PILOT SPIN
Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: Lucifer on October 14, 2019, 05:42:40 AM
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https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2019/10/13/ranking-member-doug-collins-discusses-pelosi-schiff-and-lawfare-impeachment-scheme-progress/#more-173605
Speaker Pelosi, with forethought and planning by the Lawfare Alliance, is intentionally using non-jurisdictional committees because she is manipulating the process. It’s the same reason why the House Intelligence, House Foreign Affairs and House Oversight committees cannot legally send out “Impeachment-based Subpoenas“; they have no impeachment jurisdiction. {Go Deep} and {Go Deep} to understand why.
The “impeachment” subpoenas’ are not technically subpoenas because the basis for the requests, impeachment inquiry, is not within the jurisdiction of the three committees. So the committees are sending out demand letters, calling them subpoenas (media complies with the narrative), and hoping the electorate do not catch on to the scheme.
The House democrats will keep doing this until someone in the media begins to hit them with hard questions that expose the nonsense.
https://fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R45769.pdf
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https://spectator.org/nixon-the-glaring-exception-to-grand-jury-secrecy/
What is one to conclude regarding this intriguing state of legal affairs — other than that “too many chiefs spoil the soup”? I submit it is this: Documents that recently have come to light indicate that all sorts of legal corners were cut in the all-out effort to undo Nixon’s 1972 reelection victory and to drive him from office. We should be most alert that the same shortcuts are not being used to do the same to President Trump.
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The literal definition of modern democrat is lying, scumbag.
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Mulvaney said, on television, that there was quid pro quo. On camera. Its on Youtube. And you guys don't care because it's Trump.
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Mulvaney said, on television, that there was quid pro quo. On camera. Its on Youtube. And you guys don't care because it's Trump.
You are right. I don't care, but it is not because of Trump. The only thing I care about is finding out if Joe and Hunter were selling access to the Vice President. And YOU should care about that too. (Channeling many of your past comments).
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Mulvaney said, on television, that there was quid pro quo. On camera. Its on Youtube. And you guys don't care because it's Trump.
Maybe you should call a WAAAAHHHambulance.
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https://townhall.com/tipsheet/leahbarkoukis/2019/10/18/how-mulvaney-responded-to-criticism-that-he-admitted-to-quid-pro-quo-n2554973
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Mulvaney said, on television, that there was quid pro quo. On camera. Its on Youtube. And you guys don't care because it's Trump.
It doesn't appear that he was actually speaking the truth though. We know that 1) Ukraine started investigating Burisma before the call was made and 2) that the aid was held for weeks after the call to ensure that this Ukrainian government was as corrupt as the last one had been. 3) The Ukrainian president never knew and said he never felt pressure.
That's a really, really weak quo. Plus Mulvaney is saying now that his comment was misconstrued and he is stating unequivocally that there was no qpq.
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Mulvaney said, on television, that there was quid pro quo. On camera. Its on Youtube. And you guys don't care because it's Trump.
Let’s weigh two things here:
1) Mulvaney second hand hearsay about Trump trading $400 million for help investigating Russian and/or Ukrainian interference in the 2016 election
2) Biden on tape first hand admission trading $1 billion ($1000 million) for firing a prosecutor getting ready to go after Biden’s son for corruption
Which is a first person confession and which is fumbling descriptions of someone else’s intent?
Which was being done for the good of the whole county’s fair election process and which to cover up and protect their own family’s corruption?
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Let’s weigh two things here:
1) Mulvaney second hand hearsay about Trump trading $400 million for help investigating Russian and/or Ukrainian interference in the 2016 election
2) Biden on tape first hand admission trading $1 billion ($1000 million) for firing a prosecutor getting ready to go after Biden’s son for corruption
Which is a first person confession and which is fumbling descriptions of someone else’s intent?
Which was being done for the good of the whole county’s fair election process and which to cover up and protect their own family’s corruption?
Bingo. Spot on!
Instead of Orange Man Bad. Little Man Bad. LOL!
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https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-diplomat-raised-alarms-2015-over-hunter-bidens-ukraine-business
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Doesn't anyone here believe that both the Bidens and Trump are likely guilty of wrong doing? I do not doubt that the Bidens were dirty in their dealings especially considering that Hunter had no special skills to earn a job paying $50k/month. That reeks of being a payoff. Still, no matter how dirty the Bidens were, it is unconscionable that a US president would ask a foreign leader to investigate a political rival and threaten to withhold congressional approved funds in the process. Which concerns me the most? Trumps wrongdoings as he is a sitting president. However, if there is any chance that this country will elect Biden then his crimes need harder scrutiny as well. But it needs to be investigated by US officials, not some foreign power who is having his arm twisted by the current president for political reasons.
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If you read the actual phone transcripts, Trump did nothing wrong. The media's "interpretation" of the transcripts is the problem.
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Doesn't anyone here believe that both the Bidens and Trump are likely guilty of wrong doing? I do not doubt that the Bidens were dirty in their dealings especially considering that Hunter had no special skills to earn a job paying $50k/month. That reeks of being a payoff. Still, no matter how dirty the Bidens were, it is unconscionable that a US president would ask a foreign leader to investigate a political rival and threaten to withhold congressional approved funds in the process. Which concerns me the most? Trumps wrongdoings as he is a sitting president. However, if there is any chance that this country will elect Biden then his crimes need harder scrutiny as well. But it needs to be investigated by US officials, not some foreign power who is having his arm twisted by the current president for political reasons.
The phone transcript was released promptly, which showed that the supposed whistleblower complaint was wrong.
The President is head of the Executive Branch, which includes the DoJ. It's been verified that the corruption in the Ukraine went back before the election of 2016, and that the democrats were using the Ukraine to dig dirt on Donald Trump, a private citizen that just so happen to be running for president. There is also troubling evidence that a sitting US VP was using his office for financial gain of his children and very possibly for himself. This is corruption on it's face.
The President has every right to have the DoJ investigate this, and also has the right to discuss the investigations with another head of state. The President also retains "executive privilege" in these matters if he chooses. But to be transparent, he waived executive privilege to release the transcript. That's transparency. Biden has been called upon to release transcripts of his involvement with Ukraine, and has refused, citing "executive privilege".
And please don't forget the 3 US Senators and the letter they wrote, demanding the Ukraine help Mueller in his investigation, and if they didn't they would have funds held up. This needs to be investigated as well.
