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Title: Trump Ukraine Impeachment Report
Post by: Lucifer on December 03, 2019, 12:58:02 PM
https://intelligence.house.gov/report/

https://intelligence.house.gov/uploadedfiles/20191203_-_full_report___hpsci_impeachment_inquiry_-_20191203.pdf

 As expected.   Gotta love the "The President’s Refusal to Allow Top Aides to Testify", and then remember that Chairman Schiff wouldn't allow republican members to call witnesses.

 What a load of garbage.
Title: Re: Trump Ukraine Impeachment Report
Post by: Lucifer on December 03, 2019, 01:01:24 PM
The White House has issued a response through Press Secretary Stephanie Grisham.

"At the end of a one-sided sham process, Chairman Schiff and the Democrats utterly failed to produce any evidence of wrongdoing by President Trump. This report reflects nothing more than their frustrations. Chairman Schiff’s report reads like the ramblings of a basement blogger straining to prove something when there is evidence of nothing."
Title: Re: Trump Ukraine Impeachment Report
Post by: Bob Noel on December 03, 2019, 01:02:53 PM
Exactly how did President Trump prevent anyone from testifying?

Did he have them placed under arrest or otherwise confine them?

Seems that it was the democrats, beginning with that lying sack of horse manure* schiff, that prevented people from testifying.


*I think I owe an apology to horses.
Title: Re: Trump Ukraine Impeachment Report
Post by: Anthony on December 03, 2019, 01:31:46 PM
The Democrats have NOTHING.  Well, lies, insinuations, and more lies. 
Title: Re: Trump Ukraine Impeachment Report
Post by: Lucifer on December 03, 2019, 01:45:06 PM
The Democrats have NOTHING.  Well, lies, insinuations, and more lies.

No no no no no!   We've been told that it's not lies because they believe them to be true!   And if a person says something they believe is the truth, it can't be a lie!
Title: Re: Trump Ukraine Impeachment Report
Post by: nddons on December 03, 2019, 02:35:52 PM
The White House has issued a response through Press Secretary Stephanie Grisham.

"At the end of a one-sided sham process, Chairman Schiff and the Democrats utterly failed to produce any evidence of wrongdoing by President Trump. This report reflects nothing more than their frustrations. Chairman Schiff’s report reads like the ramblings of a basement blogger straining to prove something when there is evidence of nothing."
With stuff like this I think I’m going to like this woman as much as I liked Sarah Huckabee Sanders.
Title: Re: Trump Ukraine Impeachment Report
Post by: Lucifer on December 03, 2019, 03:52:22 PM
https://noqreport.com/2019/12/03/will-chamberlain-unravels-democrats-impeachment-report/

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This is the part of the report that actually attempts to change the way our government operates. Democrats are calling into question the President’s power to hire and fire who he sees fit for ambassador positions. It’s ludicrous; as Chamberlain points out, all ambassadors serve at the pleasure of the President. Moreover, the notion that his actions threaten foreign policy is unhinged, as it is the President of the United States who sets foreign policy. It’s like saying a head chef undermines his dish by firing his sous-chef for not preparing it properly.

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Democrats are banking on the mainstream media parroting their assertions and the American public being dumb enough to buy into them. They have no substance. There is no evidence. Their premises are completely flawed.
Title: Re: Trump Ukraine Impeachment Report
Post by: Lucifer on December 03, 2019, 03:59:39 PM
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2019/12/03/the-vanishing-smoking-gun-n2557381



https://twitter.com/LizRNC/status/1201956253259436034
Title: Re: Trump Ukraine Impeachment Report
Post by: Anthony on December 03, 2019, 04:02:21 PM
https://noqreport.com/2019/12/03/will-chamberlain-unravels-democrats-impeachment-report/

Yes. we've been saying this from the beginning.  They want to keep it in the House as long as possible to give the one sided accusations and lies, then have THEIR MEDIA repeat the lies and mold public opinion against Trump.  Many people are Lemmings, and just believe whatever they say.  It is a tactic they've been using for some time now. 
Title: Re: Trump Ukraine Impeachment Report
Post by: Lucifer on December 03, 2019, 07:55:35 PM
https://twitter.com/paulsperry_/status/1201956746887077888
Title: Re: Trump Ukraine Impeachment Report
Post by: Lucifer on December 03, 2019, 07:59:31 PM
https://twitter.com/paulsperry_/status/1202003900385157120
Title: Re: Trump Ukraine Impeachment Report
Post by: Lucifer on December 04, 2019, 07:31:13 AM
https://www.trevorloudon.com/2019/12/did-pelosi-schiff-and-nadler-read-federalist-no-65/
Title: Re: Trump Ukraine Impeachment Report
Post by: Ron22 on December 04, 2019, 08:27:47 AM
https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/04/politics/republican-impeachment-report-fact-check/index.html
<quote>Fact-checking six questionable claims in the GOP impeachment report</quote>

