up.
Read his Twitter feed. The President is up at dawn and works into the night. On our behalf, for no pay.
I believe his promises are never far from his mind.
http://www.magapill.com
Great site. OH! I like this one: US signs proclamation against Female Genital Mutilation and Cutting
Trump did that??? RACIST!!!!
Those conservative Muslims and pagans and indigent cultures have a right to their traditions!!!
But wait... in the U.S. we have feminism. Women are superior to men. Women deserve better protection than men. Therefore we have: Female genital mutilation/cutting is a federal crime in the United States, and any involvement in committing this crime is a serious human rights violation but we have no such law against mutilating a male's genitals. In fact, we accept that it is our religious and cultural tradition to mutilate male's genitals!
But wait, it's not okay to stop foreign cultures from cutting up female genitals, even though we stop it in the U.S. But wait, Trump signed this thing saying it is okay to stop foreign cultures from cutting up female genitals... but that can't be right because Trump is wrong in everything he does, therefore it is okay to let foreigners cut up female genitals. But not here in the U.S. because American females are narcissistic snowflakes who would never agree to having their fun button mangled. But Trump is WRONG to sign such a thing for foreigners because everything he does is wrong by default. RACIST!!!! As for newborn males, who gives a fuck, whack off their fun-skin.
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Great site. OH! I like this one: US signs proclamation against Female Genital Mutilation and Cutting
Trump did that??? RACIST!!!!
Those conservative Muslims and pagans and indigent cultures have a right to their traditions!!!
But wait... in the U.S. we have feminism. Women are superior to men. Women deserve better protection than men. Therefore we have: Female genital mutilation/cutting is a federal crime in the United States, and any involvement in committing this crime is a serious human rights violation but we have no such law against mutilating a male's genitals. In fact, we accept that it is our religious and cultural tradition to mutilate male's genitals!
But wait, it's not okay to stop foreign cultures from cutting up female genitals, even though we stop it in the U.S. But wait, Trump signed this thing saying it is okay to stop foreign cultures from cutting up female genitals... but that can't be right because Trump is wrong in everything he does, therefore it is okay to let foreigners cut up female genitals. But not here in the U.S. because American females are narcissistic snowflakes who would never agree to having their fun button mangled. But Trump is WRONG to sign such a thing for foreigners because everything he does is wrong by default. RACIST!!!! As for newborn males, who gives a fuck, whack off their fun-skin.
Has that site, http://www.magapill.com, been properly vetted by the Washington Post and PBS/NPR?
If not, it's just a conspiracy site. ??? ::)
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Women are equal to men, and men are awful!
Aaargh!