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Title: New Pilot Forum
Post by: Mase on October 03, 2019, 10:54:48 AM
Started due to Red Board shutting down.  WILL have a section for politics.

https://thepilotsplace.com/forum/index.php?whats-new/posts/660/
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: Lucifer on October 03, 2019, 11:08:51 AM

 Just looked around, so far I don't have a warm and fuzzy about it.

 Just read the "we only have one rule" mantra.  Yea, right.

 It will wind up being heavy handed moderated.
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: Bob Noel on October 03, 2019, 11:30:12 AM
remind me, the Red Board was AOPA's forum?

thanks.

Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: Anthony on October 03, 2019, 11:31:39 AM
remind me, the Red Board was AOPA's forum?

thanks.

Yes.  I haven't been on it in years either. 
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: Lucifer on October 03, 2019, 11:45:24 AM
Started due to Red Board shutting down.  WILL have a section for politics.

https://thepilotsplace.com/forum/index.php?whats-new/posts/660/

 BTW, thanks for posting this here.  I'm sure there will be several who see this and will participate, and I wish the new forum well.
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: SkyDog58 on October 03, 2019, 04:50:26 PM
I’ll check it out.  I just hope you have better mods than POA.  We need a good aviation social media site.
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: Lucifer on October 03, 2019, 04:54:59 PM
I’ll check it out.  I just hope you have better mods than POA.  We need a good aviation social media site.

 I see that forum falling apart.  They are already making threats, and apparently it's a warning, then a time out, and after that banishment.

Of course there is nothing written to determine who a violator is, everything is based on "Be Nice", so it's subjective.

Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: Anthony on October 03, 2019, 05:02:57 PM
I’ll check it out.  I just hope you have better mods than POA.  We need a good aviation social media site.

Why can't this be a good aviation social media site?
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: Lucifer on October 03, 2019, 05:09:12 PM
Why can't this be a good aviation social media site?


 We have the forums available.  I think what hurts us is this forum is hard to find, it's not google searchable.  But this new forum is not as well.

 I'd welcome aviation content and those who would like to participate.
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: SkyDog58 on October 04, 2019, 04:24:06 AM
Why can't this be a good aviation social media site?

Because aviation isn’t why most of the regular high post count folks on here come here.  They come for the spin.  And in my opinion it is filled with far too much hate and vitriol to be a desirable website for most people. 

Current post counts by forum:
Spin Zone   63,856
The five aviation related ones combined 2,455

So how is it a good aviation social media site?

While I think POA mods restrict things a bit too much, this place has the opposite problem to the extreme.  That’s why I am rarely here.

But it’s your party.  Enjoy. 

Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: Bob Noel on October 04, 2019, 04:57:55 AM
Because aviation isn’t why most of the regular high post count folks on here come here.  They come for the spin.  And in my opinion it is filled with far too much hate and vitriol to be a desirable website for most people. 

Current post counts by forum:
Spin Zone   63,856
The five aviation related ones combined 2,455

So how is it a good aviation social media site?

While I think POA mods restrict things a bit too much, this place has the opposite problem to the extreme.  That’s why I am rarely here.

But it’s your party.  Enjoy.


Don't forget why Pilot Spin was created in the first place  (and don't forget why POA was created).

If the spinzone portion of Pilot Spin isn't to your liking, all you have to do is ignore it.

Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: Anthony on October 04, 2019, 05:14:56 AM
Because aviation isn’t why most of the regular high post count folks on here come here.  They come for the spin.  And in my opinion it is filled with far too much hate and vitriol to be a desirable website for most people. 

Current post counts by forum:
Spin Zone   63,856
The five aviation related ones combined 2,455

So how is it a good aviation social media site?

While I think POA mods restrict things a bit too much, this place has the opposite problem to the extreme.  That’s why I am rarely here.

But it’s your party.  Enjoy.

You make things better by participating, not sitting on the sidelines.  But it's your party.  Enjoy.
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: Little Joe on October 04, 2019, 05:23:15 AM
You make things better by participating, not sitting on the sidelines.  But it's your party.  Enjoy.
Who is going to change for the better here because of Skydog's participation?

I would like to see him, and others participate here more, but he is correct.  The attitude of many members here is not conducive to an exchange of information, only confirmation of existing positions.  The name calling and insults are a turnoff to many.  And that is not going to change.
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: Lucifer on October 04, 2019, 05:51:56 AM
Who is going to change for the better here because of Skydog's participation?

I would like to see him, and others participate here more, but he is correct.  The attitude of many members here is not conducive to an exchange of information, only confirmation of existing positions.  The name calling and insults are a turnoff to many.  And that is not going to change.

 There are some threads I don't participate in, some topics I don't read.  Even a couple of posters I don't bother reading what they write.  Choice is a good thing, and we provide that here.

 We do have an aviation forum for those wishing to chat strictly on aviation content.  And the beauty is it, like here, is unmoderated.  That other aviation forum PoA is too heavy handed moderated.  The new one just formed is going down the same road according to the rules they posted.  Time will tell.

 The real problem we have here with regards to participation is this forum is difficult to find.  It's not advertised, and it's not google or search engine searchable.  IMO, if people could find it, you'd see much more participation.

 So I appreciate Skydog for stopping by, maybe we'll see more of him. 
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: SkyDog58 on October 04, 2019, 06:29:29 AM
One only has to read the B-17 thread on here to get a grasp of what’s wrong with this board.  There was a good conversation going on about the merits of keeping warbirds flying but then someone had to pipe in with some political vitriolic nonsense about democrats wanting to shutdown warbirds because they are patriotic displays.  Of course, the thread is in Spin Zone so I guess such nonsense is to be expected.  So it isn’t as simple as ignoring certain threads if one wants to ignore the idiocy.  Some people can and will make any conversation or topic to be about themselves and their twisted beliefs no matter how big of a stretch it may be.  It really is rather pathetic and the main reason this board has failed to grow and has become little more than an echo chamber.  Just my two cents. 
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: Little Joe on October 04, 2019, 06:34:56 AM
I wish we had a "dislike" button.
And while I'm at it, I wish we had a button that said "I like  your post even though I hate what you are posting about".
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: Lucifer on October 04, 2019, 06:59:00 AM
One only has to read the B-17 thread on here to get a grasp of what’s wrong with this board.  There was a good conversation going on about the merits of keeping warbirds flying but then someone had to pipe in with some political vitriolic nonsense about democrats wanting to shutdown warbirds because they are patriotic displays.  Of course, the thread is in Spin Zone so I guess such nonsense is to be expected.  So it isn’t as simple as ignoring certain threads if one wants to ignore the idiocy.  Some people can and will make any conversation or topic to be about themselves and their twisted beliefs no matter how big of a stretch it may be.  It really is rather pathetic and the main reason this board has failed to grow and has become little more than an echo chamber.  Just my two cents.

 It simply amazes me.  Those who despise the heavy handed moderation of other boards come here and complain about the lack of moderation here.   Reminds me of the Californians moving east to get away from the radical liberal state only to bring those ideas with them and want them implemented into their new home state.  :o

 For the life of me I can't understand why, if someone writes something you, or anyone disagrees with, simply skip it and move on.

 I've previously stated the actual reasons the board hasn't grown.  By demanding (moderating?) that people refrain from expressing themselves in a certain manner will not increase board membership.

 It seems to bother you when some express their ideology that disagrees with yours.  However, you've been booted out of PoA numerous times for engaging in political talk stating your beliefs.   So I'm really not sure what the balance is you are looking for.

 This board has never moderated anyone (except for spammers).  No one has ever been asked to leave, no one has ever been banned.  I tend to think that's a pretty good track record.

 Again, feel free to participate as much or as little as you desire.

 
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: Anthony on October 04, 2019, 07:03:00 AM
One only has to read the B-17 thread on here to get a grasp of what’s wrong with this board.  There was a good conversation going on about the merits of keeping warbirds flying but then someone had to pipe in with some political vitriolic nonsense about democrats wanting to shutdown warbirds because they are patriotic displays.  Of course, the thread is in Spin Zone so I guess such nonsense is to be expected.  So it isn’t as simple as ignoring certain threads if one wants to ignore the idiocy.  Some people can and will make any conversation or topic to be about themselves and their twisted beliefs no matter how big of a stretch it may be.  It really is rather pathetic and the main reason this board has failed to grow and has become little more than an echo chamber.  Just my two cents.

I think there is an element of truth in what you say.  If you don't like certain posters posts, you can put them on ignore.  Also, in general, most here to do not use personal insults, however, it happens, and as this is an unmoderated forum, it is what it is.  I don't see it happening a lot.

This is a political board, and thus politics and parties are brought into the conversations.  I put the B-17 in the Spin Zone because politicians are already calling for "more oversight" meaning more regulations, and because it is the most frequented sub forum. 

The real reason the board hasn't grown and has few "liberals" is that they NEED MODERATION in order to sustain their arguments as they don't hold up to rational thought.  Essentially they need POSTING AFFIRMATIVE ACTION. 
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: Hawk25 on October 04, 2019, 07:32:08 AM
I'm one of the quiet ones and read every post.  It makes me think and sometimes change my opinion.  There is some name calling and that I just skip over.  I've never been very good at voicing (or writing) my own opinion but I enjoy what I do read in this forum.  I am sure there are more like me in this regard.
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: Becky on October 04, 2019, 07:49:15 AM
At the risk of being called an echo, OF COURSE there are more political than aviation posts here. We don’t aspire to be the new POA, we just want to talk about subjects not allowed there.

The interesting thing is that people like SkyDog will come here and accuse us of name calling, when in fact only Number 7 does so, with Lucifer also being erascible at times. The rest of us are pretty unfailingly polite and open to discussion, and usually just want to know WHAT THE WHAT????? vis a vis what appears to be the ongoing Democrat train wreck and assault on civilization. Even with Steingar, we just ask him to defend his positions, which apparently is too much to ask. This, of course, leads to the statements about his lack of openness to discussion, which, sorry and gosh, are true.

I’m still waiting for someone to enlighten me on why I should become a liberal, if it’s such a superior thing to be. For 15 years or so I’ve been trying to find a liberal who could lay it all out convincingly. I’m very uncomfortable when I feel I’m not adequately looking at a subject from enough of its angles.

So that all affirms, for me, the really obvious point that SkyDog is a person who likes to find fault. His PilotSpin persona at present reflects that. Which is also fine, really. He’s certainly free to express his thoughts here, as are we all.

Like Hawk25, I don’t often post, but daily I read the discussion here and it does enlighten me. We have some great minds here.
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: Steingar on October 04, 2019, 08:10:32 AM
You make things better by participating, not sitting on the sidelines.  But it's your party.  Enjoy.

Just don't post anything that might go against the zeitgeist, unless you really enjoy having lots of vitriol directed your way.  The denizens prefer their echo chamber.
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: Lucifer on October 04, 2019, 08:32:40 AM
Just don't post anything that might go against the zeitgeist, unless you really enjoy having lots of vitriol directed your way.  The denizens prefer their echo chamber.