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Doesn't anyone here believe that both the Bidens and Trump are likely guilty of wrong doing? I do not doubt that the Bidens were dirty in their dealings especially considering that Hunter had no special skills to earn a job paying $50k/month. That reeks of being a payoff. Still, no matter how dirty the Bidens were, it is unconscionable that a US president would ask a foreign leader to investigate a political rival and threaten to withhold congressional approved funds in the process. Which concerns me the most? Trumps wrongdoings as he is a sitting president. However, if there is any chance that this country will elect Biden then his crimes need harder scrutiny as well. But it needs to be investigated by US officials, not some foreign power who is having his arm twisted by the current president for political reasons.
Except the red parts aren't true. Stop listening to MSM.
The fact that Biden is a political rival is rather incidental. Trump brought up Crowdstrike and the 2016 election first, and all that led to the Mueller report, and that's the focus of what he's asking for help with. Both Trump and Zelenskyy are coming on the heels of massive corruption in their respective governments and want to cooperate with each other in rooting it out, and it goes WAYYYY beyond Biden and his son.
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Except the red parts aren't true. Stop listening to MSM.
The fact that Biden is a political rival is rather incidental. Trump brought up Crowdstrike and the 2016 election first, and all that led to the Mueller report, and that's the focus of what he's asking for help with. Both Trump and Zelenskyy are coming on the heels of massive corruption in their respective governments and want to cooperate with each other in rooting it out, and it goes WAYYYY beyond Biden and his son.
Let's not forget. Biden has not received the nomination yet, so saying "political rival" is a stretch.
Also, don't forget, the Obama Administration began investigating private citizen Trump before he was elected. Anyone see a double standard here? And Trump did nothing to warrant an investigation, IT WAS PURELY POLITICAL. Biden does warrant an investigation due to several laws being broke.
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If I thought the charges against Trump were more than hysterical grasping I might take it more seriously. If I thought the investigation was going to be fair I would support it.
I also think that a thorough and fair investigation of both Biden’s is called for.
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Both Trump and Zelenskyy are coming on the heels of massive corruption in their respective governments and want to cooperate with each other in rooting it out, and it goes WAYYYY beyond Biden and his son.
THAT is what worries the 'Deep State' the most
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https://noqreport.com/2019/10/17/no-mick-mulvaney-didnt-admit-quid-pro-quo-biden-investigation/
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Doesn't anyone here believe that both the Bidens and Trump are likely guilty of wrong doing? I do not doubt that the Bidens were dirty in their dealings especially considering that Hunter had no special skills to earn a job paying $50k/month. That reeks of being a payoff. Still, no matter how dirty the Bidens were, it is unconscionable that a US president would ask a foreign leader to investigate a political rival and threaten to withhold congressional approved funds in the process. Which concerns me the most? Trumps wrongdoings as he is a sitting president. However, if there is any chance that this country will elect Biden then his crimes need harder scrutiny as well. But it needs to be investigated by US officials, not some foreign power who is having his arm twisted by the current president for political reasons.
He's asking to investigate corruption, that Biden happened to be a part of. It is coincidental that he is currently a candidate? Kind of like saying, we can't charge Biden we can't investigate Biden for murder right now, he's a candidate for President.
You are a bit dense, aren't you.
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https://noqreport.com/2019/10/17/no-mick-mulvaney-didnt-admit-quid-pro-quo-biden-investigation/
FWIW, this is how I understood Mulvaney's initial statement and I couldn't wrap my head around the way it was interpreted as a "confession" that Trump abused his office. His later statement of "no quid pro quo" muddied the waters for me. Of course there was a quid pro quo. The only question is whether it was done with corrupt intent. That seems highly questionable to me.
I agree, look into that question, there is cause for concern perhaps, so conduct an investigation. But do it fairly. That is clearly not happening, instead we have a witch hunt.
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FWIW, this is how I understood Mulvaney's initial statement and I couldn't wrap my head around the way it was interpreted as a "confession" that Trump abused his office. His later statement of "no quid pro quo" muddied the waters for me. Of course there was a quid pro quo. The only question is whether it was done with corrupt intent. That seems highly questionable to me.
I agree, look into that question, there is cause for concern perhaps, so conduct an investigation. But do it fairly. That is clearly not happening, instead we have a witch hunt.
That is a good point, in a way every relationship is a quid pro quo. Naturally we do favors for each other and you can’t just say everything that’s not outright charity is inappropriate.
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Does anyone know if the Republicans on Schiff's committee are attending the hearings?
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Does anyone know if the Republicans on Schiff's committee are attending the hearings?
He's been blocking them, and he's been hiding documents from the R's on the committee.
He's a real piece of shit.
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He's been blocking them, and he's been hiding documents from the R's on the committee.
He's a real piece of shit.
Link please.
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Link please.
I’ll post later. This iPhone is not conducive to linking.
Nunez has complained. A few other R’s on the committee have been raising concerns.
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Here's a quick link. There are many more
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/house-gop-members-blast-democrats-for-withholding-impeachment-docs-demand-access-to-records
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https://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2019/10/22/the-real-reason-dems-are-slowing-down-impeachment/
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Just about everyone in the State department connected to this thing is saying quid pro quo. This is not going away. Your Golden boy is in deep do do. And the yutz doesn't even know what he did wrong. And none of you give a shit because its Trump.
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Just about everyone in the State department connected to this thing is saying quid pro quo. This is not going away. Your Golden boy is in deep do do. And the youth doesn't even know what he did wrong. And none of you give a shit because its Trump.
Trump did nothing wrong. Read the transcript. The Democrats know this so will not bring it to a vote in the House. This is pure fantasy, and they know it but are trying to use it to smear Trump anyway. It is failing, and will fail. No runs, no hits, no errors, nobody left on base except TRUMP IN THE WHITE HOUSE until 2025.
Yet instead of reading the actual transcript you believe CNN's and NBC's version of it. Sad, but expected.
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Just about everyone in the State department connected to this thing is saying quid pro quo. This is not going away. Your Golden boy is in deep do do. And the youth doesn't even know what he did wrong. And none of you give a shit because its Trump.
So, if Schiff has a crime, and evidence of this crime, as he keeps claiming, then why doesn't Pelosi have Schiff draft articles of impeachment, and have the vote?
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Just about everyone in the State department connected to this thing is saying quid pro quo. This is not going away. Your Golden boy is in deep do do. And the youth doesn't even know what he did wrong. And none of you give a shit because its Trump.
Every interaction with foreign governments involve some sort of quid pro quo. When foreign nations want our support, we should expect something in return. That’s not illegal, immoral, unethical, or a high crime or misdemeanor. Yet when I read the transcripts of the call, I read nothing that says a quid pro quo. Nothing.
Read it at www.npr.org/2019/09/25/764052120/read-transcript-of-president-trumps-call-with-Ukraine-s-leader
Let me know where the QPQ exists.
