PILOT SPIN
Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: Little Joe on December 06, 2019, 03:18:28 PM
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I have often wondered why many of us conservatives keep quiet about or political beliefs while amongst a bunch of liberal that have no such filter.
I have ususally thought that conservatives actually respect their fellow human beings and don't want to say things that they know will hurt them. I suspect even Number 7 doesn't tell liberals how he feels, face to face.
But there is another reason that I have always know applies to me, but it suddenly dawned on me that it may apply to a lot of other people too.
There are a lot of small and medium business owners. I owned a small business (around 20 employees) and we worked hard to find and keep loyal customers. I knew many of my customers were liberals, but that never effected my business relationship with them.
But in 2015, a woman business owner and friend of my in-laws attended a Trump Rally and managed to get her picture in the paper. My MIL was outraged and vowed never to do business with her again. In fact, she loudly told everyone she knew not to go to her store. My MIL is quite influential in this town.
Two years later, the woman was out of business. She said that after that rally, her business dropped off precipitously and she started getting hate mail and bad on-line reviews about her political affiliation.
I was recently at a Rotary meeting (mostly business owners, but now they let anybody in). When the topic turned to Trump, it was obvious that the business owners started getting nervous and looking to see who was listening. They changed the subject. Not because they were embarrassed but because they were intimidated.
I just finally wanted to get that off my chest.
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I think about keeping quiet.. occasionally... but manage to overcome temporary shyness when the asshole contingent starts attacking the president thinking everyone agrees - if even for their own good.
fascism always starts with intimidation. Fuck them. Fuck them all... which is why I react so strongly to the absolute bullshit of azure, steingar and recently that piss ant, kristen. They all think their entitled to never hearing a word of disagreement.
Fascists always do.
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I think about keeping quiet.. occasionally... but manage to overcome temporary shyness when the asshole contingent starts attacking the president thinking everyone agrees - if even for their own good.
fascism always starts with intimidation. Fuck them. Fuck them all... which is why I react so strongly to the absolute bullshit of azure, steingar and recently that piss ant, kristen. They all think their entitled to never hearing a word of disagreement.
Fascists always do.
For once, I agree with you. (Well actually, I usually agree with you, just not how you say it).
But I suspect you are not currently a business owner that depends on local support.
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For once, I agree with you. (Well actually, I usually agree with you, just not how you say it).
But I suspect you are not currently a business owner that depends on local support.
I’m an adult fiction writer and former local business owner, but my trade rolled in off the highway, mostly and were usually heading somewhere else.
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My stepson is in business for himself and keeps quiet about politics. Ironically, he’s a massage therapist and they’re often quite liberal. He could be ruined like your acquaintance if his conservative beliefs became known.
Franklin Graham, Billy Graham’s son, held a speaking engagement in my town. He stopped in for dinner at the local BBQ place, and they posted on Facebook about his visit. Immediately lefties piled on the BBQ joint and swore “never to eat there again” if they kept serving “people like that.”
The BBQ place responded by posting that they will serve anyone who likes BBQ. But it showed the irrational nature of the haters, and their hypocrisy.
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The Left (Democrats) in America today are FASCISTS that use fascist tactics as I said in another thread. They have no tolerance. They do NOT want to be inclusive, nor diverse in thought. They want to CONTROL. They want to force their views and will upon YOU.
Little Joe, you have articulated the MOB mentality we are facing. They are not kind, and they just want compliance and capitulation. It is why they want our guns, because then we'd have no choice but to capitulate.
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I’m an adult fiction writer...
"Letters to Penthouse"?
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"Letters to Penthouse"?
Nope.
Serious Adult Fiction Books.
That's why I go to lengths to keep my identity off the board. There have been several death threats from stupid people who didn;t like that certain characters died, got screwed, cheated on their spouses, and the like.
People can be pretty weird.
If you want an example, I have 18 free books posted on a writer's site.
You need an email address to access the site, and you have to have a premium membership, which is dirt cheap, to read all of my free books, but they are there.
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Nope.
Serious Adult Fiction Books.
That's why I go to lengths to keep my identity off the board. There have been several death threats from stupid people who didn;t like that certain characters died, got screwed, cheated on their spouses, and the like.
People can be pretty weird.
If you want an example, I have 18 free books posted on a writer's site.
You need an email address to access the site, and you have to have a premium membership, which is dirt cheap, to read all of my free books, but they are there.
Have I met you?
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Have I met you?
Not that I remember, but I’m old, so you never know.
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Not that I remember, but I’m old, so you never know.
That's the best thing about getting old. You keep meeting new friends, all over again.
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I have often wondered why many of us conservatives keep quiet about or political beliefs while amongst a bunch of liberal that have no such filter.
I have ususally thought that conservatives actually respect their fellow human beings and don't want to say things that they know will hurt them. I suspect even Number 7 doesn't tell liberals how he feels, face to face.
But there is another reason that I have always know applies to me, but it suddenly dawned on me that it may apply to a lot of other people too.
There are a lot of small and medium business owners. I owned a small business (around 20 employees) and we worked hard to find and keep loyal customers. I knew many of my customers were liberals, but that never effected my business relationship with them.
But in 2015, a woman business owner and friend of my in-laws attended a Trump Rally and managed to get her picture in the paper. My MIL was outraged and vowed never to do business with her again. In fact, she loudly told everyone she knew not to go to her store. My MIL is quite influential in this town.
Two years later, the woman was out of business. She said that after that rally, her business dropped off precipitously and she started getting hate mail and bad on-line reviews about her political affiliation.