 Would you be willing to discuss this?
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: EppyGA on October 04, 2019, 08:56:09 AM
A bit of history about the owner of the new forum. He was a regular on the Purple Board for along while, but got his panties in a wad about some posts and decided to leave.  He was a very prolific poster in the "Last" thread over there, which is essentially an ongoing chat kind of thread.  When he left the Purple Board he, apparently, became a prolific poster on the Red Board. Several years ago, after he left the Purple Board, he started this same new forum feeling he could attract a lot of us from the Purple Board. A bunch of us went there and registered but never really participated much. Kind of like getting folks to migrate over to MeWe instead of FB.  Now with the closing of the Red Board he's decide to start it up again.  As an aside, the owner is on the left politically, take what you will from that.  I am friends with him on FB, he tends to stay away from politics there.
I do notice that SkyDog came over here and, apparently, could not compete with his views so he very seldom participates here and when he does, it is to complain.
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: Becky on October 04, 2019, 08:59:19 AM
Just don't post anything that might go against the zeitgeist, unless you really enjoy having lots of vitriol directed your way.  The denizens prefer their echo chamber.
Again, Number 7 is really the only poster who fits the “vitriol” accusation. So, not “lots.”

How many times and in how many ways do we have to describe and offer our willingness to dialogue? The forum is easily read and posts are permanently visible. Your accusations hold no water.

Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: Little Joe on October 04, 2019, 09:07:02 AM
It simply amazes me.  Those who despise the heavy handed moderation of other boards come here and complain about the lack of moderation here.   
I think you are missing a major point. 

There is a huge difference between being annoyed by the constant blabber of some posters, and desiring heavy handed moderation.

There are definitely a few people here that annoy me, even when I agree with their point.  But I don't want a moderator to censor them.  If it annoys me enough, I will leave.  So far, for me, it hasn't come to that.  But it has for a lot of people.

I am behind moderation in certain, extreme cases.  Hard porn (not soft porn) and personal threats should not be allowed.  Just about everything else is fair game.
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: Lucifer on October 04, 2019, 09:10:28 AM
I think you are missing a major point. 

There is a huge difference between being annoyed by the constant blabber of some posters, and desiring heavy handed moderation.

There are definitely a few people here that annoy me, even when I agree with their point.  But I don't want a moderator to censor them.  If it annoys me enough, I will leave.  So far, for me, it hasn't come to that.  But it has for a lot of people.

I am behind moderation in certain, extreme cases.  Hard porn (not soft porn) and personal threats should not be allowed.  Just about everything else is fair game.


 So what's your solution?
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: Anthony on October 04, 2019, 09:14:21 AM
Just don't post anything that might go against the zeitgeist, unless you really enjoy having lots of vitriol directed your way.  The denizens prefer their echo chamber.

Well "zeitgeist" and "denizens" will certainly promote civilized, meaningful discussion. 
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: Little Joe on October 04, 2019, 09:16:51 AM

 So what's your solution?
Good question.  I don't know.  Perhaps the only thing we can do is accept it when people point out why they leave or don't come back often without getting our panties in a wad and our feelings hurt.  That just reinforces their opinion.

I think Becky is right.  For the most part, Number 7 is the main one that uses name calling and insults as a form of debate.  Even though I generally agree with his main point, I now get a chuckle out of his repetitive, nasty, intolerant responses.  I think I could write a bot that would generate similar responses using trite phrases in response to certain keywords.

Sorry Number 7.  That's how I see it.
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: nddons on October 04, 2019, 09:20:49 AM
One only has to read the B-17 thread on here to get a grasp of what’s wrong with this board.  There was a good conversation going on about the merits of keeping warbirds flying but then someone had to pipe in with some political vitriolic nonsense about democrats wanting to shutdown warbirds because they are patriotic displays.  Of course, the thread is in Spin Zone so I guess such nonsense is to be expected.  So it isn’t as simple as ignoring certain threads if one wants to ignore the idiocy.  Some people can and will make any conversation or topic to be about themselves and their twisted beliefs no matter how big of a stretch it may be.  It really is rather pathetic and the main reason this board has failed to grow and has become little more than an echo chamber.  Just my two cents.
I’m the one who first noted that CT Senator Blumenthal said something about regulating Warbird flights on the SAME DAY OF THIS TRAGIC ACCIDENT.  Sorry if you don’t like that I mentioned it, but it is a perfectly legitimate complaint.  The bodies weren’t even cold and a politician felt the need to pipe up and say something needs to be further regulated.

As evidenced by Blunenthal, politics is interwoven into real life far, far too much. I have a good deal of real world Warbird experience. That was the thrust of my posts on that thread. But I also push back when people feel the need to not let a tragedy go to waste for their own political ends.

If you like zero politics involved in aviation matters, aOPA’s forums are the perfect place to be. I’m not quite sure I get why you aren’t happy that we aren’t emulating the Red Board.
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: Little Joe on October 04, 2019, 09:31:19 AM
I’m the one who first noted that CT Senator Blumenthal said something about regulating Warbird flights on the SAME DAY OF THIS TRAGIC ACCIDENT.  Sorry if you don’t like that I mentioned it, but it is a perfectly legitimate complaint.  The bodies weren’t even cold and a politician felt the need to pipe up and say something needs to be further regulated.

As evidenced by Blunenthal, politics is interwoven into real life far, far too much. I have a good deal of real world Warbird experience. That was the thrust of my posts on that thread. But I also push back when people feel the need to not let a tragedy go to waste for their own political ends.

If you like zero politics involved in aviation matters, aOPA’s forums are the perfect place to be. I’m not quite sure I get why you aren’t happy that we aren’t emulating the Red Board.
I could be wrong, but I don't believe it was your post that Skydog was referring to.
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: SkyDog58 on October 04, 2019, 09:46:50 AM
It simply amazes me.  Those who despise the heavy handed moderation of other boards come here and complain about the lack of moderation here.   Reminds me of the Californians moving east to get away from the radical liberal state only to bring those ideas with them and want them implemented into their new home state.  :o

 For the life of me I can't understand why, if someone writes something you, or anyone disagrees with, simply skip it and move on.

 I've previously stated the actual reasons the board hasn't grown.  By demanding (moderating?) that people refrain from expressing themselves in a certain manner will not increase board membership.

 It seems to bother you when some express their ideology that disagrees with yours.  However, you've been booted out of PoA numerous times for engaging in political talk stating your beliefs.   So I'm really not sure what the balance is you are looking for.

 This board has never moderated anyone (except for spammers).  No one has ever been asked to leave, no one has ever been banned.  I tend to think that's a pretty good track record.

 Again, feel free to participate as much or as little as you desire.

Actually while I was repeatedly banned from POA, it really wasn’t for being political at least not in the strictest sense of the word. I made several posts that poked fun of various politicians on both sides of the aisle whenever they said or did something stupid.  I have also done the same when a celebrity or member of the media said or wrote something stupid.  I believe that if someone has somehow been given a bigger voice than the rest of us that the things they say should not be stupid. I have poked at Obama and the Clintons as much as Trump but it’s only Trump jokes that gets me labeled as being political and banned.  I find that odd.  Funny thing is that I do not claim to be either liberal or conservative or republican or Democrat on the whole but have beliefs from both sides.  That said, I predominantly have voted GOP in presidential elections.  My first election was 1976 and I voted for Carter, the dem.  Every election since until 2016, I voted for the GOP candidates.  I almost didn’t vote for GW the second time as the Iraq war really was a dumb move but I could not stomach Kerry.  I almost voted for Obama in 2008 as I can’t really stand Romney, though as of late he has shown a little character.  But I voted for him anyways. In 2016 we had two horrible choices in Trump and Clinton and neither got my vote as I decided to vote for Libertarian Gary Johnson.   I wish the Dems will nominate a more moderate person this time who has mass appeal as I would prefer not to see Trump re-elected. But if it makes people feel better to call me political, partisan, liberal, conservative, etc. because it fits their narrow view of the available choices, there really isn’t much that I can do.  So label me what you will.

Oh, I also got banned for bashing Tom D’s frequent idiotic advice and thoughts.  He’s a mod favorite over there and they seem to protect him and his fan boy.  Don’t know though if that makes me political as well.  I looked at it as providing better and more accurate answers to the subject at hand.

Anyways, I might hang around here and and I might not.  I doubt though if it will matter.  I’m probably not anymore popular here than I was on POA.

That’s more than I intended to post.  Sorry. 
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: Little Joe on October 04, 2019, 10:00:28 AM
Actually while I was repeatedly banned from POA, it really wasn’t for being political at least not in the strictest sense of the word. I made several posts that poked fun of various politicians on both sides of the aisle whenever they said or did something stupid.  I have also done the same when a celebrity or member of the media said or wrote something stupid. 
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That’s more than I intended to post.  Sorry.
I hope you do stick around.
Back when I was a consultant to a vice president in a fortune 500 company, I apologized to him because my colleague and I often disagreed with each other.  He told me something that stuck and I have use in several situations:

If two people always agree on something, then one of them is unnecessary.
If those two people always disagree, then they are both unnecessary.

I am sure we will disagree on many things in the future if you will give it a chance.
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: Lucifer on October 04, 2019, 10:02:38 AM
Actually while I was repeatedly banned from POA, it really wasn’t for being political at least not in the strictest sense of the word. I made several posts that poked fun of various politicians on both sides of the aisle whenever they said or did something stupid.  I have also done the same when a celebrity or member of the media said or wrote something stupid.  I believe that if someone has somehow been given a bigger voice than the rest of us that the things they say should not be stupid. I have poked at Obama and the Clintons as much as Trump but it’s only Trump jokes that gets me labeled as being political and banned.  I find that odd.  Funny thing is that I do not claim to be either liberal or conservative or republican or Democrat on the whole but have beliefs from both sides.  That said, I predominantly have voted GOP in presidential elections.  My first election was 1976 and I voted for Carter, the dem.  Every election since until 2016, I voted for the GOP candidates.  I almost didn’t vote for GW the second time as the Iraq war really was a dumb move but I could not stomach Kerry.  I almost voted for Obama in 2008 as I can’t really stand Romney, though as of late he has shown a little character.  But I voted for him anyways. In 2016 we had two horrible choices in Trump and Clinton and neither got my vote as I decided to vote for Libertarian Gary Johnson.   I wish the Dems will nominate a more moderate person this time who has mass appeal as I would prefer not to see Trump re-elected. But if it makes people feel better to call me political, partisan, liberal, conservative, etc. because it fits their narrow view of the available choices, there really isn’t much that I can do.  So label me what you will.

Oh, I also got banned for bashing Tom D’s frequent idiotic advice and thoughts.  He’s a mod favorite over there and they seem to protect him and his fan boy.  Don’t know though if that makes me political as well.  I looked at it as providing better and more accurate answers to the subject at hand.

Anyways, I might hang around here and and I might not.  I doubt though if it will matter.  I’m probably not anymore popular here than I was on POA.

That’s more than I intended to post.  Sorry.

 You're fine, and appreciate the reply.   

 Stick around and have some fun here.
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: Steingar on October 04, 2019, 10:03:26 AM
How many times and in how many ways do we have to describe and offer our willingness to dialogue? The forum is easily read and posts are permanently visible. Your accusations hold no water.

You are correct, everything is easily found.  This is just a smattering of things that have been said about me personally in the last month:

Totally FALSE.  Stop lying.
Wow
the troll is full of shit....as usual.
He's just trolling as usual.
Ignorance fits your idiocy so well.
No wonder colleges turn out such morons, they have the likes of you showing them the way.
I know.  Still holding out some hope he could actually engage in a meaningful discussion.
And yea, I know..
Bravo!  And you say your not good enough to be a refugee from a Woody Allen movie!
A breathtaking reveal of the liberal’s broken and completely ineffectual path toward human flourishing. Exactly what I expected of you.
You just proved you have profound ignorance of what Conservatives want.
Stupid doesn’t even begin to describe you.
I’m sure you’re the man when it comes to blowing bubbles up a mouse’s ass, or whatever it is you claim to teach, but economics, you haven’t a clue.
So along with basic reading and writing skills, history and civics, you also have no understanding of basic economics?
I’m sure you’re the man when it comes to blowing bubbles up a mouse’s ass, or whatever it is you claim to teach, but economics, you haven’t a clue.
Grow up.
You are such a fucking, delusional, troll.
Do you have an 8 year old writing your jokes?