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I just want the dims to get on with it.
Write the articles of impeachment, and hold the roll call vote. Let's get going!
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Just about everyone in the State department connected to this thing is saying quid pro quo. This is not going away. Your Golden boy is in deep do do. And the youth doesn't even know what he did wrong. And none of you give a shit because its Trump.
The same state department that turned not only turned a blind eye but facilitated clinton's illegal email server and pay to play with the clinton foundation? No credibility.
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The same state department that turned not only turned a blind eye but facilitated clinton's illegal email server and pay to play with the clinton foundation? No credibility.
The same state dept that left 4 Americans to die in Benghazi? The same state dept that lost $1 billion under SOS Clinton?
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The same state dept that left 4 Americans to die in Benghazi? The same state dept that lost $1 billion under SOS Clinton?
Yep. That state department.
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The same state dept that left 4 Americans to die in Benghazi? The same state dept that lost $1 billion under SOS Clinton?
Including sacrificing one of their own Far Left, Progressive, Democrat GAY ambassador.
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Including sacrificing one of their own Far Left, Progressive, Democrat GAY ambassador.
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Why is all of this so secretive? The republicans are not allowed to have transcripts of the testimony being given, why is that? Schiff is doing this like it is a secret grand jury thing.
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Why is all of this so secretive? The republicans are not allowed to have transcripts of the testimony being given, why is that? Schiff is doing this like it is a secret grand jury thing.
He's doing this to play up to the MSM. He selectively leaks testimony to the press that looks bad for the President, but hides anything that's favorable. Also, he doesn't want the republicans around because they may ask questions, or raise issues that could implode the whole investigation.
Bottom line: He has nothing. Schiff is desperately trying to find something, anything, to hang his hat on. And so far, nothing. This is why now they are saying the "investigation" will take longer.
Look at it this way: This is not an impeachment inquiry, it's an open checkbook for Schiff to run continuous investigations under with zero congressional oversight. Imagine your local prosecutor puts you under "investigation" for something you said to your neighbor. He now uses this investigation to subpoena all of your tax returns, all of your business records, any and all of your private documents, your phone records, your cell phone and your computers. He's bringing your neighbors, co-workers, employees, family, distant acquaintances etc into a lower room in the courthouse and questioning them, and not allowing your lawyer to have any access to any of this. His mission is to find a crime to charge you with.
This is what Schiff is doing, turning our justice system upside down in order to destroy this President. Impeachment was never meant to be used as a political tool to attempt to undo an election.
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He's doing this to play up to the MSM. He selectively leaks testimony to the press that looks bad for the President, but hides anything that's favorable. Also, he doesn't want the republicans around because they may ask questions, or raise issues that could implode the whole investigation.
Bottom line: He has nothing. Schiff is desperately trying to find something, anything, to hang his hat on. And so far, nothing. This is why now they are saying the "investigation" will take longer.
Look at it this way: This is not an impeachment inquiry, it's an open checkbook for Schiff to run continuous investigations under with zero congressional oversight. Imagine your local prosecutor puts you under "investigation" for something you said to your neighbor. He now uses this investigation to subpoena all of your tax returns, all of your business records, any and all of your private documents, your phone records, your cell phone and your computers. He's bringing your neighbors, co-workers, employees, family, distant acquaintances etc into a lower room in the courthouse and questioning them, and not allowing your lawyer to have any access to any of this. His mission is to find a crime to charge you with.
This is what Schiff is doing, turning our justice system upside down in order to destroy this President. Impeachment was never meant to be used as a political tool to attempt to undo an election.
Exactly right.
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Republicans need to get the Sergeant at Arms to enforce the rules. Something is fishy here. I don’t believe it is possible just to exclude the GOP, with their only recourse being to go on Twitter or have a news conference.
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Republicans need to get the Sergeant at Arms to enforce the rules. Something is fishy here. I don’t believe it is possible just to exclude the GOP, with their only recourse being to go on Twitter or have a news conference.
Republicans are too squishy. Yes, we have a few that are fighting back, but for the most part the establishment types are doing nothing, and then dims are capitalizing on this.
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Republicans are too squishy. Yes, we have a few that are fighting back, but for the most part the establishment types are doing nothing, and then dims are capitalizing on this.
Limbaugh talked about this today and is plenty pissed that no one is backing Trump.
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Limbaugh talked about this today and is plenty pissed that no one is backing Trump.
The establishment wants to go back to pre Trump, where they had their Clinton's/Bushes/McCain etc and the establishment could cook up regime changes/conflicts/wars and feed the MIC.
Too many of the R's are owned by the special interest groups, and they don't dare go against them. Obama Care is a prime example of just how these establishment R's are owned.
The establishment R's would have been just happy to have had President Hillary.
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Speaking of establishment republicans.......
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/10/rush-limbaugh-on-do-nothing-lindsey-graham-he-wont-call-for-hearings-on-ukraine-because-it-would-implicate-john-mccain/
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Yes, a lot of the Republicans are no better than Democrats. They are like Royalty due to the lack of term limits. These pigs stay in office for 30 - 40 years or more, and are virtually untouchable. They all get rich in office as does their family members. If they do happen to lose an election they become swamp dwelling lobbyists.
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Just about everyone in the State department connected to this thing is saying quid pro quo. This is not going away. Your Golden boy is in deep do do. And the youth doesn't even know what he did wrong. And none of you give a shit because its Trump.
He's only in deep doo-doo if the Senate might vote to convict. So far, there's been no clear evidence that he did anything wrong. Sure there was a quid pro quo, and sure Trump stood to benefit politically. But as long as he can argue that his motivation was to investigate corruption / criminal wrongdoing, there is no way in hell that the Republican-controlled Senate is going to vote to remove him from office.
Now if this thing drags on past 2020 and Trump is re-elected but the Senate flips (unlikely, but not impossible), things could get very interesting. Of course that would be spun (with some merit) as Democrats trying to undo the will of the people. I'd rather see him voted out of office next year, and I think there's a good chance that will happen, though the impeachment inquiry is a circus that IMO distracts from the all-important primary process.
(Of course, then the question is who would be better than Trump, and with the current crop of Dems it looks like it's going to be a choice of the lesser of two evils, and frankly I don't know if any of them would be an improvement)
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All of them would be an unmitigated disaster for the U.S.
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Just about everyone in the State department connected to this thing is saying quid pro quo.
Maybe that is because Schift is running the "investigation" in secret and is forbidding anyone to say anything that he doesn't approve of. And he only approves things that make Trump look bad.
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All of them would be an unmitigated disaster for the U.S.