I am sure CNN will do a fact check on the Democrat Report next  :D
Title: Re: Trump Ukraine Impeachment Report
Post by: Lucifer on December 04, 2019, 08:35:41 AM
https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/04/politics/republican-impeachment-report-fact-check/index.html
<quote>Fact-checking six questionable claims in the GOP impeachment report</quote>

I am sure CNN will do a fact check on the Democrat Report next  :D

Ha!
Title: Re: Trump Ukraine Impeachment Report
Post by: Lucifer on December 04, 2019, 08:40:10 AM
https://nypost.com/2019/12/03/goodwin-dem-impeachment-report-is-adam-schiffs-latest-dud/

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Say this for Rep. Adam Schiff: His imagination is vivid and he has a flair for the dramatic. If only he had more respect for facts and a tighter tether to reality.

The California attack dog is, in real life, a frustrated writer of rejected screenplays, and he’s produced another dud in the Democrats’ impeachment report. Released Tuesday, it offers nothing new of significance, but that didn’t stop Schiff from hyping the contents as something akin to the second coming of Richard Nixon.

While the vast majority of Americans found something else to do than watch the mind-numbing hours of public testimony, Schiff depicts the hearings he orchestrated as pivotal events in modern history. While Trump is in Europe dealing with crucial national security issues and is a growing favorite to win re-election, Schiff insists he’s doing “potentially irrevocable” damage to the system of checks and balances and is a threat to the Constitution.

But it’s in the concluding paragraphs of his introduction where Schiff fully unleashes his Hollywood imagination. Implicitly conceding that impeachment has become a one-party quest to bring down a president, he tries to turn the tables by saying it’s Republican refusal to help that fulfills the warnings of George Washington and other Founders about the dangers of “excessive factionalism.”
Title: Re: Trump Ukraine Impeachment Report
Post by: Lucifer on December 04, 2019, 02:56:06 PM
Title: Re: Trump Ukraine Impeachment Report
Post by: Lucifer on December 04, 2019, 02:57:25 PM
Title: Re: Trump Ukraine Impeachment Report
Post by: Lucifer on December 04, 2019, 02:58:04 PM
Title: Re: Trump Ukraine Impeachment Report
Post by: Lucifer on December 04, 2019, 02:58:43 PM
Title: Re: Trump Ukraine Impeachment Report
Post by: Lucifer on December 04, 2019, 02:59:17 PM
Title: Re: Trump Ukraine Impeachment Report
Post by: Little Joe on December 04, 2019, 03:18:06 PM
I'll be glad when this is over.  It's almost a forgone conclusion that the House is going to vote to impeach, or at the very least, censure.
If they vote to impeach, it is a forgone conclusion that the Senate won't vote to remove him from office.  So all we are doing is wasting time and giving our enemies and trading partners hope.

And then, while not a forgone conclusion, I see Trump winning 2020 in a landslide.  I think the conservatives are just as pissed off and motivated as the libs were in 2018.  I certainly am.  And I just don't see many libs fired up for any of their own candidates.  The only thing they have is a common hatred for Trump.

And when he DOES win in 2020, I expect to see his trade negotiations really gain traction.  Right now our adversaries are just waiting to see what kind of pushover we elect to replace him.  When they see they will have to deal with him, because WE THE PEOPLE want him, they will begin to give a little.

Title: Re: Trump Ukraine Impeachment Report
Post by: Lucifer on December 04, 2019, 03:34:32 PM
Title: Re: Trump Ukraine Impeachment Report
Post by: Anthony on December 04, 2019, 04:14:00 PM
Yet all the MSM outlets are saying that the legal scholars say that there are "grounds for Trump's removal".   
Title: Re: Trump Ukraine Impeachment Report
Post by: Lucifer on December 04, 2019, 04:32:57 PM
Yet all the MSM outlets are saying that the legal scholars say that there are "grounds for Trump's removal".

 Turley has actual experience in impeachment.  He was involved in the Clinton Impeachment.

 The other 3?  Nope. Nada.

 Oh, but Prof. Karlan?  Big Hillary supporter, big dem donor.  And Karlan was on Hillary's list to be nominated to the Supreme Court.  Yea, I'd say Karlan has an axe to grind.
Title: Re: Trump Ukraine Impeachment Report
Post by: Lucifer on December 04, 2019, 05:11:30 PM
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2019/12/03/one-of-the-lawyers-testifying-for-democrats-called-for-impeachment-in2017-n2557369
Title: Re: Trump Ukraine Impeachment Report
Post by: Rush on December 04, 2019, 05:16:59 PM
I'll be glad when this is over.  It's almost a forgone conclusion that the House is going to vote to impeach, or at the very least, censure.
If they vote to impeach, it is a forgone conclusion that the Senate won't vote to remove him from office.  So all we are doing is wasting time and giving our enemies and trading partners hope.

