PILOT SPIN
Pilot Zone => Pilot Zone => Topic started by: Lucifer on October 29, 2019, 05:18:01 PM
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https://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2019/10/29/Looming-pilot-shortage-lifts-aviation-schools/2021571945946/
DAYTONA BEACH, Fla., Oct. 29 (UPI) -- A good economy, record levels of air travel and baby-boomer retirement are fueling record enrollment at aviation and aerospace schools around the nation.
The surge comes largely as a response to warnings from the air travel industry of looming global shortages for pilots and those in related jobs. After the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks, pilots faced almost impossible odds of being hired at a major airline. Now some of them are being offered guaranteed jobs before they graduate.
Boeing's official pilot outlook for 2019 predicts that 804,000 new civil pilots will be need to fly its global fleet over the next 20 years, stemming from a mix of growth and retirements and other attrition. Boeing said the Asia Pacific region will lead worldwide growth in that pilot demand.
United Airlines announced earlier this month that it expects half of its 12,500 pilots to retire in the next decade, and that it will hire 10,000 pilots during that period. United is one of several airlines offering so-called pathway programs, providing perks to some students who commit to working for them upon graduation.
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At long last a real pilot shortage, that'll last until the next economic downturn. Then all those young pilots will find out what it's like being unemployed, unemployable, and deep in debt. I love flying, but am SO glad I didn't do it for a profession.
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At long last a real pilot shortage, that'll last until the next economic downturn. Then all those young pilots will find out what it's like being unemployed, unemployable, and deep in debt. I love flying, but am SO glad I didn't do it for a profession.
I know lots of professional pilots who have had solid careers.
I've found those who bash professional flying really are clueless to how the profession works and rely on SGOTI for their "information".
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At long last a real pilot shortage, that'll last until the next economic downturn. Then all those young pilots will find out what it's like being unemployed, unemployable, and deep in debt. I love flying, but am SO glad I didn't do it for a profession.
That hasn't occurred for a LONG TIME. I can't remember the last time I heard pilots being furloughed. That being said, it doesn't mean it can't happen again, but there is no more risk than any other Corporate Job in the PRIVATE SECTOR where each quarter's bad earnings report can bring layoffs and "right sizing". We live with a gun to our heads all the time.
No Pensions, nor Tenure in the Private Sector.
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Sorry guys, I've had a bunch of former pilots in my classroom over the years. I bought my motorcycle from a former pilot. Economy goes up and down. When it goes down aviation is always the canary in the coal mine. Sees it first, gets over it last. Though it is true that there's risk in nearly everything.
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Sorry guys, I've had a bunch of former pilots in my classroom over the years. I bought my motorcycle from a former pilot. Economy goes up and down. When it goes down aviation is always the canary in the coal mine. Sees it first, gets over it last. Though it is true that there's risk in nearly everything.
Consider the bias in your sampling method.
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Consider the bias in your sampling method.
True enough.
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Sorry guys, I've had a bunch of former pilots in my classroom over the years. I bought my motorcycle from a former pilot. Economy goes up and down. When it goes down aviation is always the canary in the coal mine. Sees it first, gets over it last. Though it is true that there's risk in nearly everything.
So, over 100,000 pilots at any given time, and your tiny sampling is what you use to paint the entire industry with your broad brush.
How about all the professional pilots I've know over the years that have had successful careers? Oh, and I promise you that I know many many more than you will ever come in contact with.
Guess it's easy to hate something you don't understand.
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So, over 100,000 pilots at any given time, and your tiny sampling is what you use to paint the entire industry with your broad brush.
How about all the professional pilots I've know over the years that have had successful careers? Oh, and I promise you that I know many many more than you will ever come in contact with.
Guess it's easy to hate something you don't understand.
There’s two sides to the pilot shortage - supply and demand. He’s only looking at the demand side, which I think he is mistaken.
Even in a bad economy, people still travel. No doubt there is a downturn when unemployment rises to Obama levels, but such unemployment levels don’t accompany every economic downturn. Of course when your president ridicules companies for having meetings in Las Vegas, there’s going to be some diminution in business travel.
Much of the pilot demand is foreign.
On the supply side, how many young people to YOU know that are pursuing flying as a hobby, then avocation, then career?
There is something about the Millenials that seem to reject such paths in life. This, the supply of pilot candidates is shrinking.
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There’s two sides to the pilot shortage - supply and demand. He’s only looking at the demand side, which I think he is mistaken.
Even in a bad economy, people still travel. No doubt there is a downturn when unemployment rises to Obama levels, but such unemployment levels don’t accompany every economic downturn. Of course when your president ridicules companies for having meetings in Las Vegas, there’s going to be some diminution in business travel.