Now, I'm certain I am going to be accused of crying about my unfair treatment.  I would remind my gentle readers that I am responding to a very specific comment.  Moreover, I haven't included any of the posts that disparage liberals or those who disagree with the views expressed here.
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: Lucifer on October 04, 2019, 10:04:48 AM
You are correct, everything is easily found.  This is just a smattering of things that have been said about me personally in the last month:

Totally FALSE.  Stop lying.
Wow
the troll is full of shit....as usual.
He's just trolling as usual.
Ignorance fits your idiocy so well.
No wonder colleges turn out such morons, they have the likes of you showing them the way.
I know.  Still holding out some hope he could actually engage in a meaningful discussion.
And yea, I know..
Bravo!  And you say your not good enough to be a refugee from a Woody Allen movie!
A breathtaking reveal of the liberal’s broken and completely ineffectual path toward human flourishing. Exactly what I expected of you.
You just proved you have profound ignorance of what Conservatives want.
Stupid doesn’t even begin to describe you.
I’m sure you’re the man when it comes to blowing bubbles up a mouse’s ass, or whatever it is you claim to teach, but economics, you haven’t a clue.
So along with basic reading and writing skills, history and civics, you also have no understanding of basic economics?
I’m sure you’re the man when it comes to blowing bubbles up a mouse’s ass, or whatever it is you claim to teach, but economics, you haven’t a clue.
Grow up.
You are such a fucking, delusional, troll.
Do you have an 8 year old writing your jokes?

Now, I'm certain I am going to be accused of crying about my unfair treatment.  I would remind my gentle readers that I am responding to a very specific comment.  Moreover, I haven't included any of the posts that disparage liberals or those who disagree with the views expressed here.

 So what do you propose as a solution?
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: Anthony on October 04, 2019, 10:19:11 AM
You are correct, everything is easily found.  This is just a smattering of things that have been said about me personally in the last month:

Totally FALSE.  Stop lying.
Wow
the troll is full of shit....as usual.
He's just trolling as usual.
Ignorance fits your idiocy so well.
No wonder colleges turn out such morons, they have the likes of you showing them the way.
I know.  Still holding out some hope he could actually engage in a meaningful discussion.
And yea, I know..
Bravo!  And you say your not good enough to be a refugee from a Woody Allen movie!
A breathtaking reveal of the liberal’s broken and completely ineffectual path toward human flourishing. Exactly what I expected of you.
You just proved you have profound ignorance of what Conservatives want.
Stupid doesn’t even begin to describe you.
I’m sure you’re the man when it comes to blowing bubbles up a mouse’s ass, or whatever it is you claim to teach, but economics, you haven’t a clue.
So along with basic reading and writing skills, history and civics, you also have no understanding of basic economics?
I’m sure you’re the man when it comes to blowing bubbles up a mouse’s ass, or whatever it is you claim to teach, but economics, you haven’t a clue.
Grow up.
You are such a fucking, delusional, troll.
Do you have an 8 year old writing your jokes?

Now, I'm certain I am going to be accused of crying about my unfair treatment.  I would remind my gentle readers that I am responding to a very specific comment.  Moreover, I haven't included any of the posts that disparage liberals or those who disagree with the views expressed here.

^^^^^^^TROLL!!!


:)
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: Steingar on October 04, 2019, 10:42:45 AM
So what do you propose as a solution?

My favorite solution is that members here police themselves. That they restrain their baser instincts and instead take the high road. I have done so my self (the last comment about having an 8-year old writing jokes was from you.  I was going to answer in the affirmative, since those were the only ones you would understand, but I demurred).  I promise you that the discussions would become far more robust.  I can also promise that it won't happen.
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: Lucifer on October 04, 2019, 10:54:15 AM
My favorite solution is that members here police themselves. That they restrain their baser instincts and instead take the high road.

 Ok, so to recap and clarify:

 When having discussions with you, or anyone with a differing opinion, No one is to answer your, or their post with anything negative, or could be perceived as negative.  Is this correct?

I have done so my self (the last comment about having an 8-year old writing jokes was from you.  I was going to answer in the affirmative, since those were the only ones you would understand, but I demurred).

 Ok, to clarify:

 You can hurl insults as long as you post it in parentheses?  And others shall, as you stated, take "the high road" and dare not say anything, in anyway shape or form that you would find insulting.  Correct?


  I promise you that the discussions would become far more robust.  I can also promise that it won't happen.

 Why wouldn't it happen?
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: Bob Noel on October 04, 2019, 11:04:31 AM
I wonder when it is ok to tell someone that they are wrong.

What about when someone is completely wrong?

Or when someone is wrong and should know better?
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: nddons on October 04, 2019, 11:09:05 AM
I wonder when it is ok to tell someone that they are wrong.

What about when someone is completely wrong?

Or when someone is wrong and should know better?
Shut up. You’re wrong. RACIST!!!!
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: Steingar on October 04, 2019, 11:41:13 AM
Ok, so to recap and clarify:

 When having discussions with you, or anyone with a differing opinion, No one is to answer your, or their post with anything negative, or could be perceived as negative.  Is this correct?

I don't really think that's it. I just think that folks should refrain from replying with the sort of personal insults that I just posted.

Ok, to clarify:

 You can hurl insults as long as you post it in parentheses?  And others shall, as you stated, take "the high road" and dare not say anything, in anyway shape or form that you would find insulting.  Correct?

I should have put in a smiley, it was meant in utter jest.  Sorry if you were offended.


Why wouldn't it happen?

Because I think most of you are sufficiently intelligent to realize that if you really wanted political discourse with your fellow pilots you would have to be a bit polite about it.  Since that's never happened here, it means that either 1) you are unable to do so or 2) you are unwilling to do so.

Either is fine by me, honest.  But if you really want a vibrant board with lots of participants (which I'm assuming you all do) you might need to rethink things a bit.  To be honest, I really don't think you should.  I really don't think anyone here honestly wants to read about anything that might conflict with their opinions or world view, and that the nice echo chamber you have going is exactly what you all have been seeking in the first place.
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: Username on October 04, 2019, 11:46:00 AM
Because I think most of you are sufficiently intelligent to realize that if you really wanted political discourse with your fellow pilots you would have to be a bit polite about it.  Since that's never happened here, it means that either 1) you are unable to do so or 2) you are unwilling to do so.
With all due politeness and respect: Never? Really?
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: Anthony on October 04, 2019, 11:54:37 AM
With all due politeness and respect: Never? Really?

Liberals speak in absurd absolutes.  Reductio Ad Absurdum.

Michael, (Steingar) if you really want reasonable discourse then stop throwing out insults, and wild accusations yourself.  I am sure you will be treated more kindly. 
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: nddons on October 04, 2019, 11:59:22 AM
I don't really think that's it. I just think that folks should refrain from replying with the sort of personal insults that I just posted.

I should have put in a smiley, it was meant in utter jest.  Sorry if you were offended.


Because I think most of you are sufficiently intelligent to realize that if you really wanted political discourse with your fellow pilots you would have to be a bit polite about it.  Since that's never happened here, it means that either 1) you are unable to do so or 2) you are unwilling to do so.

Either is fine by me, honest.  But if you really want a vibrant board with lots of participants (which I'm assuming you all do) you might need to rethink things a bit.  To be honest, I really don't think you should.  I really don't think anyone here honestly wants to read about anything that might conflict with their opinions or world view, and that the nice echo chamber you have going is exactly what you all have been seeking in the first place.
You really believe that you have superior intellect to the rest of us, which is sad and kind of pathetic.

It is inconceivable to you (and your fellow academics) that most conservatives actually do have a thirst for knowledge, we do our own research, and we do draw our own, independent conclusions. 

Having a PhD in Genetics or whatever you have certainly makes you more knowledgeable than your average person in that topic. But it does not give you expert-level knowledge in ALL topics, which is where you show your soft underbelly.

When we challenge you on topics that we may well have greater knowledge or broader experience than you, you seem incapable of accepting that reality, and thus you immediately go full snowflake.  You attack 7 with childlike jokes. You claim every disagreement is an attack on you. And ultimately you pout and leave the forum, as if that should even matter to us.

This would be a better forum if you stayed in a debate, engaged in debate without carrying your obvious perception that we are all intellectually inferior to yourself, and most importantly, actually back up your arguments. Seriously, most of your posts sound more like a Miss Peggy Drive-by than an attempt to engage those with which you disagree.
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: Lucifer on October 04, 2019, 12:10:34 PM
I don't really think that's it. I just think that folks should refrain from replying with the sort of personal insults that I just posted.

 OK.  Now let me ask you, are you capable of doing the same?  On many occasions you tend to be insulting and berating with your post, especially out of the blue.  I've seen discussions happening that were quit civil, and you would enter with a berating comment, as if you were only wanting to troll the conversation. 

 Have you ever considered that your responses prompt the negative remarks?  Often you come in throwing around remarks that others deem offensive, or another trait you have is to be very demeaning.  Think you need to refrain from that?

I should have put in a smiley, it was meant in utter jest.  Sorry if you were offended.

Very little offends me. But yes, you are correct, sometimes in a forum adding something like a smiley quickly defuses what could be otherwise considered offensive.

Because I think most of you are sufficiently intelligent to realize that if you really wanted political discourse with your fellow pilots you would have to be a bit polite about it.  Since that's never happened here, it means that either 1) you are unable to do so or 2) you are unwilling to do so.

 See above. It's a two way street.  If you want respect, trying showing respect.

Either is fine by me, honest.  But if you really want a vibrant board with lots of participants (which I'm assuming you all do) you might need to rethink things a bit.  To be honest, I really don't think you should. I really don't think anyone here honestly wants to read about anything that might conflict with their opinions or world view, and that the nice echo chamber you have going is exactly what you all have been seeking in the first place.

 See how your last sentence reads?   So let me ask you, how should any of us respond to that sentence?
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: Little Joe on October 04, 2019, 12:21:24 PM


Because I think most of you are sufficiently intelligent to realize that if you really wanted political discourse with your fellow pilots you would have to be a bit polite about it.  Since that's never happened here, it means that either 1) you are unable to do so or 2) you are unwilling to do so.

Either is fine by me, honest.  But if you really want a vibrant board with lots of participants (which I'm assuming you all do) you might need to rethink things a bit.  To be honest, I really don't think you should.  I really don't think anyone here honestly wants to read about anything that might conflict with their opinions or world view, and that the nice echo chamber you have going is exactly what you all have been seeking in the first place.
Michael, your use of absolutes is quite annoying and provocative.  And that is not a personal insult.
 
If you are going to hurl the same type of insults that you complain about, then at least aim them a little better.  Collateral damage causes more ill will than a direct attack.

To everyone:  I wish we were all better at attacking the ideas and opinions rather than the person and the personalities.  I know it is a lot easier to call someone a pathetic communist snowflake whore than it is to say you disagree with them and here's why, but we should all try it for a while.
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: Mase on October 04, 2019, 12:33:34 PM
I don't really think that's it. I just think that folks should refrain from replying with the sort of personal insults that I just posted.

I should have put in a smiley, it was meant in utter jest.  Sorry if you were offended.