And then, while not a forgone conclusion, I see Trump winning 2020 in a landslide.  I think the conservatives are just as pissed off and motivated as the libs were in 2018.  I certainly am.  And I just don't see many libs fired up for any of their own candidates.  The only thing they have is a common hatred for Trump.

And when he DOES win in 2020, I expect to see his trade negotiations really gain traction.  Right now our adversaries are just waiting to see what kind of pushover we elect to replace him.  When they see they will have to deal with him, because WE THE PEOPLE want him, they will begin to give a little.

My sister doesn’t follow politics at all. She asked me, “what’s with all this impeachment stuff?” And I said, “basically the Democrats can’t get over the fact that Trump won so they’re trying to take him out of office, like, undo the election. Why?”

 She said, “Because it’s interrupting all my soap operas.”

She is pissed about that. That sounds superficial but it’s not. She said if the House was actually doing something important and righteous, that would be different but she doesn’t perceive it as important or necessary. Now this is someone who does not follow politics or know anything about what’s going on. She’s not a liberal or Democrat at all but this tells me that it’s likely that average people who aren’t following the details are not getting a feeling that we need to be spending time trying to remove Trump. And see it as an annoying waste of time.
Title: Re: Trump Ukraine Impeachment Report
Post by: Anthony on December 04, 2019, 05:18:38 PM
Oh, but Prof. Karlan?  Big Hillary supporter, big dem donor.  And Karlan was on Hillary's list to be nominated to the Supreme Court.  Yea, I'd say Karlan has an axe to grind.

Karlan is an obvious Far Left Progressive Commie KOOK.  Just look at her and hear her hate speech.  LOL!  Do all these Dyke looking women have a Union or something that demands they all, look, sound, act, think and speak alike?
Title: Re: Trump Ukraine Impeachment Report
Post by: Lucifer on December 04, 2019, 07:11:47 PM
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/12/tucker-carlson-destroys-democrat-star-witness-and-moron-pam-karlan-digs-up-nasty-racist-speech-by-the-angry-law-prof-attacking-white-men-video/
Title: Re: Trump Ukraine Impeachment Report
Post by: YouOnlyLiveTwice on December 04, 2019, 07:12:30 PM
WTF kind of circus is this where the dims (the Prosecution) bring three handpicked "witnesses" that are obviously biased against the President (the Defendant) and only allow one "opposing" expert?
Title: Re: Trump Ukraine Impeachment Report
Post by: Number7 on December 04, 2019, 07:38:50 PM
...Oh,Yeah?

Well Trump said mean things!
Title: Re: Trump Ukraine Impeachment Report
Post by: Anthony on December 04, 2019, 07:42:47 PM
WTF kind of circus is this where the dims (the Prosecution) bring three handpicked "witnesses" that are obviously biased against the President (the Defendant) and only allow one "opposing" expert?

This is why the Democrats don't want to vote for Articles of Impeachment and send it to the Senate.  So they can have a ONE SIDED SHAM of a pretend "inquiry" with pretend "witnesses" that are all Trump hating Hillary dykes, and cucks.  This is a pure smear campaign to convince the useful idiots that Trump is guilty of something, anything!  Impeach! for,,,.for.....well.....Impeach!
Title: Re: Trump Ukraine Impeachment Report
Post by: Becky on December 04, 2019, 07:48:00 PM
Leftist women are always so angry and unappealing. This one is a good example.

https://dailysounder.com/13-year-old-barron-trump-attacked-by-impeachment-witness/
Title: Re: Trump Ukraine Impeachment Report
Post by: Rush on December 04, 2019, 09:53:52 PM
Leftist women are always so angry and unappealing. This one is a good example.

https://dailysounder.com/13-year-old-barron-trump-attacked-by-impeachment-witness/

Hateful bitch. Her, not you, Becky.
Title: Re: Trump Ukraine Impeachment Report
Post by: nddons on December 04, 2019, 10:56:03 PM
WTF kind of circus is this where the dims (the Prosecution) bring three handpicked "witnesses" that are obviously biased against the President (the Defendant) and only allow one "opposing" expert?
And today’s witnesses cite the “evidence” which is nothing more than Schiff’s feelings about what happened.
Title: Re: Trump Ukraine Impeachment Report
Post by: YouOnlyLiveTwice on December 05, 2019, 01:23:38 AM
Leftist women are always so angry and unappealing. This one is a good example.



(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CecfiN_UUAQFtLJ.jpg)
Title: Re: Trump Ukraine Impeachment Report
Post by: Little Joe on December 05, 2019, 05:36:48 AM
WTF kind of circus is this where the dims (the Prosecution) bring three handpicked "witnesses" that are obviously biased against the President (the Defendant) and only allow one "opposing" expert?
The ONLY part of that that surprised me was how they let that one opposing expert in.
Title: Re: Trump Ukraine Impeachment Report
Post by: Rush on December 05, 2019, 05:56:13 AM
The ONLY part of that that surprised me was how they let that one opposing expert in.