I think so too. But then, so would four more years of Trump. I don't see a good outcome in the near future, maybe in my lifetime.
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I think so too. But then, so would four more years of Trump. I don't see a good outcome in the near future, maybe in my lifetime.
How has Trump's three years been an unmitigated disaster? What policies has he put in place, and what about the country is now a disaster? So how would his next four years be a disaster? What are you basing that on?
We have a three year TRACK RECIORD of a President and a country doing extremely well, but if you believe CNN, NBC and the rest, then you don't believe that. Why would anyone want to risk change from success? Oh, because Orange Man Bad.
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How has Trump's three years been an unmitigated disaster? What policies has he put in place, and what about the country is now a disaster? So how would his next four years be a disaster? What are you basing that on?
We have a three year TRACK RECIORD of a President and a country doing extremely well, but if you believe CNN, NBC and the rest, then you don't believe that.
Well... he REFUSES to be told what he is allowed to think, do and say, by the corrupt press and he did say mean things while the stock market roared back to health, unemployment cratered and jobs were created everywhere you looked....
That would be enough to trigger academics and progressives the world around.
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I think so too. But then, so would four more years of Trump. I don't see a good outcome in the near future, maybe in my lifetime.
The only thing that is a disaster about Trump is how the Dems and the media and the identity politic left are fueling this incredible ongoing hatred that’s tearing the country apart. Drop it already! We’re headed for civil war over it. Let the man do his job! Like it or not he is president. Like it or not he was rightly elected via the Constitutional process.
If there is no good outcome it will be because these people, who cannot accept the 2016 election results, will not let it go and they’ll continue the same if he wins 2020. Wasting millions of taxpayer dollars on stupid fruitless investigations and an impeachment inquiry that will lead to nothing but is growing a HATE monster so big I’ve never seen anything like this is in my lifetime. It is a disaster but Trump isn’t doing it. It doesn’t matter what Trump does, these people will go on with their witch hunt against him and against all of us who voted for Trump, or are not liberals. They are blinded by mindless rage.
“Let’s stop banging on the pilot’s door and trying to pull the guy out of his seat while he’s still flying. You might not like how he’s flying the plane but let’s let him land it.” -Tim Allen
Four more years of Trump is bad? Hell yes if they keep at it. These people don’t care a fuck if we go down in flames. Pelosi and Shift and the rest have their fortunes. Motherfuckers.
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https://www.citizenfreepress.com/breaking/the-democrat-panic-here-is-real/
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The only thing that is a disaster about Trump is how the Dems and the media and the identity politic left are fueling this incredible ongoing hatred that’s tearing the country apart. Drop it already! We’re headed for civil war over it. Let the man do his job! Like it or not he is president. Like it or not he was rightly elected via the Constitutional process.
If there is no good outcome it will be because these people, who cannot accept the 2016 election results, will not let it go and they’ll continue the same if he wins 2020. Wasting millions of taxpayer dollars on stupid fruitless investigations and an impeachment inquiry that will lead to nothing but is growing a HATE monster so big I’ve never seen anything like this is in my lifetime. It is a disaster but Trump isn’t doing it. It doesn’t matter what Trump does, these people will go on with their witch hunt against him and against all of us who voted for Trump, or are not liberals. They are blinded by mindless rage.
“Let’s stop banging on the pilot’s door and trying to pull the guy out of his seat while he’s still flying. You might not like how he’s flying the plane but let’s let him land it.” -Tim Allen
Four more years of Trump is bad? Hell yes if they keep at it. These people don’t care a fuck if we go down in flames. Pelosi and Shift and the rest have their fortunes. Motherfuckers.
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THIS!! Can we get an amen!!
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“Let’s stop banging on the pilot’s door and trying to pull the guy out of his seat while he’s still flying. You might not like how he’s flying the plane but let’s let him land it.” -Tim Allen
He's flying the plane just fine getting the passengers safely to the right destination. The problem is that some people don't like what he's saying on the intercom. And he won't divert the plane to let non-paying passengers get on. All while the flight attendants are screaming "We're all going to die!"
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THIS!! Can we get an amen!!
Amen! But I am more curious to hear how Azure thinks four more years of Trump will be a disaster considering how well the country is doing in the three years under Trump.
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Amen! But I am more curious to hear how Azure thinks four more years of Trump will be a disaster considering how well the country is doing in the three years under Trump.
The MSM is effective for those that follow the narrative.
If one steps outside the bubble, opens their minds to other sources and begins using critical thought, they will see
1) A booming economy
2) Record low unemployment
3) Minorities making record gains in private business
4) Reduction in welfare across the board
5) Actual government deregulation
6) Holding other countries accountable on defense
7) Improving trade for the US
8 ) Increased border security
9) Military being rebuilt
and so on.
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Oh, I totally agree that four more years of Trump will be awful, but not because of him. It’ll be because the leftie insanity will roll on unabated.
I don’t see any indication that Dims will let up on their 24/7 attacks and obstruction and resistance to all things even remotely beneficial to the United States. They’ll continue their attack upon the soul of our republic, and upon civilization itself, and all that is painful to have to live through. But I’ll be voting for Trump nonetheless.
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Oh, I totally agree that four more years of Trump will be awful, but not because of him. It’ll be because the leftie insanity will roll on unabated.
I don’t see any indication that Dims will let up on their 24/7 attacks and obstruction and resistance to all things even remotely beneficial to the United States. They’ll continue their attack upon the soul of our republic, and upon civilization itself, and all that is painful to have to live through. But I’ll be voting for Trump nonetheless.
Exactly. And here's where the playbook comes from:
1. “Power is not only what you have, but what the enemy thinks you have.” Power is derived from 2 main sources – money and people. “Have-Nots” must build power from flesh and blood.
2. “Never go outside the expertise of your people.” It results in confusion, fear and retreat. Feeling secure adds to the backbone of anyone.
3. “Whenever possible, go outside the expertise of the enemy.” Look for ways to increase insecurity, anxiety and uncertainty.
4. “Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules.” If the rule is that every letter gets a reply, send 30,000 letters. You can kill them with this because no one can possibly obey all of their own rules.
5. “Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon.” There is no defense. It’s irrational. It’s infuriating. It also works as a key pressure point to force the enemy into concessions.
6. “A good tactic is one your people enjoy.” They’ll keep doing it without urging and come back to do more. They’re doing their thing, and will even suggest better ones.
7. “A tactic that drags on too long becomes a drag.” Don’t become old news.
8. “Keep the pressure on. Never let up.” Keep trying new things to keep the opposition off balance. As the opposition masters one approach, hit them from the flank with something new.