Because I think most of you are sufficiently intelligent to realize that if you really wanted political discourse with your fellow pilots you would have to be a bit polite about it.  Since that's never happened here, it means that either 1) you are unable to do so or 2) you are unwilling to do so.

Either is fine by me, honest.  But if you really want a vibrant board with lots of participants (which I'm assuming you all do) you might need to rethink things a bit.  To be honest, I really don't think you should.  I really don't think anyone here honestly wants to read about anything that might conflict with their opinions or world view, and that the nice echo chamber you have going is exactly what you all have been seeking in the first place.

There is a difference between wanting an "echo chamber" and not wanting oppressive, fascistic, left-wing "moderation" with the intent to shut down all opposing opinion.

BTW I don't think I have ever posted a single insult to anyone on this forum going back to it's first day.  And I am not the only one.
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: Steingar on October 04, 2019, 01:09:07 PM
There is a difference between wanting an "echo chamber" and not wanting oppressive, fascistic, left-wing "moderation" with the intent to shut down all opposing opinion.

BTW I don't think I have ever posted a single insult to anyone on this forum going back to it's first day.  And I am not the only one.

I am far from perfect, but I promise you I've gotten far more than I've given.  And that's fine, really it is.  But I honestly meant what I said.  I really do think that the majority here would much prefer an echo chamber than rationally discussing things with non-likeminded folks.  Like I said, I didn't link all the insults I saw directed at liberals in general, there were lots. I really do not view this forum as welcoming to those with dissenting views. Perhaps I am incorrect, I often am. But that's honestly how I see it. 
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: Little Joe on October 04, 2019, 01:26:09 PM
I am far from perfect, but I promise you I've gotten far more than I've given.
Whey you say things like "you ALL are a bunch of (fill in the blank)", that may seem like one insult to you, but you have insulted everyone and they may all insult you back.  You see that as receiving 20+ insults to your one given, but actually you gave ONE to EVERYBODY.

I believe you have insulted me with all of your inclusive rants more often than I have insulted you.
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: Anthony on October 04, 2019, 01:49:32 PM
And once again Steingar makes himself the center of attention.  It's all about you, right Michael?
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: Lucifer on October 04, 2019, 02:00:59 PM
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Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: Steingar on October 04, 2019, 03:12:06 PM
Whey you say things like "you ALL are a bunch of (fill in the blank)", that may seem like one insult to you, but you have insulted everyone and they may all insult you back.  You see that as receiving 20+ insults to your one given, but actually you gave ONE to EVERYBODY.

I believe you have insulted me with all of your inclusive rants more often than I have insulted you.
If you wish you can blame everything on me. But think about this. At best I am an occasional participant. It doesn’t make much sense for me to be the sole source of this board’s woes.

I have now realized that these sorts of boards simply don’t work without some sort of moderation. From either without or within, boards like this turn into insult contests without, which is what this board becomes at the least dissent. Even within this thread insults are being hurled at liberals, Democrats, and me in particular. I don’t mind, but I suspect I am very unusual in that regard.

And if that’s how you want it, fine. But consider this. The AOPA board is closing. Whatever you want to say about it, there were numerous participants. Where will they go? One guy felt the need to set up his own board, actually a rather gallant effort I think. Why didn’t they come here?
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: Anthony on October 04, 2019, 03:18:24 PM
Why don't they go to POA?  Your avoiding me Michael.  A bit of dishonesty on your part?
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: Lucifer on October 04, 2019, 03:32:00 PM
If you wish you can blame everything on me. But think about this. At best I am an occasional participant. It doesn’t make much sense for me to be the sole source of this board’s woes.

I don't believe anyone said you were the sole source of this board's woes.  Not even close.   It has been pointed out, very concisely, that you tend to bring on criticism by the way you post.  You're very critical of how others post, but you refuse to accept that a good bit of this is started by you.

 I've accused you of trolling because many of your post are just that.  You will jump into a conversation and hurl insults, then leave.

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Trolling – (verb), as it relates to internet, is the deliberate act, (by a Troll – noun or adjective), of making random unsolicited and/or controversial comments on various internet forums with the intent to provoke an emotional knee jerk reaction from unsuspecting readers to engage in a fight or argument
Trolling on-line forums as described above is actually analogous to the fishing technique of “trolling”,

 You fit that very definition by your actions here.

I have now realized that these sorts of boards simply don’t work without some sort of moderation. From either without or within, boards like this turn into insult contests without, which is what this board becomes at the least dissent. Even within this thread insults are being hurled at liberals, Democrats, and me in particular. I don’t mind, but I suspect I am very unusual in that regard.

 Are you ignoring all of the insults you've tossed out?

 Are you really advocating moderation, or is it censorship?  From the way I'm reading it, you would like certain people censored so they cannot dispute or challenge your ideology.  Am I wrong?

And if that’s how you want it, fine. But consider this. The AOPA board is closing. Whatever you want to say about it, there were numerous participants. Where will they go? One guy felt the need to set up his own board, actually a rather gallant effort I think. Why didn’t they come here?

 In large part, the majority of those people don't know this board exist.  This board is not advertised, and it is not google searchable.  Basically it's word of mouth.

 Now, if the various aviation boards would allow pilotspin to put a banner up, I'd say we would see membership and participation quadruple overnight.

 It's obvious you don't like the majority of participants here for one reason or another.  I have my belief on why you don't like many here.   Either way, as said many times over, we don't moderate, and anyone is welcome.   Take it for what it's worth.
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: Steingar on October 04, 2019, 07:13:10 PM
If by “everyone is welcome” you mean anyone with a dissenting view is welcome to vitriol and derision, then I’ll agree. The proof is in the pudding, I think I’m the last liberal leaning participant to post here on even a semi regular basis.

But I can see I’m wasting my breath. Instead of looking inward all you guys can do is shoot the messenger. That’s fine, by the way. Things will stay as they are.
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: Rush on October 04, 2019, 08:04:08 PM
Why can’t we have a discussion about a topic that remains completely removed from emotion and personal accusations? Nothing is said except facts or at least what one thinks is a fact about the topic.

For example, what are the pros and cons of universal healthcare?

Pros:
* severing health insurance from employment would encourage small business growth and eliminate the problem of losing insurance when you lose your job
* it would simplify paperwork and standardize costs and care
* it might ease overcrowding in ERs because everyone would have coverage and could see a regular doctor

Cons:
* it would be very expensive and might lead to higher taxes and/or contribute to bankrupting the U.S.
* would it put the health insurance companies out of business? Or would they be nationalized by the government and used as administrators? Either way it would be a massive disruption
* it would totally eliminate any motivation to self ration, and shortages could result
* if private fee for service is allowed it would result in a two tiered system where the rich get better care. If not allowed it could result in severely inferior care in some areas.
* the track record for managing large, complex sections of the economy from a distant centralized authority is pretty terrible. Standardizing costs and care is actually not always a good thing.

Can Steingar address these ideas without referencing “Mango Mussolini” or otherwise insulting the person most of us here voted for? Can any of the rest of you address these ideas without calling another poster a communist for merely agreeing that there may be merit in considering universal healthcare?

Can people agree or disagree with items in my pro and con list and expound on exactly why, without resorting to ideological generalities such as, “universal healthcare is a communist plot”, or “the private healthcare system is the result of the white male patriarchy and puts profit over the lives of women and minorities”.

I am NOT asking you to actually talk about healthcare, at least not in this thread. I am asking if you think you could, hypothetically, discuss it without deteriorating into mudslinging. It’s just an illustrative example of what I’d like to see in discussions of topics.
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: Bob Noel on October 05, 2019, 03:54:49 AM
Who likes to be told that they are wrong?

It seems to me that it's only natural for people to be defensive when others criticize.

One question is whether or not one considers the criticism or is happier to play the victim.

Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: Anthony on October 05, 2019, 04:11:22 AM
Can Steingar address these ideas without referencing “Mango Mussolini” or otherwise insulting the person most of us here voted for? Can any of the rest of you address these ideas without calling another poster a communist for merely agreeing that there may be merit in considering universal healthcare?

I like when he uses terms like "Mango Mussolini".  I think it's funny and reflects the true person.  You're right, calling people a communist over various policy positions is not conducive to a good discussion.  I don't think people that want universal healthcare are necessarily communists. 
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: Lucifer on October 05, 2019, 06:02:58 AM
If by “everyone is welcome” you mean anyone with a dissenting view is welcome to vitriol and derision, then I’ll agree. The proof is in the pudding, I think I’m the last liberal leaning participant to post here on even a semi regular basis.

But I can see I’m wasting my breath. Instead of looking inward all you guys can do is shoot the messenger. That’s fine, by the way. Things will stay as they are.

 Thanks for attempting to have a discussion.  As for "the proof is in the pudding", yes, yes it is.  The proof is you still refuse to acknowledge your role in creating dissent, you refuse to own up to your own behavior.

 You've made it clear, ad nauseam, that you dislike this forum. 

 And you still are playing the victim.  I guess you like that role.
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: nddons on October 05, 2019, 06:54:25 AM
Thanks for attempting to have a discussion.  As for "the proof is in the pudding", yes, yes it is.  The proof is you still refuse to acknowledge your role in creating dissent, you refuse to own up to your own behavior.

 You've made it clear, ad nauseam, that you dislike this forum. 

 And you still are playing the victim.  I guess you like that role.
Some people are so vested in the love of victimhood status that they often feel the need to create it themselves. 

It must be so rewarding to hear some people beg you to stay and not leave. I guess it’s some perverse way to get to feel desired.

I have no compunction to perpetuate that perversion.
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: Anthony on October 05, 2019, 07:00:19 AM
Don't complain when someone calls you a "troll" when you act like a troll.  Don't complain when someone calls you a liar when you are dishonest. 
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: Lucifer on October 05, 2019, 07:19:33 AM
Some people are so vested in the love of victimhood status that they often feel the need to create it themselves. 

It must be so rewarding to hear some people beg you to stay and not leave. I guess it’s some perverse way to get to feel desired.

I have no compunction to perpetuate that perversion.

Agreed.

 On several occasions I've tried to get the perfesser to engage in actual conversations.   This thread is an example, and we see where it went.
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: Becky on October 05, 2019, 08:48:36 AM
I’ll stand by my proposition that inside Steingar is a conservative struggling to get out. He comes to PilotSpin for tastes of the reason and interchange forbidden by the leftist circles in which he moves.

I predict that by the end of the second Trump term, Steingar will have emerged from his bindings and be basking happily in the light of reality.
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: nddons on October 05, 2019, 11:55:47 AM
I’ll stand by my proposition that inside Steingar is a conservative struggling to get out. He comes to PilotSpin for tastes of the reason and interchange forbidden by the leftist circles in which he moves.

I predict that by the end of the second Trump term, Steingar will have emerged from his bindings and be basking happily in the light of reality.
A little day drinking, Becky? 
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: Becky on October 05, 2019, 03:23:46 PM
A little day drinking, Becky? 
Coffee will sometimes give me a rosier view of the world than is warranted. 😐
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: Anthony on October 05, 2019, 05:59:22 PM
Coffee will sometimes give me a rosier view of the world than is warranted. 😐

Coffee with Bourbon?  LOL.  Just kidding. 
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: Lucifer on October 06, 2019, 06:19:27 AM
I really don't think anyone here honestly wants to read about anything that might conflict with their opinions or world view, and that the nice echo chamber you have going is exactly what you all have been seeking in the first place.