Much of the pilot demand is foreign.
On the supply side, how many young people to YOU know that are pursuing flying as a hobby, then avocation, then career?
There is something about the Millenials that seem to reject such paths in life. This, the supply of pilot candidates is shrinking.
The military supply has diminished greatly. The flight schools have also diminished. And you hit a nail on the head with the current generation, they simply don't want to put in what would be required to gain the ratings and experience to get in the cockpit.
Looking at the retirement numbers of the US carriers alone over the next decade, and also factoring in aircraft orders for domestic and foreign carriers tells the real story of the demand. Even an economic downturn in the US, the airlines will still need to hire.
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I doubt there are many in the current generation that can afford the tens of thousands of AMU's to get those 1500 hours and a commercial certificate. If they've that kind of money there are lots of four year degrees that will get you farther quicker. A lot used to come from the military, but many of those slots are long gone.
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I doubt there are many in the current generation that can afford the tens of thousands of AMU's to get those 1500 hours and a commercial certificate. If they've that kind of money there are lots of four year degrees that will get you farther quicker. A lot used to come from the military, but many of those slots are long gone.
So they can spend tens of thousands of AMU's for a four year degree, and get a job at Starbucks?
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It costs our EAA Chapter about $3500 to get our youth a Private Certificate. We pay $75 an hour for plane rental and the CFI donates his time.
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It costs our EAA Chapter about $3500 to get our youth a Private Certificate. We pay $75 an hour for plane rental and the CFI donates his time.
Yep. Where there's a will, there's a way.
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It costs our EAA Chapter about $3500 to get our youth a Private Certificate. We pay $75 an hour for plane rental and the CFI donates his time.
That's funny because that's exactly what it cost to get mine in 1994, and I had to pay full price for everything. :)
It's great you guys do that.
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That's funny because that's exactly what it cost to get mine in 1994, and I had to pay full price for everything. :)
It's great you guys do that.
Three last year, one is now flying helicopters for the Navy, one is in college to continue with an aviation degree and ratings, one is a senior in HS and has already gotten his IR. The last two have flown a combined 71 Young Eagles for the chapter. We have a young lady that soloed with our program and is now in college working on an aviation program. Also have young man there working on an A&P. Another young man in Tuskegee University in their Aviation program and three actively training now. One young lady is our Ray Scholarship recipient.
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Three last year, one is now flying helicopters for the Navy, one is in college to continue with an aviation degree and ratings, one is a senior in HS and has already gotten his IR. The last two have flown a combined 71 Young Eagles for the chapter. We have a young lady that soloed with our program and is now in college working on an aviation program. Also have young man there working on an A&P. Another young man in Tuskegee University in their Aviation program and three actively training now. One young lady is our Ray Scholarship recipient.
You didn't take them aside and tell them what a mistake they were making?? You didn't point out that a college degree in TransGender Science would benefit them more??
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Three last year, one is now flying helicopters for the Navy, one is in college to continue with an aviation degree and ratings, one is a senior in HS and has already gotten his IR. The last two have flown a combined 71 Young Eagles for the chapter. We have a young lady that soloed with our program and is now in college working on an aviation program. Also have young man there working on an A&P. Another young man in Tuskegee University in their Aviation program and three actively training now. One young lady is our Ray Scholarship recipient.
That is extremely impressive. Wow. Good kids are still out there.
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We're now challenged with finding additional funding to keep the program moving forward. Just got turned down by Publix.
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We're now challenged with finding additional funding to keep the program moving forward. Just got turned down by Publix.
Try Landry’s. The owner is an aviation fan, owns several aircraft.
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Three last year, one is now flying helicopters for the Navy, one is in college to continue with an aviation degree and ratings, one is a senior in HS and has already gotten his IR. The last two have flown a combined 71 Young Eagles for the chapter. We have a young lady that soloed with our program and is now in college working on an aviation program. Also have young man there working on an A&P. Another young man in Tuskegee University in their Aviation program and three actively training now. One young lady is our Ray Scholarship recipient.
That is awesome.
We had a cadet in our CAF Wing who did most of his flight training with the Civil Air Patrol while a junior and senior in HS. He just finished up 2+ years of sub training in the USN and is about to join a boat. He’s a driven kid.
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So they can spend tens of thousands of AMU's for a four year degree, and get a job at Starbucks?
My students whoso looking for jobs do far, far better than that.
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My students whoso looking for jobs do far, far better than that.
Tending bar at the Hilton?
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My students whoso looking for jobs do far, far better than that.
The majority of major airline jobs are starting pay at $100K. Captains are pulling down $300k+
What's the pay scale that your students can expect?