PILOT SPIN
Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: Lucifer on December 08, 2019, 04:55:52 PM
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https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/12/nadler-lets-the-cat-out-of-the-bag-on-motive-behind-impeachment-the-president-poses-a-threat-to-our-election-video/
Chuck Todd asked Nadler what the consequences would be if the House impeached Trump and then was acquitted in the Senate.
“I don’t know how [Trump] will take acquittal. I don’t know if he will be acquitted,” Nadler said. “The president poses a threat to our election — that he put himself, his own interests above the interests of the country…”
Chuck Todd then asked Nadler, “If he’s acquitted, do you believe we will have a fair election in 2020?”
“I don’t know. But the president based on his last performance will do everything he can to make it not a fair election and that is part of what gives us the urgency to proceed with this impeachment,” Nadler concluded.
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It will only be "not fair" if the democrats lose.
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It will only be "not fair" if the democrats lose.
They still cannot accept the results of 2016. It was her turn, and Trump, along with the deplorables, ruined it. And they must pay!
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I can't imagine Trump being impeached in the Senate, but if their are enough Romneys, who knows, but still I think that is a long shot.
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A threat to “our” election. Such arrogance. These Democrat elitists in their self-anointed bubble.
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wtf?
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Just as an aside, I wonder how many people see:
"Jerrold Nadler (R-NY)"
and think he is a Republican.
I know that is standard practice, but it still annoys me.
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Just as an aside, I wonder how many people see:
"Jerrold Nadler (R-NY)"
and think he is a Republican.
I know that is standard practice, but it still annoys me.
I thought the use of “Rep” was standard practice precisely to avoid the confusion of “R” being mistaken for Republican.
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Why does it say Jerry Nadler (R-NY)? He's a DEMOCRAT.
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Trump tries to coerce a foreign head of state to damage his political rival and you guys don't care. The most ironic thing is this is exactly what he was accused of doing with Russia, so instead of avoiding it he goes and does it again! Sadly, when the Senate gives him a pass you can expect to see more of this sort of thing.
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Trump tries to coerce a foreign head of state to damage his political rival and you guys don't care. The most ironic thing is this is exactly what he was accused of doing with Russia, so instead of avoiding it he goes and does it again! Sadly, when the Senate gives him a pass you can expect to see more of this sort of thing.
He did? Do you have a transcript of that call or some evidence that we can see?
Thanks in advance.
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Trump tries to coerce a foreign head of state to damage his political rival and you guys don't care. The most ironic thing is this is exactly what he was accused of doing with Russia, so instead of avoiding it he goes and does it again! Sadly, when the Senate gives him a pass you can expect to see more of this sort of thing.
Biden's damaged themselves through their own corruption. But you don't care about that; do you?
And we do expect to see more of this sort of thing, especially as long as Dem's hold the house and own the media. Dems will keep looking for ANY excuse to overturn the results of the 2016 election.
Perhaps the Republicans should be out digging up dirt or making up shit about Dem congress critters and try to overturn the results of THAT election. But that is the Dem playbook, not the Rep playbook.
Why don't you care about Biden's corruption? Do you deem that ok since Biden is no longer VP? Lots of people that aren't Pres or VP get tried and convicted for less.
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He did? Do you have a transcript of that call or some evidence that we can see?
Thanks in advance.
He provided text from the fucking phone call, and there have been a parade of witnesses, several of whom listed to the damn thing.
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He did? Do you have a transcript of that call or some evidence that we can see?
Thanks in advance.
No he doesn't, and neither do the Democrats or the Media, but that doesn't stop them from making things up, and speculating on Trump's "INTENT". No proof, no evidence, no facts. ALL CONJECTURE, HEASAY, and LIES.
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He provided text from the fucking phone call, and there have been a parade of witnesses, several of whom listed to the damn thing.
The text from the fucking phone call reveals NOTHING ILLEGAL, nor CORRUPT. The "witnesses" were not witnesses but Democrat political operatives. I hope it goes to the Senate for a real trial. The Democrat House "inquiry" was a TOTAL SHAM. The fact you believe that crap says a lot.
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He provided text from the fucking phone call, and there have been a parade of witnesses, several of whom listed to the damn thing.
I read the text of the fucking phone call, and it says no such fucking thing that could possibly be interpreted as a high crime or misdemeanor. Similarly, the witnesses that were on the call admitted UNDER OATH that they had no direct evidence of a high crime or misdemeanor, but that it was their presumption or assumption or hearsay that caused them to leap to that conclusion.
So, you’ve got nothing. Just like Schiff.
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I think he's becoming unhinged as the whole impeachment sham falls apart.
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He provided text from the fucking phone call, and there have been a parade of witnesses, several of whom listed to the damn thing.
Fucking troll!
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He provided text from the fucking phone call, and there have been a parade of witnesses, several of whom listed to the damn thing.
Well, since you have the transcript, I have to believe that you are capable of pointing to the specific portions of the call that back up your claims.
I won't hold my breath waiting for you to response with facts.
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He withheld half a billion worth of badly needed defense spending, told the Ukrainian President that if he played ball all sort of money would be coming his way. Several witnesses said they were told by him or his people the money stall was so the Ukrainian President would announce an investigation into Hunter and Joe Biden. Trump did release the funds, just hours after the whistleblower story surfaced.
In short, he misused the powers of his office for personal political gain, imperiling National Security in the process. If you'll recall, Ukraine has an active war on its border that's killed over ten thousand souls.
And the only reason there isn't more evidence is he's obstructed the probe by shielding his people under the aegis of Executive privilege, which is a misuse of it if ever there was one. But you guys needn't worry. Your golden boy will be acquitted by his toadies in the Senate. You can look forward to him doing more of this kind of thing in the future.