It’s to give the appearance of objectivity. These people are delusional.
Title: Re: Trump Ukraine Impeachment Report
Post by: Bob Noel on December 05, 2019, 06:02:58 AM
For those that remember the tv series "West Wing", there was a story arc where the republicans were going after Bartlett for hiding his MS.  At one point it occurred to CJ (or was it the president's lawyer?) that it would actually be beneficial to the president's case if the republicans would get the most rapid bartlett-hating special prosecutor they could find.

Kind of like Kenneth Starr going after clinton (of course, that is where the writers got the idea).

Well, the democrats have no shortage of stupid rapid people with so much hatred President Trump to the point of being counter-productive.

Title: Re: Trump Ukraine Impeachment Report
Post by: Lucifer on December 05, 2019, 03:53:17 PM
https://twitter.com/JonathanTurley/status/1202681745038028806
Title: Re: Trump Ukraine Impeachment Report
Post by: Lucifer on December 05, 2019, 03:55:19 PM
https://thehill.com/opinion/judiciary/473171-turley-democrats-offering-passion-over-proof-in-trump-impeachment?amp

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The most dangerous place for an academic is often between the House and the impeachment of an American president. I knew that going into the first hearing of the House Judiciary Committee on the impeachment of Donald Trump. After all, Alexander Hamilton that impeachment would often occur in an environment of “agitated passions.” Yet I remained a tad naive in hoping that an academic discussion on the history and standards of it might offer a brief hiatus from hateful rhetoric on both sides.

 

In my testimony Wednesday, I lamented that, as in the impeachment of President Clinton from 1998 to 1999, there is an intense “rancor and rage” and “stifling intolerance” that blinds people to opposing views. My call for greater civility and dialogue may have been the least successful argument I made to the committee. Before I finished my testimony, my home and office were inundated with threatening messages and demands that I be fired from George Washington University for arguing that, while a case for impeachment can be made, it has not been made on this record.

 

Some of the most heated attacks came from Democratic members of the House Judiciary Committee. Representative Eric Swalwell of California attacked me for defending my client, Judge Thomas Porteous, in the last impeachment trial and noted that I lost that case. Swalwell pointed out that I said Porteous had not been charged with a crime for any conduct, which is an obviously material point for any impeachment defense.

 

Not all Democrats supported such scorched earth tactics. One senior Democrat on the committee apologized to me afterward for the attack from Swalwell. Yet many others relished seeing my representations of an accused federal judge being used to attack my credibility, even as they claimed to defend the rule of law. Indeed, Rachel Maddow lambasted me on MSNBC for defending the judge, who was accused but never charged with taking bribes, and referring to him as a “moocher” for the allegations that he accepted free lunches and whether such gratuities, which were not barred at the time, would constitute impeachable offenses.
Title: Re: Trump Ukraine Impeachment Report
Post by: nddons on December 05, 2019, 04:06:04 PM
https://twitter.com/JonathanTurley/status/1202681745038028806
Pathetic leftists, incapable of listening to an argument that doesn’t comport with the mob.

Watch for Antifa-type attacks to become more mainstream, and more violent.

I’m not looking forward to the DNC convention coming to Milwaukee. I’m concerned about a recreation of Grant Park 1968.  I’ll be carrying. 
Title: Re: Trump Ukraine Impeachment Report
Post by: Lucifer on December 05, 2019, 04:07:55 PM
Pathetic leftists, incapable of listening to an argument that doesn’t comport with the mob.

Watch for Antifa-type attacks to become more mainstream, and more violent.

I’m not looking forward to the DNC convention coming to Milwaukee. I’m concerned about a recreation of Grant Park 1968.  I’ll be carrying.

The DNC is the party of hate.  People are starting to wake up.
Title: Re: Trump Ukraine Impeachment Report
Post by: Lucifer on December 06, 2019, 01:46:56 PM
https://twitter.com/KatyTurNBC/status/1202607178894512128
Title: Re: Trump Ukraine Impeachment Report
Post by: Username on December 06, 2019, 02:24:54 PM
ARG!  The purpose of journalism is NOT to change someone's mind!!
Title: Re: Trump Ukraine Impeachment Report
Post by: Number7 on December 06, 2019, 03:26:10 PM
Leftist women are always so angry and unappealing. This one is a good example.

https://dailysounder.com/13-year-old-barron-trump-attacked-by-impeachment-witness/

Leftist women are almost always losers in relationships, hate men and are far too egotistical to examine themselves for their failure in love. It’s so easy to band together and hate all men, except pussies, pajama boys, snowflakes... you get the idea.
Title: Re: Trump Ukraine Impeachment Report
Post by: Anthony on December 06, 2019, 04:13:58 PM
ARG!  The purpose of journalism is NOT to change someone's mind!!