 If you've actually ever read some of my post you will see often I will link an article from a left leaning news source (NYT, Axios, Politico, etc).  Just yesterday I posted an interview with Piers Morgan, who btw, is not someone I care about politically.  But I felt the interview had merit as he is a liberal that honestly does try to engage in debate.

 Other members here also have been linking news and articles from left leaning sources.  And I've noticed when those threads come up, you won't participate in them.

 So your claims of the "echo chamber" are without merit.
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: SkyDog58 on October 06, 2019, 08:12:31 AM
I’ll stand by my proposition that inside Steingar is a conservative struggling to get out. He comes to PilotSpin for tastes of the reason and interchange forbidden by the leftist circles in which he moves.

I predict that by the end of the second Trump term, Steingar will have emerged from his bindings and be basking happily in the light of reality.

A little day drinking, Becky? 

That's beyond a drinking problem!! 

 ;D

Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: Anthony on October 06, 2019, 08:49:16 AM
That's beyond a drinking problem!! 

 ;D

Hey, she's just drinking Mimosas and Irish Coffee so that's OK, right?    :)

They're "morning drinks". 
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: Lucifer on October 06, 2019, 10:32:18 AM
https://www.pilotsofamerica.com/community/threads/the-pilots-place.121856/

I find this interesting that someone would set up a competing forum and then go onto another forum to poach members. 

Also, he makes it clear about his “play nice” rule.  So, who is the arbiter of what “play nice” means?
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: EppyGA on October 06, 2019, 10:36:59 AM
https://www.pilotsofamerica.com/community/threads/the-pilots-place.121856/ (https://www.pilotsofamerica.com/community/threads/the-pilots-place.121856/)

I find this interesting that someone would set up a competing forum and then go onto another forum to poach members. 

Also, he makes it clear about his “play nice” rule.  So, who is the arbiter of what “play nice” means?
I would guess he is, BTW he's a leftie.
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: Anthony on October 06, 2019, 10:40:15 AM
I don't know anything about the guy, and I haven't been on the Purple Board or AOPA in years. but found this interesting.

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My ultimate vision for The Pilot's Place is something larger than just a forum. I'm hoping to add an events module so people can start and manage their own public and private events and courseware so people can create courses on anything that interests them (from "How to land a 172" to "How to make chili"). Also a jobs board for sharing aviation and non-aviation jobs. Basically, I'd like to re-imagine the pilots forum and see where that takes us. The attached document basically says that with a bit more detail.

Financially motivated possibly?
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: SkyDog58 on October 06, 2019, 11:07:27 AM
https://www.pilotsofamerica.com/community/threads/the-pilots-place.121856/

I find this interesting that someone would set up a competing forum and then go onto another forum to poach members. 

Also, he makes it clear about his “play nice” rule.  So, who is the arbiter of what “play nice” means?

Certainly you aren't bothered by the idea that POA might lose members to another site?   I know I'm not.  ;D
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: Lucifer on October 06, 2019, 11:07:45 AM
I don't know anything about the guy, and I haven't been on the Purple Board or AOPA in years. but found this interesting.

Financially motivated possibly?

Certainly looks it. 
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: Lucifer on October 06, 2019, 11:09:10 AM
Could someone go over there on that thread and advertise Pilot Spin?

Include the fact we don’t moderate and everyone is free to join and participate.
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: nddons on October 06, 2019, 03:10:55 PM
Could someone go over there on that thread and advertise Pilot Spin?

Include the fact we don’t moderate and everyone is free to join and participate.
Will do!  I just registered. Gosh, I hope I’m accepted.
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: Lucifer on October 06, 2019, 03:45:22 PM
I see someone questioned the forum moderation on the new board and got nearly a full page response.  It touched a nerve.

That forum will fail.
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: EppyGA on October 06, 2019, 07:14:58 PM
Okay, which one of you started the gun free zone thread over there?
Should be interesting to see how it evolves.
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: Lucifer on October 06, 2019, 07:23:31 PM
Okay, which one of you started the gun free zone thread over there?
Should be interesting to see how it evolves.

 OK, get your money out......placing bets on how long before it get's locked (or deleted)
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: Little Joe on October 07, 2019, 04:22:21 AM
OK, get your money out......placing bets on how long before it get's locked (or deleted)
I don't think they are going to start doing that so early.  But it will be interesting to see how many side with the pro-gun side and how many anti gun people get their feelings hurt.
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: Bob Noel on October 07, 2019, 04:48:00 AM
Okay, which one of you started the gun free zone thread over there?
Should be interesting to see how it evolves.

any cogent arguements in favor of gun-free zones?

Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: Little Joe on October 07, 2019, 05:07:36 AM
any cogent arguements in favor of gun-free zones?
Sure.  It makes people "feel" safer.
To borrow from Billy Crystal,
Quote
It is better to feel safe than to be safe!.
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: Anthony on October 07, 2019, 05:43:53 AM
any cogent arguements in favor of gun-free zones?

Logical, rational, practical?  NO.  It makes the stupid, the uniformed, the Progressives, the Media, and Politicians FEEL BETTER, and FEEL like they are "doing something".  It is a moronic policy that actually puts people at more risk. 
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: Hawk25 on October 07, 2019, 06:24:47 AM
My warped sense of humor.  I started the gun free zone over there just to see what would happen.  Could get interesting....
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: YouOnlyLiveTwice on October 07, 2019, 06:36:44 AM
You need to register to see any of the forums?
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: EppyGA on October 07, 2019, 08:22:21 AM
It seems to have died out.  No dissenting comments as yet.
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: EppyGA on October 07, 2019, 03:29:08 PM
Brian's response to the Gun Free Zones thread was a bit wishy washy, but he didn't shut it down. 

Trying to decide if I want a "time out" on PoA by responding to the "I'm not gonna lie..." thread.
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: EppyGA on October 09, 2019, 07:01:07 PM
Someone started a Freedom of religion thread in the Politics forum and a post has already been removed. And so it starts.  ::)
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: Lucifer on October 09, 2019, 07:04:36 PM
Someone started a Freedom of religion thread in the Politics forum and a post has already been removed. And so it starts.  ::)

Just wait......
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: EppyGA on October 10, 2019, 08:22:55 AM
Turns out it was Migaldi posting a pic with the word "Fuck" on it.  Joe Ebert deleted the post and Migaldi reposted a modified version of it.
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: Anthony on October 10, 2019, 08:28:40 AM
Turns out it was Migaldi posting a pic with the word "Fuck" on it.  Joe Ebert deleted the post and Migaldi reposted a modified version of it.

Oh, geez Migaldi.  Is he on that new forum? 
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: nddons on October 10, 2019, 09:17:57 AM
Oh, geez Migaldi.  Is he on that new forum?
Not a fan.
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: Anthony on October 10, 2019, 09:30:42 AM
Not a fan.

X2.
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: EppyGA on October 10, 2019, 09:44:01 AM
Oh, geez Migaldi.  Is he on that new forum?
Yep, not sure he'll last long.
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: nddons on October 10, 2019, 09:58:32 AM
Yep, not sure he'll last long.
Are you kidding?  He’s like a cockroach. His frequent vile rhetoric was permitted at least by POA because it came from the left.
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: Jim Logajan on October 10, 2019, 11:09:59 AM
Are you kidding?  He’s like a cockroach. His frequent vile rhetoric was permitted at least by POA because it came from the left.

Not familiar with the person because it looks like I haven’t been on the forums he frequents, but sounds like the kind of new blood this forum needs. (No stirring the pot emoticon? Damn.)
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: Steingar on October 10, 2019, 01:02:20 PM
No way.  He'd break up the echo chamber.
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: Lucifer on October 10, 2019, 01:34:18 PM
No way.  He'd break up the echo chamber.

Well invite him over!
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: Anthony on October 10, 2019, 01:57:21 PM
No way.  He'd break up the echo chamber.

He'd make an ASS out of himself just like everywhere else. 
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: Becky on October 10, 2019, 02:25:14 PM
Bring him on. Like the Stein-meister, he’ll be no match for the razor wits and unparalleled intellects here. I’d love to see the sparks fly.

Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: Username on October 10, 2019, 03:28:36 PM
No way.  He'd break up the echo chamber.
Isn't that what you want?
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: Lucifer on October 10, 2019, 06:21:17 PM
Isn't that what you want?

I don't think he does.  I believe the perfesser uses this forum when he feels he needs to bring out his inner victim.
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: Lucifer on October 14, 2019, 02:43:24 PM
And so it begins..............

https://thepilotsplace.com/forum/index.php?threads/could-the-ukraine-really-be-obama-and-the-democrats-58th-state.236/

 This thread was locked, because the site admin stated

Quote
However, I don't much care for the idea of The Pilot's Place simply becoming a mouthpiece for left-wing or right-wing propaganda. If you want to voice your own opinions on a subject, have at it but please don't start threads just to post attachments like this.

 Oh, his offense?  Posting an article from "Judicial Watch".    Obviously propaganda  :-X   :o
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: Lucifer on October 14, 2019, 02:47:34 PM
And this:

https://thepilotsplace.com/forum/index.php?threads/politics-religion-and-other-difficult-topics-question.237/


 It's gonna devolve.....just wait.
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: EppyGA on October 14, 2019, 02:50:41 PM
And when he started another thread asking why it was locked, Brian went on a rant about how much time it took him to research it and reply to his question.  The Political Forum will not last long.
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: Lucifer on October 14, 2019, 03:18:10 PM
And when he started another thread asking why it was locked, Brian went on a rant about how much time it took him to research it and reply to his question.  The Political Forum will not last long.

 It won't.  The cracks are forming.   
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: EppyGA on October 14, 2019, 03:38:59 PM
Read the document, it has some stuff that looked very bad for the left and shows why this Ambassador was shown the door.
https://myjw.pr.judicialwatch.org/wta/display.php?M=33368&C=3dc6c273fc3920a2120c2305476a43f1&E=rarmellino%2540bakerbatshield.com&L=53&N=7276&S=42533&AGENCY=jw&utm_source=deployer&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=press+release&utm_content=20191014223409
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: Lucifer on October 14, 2019, 03:42:14 PM
Read the document, it has some stuff that looked very bad for the left and shows why this Ambassador was shown the door.
https://myjw.pr.judicialwatch.org/wta/display.php?M=33368&C=3dc6c273fc3920a2120c2305476a43f1&E=rarmellino%2540bakerbatshield.com&L=53&N=7276&S=42533&AGENCY=jw&utm_source=deployer&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=press+release&utm_content=20191014223409

 Yep.  Brian's liberal bias is coming out. 
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: nddons on October 14, 2019, 04:09:47 PM
Read the document, it has some stuff that looked very bad for the left and shows why this Ambassador was shown the door.
https://myjw.pr.judicialwatch.org/wta/display.php?M=33368&C=3dc6c273fc3920a2120c2305476a43f1&E=rarmellino%2540bakerbatshield.com&L=53&N=7276&S=42533&AGENCY=jw&utm_source=deployer&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=press+release&utm_content=20191014223409
You’ve got to be shitting me. That article is about as agnostic as it comes. Just because an investigation (actual investigation, not what the MSM does) leads to partisan dirt doesn’t make the site “propaganda.”

Yea, count the days for that site.

Nice tip of the hat to Lucifer for referring people here.
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: David on October 16, 2019, 12:04:21 PM
I had forgotten I had an account here, but came over from the Pilots Place to see what was up.
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: Little Joe on October 16, 2019, 12:12:54 PM
Welcome.
You will find that we are mostly conservatives,  but we are in need of a few coherent liberals.
You can say anything you want to here but don’t expect others to pull any punches.
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: David on October 16, 2019, 12:28:27 PM
I'm a fairly conservative guy, though not everything I think or believe is lockstep with Republicans. I worked in the US Senate for John Warner back during the time of Gulf 1. My political beliefs are probably still similar to his.