9. “The threat is usually more terrifying than the thing itself.” Imagination and ego can dream up many more consequences than any activist.
10. "The major premise for tactics is the development of operations that will maintain a constant pressure upon the opposition." It is this unceasing pressure that results in the reactions from the opposition that are essential for the success of the campaign.
11. “If you push a negative hard enough, it will push through and become a positive.” Violence from the other side can win the public to your side because the public sympathizes with the underdog.
12. “The price of a successful attack is a constructive alternative.” Never let the enemy score points because you’re caught without a solution to the problem.
13. “Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.” Cut off the support network and isolate the target from sympathy. Go after people and not institutions; people hurt faster than institutions.
Read this list and look around at what is going on, and has been going on for the past few years.
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Amen! But I am more curious to hear how Azure thinks four more years of Trump will be a disaster considering how well the country is doing in the three years under Trump.
No time to elaborate now, but I am concerned above all with Trump's handling of foreign policy and the military. The final outcome is still uncertain, but the way (not the fact that he did, but the way) he withdrew troops from Syria seems to show either a lack of thinking things through, or a casual disregard of an important national security priority (keeping ISIS from rising up again).
I'm sure that I'll be accused of listening only to the MSM on this, but I don't see how the facts that have been reported in the last few days can be spun any other way.
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The Democrats are the enemy of the American citizen. Look at their agenda. Much of it is focused on give aways to ILLEGAL ALIENS, and bringing in more illegal aliens though Amnesty and Open Borders. If you want to see "abuse of power" look at what the Democrats are doing.
Soros and other foreign Globalists are RUNNING THE DEMOCRATS and the MEDIA. When will people wake up and see this?
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No time to elaborate now, but I am concerned above all with Trump's handling of foreign policy and the military. The final outcome is still uncertain, but the way (not the fact that he did, but the way) he withdrew troops from Syria seems to show either a lack of thinking things through, or a casual disregard of an important national security priority (keeping ISIS from rising up again).
I'm sure that I'll be accused of listening only to the MSM on this, but I don't see how the facts that have been reported in the last few days can be spun any other way.
Keep in mind every president makes military decisions based on all kinds of intel to which the rest of us are not privy. I think we can’t know whether this was the right move or wrong move until we look back with the perspective of history.
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The disaster from 4 more years of Trump is the extent to which the MSM, Hollywood, the DNC and a bunch of rich liberals will be willing to go to make it look like a disaster and blame it on Trump. They are actually doing a pretty good job of creating that impression now. And regardless of facts, impressions are important.
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No time to elaborate now, but I am concerned above all with Trump's handling of foreign policy and the military. The final outcome is still uncertain, but the way (not the fact that he did, but the way) he withdrew troops from Syria seems to show either a lack of thinking things through, or a casual disregard of an important national security priority (keeping ISIS from rising up again).
I'm sure that I'll be accused of listening only to the MSM on this, but I don't see how the facts that have been reported in the last few days can be spun any other way.
We are a member of NATO. Right now everyone (the anti war left) is crying because we won't put our troops into an internal civil war and risk their lives. If NATO was truly this concerned, they have 29 member states (Allies) that can supply manpower and the funds necessary to defend the Syrian Border. Notice NONE of those member states are volunteering?
The left is DEMANDING we use our military and the lives of our troops to guard and defend the Syrian Border. Yet, the left REFUSES to even think about defending and guarding our own border right here in the US. And we have thousands upon thousands of AMERICANS dying because of this.
The hypocrisy stinks to the high heavens.
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No time to elaborate now, but I am concerned above all with Trump's handling of foreign policy and the military. The final outcome is still uncertain, but the way (not the fact that he did, but the way) he withdrew troops from Syria seems to show either a lack of thinking things through, or a casual disregard of an important national security priority (keeping ISIS from rising up again).
I'm sure that I'll be accused of listening only to the MSM on this, but I don't see how the facts that have been reported in the last few days can be spun any other way.
How is our involvement in Syria, or getting out of Syria affecting American's lives and making it a DISASTER here in the U.S.? That makes absolutely no sense. Why should we be involved in meaningless foreign Civil Wars risking lives and money? Why are the left now war mongers for meaningless wars? Orange Man Bad, yet again?
You claim that four more years of Trump will be an "unmitigated disaster" yet you have no evidence of his three years were a disaster except we are getting out of Syria? I and many others think getting out of yet another foreign hell hole is great.
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Let's go a step further.
We keep hearing from the anti war left how Trump is creating all this havoc by keeping our country out of yet another quagmire.
But we have this pesky document the progressives still can't figure out, called the US Constitution. Had they actually tried to read this (Article I, Section 8, Clause 11), they will discover that CONGRESS has the power to declare war, not the President.
So, where is Speaker Pelosi? She's upset Trump won't commit us militarily to Syria. No problem, Nancy and her merry band of progressives can declare war and over ride the President. She just needs to call a vote on the floor of the house.
Now ask yourself this: Why won't Pelosi exercise her constitutional authority and do this?
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No time to elaborate now, but I am concerned above all with Trump's handling of foreign policy and the military. The final outcome is still uncertain, but the way (not the fact that he did, but the way) he withdrew troops from Syria seems to show either a lack of thinking things through, or a casual disregard of an important national security priority (keeping ISIS from rising up again).
I'm sure that I'll be accused of listening only to the MSM on this, but I don't see how the facts that have been reported in the last few days can be spun any other way.
Our 50-1,000 troops trained over 50,000 Kurds and Syrian military ever since Obama sent our armed forces into Syria.
As we’ve learned in Iraq and Afghanistan, after losing 4,902 men and women in trying to do the same, you can only lead a dog to water, but you can’t make him drink.
If ISIS fighters are being let out of jails by Syrians, what exactly is the US supposed to do?
Sorry, but I’m tired of our men and women getting killed by combatants, and getting fragged by the very people we are trying to “help.”
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They weren't done training.
I don't know where the number 50 came from, but there 1000 troops in northeast Syria alone. There were were far more than 1000 total in country.
What is the US to do? Now, nothing. The pooch is screwed and you cannot unscrew it.
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But we gave them TONS of great weapons. Never been fired and only dropped once.
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The poor disenfranchised liberal is whining because the very same president that was being accused of leading us into war, won't wage war for reasons they can't legitimately define beyond, Orange Man Bad.
AT some point people need to turn a deaf ear to the liberals and their never ending bullshit war.
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The only thing that is a disaster about Trump is how the Dems and the media and the identity politic left are fueling this incredible ongoing hatred that’s tearing the country apart.