Ask any journalism major, or law student for that matter why they are in that field of study.  Almost all of them will say "change the world".  Journalism and Law use the interpretation of facts to your advantage, and mold a narrative to fit an agenda.  It is not about reporting, nor the truth but about changing the outcome to your favor. 
Title: Re: Trump Ukraine Impeachment Report
Post by: YouOnlyLiveTwice on December 06, 2019, 04:53:45 PM
 And [control exactly what people think], that is our job.
-Mika Brezinzski (Journalist)
Title: Re: Trump Ukraine Impeachment Report
Post by: Lucifer on December 07, 2019, 08:46:03 AM
https://pjmedia.com/trending/five-times-democrats-didnt-care-when-obama-committed-obstruction-of-justice/
Title: Re: Trump Ukraine Impeachment Report
Post by: Lucifer on December 08, 2019, 07:31:37 AM
https://twitter.com/Rasmussen_Poll/status/1203075800859369472
Title: Re: Trump Ukraine Impeachment Report
Post by: Lucifer on December 08, 2019, 07:42:38 AM
Desperation

https://judiciary.house.gov/sites/democrats.judiciary.house.gov/files/documents/HCM%20FINAL%20v.3.pdf

Better yet, read this, and then apply it to the 8 years of BHO.   
Title: Re: Trump Ukraine Impeachment Report
Post by: Lucifer on December 08, 2019, 07:44:28 AM
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/12/democrats-impeachment-position-although-president-trump-didnt-break-the-law-he-surely-intended-to-and-therefore-hes-guilty/
Title: Re: Trump Ukraine Impeachment Report
Post by: Anthony on December 08, 2019, 08:00:10 AM
So now Trump doesn't have to actually DO anything, but the Democrats and Media can now READ HIS MIND and determine INTENT?  Either that or they can MAKE UP what they want his intent to be.  This is beyond Orwell.  We are in the Fascist Twilight Zone now. 
Title: Re: Trump Ukraine Impeachment Report
Post by: Lucifer on December 08, 2019, 08:14:06 AM
So now Trump doesn't have to actually DO anything, but the Democrats and Media can now READ HIS MIND and determine INTENT?  Either that or they can MAKE UP what they want his intent to be.  This is beyond Orwell.  We are in the Fascist Twilight Zone now.

Any surprise here?    Under Marxist regimes people can be tried and convicted for "thought crimes".   Also Marxist enjoy putting on show trials where the defense is not allowed to speak, and the accused is guilty and must "prove his innocence".

 If anyone has not been convinced the progressives (communist) are not in full control of the democrat party, stay tuned.
Title: Re: Trump Ukraine Impeachment Report
Post by: Jim Logajan on December 08, 2019, 09:36:44 AM
So now Trump doesn't have to actually DO anything, but the Democrats and Media can now READ HIS MIND and determine INTENT?  Either that or they can MAKE UP what they want his intent to be.  This is beyond Orwell.  We are in the Fascist Twilight Zone now.

Intent is an important element that separates some types of crime. For example, manslaughter vs murder. That said, first you have to have a dead body in the example. And intent is determined by external clues and what the prosecution can convince a jury or judge.

There already exists a lot of Orwellian aspects of the legal system - Trump is hardly the first to be a victim.
Title: Re: Trump Ukraine Impeachment Report
Post by: Anthony on December 08, 2019, 10:09:28 AM
Intent is an important element that separates some types of crime. For example, manslaughter vs murder. That said, first you have to have a dead body in the example. And intent is determined by external clues and what the prosecution can convince a jury or judge.

There already exists a lot of Orwellian aspects of the legal system - Trump is hardly the first to be a victim.

Premeditation is a significant notch up from intent.  It is funny that Democrats like Hilary can do things, and be exonerated because even if she did it, she didn't INTEND to do it, so all is well. 

What the Democrats and MEDIA are trying to do with Trump is make him guilty for something he didn't do, but that they and other SPECULATED he did with no facts nor evidence. 
Title: Re: Trump Ukraine Impeachment Report
Post by: nddons on December 08, 2019, 08:50:48 PM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191209/44e846d792c5dab256b38a0d08af0bc5.jpg)
Title: Re: Trump Ukraine Impeachment Report
Post by: Lucifer on December 09, 2019, 08:03:20 AM
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/cortneyobrien/2019/12/09/republicans-brought-the-perfect-sign-to-mondays-impeachment-hearing-n2557670

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"The author of the Schiff Report is not here," House Judiciary Committee ranking member Doug Collins observed at Monday morning's public impeachment hearing against President Trump.

