PILOT SPIN

Pilot Zone => Pilot Zone => Topic started by: Lucifer on October 30, 2019, 02:17:10 PM

Title: Back to Basics
Post by: Lucifer on October 30, 2019, 02:17:10 PM
How many still fly with paper charts, and use a rhumb line and a compass and a clock?
Title: Re: Back to Basics
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on October 30, 2019, 03:45:07 PM
How many still fly with paper charts, and use a rhumb line and a compass and a clock?

If I was still flying, the answer to your question would be:  it depends.  Paper charts, certainly, but I would use pilotage and navaids as appropriate.

I never did put a GPS in my airplane.

Title: Re: Back to Basics
Post by: Lucifer on October 30, 2019, 03:51:05 PM
I've always enjoyed pilotage, dead reckoning type of flying, radios off. 

It's amazing to me, that today so many won't even consider it.  One fellow I knew had a homebuilt, with 3 gps's in it.  He absolutely would not fly without GPS.
Title: Re: Back to Basics
Post by: Rush on October 30, 2019, 04:32:39 PM
I can’t even get around town on the ground in my car without a gps these days.
Title: Re: Back to Basics
Post by: Anthony on October 30, 2019, 04:53:04 PM
I use most if not all the technology.  I pretend I am in a simulator, and barely look outside, and then only when I get a traffic alert on the panel or my tablet.  I like the nice red glow of the gauges and the female controllers in my ears, especially at night. 

Paper charts?  Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha.  Ever hear of Foreflight? 
Title: Re: Back to Basics
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on October 30, 2019, 05:23:33 PM
I use most if not all the technology.  I pretend I am in a simulator, and barely look outside, and then only when I get a traffic alert on the panel or my tablet.  I like the nice red glow of the gauges and the female controllers in my ears, especially at night. 

Paper charts?  Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha.  Ever hear of Foreflight?

hmmmm, maybe you should adopt the handle of him-who-shall-not-be-named.

(just kidding)

Title: Re: Back to Basics
Post by: nddons on October 30, 2019, 09:44:20 PM
How many still fly with paper charts, and use a rhumb line and a compass and a clock?
Yes.  Especially when flying a Warbird. Paper charts fit nicely in the shin pocket on my Nomex flight suit. Pull it out, check a freq., put it back.
Title: Re: Back to Basics
Post by: Steingar on October 31, 2019, 06:02:05 AM
I stopped using charts when I started using the iPad and Foreflight for navigation.  You guys can be Luddites, I like situational awareness.  Read some of the elder accident reports.  Lots of guys got lost, ran out of gas, crashed and died.
Title: Re: Back to Basics
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on October 31, 2019, 06:09:35 AM
I stopped using charts when I started using the iPad and Foreflight for navigation.  You guys can be Luddites, I like situational awareness.  Read some of the elder accident reports.  Lots of guys got lost, ran out of gas, crashed and died.

Don't equate charts with lack of situational awareness.

Lots of guys screw up with all the bells and whistles.  CVRs record GPWS warnings or TAWS warnings just before the aircraft flies into a mountain in CAVU conditions.

Title: Re: Back to Basics
Post by: Lucifer on October 31, 2019, 06:12:57 AM
I stopped using charts when I started using the iPad and Foreflight for navigation.  You guys can be Luddites, I like situational awareness.  Read some of the elder accident reports.  Lots of guys got lost, ran out of gas, crashed and died.

And what do you do when your electronics fail?
Title: Back to Basics
Post by: nddons on October 31, 2019, 08:50:46 AM
I stopped using charts when I started using the iPad and Foreflight for navigation.  You guys can be Luddites, I like situational awareness.  Read some of the elder accident reports.  Lots of guys got lost, ran out of gas, crashed and died.
You’re not a Luddite if you use charts. Most of us use Foreflight as well. And more than once my iPad on my kneeboard or a mount has gone black because it overheated in a Warbird with a canopy. 

But good to know that Foreflight will prevent me from running out of gas. I’ve got to check to se if that’s part of my subscription.
Title: Re: Back to Basics
Post by: Username on October 31, 2019, 08:57:58 AM
I use most if not all the technology.  I pretend I am in a simulator, and barely look outside, and then only when I get a traffic alert on the panel or my tablet.  I like the nice red glow of the gauges and the female controllers in my ears, especially at night. 
I do the same in my car.
Title: Re: Back to Basics
Post by: Steingar on November 01, 2019, 05:38:39 AM
And what do you do when your electronics fail?

I use my back-up electrics.
Title: Re: Back to Basics
Post by: Number7 on November 02, 2019, 06:20:39 PM
I LOVE flying old fashioned.

Charts and landmarks, along with minimal electronics makes for slow, pleasant, stress free afternoons.

$!00 hamburgers, slow sightseeing along the beach or over farmland is just the ticket for me.
Title: Re: Back to Basics
Post by: Rush on November 02, 2019, 07:10:54 PM
I LOVE flying old fashioned.

Charts and landmarks, along with minimal electronics makes for slow, pleasant, stress free afternoons.

$!00 hamburgers, slow sightseeing along the beach or over farmland is just the ticket for me.

IFR:  I Follow Roads
Title: Re: Back to Basics
Post by: Arnold on November 09, 2019, 09:30:36 AM
I find that charts are useful for covering the windows and simulating IFR.  Because the Luscombe only has one gyro instrument (the thing with needle and ball) I find the charts are necessary so that I don't cheat.

On a more serious note: Having pilotaging (is that word?) my way around New England and dead reckoning the North Atlantic in the 80's I am enjoying the GPS revolution.  I still keep a book of charts in the airplane.  One never knows. . .
Title: Re: Back to Basics
Post by: Anthony on November 09, 2019, 09:45:33 AM
Charles is that you?