This why not only must Trump be reelected but we must also take back the House. That will put an end to this foolishness.
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Wow, those "radical" republicans are at it again!
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/juliorosas/2019/10/23/matt-gaetz-leads-republicans-into-closeddoor-meeting-to-demand-transparency-n2555225
Gee, why can't they just compromise with Schiff and let them get on with their little coup? ::)
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How is our involvement in Syria, or getting out of Syria affecting American's lives and making it a DISASTER here in the U.S.? That makes absolutely no sense. Why should we be involved in meaningless foreign Civil Wars risking lives and money? Why are the left now war mongers for meaningless wars? Orange Man Bad, yet again?
Of course not. I've tried to give Trump every chance to prove that he is competent, and given him the benefit of the doubt several times. The fact that I think he's an asshole has no bearing on my opinion of his performance as President and as CIC.
I can think of at least two ways this affects the US and may lead to very negative consequences: first, ISIS is likely to become a significant force again. A retired general (whose name slips my mind) who was interviewed by PBS said that they are already on the rise again, and depending on the number released from Kurdish detention camps, this could either help them a little or a lot. Second, by abandoning an ally, Trump has shot our credibility and national honor to hell. How would you feel if you were Moon Jae-in, with a tiger to your west and a tinpot dictator with nukes to your north, dependent for protection largely on a U.S. presence that we've shown we are capable of withdrawing without a second thought?
You claim that four more years of Trump will be an "unmitigated disaster" yet you have no evidence of his three years were a disaster except we are getting out of Syria? I and many others think getting out of yet another foreign hell hole is great.
I'm not saying that it WILL necessarily be a disaster, but I have no confidence in his competence as CIC at this point, almost as little as I would have in Sanders. And I don't disagree that we need to reduce our foreign involvements, but simply pulling out, leaving an ally in the lurch, is dishonorable and is asking for trouble down the road.
Russia is now strengthening their influence in the ME at an accelerated rate since our pullout started. Do you really think that is in our interest? Do you see any way to reverse that trend? As bflynn said, we've screwed the pooch and I don't see any way to unscrew it.
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They weren't done training.
I don't know where the number 50 came from, but there 1000 troops in northeast Syria alone. There were were far more than 1000 total in country.
What is the US to do? Now, nothing. The pooch is screwed and you cannot unscrew it.
How in the hell do you know that? Seriously. We’ve been at this for 18 fucking years in Iraq and Afghanistan. They won’t take care of their own back yard as long as we are there. If they can’t learn over the months it takes to train a US soldier, they will never get done “training.” They will ALWAYS be looking for the US to carry the load, while looking for ways to murder our own people.
If these saintly Kurds that we are allegedly “abandoning” were the same ones they were helping us for years killing ISIS, why are they not yet fully trained?
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Of course not. I've tried to give Trump every chance to prove that he is competent, and given him the benefit of the doubt several times. The fact that I think he's an asshole has no bearing on my opinion of his performance as President and as CIC.
I can think of at least two ways this affects the US and may lead to very negative consequences: first, ISIS is likely to become a significant force again. A retired general (whose name slips my mind) who was interviewed by PBS said that they are already on the rise again, and depending on the number released from Kurdish detention camps, this could either help them a little or a lot. Second, by abandoning an ally, Trump has shot our credibility and national honor to hell. How would you feel if you were Moon Jae-in, with a tiger to your west and a tinpot dictator with nukes to your north, dependent for protection largely on a U.S. presence that we've shown we are capable of withdrawing without a second thought?
I'm not saying that it WILL necessarily be a disaster, but I have no confidence in his competence as CIC at this point, almost as little as I would have in Sanders. And I don't disagree that we need to reduce our foreign involvements, but simply pulling out, leaving an ally in the lurch, is asking for trouble down the road.
Russia is now strengthening their influence in the ME at an accelerated rate since our pullout started. Do you really think that is in our interest? Do you see any way to reverse that trend? As bflynn said, we've screwed the pooch and I don't see any way to unscrew it.
Ever hear of NATO? Are you even remotely aware that Turkey is a member of NATO?
Have you wondered why NATO has essentially refused to get involved in this Syria mess? And why NATO is expecting the US to stay involved, at our expense and at the expense of American lives?
Oh, those ISIS fighters? Have you stopped to wonder why the countries these fighters are from won't take them back, and are expecting the US to take care of them?
You want (just like the anti war left) to blame this fiasco on the President, but you refuse to look at the entire picture. The anti war left are DESPERATE to get Trump into a quagmire so they can take to the streets. He didn't take the bait, and they're besides themselves.
And finally, back to that pesky constitution. If Speaker Pelosi is so alarmed over this, she has the authority to declare war. Ask yourself why she won't do this.
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Wow, those "radical" republicans are at it again!
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/juliorosas/2019/10/23/matt-gaetz-leads-republicans-into-closeddoor-meeting-to-demand-transparency-n2555225 (https://townhall.com/tipsheet/juliorosas/2019/10/23/matt-gaetz-leads-republicans-into-closeddoor-meeting-to-demand-transparency-n2555225)
Gee, why can't they just compromise with Schiff and let them get on with their little coup? ::)
Finally some Republicans showing some backbone.
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The only thing that is a disaster about Trump is how the Dems and the media and the identity politic left are fueling this incredible ongoing hatred that’s tearing the country apart. Drop it already! We’re headed for civil war over it. Let the man do his job! Like it or not he is president. Like it or not he was rightly elected via the Constitutional process.
If there is no good outcome it will be because these people, who cannot accept the 2016 election results, will not let it go and they’ll continue the same if he wins 2020. Wasting millions of taxpayer dollars on stupid fruitless investigations and an impeachment inquiry that will lead to nothing but is growing a HATE monster so big I’ve never seen anything like this is in my lifetime. It is a disaster but Trump isn’t doing it. It doesn’t matter what Trump does, these people will go on with their witch hunt against him and against all of us who voted for Trump, or are not liberals. They are blinded by mindless rage.
“Let’s stop banging on the pilot’s door and trying to pull the guy out of his seat while he’s still flying. You might not like how he’s flying the plane but let’s let him land it.” -Tim Allen
Four more years of Trump is bad? Hell yes if they keep at it. These people don’t care a fuck if we go down in flames. Pelosi and Shift and the rest have their fortunes. Motherfuckers.
Precisely.
I have a friend that I know through EAA. She’s an Illinois lefty, but so what? I don’t care.
Yet, she keeps bomb throwing, and I rarely if ever respond because I keep FB politics free.
The other day she posted this:
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I was sick of this, so I posted this:
“No wonder the divide in this country is so deep.