"I guess that's what you get when you're making up impeachment as you go," he said.

Schiff's absence spoke volumes this morning, particularly since he is the guy who led the first round of impeachment inquiry hearings last month. For a point of emphasis, Republicans set up a sign at today's hearing asking "Where's Adam?" As you can see, it was featured pretty prominently.
Title: Re: Trump Ukraine Impeachment Report
Post by: Lucifer on December 09, 2019, 04:14:57 PM
So Adam Schiff has gone into hiding now....................
Title: Re: Trump Ukraine Impeachment Report
Post by: Lucifer on December 09, 2019, 04:15:33 PM
Title: Re: Trump Ukraine Impeachment Report
Post by: Mase on December 09, 2019, 04:33:27 PM
So, the non-whistle blower LIED under oath...perjury.
Title: Re: Trump Ukraine Impeachment Report
Post by: Bob Noel on December 09, 2019, 04:49:38 PM
So, the non-whistle blower LIED under oath...perjury.

Remember that william clinton lied under oath, but the clinton butt-kissers were claiming that it wasn't perjury.

Sooooooo
Title: Re: Trump Ukraine Impeachment Report
Post by: Lucifer on December 09, 2019, 04:53:27 PM
So, the non-whistle blower LIED under oath...perjury.

He's a democrat.  So, no perjury.
Title: Re: Trump Ukraine Impeachment Report
Post by: Lucifer on December 09, 2019, 05:28:38 PM
https://twitter.com/RepMattGaetz/status/1204161451331596293
Title: Re: Trump Ukraine Impeachment Report
Post by: Rush on December 09, 2019, 08:34:28 PM


Castor looks like he’s getting ready to cry.
Title: Re: Trump Ukraine Impeachment Report
Post by: EppyGA on December 10, 2019, 07:06:05 AM
https://twitter.com/i/status/1204120139093987330
From yesterday
Title: Re: Trump Ukraine Impeachment Report
Post by: Lucifer on December 10, 2019, 07:09:23 AM
From yesterday

 Amazing isn't it?   With actual facts they look the other way and pretend it didn't happen, while at the same time are making up their own "facts" out of thin air to support their claims.
Title: Re: Trump Ukraine Impeachment Report
Post by: Rush on December 10, 2019, 07:29:15 AM
https://twitter.com/i/status/1204120139093987330
From yesterday

Yep. I really don’t understand how the liberals on this site can say that Trump did quid pro quo with this staring us all in the face. Either they never saw the Biden tape, or this clip, because MSM never shows it, or somehow they twist in their mind that Trump’s conversation with Ukraine is QPQ and what Biden did is not. It simply blows my mind.

Here is an analogy of what’s happening:

1. Joe Biden pulls out a gun and shoots a Ukrainian dead, then brags about it on video.

2. Donald Trump has a friendly game of paintball with the Ukrainian President and shoots him with paint, they both laugh and agree to be friends.

Democrats: “Trump shot and killed the Ukrainian President!”

Fact: “Um, he’s still alive...”

Democrats: “Well he shot him!”

Fact: “While he might have shot him, there was no follow through or bad consequences and the Ukrainian President has stated on record that nothing bad happened.”

Democrats: “Well then that’s because he covered it up! He wanted to shoot him with a real gun but switched out a paintball gun when he realized he’d be caught! Yeah that’s whats happened.”

Fact: “You don’t know another man’s intent. On the other hand, Joe Biden actually shot and killed someone and then confessed to it on tape.”

Democrats: “........”

This pretty much sums up what’s going on.
Title: Re: Trump Ukraine Impeachment Report
Post by: Lucifer on December 10, 2019, 07:40:37 AM
Yep. I really don’t understand how the liberals on this site can say that Trump did quid pro quo with this staring us all in the face. Either they never saw the Biden tape, or this clip, because MSM never shows it, or somehow they twist in their mind that Trump’s conversation with Ukraine is QPQ and what Biden did is not. It simply blows my mind.

Here is an analogy of what’s happening:

1. Joe Biden pulls out a gun and shoots a Ukrainian dead, then brags about it on video.

2. Donald Trump has a friendly game of paintball with the Ukrainian President and shoots him with paint, they both laugh and agree to be friends.

Democrats: “Trump shot and killed the Ukrainian President!”

Fact: “Um, he’s still alive...”

Democrats: “Well he shot him!”

Fact: “While he might have shot him, there was no follow through or bad consequences and the Ukrainian President has stated on record that nothing bad happened.”

Democrats: “Well then that’s because he covered it up! He wanted to shoot him with a real gun but switched out a paintball gun when he realized he’d be caught! Yeah that’s whats happened.”

Fact: “You don’t know another man’s intent. On the other hand, Joe Biden actually shot and killed someone and then confessed to it on tape.”

Democrats: “........”

This pretty much sums up what’s going on.


