PILOT SPIN
Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: Old Crow on October 26, 2019, 09:18:06 AM
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HISTORY ON THE VIETNAM WALL ...
A little history most people will never know. Interesting
Veterans Statistics off the Vietnam Memorial Wall.
There are 58,267 names now listed on that polished black wall,
including those added in 2010.
The names are arranged in the order in which they were taken from us
by date and within each date the names are alphabetized. It is hard
to believe it is 63 years since the first casualty.
The first known casualty was Richard B. Fitzgibbon, of North Weymouth
, Mass. Listed by the U.S. Department of Defense as having been killed
on June 8, 1956. His name is listed on the Wall with that of his son,
Marine Corps LCpl Richard B. Fitzgibbon III, who was killed on Sept.
7, 1965.
There are three sets of fathers and sons on the Wall.
39,996 on the Wall were just 22 or younger.
8,283 were just 19 years old.
The largest age group, 33,103 were 18 years old.
12 soldiers on the Wall were 17 years old.
5 soldiers on the Wall were 16 years old.
One soldier, PFC Dan Bullock was 15 years old.
997 soldiers were killed on their first day in Vietnam .
1,448 soldiers were killed on their last day in Vietnam .
31 sets of brothers are on the Wall.
Thirty one sets of parents lost two of their sons.
54 soldiers attended Thomas Edison High School in Philadelphia. I wonder why so many from one school
8 Women are on the Wall, Nursing the wounded.
244 soldiers were awarded the Medal of Honor during the Vietnam War;
153 of them are on the Wall
Beallsville , Ohio with a population of 475 lost 6 of her sons.
West Virginia had the highest casualty rate per capita in the nation.
There are 711 West Virginians on the Wall.
The Marines of Morenci - They led some of the scrappiest high school
football and basketball teams that the little Arizona copper town of
Morenci (pop 5,058) had ever known and cheered. They enjoyed roaring
beer busts. In quieter moments, they rode horses along the Coronado
Trail, stalked deer in the Apache National Forest . And in the
patriotic camaraderie typical of Morenci's mining families, the nine
graduates of Morenci High enlisted as a group in the Marine Corps.
Their service began on Independence Day,
1966. Only 3 returned home.
The Buddies of Midvale - LeRoy Tafoya, Jimmy Martinez, Tom Gonzales
were all boyhood friends and lived on three consecutive streets in
Midvale, Utah on Fifth, Sixth and Seventh avenues. They lived only a
few yards apart. They played ball at the adjacent sandlot ball field
And they all went to Vietnam . In a span of 16 dark days in late
1967, all three would be killed. LeRoy was killed on Wednesday, Nov.
22, the fourth anniversary of John F. Kennedy's assassination. Jimmy
died less than 24 hours later on Thanksgiving Day. Tom was shot dead
assaulting the enemy on Dec. 7, Pearl Harbor Remembrance Day.
The most casualty deaths for a single day was on January 31, 1968 ~ 245 deaths.
The most casualty deaths for a single month was May 1968 - 2,415
casualties were incurred.
For most Americans who read this they will only see the numbers that
the Vietnam War created. To those who survived the war, and to
the families of those who did not, we see the faces, we feel the pain
that these numbers created. We are, until we too pass away, haunted
with these numbers, because they were our friends, fathers, Husbands,
wives, sons and daughters. There are no noble wars, just noble
warriors
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And yet today we have those pitching hissy fits that the president won’t send more to die in some useless conflict.
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My Mother (rest her soul) went to Thomas Edison High in Philadelphia. I don't think she was aware of that troubling statistic.
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My Mother (rest her soul) went to Thomas Edison High in Philadelphia. I don't think she was aware of that troubling statistic.
Really. What part of Philly did she live? My family is from there and I was born there.
Interesting read about those that gave their lives in that hell hole.
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Really. What part of Philly did she live? My family is from there and I was born there.
Interesting read about those that gave their lives in that hell hole.
As I think about it, she may not have gone there herself. I just remember her talking about it.
I am not real sure where she grew up. She moved to Texas with my Father, where my brother and I were born, but he died when I was 2 yrs old and we moved back to philly,where she had family. We lived in the Darby and Eastwick areas of South West Philly for about 7 years. I can still taste the hoagies. Later after she remarried, we moved "UP" to Collingdale. Since her new husband was in the Navy, we then began a series of moves about every two years.