But I don't post my thoughts on those subjects much on the internet, especially social media. Very divisive.

I'm pretty active on the PB where mostly conservative people post, especially in Last.

POA and Brian's board have too much going on for me. I do want to support Brian, though. I think he is a good guy. And he is definitely not in it for the money.

Do I have to verify every time I post, because I cannot read the letters every time.
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: Lucifer on October 16, 2019, 12:30:42 PM
I had forgotten I had an account here, but came over from the Pilots Place to see what was up.

Welcome, make yourself at home.
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: YouOnlyLiveTwice on October 16, 2019, 03:44:51 PM
Welcome, make yourself at home.

Just don't put you feet up on the furniture.
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: EppyGA on October 16, 2019, 04:22:59 PM
Welcome David, this is a regular haunt for me.  Skydog got his wrist slapped over on The Pilot's Place.
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: Anthony on October 16, 2019, 05:45:01 PM
Just don't put you feet up on the furniture.

Why?  We are the Pirates of the aviation community.  You know, eating meat off a dagger, drinking Grog, smacking Wenches on the butt, paying for 100LL in Gold Doubloons.....
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: Anthony on October 16, 2019, 05:46:23 PM
Skydog got his wrist slapped over on The Pilot's Place.

I'm shocked, shocked I tell you!  LOL! 
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: YouOnlyLiveTwice on October 17, 2019, 05:15:22 AM
Why?  We are the Pirates of the aviation community.  You know, eating meat off a dagger, drinking Grog, smacking Wenches on the butt, paying for 100LL in Gold Doubloons.....
and saying “Aarrrrgh” frequently.
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: David on October 17, 2019, 09:13:36 AM
Welcome David, this is a regular haunt for me.  Skydog got his wrist slapped over on The Pilot's Place.

Oh no, I didn't see that. I've been busy the past couple of days doing actual work.  ;D
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: Lucifer on October 17, 2019, 03:28:17 PM
The new forum.

 The list of whack-a-doodles there is growing. And it reminds me of why I stopped frequenting aviation forums.   One whack-a-doodle is complaining about the politics forum and why it needs to be done away with.......and yet he frequently engages in the political talk.

 On the aviation side?  Same old nonsense.
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: Bob Noel on October 17, 2019, 03:30:40 PM
The new forum.

 The list of whack-a-doodles there is growing. And it reminds me of why I stopped frequenting aviation forums.   One whack-a-doodle is complaining about the politics forum and why it needs to be done away with.......and yet he frequently engages in the political talk.


some whack-a-doodles need to be saved from themselves...

Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: Lucifer on October 17, 2019, 03:38:13 PM
some whack-a-doodles need to be saved from themselves...

These are the same whack-a-doodles that get into heated arguments over unicom use, who can log PIC and high wing versus low wing.

Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: Bob Noel on October 17, 2019, 04:50:04 PM
These are the same whack-a-doodles that get into heated arguments over unicom use, who can log PIC and high wing versus low wing.

don't forget "discussions" about when a current medical is required...
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: Anthony on October 17, 2019, 06:12:35 PM
don't forget "discussions" about when a current medical is required...

Wait.  Am I really Night Current?  Stop and go?  Three of them, or did I really do four?  Does a touch and go count for half a stop and go, and does my girlfriend know?
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: Lucifer on October 17, 2019, 06:18:12 PM
Wait.  Am I really Night Current?  Stop and go?  Three of them, or did I really do four?  Does a touch and go count for half a stop and go, and does my girlfriend know?

 I did a landing without a landing light.  Will I get violated?
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: SkyDog58 on October 18, 2019, 06:41:55 AM
Welcome David, this is a regular haunt for me.  Skydog got his wrist slapped over on The Pilot's Place.

How so?  I must have missed that.  Which thread and post? 
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: Little Joe on October 18, 2019, 11:12:40 AM
The new forum must be leaning too far right.  Brian is considering shutting it down.


Should we shut down the politics forum? (Please vote before 11/1/19.)
 Thread starterBrian  Start dateToday at 10:53 AM

The Pilot's Place Site Information
Site Feedback, Questions, Suggestions and Support

 What should we do with the politics forum?

Leave everything the way it is. People can opt-out by clicking on Ignore Forum.   Votes: 4   18.2%
   
Make the politics forum opt-in by providing a user-selectable setting in the user profile.   Votes: 3   13.6%
   
Remove the "Politics, Religion and Other Difficult Topics" forum from The Pilot's Place.   Votes: 13   59.1%   

I don't care   Votes: 2   9.1%   
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: Anthony on October 18, 2019, 11:19:32 AM
The new forum must be leaning too far right.  Brian is considering shutting it down.


Should we shut down the politics forum? (Please vote before 11/1/19.)
 Thread starterBrian  Start dateToday at 10:53 AM

The Pilot's Place Site Information
Site Feedback, Questions, Suggestions and Support

 What should we do with the politics forum?

Leave everything the way it is. People can opt-out by clicking on Ignore Forum.   Votes: 4   18.2%
   
Make the politics forum opt-in by providing a user-selectable setting in the user profile.   Votes: 3   13.6%
   
Remove the "Politics, Religion and Other Difficult Topics" forum from The Pilot's Place.   Votes: 13   59.1%   

I don't care   Votes: 2   9.1%

I'm not surprised.  Can't have non Woke, non PC, non SJW content on a flying website.   Liberal/Progressives (Democrats) need Affirmative Action MODERATION as their arguments can't stand up to reason, logic, and reasonable, common sense thought. 
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: David on October 18, 2019, 11:54:31 AM
I'm not surprised.  Can't have non Woke, non PC, non SJW content on a flying website.   Liberal/Progressives (Democrats) need Affirmative Action MODERATION as their arguments can't stand up to reason, logic, and reasonable, common sense thought.

Personally, I think it is just distracting. It is not why I personally visit an aviation forum. But you may be correct. Dunno
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: Lucifer on October 18, 2019, 12:04:53 PM
Personally, I think it is just distracting. It is not why I personally visit an aviation forum. But you may be correct. Dunno

 We welcome aviation content here, and have a sub forum for that.  And like the political forum, there is no moderation.
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: Little Joe on October 18, 2019, 12:05:19 PM
Personally, I think it is just distracting. It is not why I personally visit an aviation forum. But you may be correct. Dunno
I changed my vote over there to "shut it down" so as not to distract from the aviation forums, and referred people here for political discussion.  I got a "like" for doing that in a previous post in the same thread.
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: David on October 18, 2019, 12:09:56 PM
I changed my vote over there to "shut it down" so as not to distract from the aviation forums, and referred people here for political discussion.  I got a "like" for doing that in a previous post in the same thread.
I "liked" it I think.  Was helping you to get business.  ;D
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: David on October 18, 2019, 12:11:50 PM
We welcome aviation content here, and have a sub forum for that.  And like the political forum, there is no moderation.
I don' really post in Mos on the PB. I don't really post much aviation content there either.   :o

I guess I mainly visit these forums just to talk to people I get along with about subjects that are not controversial!   :D I get enough controversy at work.  :-\
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: nddons on October 18, 2019, 02:37:22 PM
The new forum.

 The list of whack-a-doodles there is growing. And it reminds me of why I stopped frequenting aviation forums.   One whack-a-doodle is complaining about the politics forum and why it needs to be done away with.......and yet he frequently engages in the political talk.

 On the aviation side?  Same old nonsense.
Complaints about “Any aircraft in the area please advise” or zoom climbs? 
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: Lucifer on October 18, 2019, 02:39:49 PM
Complaints about “Any aircraft in the area please advise” or zoom climbs?

Give it time.

Oh, and Capt Ron is in the mix pontificating.   Hell, how long till Henning shows up?
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: nddons on October 18, 2019, 02:50:58 PM
Give it time.

Oh, and Capt Ron is in the mix pontificating.   Hell, how long till Henning shows up?
Oh dear God. The King of Thread Kills.

“Should I use incandescent or LED replacement landing lights?”

Henning:  “The Rothchilds (a/k/a the Joose) are the oligarchs that’s own the world, and if you don’t support urban agriculture by using abandoned manufacturing buildings powered by hydrogen manufactured by docked nuclear submarines, then you’re just a money grubbing Jew who probably never flew a Beech 18 inverted over the Andes mountains tagging targets for the Peruvian military in fighting the Shining Path communists.”
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: Lucifer on October 18, 2019, 02:56:11 PM
Oh dear God. The King of Thread Kills.

“Should I use incandescent or LED replacement landing lights?”

Henning:  “The Rothchilds (a/k/a the Joose) are the oligarchs that’s own the world, and if you don’t support urban agriculture by using abandoned manufacturing buildings powered by hydrogen manufactured by docked nuclear submarines, then you’re just a money grubbing Jew who probably never flew a Beech 18 inverted over the Andes mountains tagging targets for the Peruvian military in fighting the Shining Path communists.”

 Oh, you're familiar?  ;D
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: Jim Logajan on October 18, 2019, 03:08:02 PM
Give it time.

Oh, and Capt Ron is in the mix pontificating.   Hell, how long till Henning shows up?

When Rotor+Wing (or was it Rotor&Wing?) got bounced from (or left) PoA it was sad to see a competent foil of Capt Ron depart.
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: Lucifer on October 18, 2019, 03:13:48 PM
There was a guy on PoA named Wayne Bowers, I always thought he was interesting. Not sure what happened to him.

Another guy was Gieco (or something like that) that would go apocalyptic if anyone said anything negative about an RV.
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: YouOnlyLiveTwice on October 18, 2019, 03:34:17 PM
There was a guy on PoA named Wayne Bowers, I always thought he was interesting. Not sure what happened to him.

Another guy was Gieco (or something like that) that would go apocalyptic if anyone said anything negative about an RV.
i think Wayne is dead. Geico sort of pulled the Irish goodbye.
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: YouOnlyLiveTwice on October 18, 2019, 03:35:41 PM
When Rotor+Wing (or was it Rotor&Wing?) got bounced from (or left) PoA it was sad to see a competent foil of Capt Ron depart.
R&W was an officious putz. Didn’t he go to fly in Asia?
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: EppyGA on October 18, 2019, 05:29:46 PM
Give it time.

Oh, and Capt Ron is in the mix pontificating.   Hell, how long till Henning shows up?


Henning's too busy with his new boat.
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: EppyGA on October 18, 2019, 05:31:37 PM
I do not believe Wayne Bower is dead. Have never that from anyone. He got tired of arguing with idiots.
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: Jim Logajan on October 18, 2019, 05:49:15 PM
R&W was an officious putz. Didn’t he go to fly in Asia?
Agree, and yes that is my understanding. Also alleged to have worked in the FAA. That made him a good match with Ron. When they clashed the eating popcorn gifs came out.
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: Anthony on October 18, 2019, 06:10:35 PM
Oh dear God. The King of Thread Kills.

“Should I use incandescent or LED replacement landing lights?”

Henning:  “The Rothchilds (a/k/a the Joose) are the oligarchs that’s own the world, and if you don’t support urban agriculture by using abandoned manufacturing buildings powered by hydrogen manufactured by docked nuclear submarines, then you’re just a money grubbing Jew who probably never flew a Beech 18 inverted over the Andes mountains tagging targets for the Peruvian military in fighting the Shining Path communists.”