“Feel free to unfriend me. I will be on the other side of the line that you just drew.”
Of course her lefty friends said things like this:
“Nancy didn't draw any line; the president did that with his contempt for people less fortunate than he. If we all chose which side to stand on and remain civil, we survive as a democracy.”
I didn’t want to turn her post into a shit throwing contest, so I just didn’t respond further.
This is what the left has wrought.
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Precisely.
I have a friend that I know through EAA. She’s an Illinois lefty, but so what? I don’t care.
Yet, she keeps bomb throwing, and I rarely if ever respond because I keep FB politics free.
The other day she posted this:
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191023/962d2e9536d1a7768602eef8382442c3.jpg)
I was sick of this, so I posted this:
“No wonder the divide in this country is so deep.
“Feel free to unfriend me. I will be on the other side of the line that you just drew.”
Of course her lefty friends said things like this:
“Nancy didn't draw any line; the president did that with his contempt for people less fortunate than he. If we all chose which side to stand on and remain civil, we survive as a democracy.”
I didn’t want to turn her post into a shit throwing contest, so I just didn’t respond further.
This is what the left has wrought.
I know I posted this before, but it clearly explains the radical progressives.
1. “Power is not only what you have, but what the enemy thinks you have.” Power is derived from 2 main sources – money and people. “Have-Nots” must build power from flesh and blood.
2. “Never go outside the expertise of your people.” It results in confusion, fear and retreat. Feeling secure adds to the backbone of anyone.
3. “Whenever possible, go outside the expertise of the enemy.” Look for ways to increase insecurity, anxiety and uncertainty.
4. “Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules.” If the rule is that every letter gets a reply, send 30,000 letters. You can kill them with this because no one can possibly obey all of their own rules.
5. “Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon.” There is no defense. It’s irrational. It’s infuriating. It also works as a key pressure point to force the enemy into concessions.
6. “A good tactic is one your people enjoy.” They’ll keep doing it without urging and come back to do more. They’re doing their thing, and will even suggest better ones.
7. “A tactic that drags on too long becomes a drag.” Don’t become old news.
8. “Keep the pressure on. Never let up.” Keep trying new things to keep the opposition off balance. As the opposition masters one approach, hit them from the flank with something new.
9. “The threat is usually more terrifying than the thing itself.” Imagination and ego can dream up many more consequences than any activist.
10. "The major premise for tactics is the development of operations that will maintain a constant pressure upon the opposition." It is this unceasing pressure that results in the reactions from the opposition that are essential for the success of the campaign.
11. “If you push a negative hard enough, it will push through and become a positive.” Violence from the other side can win the public to your side because the public sympathizes with the underdog.
12. “The price of a successful attack is a constructive alternative.” Never let the enemy score points because you’re caught without a solution to the problem.
13. “Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.” Cut off the support network and isolate the target from sympathy. Go after people and not institutions; people hurt faster than institutions.
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Wow, those "radical" republicans are at it again!
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/juliorosas/2019/10/23/matt-gaetz-leads-republicans-into-closeddoor-meeting-to-demand-transparency-n2555225
Gee, why can't they just compromise with Schiff and let them get on with their little coup? ::)
I need to see who, physically, is keeping these members out. I can pull up a YouTube video of an Antifa member carrying a knife, but I can’t see a physical confrontation of democrats keeping Republicans out of the hearing on a cell phone? Something’s fishy here.
I want some fisticuffs, but I’ll settle for video of Republicans physically trying to force their way past some immovable force that is keeping them out.
So far the GOP just look like 98# weaklings.
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I love when so many people believe CNN, NBC, MSNBC, CBS, ABC, PBS, NYT, Wasghpo, etc.
With Project Veritas exposing CNN's bias and outright acting as an arm of the DNC, how could anyone believe on word that network puts out. And the NYT, which has been exposed to working directly with the democrats.
And PBS/NPR? Oh fuckin' please!
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Finally some Republicans showing some backbone.
The most ironic quote of the week:
'Democrats slammed them in response. Rep. Ilhan Omar, D-Minn., tweeted: "This is what happens when people elect members more interested in media hits than the protection of our national security."'
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The most ironic quote of the week:
'Democrats slammed them in response. Rep. Ilhan Omar, D-Minn., tweeted: "This is what happens when people elect members more interested in media hits than the protection of our national security."'
Omar is just an effing criminal.
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Thought this would be an appropriate thread for this. Erick Erickson is a never Trumper. He has recently said he has donated to Trump and I suspect will vote for him next November.
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/in-defense-of-donald-trump/id415779787?i=1000454670120
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Thought this would be an appropriate thread for this. Erick Erickson is a never Trumper. He has recently said he has donated to Trump and I suspect will vote for him next November.
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/in-defense-of-donald-trump/id415779787?i=1000454670120
No way.
We’ve been told Trump is destroying everything, and his foreign policy is a disaster.
Don’t you listen to NPR? ::)
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Watching The Daily Ledger on OANN currently. This guy is fun to watch.
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How in the hell do you know that? Seriously. We’ve been at this for 18 fucking years in Iraq and Afghanistan. They won’t take care of their own back yard as long as we are there. If they can’t learn over the months it takes to train a US soldier, they will never get done “training.” They will ALWAYS be looking for the US to carry the load, while looking for ways to murder our own people.
If these saintly Kurds that we are allegedly “abandoning” were the same ones they were helping us for years killing ISIS, why are they not yet fully trained?
How do I know that they aren't done training? Because I read extensively and well beyond Fox and Briebart . Here's one link that explains the situation pretty well. We had 5 missions in Syria, the list comes from a Congressional report on Syrian strategy.
https://warontherocks.com/2019/05/the-terrible-case-for-staying-in-syria/
- training and assisting forces fighting ISIL
- direct-action counter-terrorism;
- “enabling civilian-led stabilization efforts
- ” helping the resistance Syrian Democratic Forces handle ISIL prisoners
- serving “as the enabling platform” for the anti-ISIL campaign.
We weren't done. Now every American solider who was killed or wounded in Syria accomplished nothing.
On top of it all, the troops are taking it very hard.
https://www.richmond.com/nyt/international/pullback-leaves-green-berets-feeling-ashamed-and-kurdish-allies-describing/article_0a8d1fb4-46da-5816-84fa-9099b005522a.html
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Seems libs care more about the Syrian border than our own.
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Seems libs care more about the Syrian border than our own.
Yep. And the anti war left have no problem sending our troops to a shithole to die.
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Yep. And the anti war left have no problem sending our troops to a shithole to die.
Actually, they have no problem demanding (or hoping) that Trump does that so they can use it against him. He didn't take the bait. Again.