Years later, after college, one of my careers took me to Mt. Vernon PA. for a few years. But it just wasn't the same as the Philly I remembered. It was too refined.
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As I think about it, she may not have gone there herself. I just remember her talking about it.
I am not real sure where she grew up. She moved to Texas with my Father, where my brother and I were born, but he died when I was 2 yrs old and we moved back to philly,where she had family. We lived in the Darby and Eastwick areas of South West Philly for about 7 years. I can still taste the hoagies. Later after she remarried, we moved "UP" to Collingdale. Since her new husband was in the Navy, we then began a series of moves about every two years.
Years later, after college, one of my careers took me to Mt. Vernon PA. for a few years. But it just wasn't the same as the Philly I remembered. It was too refined.
Southwest Philly, Darby and to a lesser degree Collingdale are pretty rough areas. I was born in South Philly and we moved to a suburb west of Collingdale called Springfield when I was three, where I grew up. I didn't realize you were from that area. Yeah, good Hoagies, good cheesesteaks, scrapple, soft pretzels, Tastykakes, lol!
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Southwest Philly, Darby and to a lesser degree Collingdale are pretty rough areas. I was born in South Philly and we moved to a suburb west of Collingdale called Springfield when I was three, where I grew up. I didn't realize you were from that area. Yeah, good Hoagies, good cheesesteaks, scrapple, soft pretzels, Tastykakes, lol!
Part of the reason we moved to Collingdale was that my parents didn't like the gang my brother and I were in. I still have a scar on my forehead from a rock fight with the Elmwood Avenue boys. I was 6 at the time. If we hadn't moved to Collingdale when I was 8, I have no idea where or what I would be today. Moving to Norfolk VA. when I was 11 was even better. Of course though that is where I saw my first "white" and "colored" drinking fountains and bathrooms. Then at 13 we moved to Brunswick GA where I saw my first "colored entrance" to the drive-in theater. But at least we had the beach and I learned how to surf on St. Simons Island. We couldn't afford to live there though because even the cheapest houses on St. Simons Island cost almost $15,000!
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And yet today we have those pitching hissy fits that the president won’t send more to die in some useless conflict.
More accurately, getting pissed that the president is abandoning an important region of the world and giving it over to the Russians. But yea, sure, cast it how ever you want to lie about it, this is the spin zone and lying is what Lucy does best...
On topic, visiting the wall with my father as he found his friends was one of the hardest things I've done.
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More accurately, getting pissed that the president is abandoning an important region of the world and giving it over to the Russians. But yea, sure, cast it how ever you want to lie about it, this is the spin zone and lying is what Lucy does best...
We are still in Syria, and have not abandoned the region at all. While we get very little oil from the Middle East anymore, it is wise to make sure the supply is not interrupted as that would cause world energy prices to spike. We are currently using our military to protect the Syrian oil fields.
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More accurately, getting pissed that the president is abandoning an important region of the world and giving it over to the Russians. But yea, sure, cast it how ever you want to lie about it, this is the spin zone and lying is what Lucy does best...
On topic, visiting the wall with my father as he found his friends was one of the hardest things I've done.
More diatribe from the pseudo intellectual.
BTW, since you’re so into sending our troops off to fight endless wars to benefit the MIC, do you mind if we draft your son, put him in the infantry and send him right to the front?
Bet you would be so proud watching his coffin being unloaded in Dover, knowing he was sacrificed to keep those Russians out of a shithole no one wants involved in.
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We are still in Syria, and have not abandoned the region at all. While we get very little oil from the Middle East anymore, it is wise to make sure the supply is not interrupted as that would cause world energy prices to spike. We are currently using our military to protect the Syrian oil fields.
Mr Faux Intellect is just pissed that the dims little charade didn’t work.
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We are still in Syria, and have not abandoned the region at all. While we get very little oil from the Middle East anymore, it is wise to make sure the supply is not interrupted as that would cause world energy prices to spike. We are currently using our military to protect the Syrian oil fields.