Just wait for the articles of impeachment to come out today.   You ain't seen nothing yet.
Title: Re: Trump Ukraine Impeachment Report
Post by: Number7 on December 10, 2019, 07:47:12 AM

Just wait for the articles of impeachment to come out today.   You ain't seen nothing yet.

It is NO ACCIDENT that the fucking, lying, douche-bag, communists (democrats for the stupid people without a brain in their heads) present their articles of impeachment on the exact same day that the FISA abuse report becomes public.

Fucking comey is as delusional as steingar, kristen, and azure. They all pretend to ignore reality to further their fantasies and then demand we indulge their mental illness, or be labeled as racist.

FUCK them all.

Mental Illness is not a family value, no matter how hard progressive assholes pretend.
Title: Re: Trump Ukraine Impeachment Report
Post by: Anthony on December 10, 2019, 07:48:42 AM
Democrats, and their supporters are now just plain LIARS, and deceive themselves, then try to deceive others on issues.  They take the lies the MEDIA says and repeat them as FACT. 

There is NOTHING in the transcripts that shows anything close to Impeachable.  Nothing.  Yet the Media creates things based on supposition, and speculation to connect PRETEND DOTS to make the President look guilty. 
Title: Re: Trump Ukraine Impeachment Report
Post by: Lucifer on December 10, 2019, 08:01:26 AM
Democrats, and their supporters are now just plain LIARS, and deceive themselves, then try to deceive others on issues.  They take the lies the MEDIA says and repeat them as FACT. 

There is NOTHING in the transcripts that shows anything close to Impeachable.  Nothing.  Yet the Media creates things based on supposition, and speculation to connect PRETEND DOTS to make the President look guilty.

 Like I said, just wait for the articles of impeachment.  You will have to suspend all reality when they try to convince the American people that this can even happen like this.

 If they are successful (they won't be) then every president forward will be impeached while in office.   
Title: Re: Trump Ukraine Impeachment Report
Post by: Lucifer on December 10, 2019, 08:15:33 AM
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Title: Re: Trump Ukraine Impeachment Report
Post by: Anthony on December 10, 2019, 08:17:38 AM
Like I said, just wait for the articles of impeachment.  You will have to suspend all reality when they try to convince the American people that this can even happen like this.

 If they are successful (they won't be) then every president forward will be impeached while in office.

What do you mean by successful?  Pass the Articles and send it to the Senate, Unseat Trump, or foil his reelection?  I doubt Republicans will do it as they don't have the MEDIA on their side.  The Democrats can get CNN, NBC, MSNBC, CBS, ABC, PBS, NYT, Washpo, AP, Reuters and other major outlets to just REPEAT THEIR LIES 24/7 for YEARS like they did with Russia, Russia, Russia, now Impeachment.

The Democrats have a huge propaganda advantage which gives them the latitude to LIE and not be held accountable, but be applauded by the Media. 

Title: Re: Trump Ukraine Impeachment Report
Post by: Username on December 10, 2019, 08:20:42 AM
Two articles: abuse of power and obstruction of congress.  No mention of treason, bribery, or anything else.

Abuse of power isn't a crime.

Going to the courts to see if House demands are lawful isn't a crime.

They have nothing.  The sheep are tired of the circus.  House flips to Republican and Trump reelected in a landslide.  Thanks Nancy!
Title: Re: Trump Ukraine Impeachment Report
Post by: Lucifer on December 10, 2019, 08:23:24 AM
What do you mean by successful?  Pass the Articles and send it to the Senate, Unseat Trump, or foil his reelection?  I doubt Republicans will do it as they don't have the MEDIA on their side.  The Democrats can get CNN, NBC, MSNBC, CBS, ABC, PBS, NYT, Washpo, AP, Reuters and other major outlets to just REPEAT THEIR LIES 24/7 for YEARS like they did with Russia, Russia, Russia, now Impeachment.

The Democrats have a huge propaganda advantage which gives them the latitude to LIE and not be held accountable, but be applauded by the Media.