Hey.  I'm using Russian Nuke Subs in tandem with solar panels to avoid man made climate change! 
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: nddons on October 19, 2019, 05:09:16 AM
Hey.  I'm using Russian Nuke Subs in tandem with solar panels to avoid man made climate change!
I wonder if Henning’s GoFundMe for raising capital for his urban agriculture ever raised more than the $10 out of $10,000 that i last saw.
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: EppyGA on October 19, 2019, 07:35:38 AM
Looks like the Political Forum will be shutdown over at The Pilots Place. Only 12% of the total of registered users voted in Brian's poll and only 7% voted to shut it down.  Seems like standard Liberal bullshit as we bow down to a small percentage of the overall user base.

Brian was a member for a long time at the Purple Board (purpleboard.net). That forum was started as a protest to heavy handedness at the Red Board.  A group of us participate in a thread called "Last". It is somewhat like a chat room, just not real time. Many of us have actually met face to face and in "Last" we share what is going on in our lives, etc. 

Brian was a regular in "Last" until he got his panties in a wad over something and suddenly left the Purple Board entirely.  Being pissed off, he decide to to start The Pilots Place and invite us all over there. It bombed spectacularly and he shut it down and became a regular on the Red Board.  Once it was announced the Red Board was closing, he saw an opening to restart his previous failed board and thus The Pilots Place was reborn.  Certainly, it is his board and he can do as he likes and is in the process of doing so. He has, obviously, been easily swayed by some of his leftist friends to shut down the political forum. 

I, quite likely, will no longer participate on his board.  Many of the threads there are very similar to PoA so I don't need another forum where we discuss high wing vs low wing or straight in approaches, etc.
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: Anthony on October 19, 2019, 07:42:00 AM
Looks like the Political Forum will be shutdown over at The Pilots Place. Only 12% of the total of registered users voted in Brian's poll and only 7% voted to shut it down.  Seems like standard Liberal bullshit as we bow down to a small percentage of the overall user base.

Brian was a member for a long time at the Purple Board (purpleboard.net). That forum was started as a protest to heavy handedness at the Red Board.  A group of us participate in a thread called "Last". It is somewhat like a chat room, just not real time. Many of us have actually met face to face and in "Last" we share what is going on in our lives, etc. 

Brian was a regular in "Last" until he got his panties in a wad over something and suddenly left the Purple Board entirely.  Being pissed off, he decide to to start The Pilots Place and invite us all over there. It bombed spectacularly and he shut it down and became a regular on the Red Board.  Once it was announced the Red Board was closing, he saw an opening to restart his previous failed board and thus The Pilots Place was reborn.  Certainly, it is his board and he can do as he likes and is in the process of doing so. He has, obviously, been easily swayed by some of his leftist friends to shut down the political forum. 

I, quite likely, will no longer participate on his board.  Many of the threads there are very similar to PoA so I don't need another forum where we discuss high wing vs low wing or straight in approaches, etc.

My thoughts exactly.  Same old crap by the same old "experts" trying to make themselves feel superior in their aviation knowledge. 
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: Little Joe on October 19, 2019, 07:50:25 AM
I, quite likely, will no longer participate on his board.  Many of the threads there are very similar to PoA so I don't need another forum where we discuss high wing vs low wing or straight in approaches, etc.
That's pretty much what I said in my last post there.
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: Lucifer on October 19, 2019, 07:58:32 AM
That forum will fail, the signs are already there.

The political forum only exist there because the snowflakes have a safe space (moderation).   Like previously stated, a small minority of the snowflakes will have the political talk silenced.
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: EppyGA on October 19, 2019, 08:27:24 AM
Well, that was interesting. I started a thread to invite folks to Pilot Spin when the Political Forum gets shut down at The Pilots Place. Brian deleted it.
Quote
Your thread Pilot Spin...A Place for Pilots Tha Want to Discuss Politics was deleted. Reason: Pilotspin has been noted at this forum multiple times so far. POA let me make exactly one post mention the pilot's place.  I think there's been enough advertising for pilotspin.
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: Little Joe on October 19, 2019, 08:33:33 AM
Well, that was interesting. I started a thread to invite folks to Pilot Spin when the Political Forum gets shut down at The Pilots Place. Brian deleted it.
Interesting.  And distressing.
I have made quite a few references and referrals to Pilotspin over there.  AFAIK, they have not (yet) been deleted.
I wonder why he thought it was ok to plug his site elsewhere, but doesn't like it when it hits home.  I thought he was better than that.  My mistake for trusting an admitted liberal.
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: Anthony on October 19, 2019, 08:36:09 AM
Interesting.  And distressing.
I have made quite a few references and referrals to Pilotspin over there.  AFAIK, they have not (yet) been deleted.
I wonder why he thought it was ok to plug his site elsewhere, but doesn't like it when it hits home.  I thought he was better than that.  My mistake for trusting an admitted liberal.

The hypocrisy of liberal/progressives knows no bounds.  They promote all the "fixes" for demonizing fossil fuels due to man made climate change, yet are content to burn leaded gasoline for fun.  Never could figure that one out. 

Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: EppyGA on October 19, 2019, 08:36:45 AM
I've posted a reply over there.
https://thepilotsplace.com/forum/index.php?threads/should-we-shut-down-the-politics-forum-please-vote-before-11-1-19.300/page-4
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: Lucifer on October 19, 2019, 09:26:47 AM
Well, that was interesting. I started a thread to invite folks to Pilot Spin when the Political Forum gets shut down at The Pilots Place. Brian deleted it.

Yet he (Brian) jumped into other forums trying to poach members over to his little nirvana. 

Hypocrisy knows no boundaries.
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: Lucifer on October 19, 2019, 10:01:31 AM
I didn’t realize the pilots place owner was such a drama queen.

I’m done with it. 
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: EppyGA on October 19, 2019, 08:05:14 PM
Who the hell is this jack ass flholbert and why won't he go away.  What a royal pain in the ass.
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: Lucifer on October 19, 2019, 08:29:21 PM
Who the hell is this jack ass flholbert and why won't he go away.  What a royal pain in the ass.

He wants to control forum content.

BTW, I deleted my account there.  It's not worth the effort, too many whack jobs on that forum.
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: David on October 20, 2019, 01:48:55 AM
Who the hell is this jack ass flholbert and why won't he go away.  What a royal pain in the ass.
Frank was one of the early participants (not sure he was exactly a founder, but maybe) of the purple board.

When I first got into aviation big time and decided I had to get my license, I came across Frank’s videos which had audio. That lead me to the Red and I joined AOPA for the training magazine but also so I could get on the forums.

Then I saw how Frank pretty much got run off from every forum he was on. When I got back on Red in its last few weeks, I was surprised that Frank was back posting there. Ron Levy, too.  He has had a similar forum history.
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: Lucifer on October 20, 2019, 06:16:19 AM
Got a note from a friend this morning telling me that fuckwad Bockleman is over there now telling Brian to essentially run his forum like PoA.

 Ya'll enjoy the drama.  That board is not even a week old and it's spinning down the drain.
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: Becky on October 20, 2019, 06:59:55 AM
Whenever I look at PoA, I first look for the locked thread symbol and zoom right into that thread to see what’s been discussed.  Because the most interesting threads are the locked ones.

I’ve noticed a POSSIBLE, SLIGHT opening up of my liberal friends lately, a willingness to engage longer, stay on topic, actually LISTEN before kneejerkily veering away to The Narrative and slamming the conversational door.

Could be the Dems have finally alienated them, could be my hopelessly naive imagination. But after three solid years of being lied to by their “trusted” sources, some home truths certainly might have seeped through.
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: EppyGA on October 20, 2019, 07:01:33 AM
Got a note from a friend this morning telling me that fuckwad Bockleman is over there now telling Brian to essentially run his forum like PoA.

 Ya'll enjoy the drama.  That board is not even a week old and it's spinning down the drain.


Correct, he told Brian that doing away with the SZ saved PoA.
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: Lucifer on October 20, 2019, 07:04:44 AM
Whenever I look at PoA, I first look for the locked thread symbol and zoom right into that thread to see what’s been discussed.  Because the most interesting threads are the locked ones.

I’ve noticed a POSSIBLE, SLIGHT opening up of my liberal friends lately, a willingness to engage longer, stay on topic, actually LISTEN before kneejerkily veering away to The Narrative and slamming the conversational door.

Could be the Dems have finally alienated them, could be my hopelessly naive imagination. But after three solid years of being lied to by their “trusted” sources, some home truths certainly might have seeped through.

 The MSM is so over the top now, and not even attempting to hide their bias.  CNN has been busted big time by Project Veritas.

 How can anyone with a few functioning brain cells look at the ongoing clown show in DC, with ring leaders Pelosi, Schumer, Schiff and the Squad and not question what's really going on?   Even Hillary is being called bat shit crazy by those in the democrat party.
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: Lucifer on October 20, 2019, 07:05:55 AM

Correct, he told Brian that doing away with the SZ saved PoA.

Unreal.

Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: nddons on October 20, 2019, 07:09:17 AM
Well, that was interesting. I started a thread to invite folks to Pilot Spin when the Political Forum gets shut down at The Pilots Place. Brian deleted it.
What a child!  I thought he previously said it was a lot of work to moderate his board, with work and all. Now he’s deleting posts because ... he’s seen it before? 

Smh.
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: Lucifer on October 20, 2019, 07:13:55 AM

Correct, he told Brian that doing away with the SZ saved PoA.

 Maybe you should tell Brian to change the background of his homepage to unicorns and rainbows.............and pretty little clouds that spell out "play nice!"     ::)
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: nddons on October 20, 2019, 07:20:06 AM
Got a note from a friend this morning telling me that fuckwad Bockleman is over there now telling Brian to essentially run his forum like PoA.

 Ya'll enjoy the drama.  That board is not even a week old and it's spinning down the drain.
Is that the guy who owned a 195?  I met him once at a little POA drive-in (due to Wx) at Janesville WI. He’s a dork. That’s also where I met Migaldi. After that he was bugging me to be a safety pilot with him so he could do IFR currency. No thank you.
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: nddons on October 20, 2019, 07:23:20 AM

Correct, he told Brian that doing away with the SZ saved PoA.
Kind of like how decriminalizing drug use and shitting in the streets has saved San Francisco.
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: Lucifer on October 20, 2019, 07:29:48 AM
Is that the guy who owned a 195?

That's him.  Big ego dork.  He plays favorites on PoA, has absolutely no business being a moderator on any board.


That’s also where I met Migaldi. After that he was bugging me to be a safety pilot with him so he could do IFR currency. No thank you.

 That asswipe is also on TPP.   Like I said, the whack-a-doodles over there is a bit much, so I deleted my membership.  The big whack-a-doodle, fholbert, is a California Progressive who wants to set the rules (surprise!)   
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: Anthony on October 20, 2019, 07:52:03 AM
A bunch of people trying to impress themselves with their aviation knowledge.  Oh boy, more egos. 
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: EppyGA on October 20, 2019, 12:27:23 PM
Is that the guy who owned a 195?  I met him once at a little POA drive-in (due to Wx) at Janesville WI. He’s a dork. That’s also where I met Migaldi. After that he was bugging me to be a safety pilot with him so he could do IFR currency. No thank you.


Migaldi is okay, if you stay away from politics. My wife and I have had dinner with Scot and Karen twice and had good conversations.
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: Hawk25 on October 20, 2019, 12:45:31 PM
I’ve noticed a POSSIBLE, SLIGHT opening up of my liberal friends lately, a willingness to engage longer, stay on topic, actually LISTEN before kneejerkily veering away to The Narrative and slamming the conversational door.