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Actually, they have no problem demanding (or hoping) that Trump does that so they can use it against him. He didn't take the bait. Again.
And yet, not one liberal can tell us why Speaker Pelosi can't just declare war and over ride the President.
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https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/15069/impeachers-new-crimes
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And yet, not one liberal can tell us why Speaker Pelosi can't just declare war and over ride the President.
You’re a fucking idiot. Of course she could, but Democrats don’t really want to. Like you, they are completely caught up in the politics of the thing, more obsessed with the person that the event.
Pelosi obviously doesn’t want to distract from impeachment. Additionally, Democrats probably don’t want to vote for a war that could turn Trump into a war time president. Whether or not she could align all the leftists in the party to commit to war is also questionable.
It takes 5 minutes to figure this out, are you such an imbecile that you cannot think through why your post was a pile of steaming offal?
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You’re a fucking idiot. Of course she could, but Democrats don’t really want to. Like you, they are completely caught up in the politics of the thing, more obsessed with the person that the event.
Pelosi obviously doesn’t want to distract from impeachment. Additionally, Democrats probably don’t want to vote for a war that could turn Trump into a war time president. Whether or not she could align all the leftists in the party to commit to war is also questionable.
It takes 5 minutes to figure this out, are you such an imbecile that you cannot think through why your post was a pile of steaming offal?
It took a while but the real Flynn has emerged...
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You’re a fucking idiot. Of course she could, but Democrats don’t really want to. Like you, they are completely caught up in the politics of the thing, more obsessed with the person that the event.
Pelosi obviously doesn’t want to distract from impeachment. Additionally, Democrats probably don’t want to vote for a war that could turn Trump into a war time president. Whether or not she could align all the leftists in the party to commit to war is also questionable.
It takes 5 minutes to figure this out, are you such an imbecile that you cannot think through why your post was a pile of steaming offal?
Thanks for bringing the real you out.
And what an inane answer. LOL!
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It took a while but the real Flynn has emerged...
Yep. Mr. Virtue Signaling again gets easily triggered.
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https://www.wnd.com/2019/10/mclaughlin-poll-52-say-impeachment-stunt/
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Alan Dershowitz makes some great points here, and as usual, is spot on with regards to the law.
https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/15069/impeachers-new-crimes
The search for the perfect impeachable offense against President Trump is reminiscent of overzealous prosecutors who target the defendant first and then search for the crime with which to charge him. Or to paraphrase the former head of the Soviet secret police to Stalin: show me the man and I will find you the crime.
All civil libertarians should be concerned about an Alice in Wonderland process in which the search for an impeachable crime precedes the evidence that such a crime has actually been committed.
Under our constitutional system of separation of powers, Congress may not compel the Executive Branch to cooperate with an impeachment investigation absent court orders.
Conflicts between the Legislative and Executive Branches are resolved by the Judicial Branch, not by the unilateral dictate of a handful of partisan legislators. It is neither a crime nor an impeachable offense for the president to demand that Congress seek court orders to enforce their demands. Claims of executive and other privileges should be resolved by the Judicial Branch, not by calls for impeachment.
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You’re a fucking idiot.
Personal attack. Don't care.
Of course she could, but Democrats don’t really want to. Like you, they are completely caught up in the politics of the thing,
Meaning using the Syria withdrawal as an excuse to bash each other?
more obsessed with the person that the event.
You mean obsessed with Trump? You got that right. The Democrats see nothing whatsoever around and beyond their massive giant hatred for a single man.
Pelosi obviously doesn’t want to distract from impeachment.
And the impeachment itself is a distraction from the failed coup attempt and the imminent possibility of criminal indictments. So you are right, we must stay focused on impeachment.
Additionally, Democrats probably don’t want to vote for a war that could turn Trump into a war time president.
I don't see why this isn't true.
Whether or not she could align all the leftists in the party to commit to war is also questionable.
Also true.
It takes 5 minutes to figure this out, are you such an imbecile that you cannot think through why your post was a pile of steaming offal?
Personal attack. Don't care.
I'm not sure what they mean the "real you" is coming out if so much of what you say is plausible, unless they're talking about the bookend personal attacks.
In any case, carry on.
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Personal attack. Don't care.
Not that it means anything, or that anybody else will care, I DO CARE.
The personal attacks are from both sides, and it is lopsided against Flynn. I don't blame him for fighting back.
In fact, many of the profane personal attacks almost make me want to take his side.
Not that I have a fucking problem with all the God Damned cursing, mind you.
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Alan Dershowitz makes some great points here, and as usual, is spot on with regards to the law.
https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/15069/impeachers-new-crimes
Spot on. But since when do the Democrats care about Constitutional process anymore?
Nothing matters to them except to take over the U.S. and turn it into a socialist utopia. Nothing, and Trump is their biggest obstacle. They thought they almost had it when Trump came out of left field and turned this country right around back toward greatness again. They've been apoplectic ever since.
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Spot on. But since when do the Democrats care about Constitutional process anymore?
Nothing matters to them except to take over the U.S. and turn it into a socialist utopia. Nothing, and Trump is their biggest obstacle. They thought they almost had it when Trump came out of left field and turned this country right around back toward greatness again. They've been apoplectic ever since.
Alan Dershowitz brings the legal background into perspective, and points out much that the MSM and dims want to ignore.
We're still a nation of laws. We let this slide and we are nothing but a banana republic.
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Not that it means anything, or that anybody else will care, I DO CARE.
I've spent a lot of keyboard time arguing against personal attack in the case of Steingar, because I want him to stay and talk about his ideas so that I can launch intelligent critiques against them. And once in a while he's even right about something. But I recognize it's a free for all board and I wouldn't have it any other way. It's why I'm here. People have different styles. While I would never phrase something exactly the way, for instance, Number7 does, I like the fact that somebody does.
The personal attacks are from both sides, and it is lopsided against Flynn. I don't blame him for fighting back.
In fact, many of the profane personal attacks almost make me want to take his side.
I know what you mean. Like the way all the ganging up on Trump pushes me to support him more and more and more.
Not that I have a fucking problem with all the God Damned cursing, mind you.
;D ;D ;D
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Not that I have a fucking problem with all the God Damned cursing, mind you.
Then there's the Fags, Gays, Queers, Dykes, Trannies, Democrats, and all the others. Don't get me started.
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Then there's the Fags, Gays, Queers, Dykes, Trannies, Democrats, and all the others. Don't get me started.
Watch the latest Dave Chappell special on Netflix. He absolutely nails it with regards to LBGTQ and whatever other letters people throw in. He's really pissed off the PC crowd.