The game is this:  They know they can't remove the President.   What they want is to get the articles voted on and through the house.  Now they can use the term "impeached" every day and damage Trump.   Whoever wins the clownshow DNC primary can campaign against an "impeached president", and they now have hour after hour of videos to make campaign ads, and they have depositions and testimony to glean tidbits out of to use as talking points.
Title: Re: Trump Ukraine Impeachment Report
Post by: Username on December 10, 2019, 08:30:59 AM
The game is this:  They know they can't remove the President.   What they want is to get the articles voted on and through the house.  Now they can use the term "impeached" every day and damage Trump.   Whoever wins the clownshow DNC primary can campaign against an "impeached president", and they now have hour after hour of videos to make campaign ads, and they have depositions and testimony to glean tidbits out of to use as talking points.
Great point.  I think that this was their plan all along.  The sheep think impeached = removed.  Never mind that a highly partisan process and a stacked House deck made it happen. Now with a huge soundbite trough to mine they have all the material for whoever wins the Democrat nomination.  Hopefully all the people now at work will not have time to listen to their drivel. 
Title: Re: Trump Ukraine Impeachment Report
Post by: Little Joe on December 10, 2019, 08:32:44 AM
Great point.  I think that this was their plan all along.  The sheep think impeached = removed.  Never mind that a highly partisan process and a stacked House deck made it happen. Now with a huge soundbite trough to mine they have all the material for whoever wins the Democrat nomination.  Hopefully all the people now at work will not have time to listen to their drivel.
The sheeple will believe that he was tried in the House and convicted.  Then a partisan senate let him off.
Title: Re: Trump Ukraine Impeachment Report
Post by: Number7 on December 10, 2019, 08:43:59 AM
The sheeple will believe that he was tried in the House and convicted.  Then a partisan senate let him off.

And academic assholes will preach that to their classes all the way to election day. Liar is the real definition of democrat these days.
Title: Re: Trump Ukraine Impeachment Report
Post by: Anthony on December 10, 2019, 08:46:48 AM
The sheeple will believe that he was tried in the House and convicted.  Then a partisan senate let him off.

I think that is what the Democrats and Media are counting on.  Hillary is already blaming the GOP in the Senate for letting Trump off saying it is just partisanship, and it hasn't even gone there yet.  The Dems have nothing and they know it, but can make people think there is something there with the help of the Media. 
Title: Re: Trump Ukraine Impeachment Report
Post by: Lucifer on December 10, 2019, 08:51:01 AM
The sheeple will believe that he was tried in the House and convicted.  Then a partisan senate let him off.

Which is what they are after.    "Useful idiots"
Title: Re: Trump Ukraine Impeachment Report
Post by: Lucifer on December 10, 2019, 08:53:00 AM
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/cortneyobrien/2019/12/10/doug-collins-suggests-that-dems-want-one-of-their-articles-to-fail-n2557745
Title: Re: Trump Ukraine Impeachment Report
Post by: nddons on December 10, 2019, 08:55:26 AM
Two articles: abuse of power and obstruction of congress.  No mention of treason, bribery, or anything else.

Abuse of power isn't a crime.

Going to the courts to see if House demands are lawful isn't a crime.

They have nothing.  The sheep are tired of the circus.  House flips to Republican and Trump reelected in a landslide.  Thanks Nancy!
Every president has fought against congressional subpoenas. Every single one.

So every president should have been impeached?

Let’s just prepare proforma articles of impeachment to be invoked on January 20 every four years.
Title: Re: Trump Ukraine Impeachment Report
Post by: Lucifer on December 10, 2019, 09:01:43 AM
https://thefederalistpapers.org/opinion/shifty-schiff-sets-2020-elections-illegitimate-unless-trump-impeached
Title: Trump Ukraine Impeachment Report
Post by: nddons on December 10, 2019, 09:12:27 AM
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/cortneyobrien/2019/12/10/doug-collins-suggests-that-dems-want-one-of-their-articles-to-fail-n2557745
I have an alternative position. I haven’t heard anyone say this, so it’s just my opinion.

It’s possible (not likely but possible) that the wimpy two charges on the Articles of Fiction are intentional for two reasons:

1). The democrats know if they got into more specific Ukraine and Russia matters, many, many democrat (and even Republican) swamp dwellers will be exposed for their treachery and even treason when the White House mounts its own defense. That is too frightening to even imagine for them.

2). The democrats aren’t stupid, and see the winds of impeachment are not with them. They see the possibility of an election landslide on 3 November 2020, and Pelosi suffering a crushing defeat.

For these two reasons, I suspect the charges are intentionally wimpy so House democrats in Trump districts can vote against it, even if they means that the vote fails. It won’t get further investigated in the a Senate, they can (in their minds) ignore an electoral slaughter in November, and possibly retain the House. The thought of losing the House is probably worse than having the impeachment fail.
Title: Re: Trump Ukraine Impeachment Report
Post by: Username on December 10, 2019, 10:22:39 AM
This is all an attempt by the Republicans to overturn the results of the 2018 election and expel the Democrats from controlling the House.
Title: Re: Trump Ukraine Impeachment Report
Post by: Becky on December 10, 2019, 11:00:59 AM
This is all an attempt by the Republicans to overturn the results of the 2018 election and expel the Democrats from controlling the House.
Yes, and the evil Repubs are bribing and blackmailing and bludgeoning the poor innocent Dems into using the machinery of government to destroy a political rival. Er ....
Title: Re: Trump Ukraine Impeachment Report
Post by: Lucifer on December 10, 2019, 01:21:36 PM
https://twitter.com/ChanelRion/status/1203367250742456328