Could be the Dems have finally alienated them, could be my hopelessly naive imagination. But after three solid years of being lied to by their “trusted” sources, some home truths certainly might have seeped through.
I've noticed the same around here and I live close to a major university.  But I see more embarrassing looks as though they remember what they've said or what they've seen in the past on MSM and has now been debunked.  Could be my imagination...
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: Lucifer on October 20, 2019, 12:46:38 PM
Eppy,

If you want to trigger that holbert guy, just remind him that Reagan was right when he fired the controllers.   ;D
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: Anthony on October 20, 2019, 01:04:29 PM
Eppy,

If you want to trigger that holbert guy, just remind him that Reagan was right when he fired the controllers.   ;D

LOL!  Was he a controller?
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: Lucifer on October 20, 2019, 01:31:00 PM
LOL!  Was he a controller?

Yep
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: EppyGA on October 22, 2019, 05:54:23 AM
Now that the Political Forum has been made opt in and the hub bub has quieted, the forum itself has gotten pretty quiet. PoA has much more activity.
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: Anthony on October 22, 2019, 07:06:18 AM
Now that the Political Forum has been made opt in and the hub bub has quieted, the forum itself has gotten pretty quiet. PoA has much more activity.

I guess there is only so much people can talk about "my engine is running rough, what should I do about it?
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: Lucifer on October 22, 2019, 07:12:15 AM
I guess there is only so much people can talk about "my engine is running rough, what should I do about it?

My impression was it's a clique.   I've never been on the AOPA board, but those I saw on the new one were very cliquish.

Like I said, I removed my profile and membership there, not worth wasting time over.
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: Becky on October 22, 2019, 08:20:49 AM
Now that the Political Forum has been made opt in and the hub bub has quieted, the forum itself has gotten pretty quiet. PoA has much more activity.
I liked Spin Zone on POA. Is this new forum’s opt-in Political Forum worth signing in for?
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: Little Joe on October 22, 2019, 08:25:15 AM
I liked Spin Zone on POA. Is this new forum’s opt-in Political Forum worth signing in for?
It’s new, so not all of the liberals have bailed yet.
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: Anthony on October 22, 2019, 08:29:53 AM
It’s new, so not all of the liberals have bailed yet.

And they won't as the owner and moderators are Leftists and will give them Liberal/Progressive Affirmative Action moderation, just like at POA before SZ was closed.
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: Lucifer on October 22, 2019, 08:40:22 AM
It’s new, so not all of the liberals have bailed yet.

But the owner is a lib, and he moderates on his own rules.  So if you challenge a lefty there, and hurt his feelings, expect to be booted.
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: Becky on October 22, 2019, 08:43:31 AM
So they’re trying to turn it into a liberal echo chamber? I didn’t think libs did that. Perhaps Steingar (he/him/bloated ego) would feel at home there.
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: Lucifer on October 22, 2019, 08:59:56 AM
So they’re trying to turn it into a liberal echo chamber? I didn’t think libs did that. Perhaps Steingar (he/him/bloated ego) would feel at home there.

Yes he would.  He would have a safe space and be protected.
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: YouOnlyLiveTwice on October 22, 2019, 09:12:58 AM
Who is this guy Brian (without a Y")?
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: EppyGA on October 22, 2019, 09:21:05 AM
So they’re trying to turn it into a liberal echo chamber? I didn’t think libs did that. Perhaps Steingar (he/him/bloated ego) would feel at home there.
Since it became opt-in there has been zero activity on any of the Political threads, for that matter the board itself has been slow. While it is Brian's forum he has enlisted Joe Ebert to help moderate, Joe is not a leftist.
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: EppyGA on October 22, 2019, 09:26:48 AM
Who is this guy Brian (without a Y")?
Brian is a pilot out of Queensbury, NY.  He is on the left and does get butt hurt fairly easily.  He used to be a regular on the Purple Board and hung out in the "Last" thread over there. Some where along the way he got butt hurt by someone and disappeared from the board.
After he left the board hen then tried to start The Pilots Place and invited all of us to go there. Many of us checked it, but in the end we all just stayed at the Purple Board as we didn't see a need to have two boards for the same shit and The Pilots Place died.

With the Red Board closing, Brian saw an opening to try The Pilots Place again and invite all of his Red Board friends over there as well as going to PoA and starting a thread there inviting everyone to join his board, one might call it "poaching" 

I've not had the chance to meet Brian in person, but others from the PB that have say he's a nice guy. He enjoys cooking and entertaining and his dog, Jake.
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: EppyGA on October 22, 2019, 05:05:02 PM
Wow, 363 members here. yet the majority don't post.

BTW, Brian unfriended me on FB this afternoon.
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: Bob Noel on October 22, 2019, 05:17:41 PM

BTW, Brian unfriended me on FB this afternoon.

I hope you manage to find the courage to persevere.

Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: Lucifer on October 22, 2019, 05:20:02 PM
Wow, 363 members here. yet the majority don't post.

BTW, Brian unfriended me on FB this afternoon.

He's a dipshit.  Just watching him flail around with his website was enough for me.
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: Bob Noel on October 22, 2019, 05:31:24 PM
Wow, 363 members here. yet the majority don't post.


Close to half of the 363 members registered this year, probably most of those are, hmmm, what do you call someone who registers and has never been active? 
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: Lucifer on October 22, 2019, 05:33:05 PM
Close to half of the 363 members registered this year, probably most of those are, hmmm, what do you call someone who registers and has never been active?

We have lots of lurkers, and that's fine.
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: Bob Noel on October 22, 2019, 05:39:24 PM
We have lots of lurkers, and that's fine.

as I understand it, a lurker would still show up as "active" even if she doesn't post.  A lot of the names registered in 2019 have never been "active", e.g., never even read any posts.

Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: Lucifer on October 22, 2019, 05:58:33 PM
as I understand it, a lurker would still show up as "active" even if she doesn't post.  A lot of the names registered in 2019 have never been "active", e.g., never even read any posts.

We have those as well.  It's all good.
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: nddons on October 22, 2019, 06:23:31 PM
Wow, 363 members here. yet the majority don't post.

BTW, Brian unfriended me on FB this afternoon.
How do you know someone has unfriended you on FB? Serious question. I told someone to unfriend me today.
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: EppyGA on October 22, 2019, 06:47:56 PM
How do you know someone has unfriended you on FB? Serious question. I told someone to unfriend me today.


On a computer, using a browser you can install Fluff Busting Purity (FBP) in your browser. Not sure if you're using a FB app on a tablet or phone
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: Anthony on October 23, 2019, 04:16:40 AM
BTW, Brian unfriended me on FB this afternoon.

That is really immature, and very telling about someone's personality and character.  Goes hand in hand with being liberal/progressive Democrat.  You have to be a dipshit. 

Do you know why?  I guess you said something he didn't like.  I think I know you, at least in this environment, and I've never seen your post anything by which someone would be offended. 
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: Mr Pou on October 23, 2019, 04:50:23 AM
That is really immature, and very telling about someone's personality and character.  Goes hand in hand with being liberal/progressive Democrat.  You have to be a dipshit. 

Do you know why?  I guess you said something he didn't like.  I think I know you, at least in this environment, and I've never seen your post anything by which someone would be offended.

I've never unfriended, ignored, or kill filed anyone in my whole existence on the web. I may not always agree with a person's opinions, but they have every right to be heard. If I don't like it, the delete or back key works just fine.
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: EppyGA on October 23, 2019, 06:09:56 AM
That is really immature, and very telling about someone's personality and character.  Goes hand in hand with being liberal/progressive Democrat.  You have to be a dipshit. 

Do you know why?  I guess you said something he didn't like.  I think I know you, at least in this environment, and I've never seen your post anything by which someone would be offended.


I would guess someone saw my post about the his history on the PB and his original startup of his board that failed and told him about it.
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: Lucifer on October 23, 2019, 06:15:22 AM

I would guess someone saw my post about the his history on the PB and his original startup of his board that failed and told him about it.

From my brief time on his forum I observed he has super thin skin and is easily triggered.  His moderation is clearly based upon what he alone deems inappropriate.

 Like I stated earlier, it appears he just wants a room for his clique and isn't actually interested in "outsiders" invading his little safe space.
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: Anthony on October 23, 2019, 06:20:22 AM
From my brief time on his forum I observed he has super thin skin and is easily triggered.  His moderation is clearly based upon what he alone deems inappropriate.

 Like I stated earlier, it appears he just wants a room for his clique and isn't actually interested in "outsiders" invading his little safe space.

That is my impression also.  Another Progressive Snowflake.  He belongs in New York with Cuomo.  I am sure he believes fossil fuel is causing man made climate change but still chooses to burn leaded gasoline for fun.  Another hypocrite like all the other Democrats that fly personal airplanes. 
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: Lucifer on October 23, 2019, 06:26:06 AM
That is my impression also.  Another Progressive Snowflake.  He belongs in New York with Cuomo.  I am sure he believes fossil fuel is causing man made climate change but still chooses to burn leaded gasoline for fun.  Another hypocrite like all the other Democrats that fly personal airplanes.

 "Socialism is for the people, not the socialist" - Andrew Wilkow
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: David on October 23, 2019, 07:17:09 AM

I would guess someone saw my post about the his history on the PB and his original startup of his board that failed and told him about it.
He posted the reason why on the pilots place forum. It was people on the left and right he said. It’s in the last thread that I started there.
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: EppyGA on October 24, 2019, 03:07:45 PM
Looks like taking points are coming out vis-à-vis any indictments that might come out Barr and Durhams investigation.  This was posted on The Pilots Place




Quote
Why bother following then? Wouldn't these indictments be more right wing conspiracy theories on steroids? Just a crazy President dictator ordering his Justice Department buddies to jail all his political enemies in a desperate effort to help him steal yet another election?
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: Lucifer on October 24, 2019, 03:13:45 PM
"The flak is the heaviest over the target".

 I tend to believe one of the reasons for the current impeachment coup attempt has it's roots in these investigations.  The dems are anxious to get this buried, and if they could get Trump out of the way, they could also get Barr gone as well.

 Expect the MSM to start playing down anything that comes out.
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: Becky on October 24, 2019, 04:04:12 PM
The scary thing is that, just as trust in the media has eroded, trust in government has eroded. If the left can continuously attempt to oust a sitting president, as we are seeing them do, what’s to keep them from claiming any charges made by that president’s administration are invalid, as Eppy’s quote states?

As it stands now, if charges are made and trials held, the left would believe all Ds are innocent, and the right would be helpless against the barrage of resistance. In the weirdest twist of irony, the left would claim they were being Kavanaughed.

We need more miracles.
Title: Re: New Pilot Forum
Post by: Anthony on October 25, 2019, 02:41:37 AM
The scary thing is that, just as trust in the media has eroded, trust in government has eroded. If the left can continuously attempt to oust a sitting president, as we are seeing them do, what’s to keep them from claiming any charges made by that president’s administration are invalid, as Eppy’s quote states?

As it stands now, if charges are made and trials held, the left would believe all Ds are innocent, and the right would be helpless against the barrage of resistance. In the weirdest twist of irony, the left would claim they were being Kavanaughed.

We need more miracles.

The Media is the biggest problem.  They convince a lot of lazy Americans that Trump and Republicans are bad, but the Democrat and their God, BIG GOVERNMENT is benign.  Nothing could be further from the truth.