We are technically still there, but leaving quickly.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/pentagon-planning-to-pull-all-us-troops-from-syria-in-coming-weeks
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BTW, since you’re so into sending our troops off to fight endless wars to benefit the MIC, do you mind if we draft your son, put him in the infantry and send him right to the front?
There is no draft, but if there was one, I would be fine if he was selected by a random draw to be drafted. I guess you don't know what I'm about.
Do we need to go back to an insult escalation again? I've been doing this since before Berners-Lee created the Web. Trust me, I've been in flame wars with people much, much better at it than you are.
Mr. Faux Intellect...LOL, now you just need to start tweeting it and you can be just like your cowardly president hero.
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There is no draft, but if there was one, I would be fine if he was selected by a random draw to be drafted. I guess you don't know what I'm about.
Do we need to go back to an insult escalation again? I've been doing this since before Berners-Lee created the Web. Trust me, I've been in flame wars with people much, much better at it than you are.
Mr. Faux Intellect...LOL, now you just need to start tweeting it and you can be just like your cowardly president hero.
You’re a mental midget, and no one here buys your little charades.
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We are technically still there, but leaving quickly.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/pentagon-planning-to-pull-all-us-troops-from-syria-in-coming-weeks
U.S. troops being reinforced with ARMOR to protect the oil fields. It is a significant force, and being reinforced.
https://www.military.com/daily-news/2019/10/25/us-troops-mechanized-forces-remain-syria-guard-oil-wells-esper.html
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We are technically still there, but leaving quickly.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/pentagon-planning-to-pull-all-us-troops-from-syria-in-coming-weeks
You realize that article is almost two weeks old. Perhaps Trump doesn't think he needs to advertise his upcoming strategy so the enemy knows what is coming, like Obama did.
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You’re a mental midget, and no one here buys your little charades.
So it’s insult escalation...stand by for heavy rolls.
You add little here, other than stirring the pot from time to time. Why? Because you don’t have an original thought, you parrot back what others think. You produce nothing, you’re not even a useful idiot for the right.
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So it’s insult escalation...stand by for heavy rolls.
I hope you practice arms control! By that I mean hitting the target with as little collateral damage as possible.
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So it’s insult escalation...stand by for heavy rolls.
You add little here, other than stirring the pot from time to time. Why? Because you don’t have an original thought, you parrot back what others think. You produce nothing, you’re not even a useful idiot for the right.
This from the guy that is a walking CNN/MSNBC talking point guy. LOL.
Again, it's obvious most here don't buy into your bullshit anymore. You lost all credibility when you launched your PM threats a while back.
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What are the odds that we can dial back the personal insults and just address the issues?
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What are the odds that we can dial back the personal insults and just address the issues?
I concur. Not that I have any room to talk sometimes, but it would help.
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What are the odds that we can dial back the personal insults and just address the issues?
Put me down for $20 on 1 in 100.
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Let the hypocrisy flow.
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What are the odds that we can dial back the personal insults and just address the issues?
Depends on Lucy...if he stops, I'll stop.
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Depends on Lucy...if he stops, I'll stop.
LOL!
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LOL!
Meaning you're not going to stop? Not even a cease fire like the Kurds and Turks?
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Meaning you're not going to stop? Not even a cease fire like the Kurds and Turks?
Do you understand what LOL means?
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Do you understand what LOL means?
Of course. Do you understand that trite things can come across in various ways on the internet.
I thought you were laughing at the idea that you might stop insulting Flynn.
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I can still taste the hoagies.
My advice : Alka Seltzer
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You realize that article is almost two weeks old. Perhaps Trump doesn't think he needs to advertise his upcoming strategy so the enemy knows what is coming, like Obama did.
Exactly. Trump was spot on for not yapping to Pelosi and Schitt about the mission to kill the head of isis.
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Exactly. Trump was spot on for not yapping to Pelosi and Schitt about the mission to kill the head of isis.
Ya know, what is missing from the MSM reports, is that Trump didn't tell the Republican leadership either. The goal was to keep the operation secret, NOT to keep the Democrats out of the loop.
As for telling the Russians instead of the Democrats (or Republicans), that was critical to keep the Russians from shooting down our aircraft. The whole operation was played perfectly.