I was recently at a Rotary meeting (mostly business owners, but now they let anybody in). When the topic turned to Trump, it was obvious that the business owners started getting nervous and looking to see who was listening. They changed the subject. Not because they were embarrassed but because they were intimidated.
I just finally wanted to get that off my chest.
I think the issue is a little bit of both (respect for others’ opinions as well as fear of backlash in business/personal matters.)
In the first case, I don’t generally engage in political discussions unless it is provoked or invited. I have lib friends, and they know they Im conservative, and we usually just don’t go there. I don’t think that’s dishonest. I do think it’s a matter of mutual respect for the person, even if I don’t respect their issues.
I will engage when I am vilified either personally or as a member of a group (I.e. when someone I know says anyone who supports Trump is a closet racist, or something similarly offensive.). I am tired of getting pushed around and caricatured.
As for business, I am a CPA in a large firm. Left or Right, very few of us show our cards in the business environment, unless we know where our clients reside. For example, I’ve had two clients host Wisconsin Governor walker to their plants to highlight successes in Wisconsin manufacturing growth, for example.
I remember your discussions on your business back in the POA days.
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I remember your discussions on your business back in the POA days.
And I remember when your daughter was considering vet school.
Time flies.
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And I remember when your daughter was considering vet school.
Time flies.
Doesn’t it? She’s now 4 1/2 years into the profession. She’s a dairy veterinarian, but also does small animal surgery one day a week. Rugged life going on farm calls, especially in the dead of winter, but she loves it.
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Doesn’t it? She’s now 4 1/2 years into the profession. She’s a dairy veterinarian, but also does small animal surgery one day a week. Rugged life going on farm calls, especially in the dead of winter, but she loves it.
That's really cool Stan.
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I think it wise for business owners to keep their politics to themselves. Lots of places in the country are fairly evenly divided. No sense pissing off half your customers.
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I think it wise for business owners to keep their politics to themselves. Lots of places in the country are fairly evenly divided. No sense pissing off half your customers.
Same can be said for entertainers.
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I think it wise for business owners to keep their politics to themselves. Lots of places in the country are fairly evenly divided. No sense pissing off half your customers.
I assume then that you feel Dick's Sporting shouldn't have made a big deal of stopping selling modern rifles to adults under 21 and destroying $5 million worth of modern rifles...
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I assume then that you feel Dick's Sporting shouldn't have made a big deal of stopping selling modern rifles to adults under 21 and destroying $5 million worth of modern rifles...
In Steingar's defense, there is a big difference between what would be wise to do, and what a private business should or should not do.
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In Steingar's defense, there is a big difference between what would be wise to do, and what a private business should or should not do.
I don't follow.
When is something wise to do not something that should be done?
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I agree with Steingar. I think corporations and businesses should not get into their politics and use it for sales. Too many corporations are condescendingly Virtue Signaling through commercials and advertising that they are Woke, PC, SJW's. That being said, I would NOT be for any law or regulation mandating it.
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I don't follow.
When is something wise to do not something that should be done?
When it’s a Catch 22. 🙁 Libs are especially twisted enough to set them up all the time.
Joseph Heller coined the term in his 1961 novel Catch-22, which describes absurd bureaucratic constraints on soldiers in World War II. The term is introduced by the character Doc Daneeka, an army psychiatrist who invokes "Catch-22" to explain why any pilot requesting mental evaluation for insanity—hoping to be found not sane enough to fly and thereby escape dangerous missions—demonstrates his own sanity in creating the request and thus cannot be declared insane. This phrase also means a dilemma or difficult circumstance from which there is no escape because of mutually conflicting or dependent conditions.[3]
"You mean there's a catch?"
"Sure there's a catch," Doc Daneeka replied. "Catch-22. Anyone who wants to get out of combat duty isn't really crazy."
There was only one catch and that was Catch-22, which specified that a concern for one's own safety in the face of dangers that were real and immediate was the process of a rational mind. Orr was crazy and could be grounded. All he had to do was ask; and as soon as he did, he would no longer be crazy and would have to fly more missions. Orr would be crazy to fly more missions and sane if he didn't, but if he was sane, he had to fly them. If he flew them, he was crazy and didn't have to; but if he didn't want to, he was sane and had to. Yossarian was moved very deeply by the absolute simplicity of this clause of Catch-22 and let out a respectful whistle.
Different formulations of "Catch-22" appear throughout the novel. The term is applied to various loopholes and quirks of the military system, always with the implication that rules are inaccessible to and slanted against those lower in the hierarchy.
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When it’s a Catch 22. 🙁 Libs are especially twisted enough to set them up all the time.
"It's the best there is."
Excellent book, great movie.
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Love the B-25 scenes in Catch-22. They had a bunch of them.
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Libs are totally trapped inside their own “logic.”
Men are awful but women are equal to men. But even saying “women” and “men” is painful for trans people so should be suppressed. Children should “choose” their gender. But the concept of gender is discriminatory.
And so on.
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I agree with Steingar. I think corporations and businesses should not get into their politics and use it for sales. Too many corporations are condescendingly Virtue Signaling through commercials and advertising that they are Woke, PC, SJW's. That being said, I would NOT be for any law or regulation mandating it.
I agree with this too. You, me and Steingar all in agreement? ;D
Although I must confess I love Black Rifle Coffee’s ads, although I think they are more pro- military, pro macho and against PC rather than pro conservative or Republican. At least I hope that’s true. You can be liberal and be macho and pro gun and supportive of vets and the military.