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You can look forward to him doing more of this kind of thing in the future.
I most certainly look forward to more of this,
during his second term when he has the House AND the Senate on his side. THAT's what this impeachment farce is going to accomplish.
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Mikey, you fucking laughingstock of an adult, get help before you go postal and start shooting up a school.
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He withheld half a billion worth of badly needed defense spending, told the Ukrainian President that if he played ball all sort of money would be coming his way. Several witnesses said they were told by him or his people the money stall was so the Ukrainian President would announce an investigation into Hunter and Joe Biden. Trump did release the funds, just hours after the whistleblower story surfaced.
In short, he misused the powers of his office for personal political gain, imperiling National Security in the process. If you'll recall, Ukraine has an active war on its border that's killed over ten thousand souls.
And the only reason there isn't more evidence is he's obstructed the probe by shielding his people under the aegis of Executive privilege, which is a misuse of it if ever there was one. But you guys needn't worry. Your golden boy will be acquitted by his toadies in the Senate. You can look forward to him doing more of this kind of thing in the future.
Did you see the interview of that guy from the Ukraine? And all the money going not just to Biden’s son, but to many other politicians both Democrat and Republican who do NOT want this to come to light. Trump not only did nothing wrong, he’s playing a long game called: Draining the swamp. It’s what he campaigned on. You didn’t think he just meant Democrats did you?
Or are you okay with what our federal government has become?
This stuff just coming to light explains a lot. About why the Republicans have been such doormats and let the Dems waste 3 years on trying to overturn the election.
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He withheld half a billion worth of badly needed defense spending, told the Ukrainian President that if he played ball all sort of money would be coming his way.
Can you point this out in the transcript of the phone call? If so, I would sure like to read it.
Several witnesses said they were told by him or his people the money stall was so the Ukrainian President would announce an investigation into Hunter and Joe Biden.
"Witnesses"?? If you read the deposition transcripts, the majority of witnesses were in fact second and third hand hearsay. Also, if you had read the transcripts, the with holding of funds (taxpayer money) was a Trump initiative he campaigned on, not giving money to corrupt countries. The Ukraine is ripe with corruption, and the President wanted assurance that money was not going to go feed more coruption.
Trump did release the funds, just hours after the whistleblower story surfaced.
Can you point this out in the deposition transcripts? Who made this allegation?
In short, he misused the powers of his office for personal political gain, imperiling National Security in the process. If you'll recall, Ukraine has an active war on its border that's killed over ten thousand souls.
How is a President "misusing the powers of office" setting foreign policy? I think you better go reread the constitution on that one.
And how was national security imperiled? Please cite the example?
As far as that active war, the previous president sent Ukraine blankets. President Trump has sent them weapons, and the President of the Ukraine has praised President Trump for his actions, as well as President Trump's sanctions on Russia.
And the only reason there isn't more evidence is he's obstructed the probe by shielding his people under the aegis of Executive privilege, which is a misuse of it if ever there was one.
How is this a misuse of executive privilege? Can you cite any documents to prove this assertion?
But you guys needn't worry. Your golden boy will be acquitted by his toadies in the Senate. You can look forward to him doing more of this kind of thing in the future.
I'm hoping for a senate trial. It would be great to see the President's legal team be able to call witnesses, such as the Bidens, Adam Schiff, Eric Ciaramella and mount a defense without the democrats obstructing.
Honestly, I believe we'll see articles of impeachment this week. However, I don't think they have the votes to move forward. Hence why we are seeing the panic set in.
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Did you see the interview of that guy from the Ukraine? And all the money going not just to Biden’s son, but to many other politicians both Democrat and Republican who do NOT want this to come to light. Trump not only did nothing wrong, he’s playing a long game called: Draining the swamp. It’s what he campaigned on. You didn’t think he just meant Democrats did you?
Or are you okay with what our federal government has become?
This stuff just coming to light explains a lot. About why the Republicans have been such doormats and let the Dems waste 3 years on trying to overturn the election.
To Bolsheviks like Steingar, Government can DO NO WRONG, and must be given the latitude to be all powerful and all controlling. Capitalism is the Devil, and only Government can save us from ourselves because they know better.
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I love the claim that there isn't evidence because President Trump obstructed justice...
chuckle chuckle chuckle chuckle chuckle
People will never confuse him with Sherlock Holmes.
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Michael,
Aren't you one of those that always says "follow the money"? Wouldn't it be prudent to follow the money paid to Hunter Biden?
And if Constitutional law scholars can make fun of the name "Barron", then we should make fun of a liberal named "Hunter".
AND, even if Trump did withhold aid pending an investigation of Biden, as you say; "I'm ok with that". I don't think that comes anywhere near an impeachable offense. I'd dare say that EVERY American President that ever took an action against another Country derived some benefit from it. As long as it is good for the Country too, then SO WHAT?
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The troll will be back yelling about the great crime of this President being that he once said ‘pussy.’
Yes.
Mikey IS that shallow and clueless.
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Obama certainly had Ukraine’s back when Russia invaded Crimea.
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Obama certainly had Ukraine’s back when Russia invaded Crimea.
But he wasn't a pawn of Putin like the Democrats, Media and their Progressive useful idiots say. And he didn't renege on the missile defense system either. Hot mic, Obama, hot mic.
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He withheld half a billion worth of badly needed defense spending, told the Ukrainian President that if he played ball all sort of money would be coming his way. Several witnesses said they were told by him or his people the money stall was so the Ukrainian President would announce an investigation into Hunter and Joe Biden. Trump did release the funds, just hours after the whistleblower story surfaced.
In short, he misused the powers of his office for personal political gain, imperiling National Security in the process. If you'll recall, Ukraine has an active war on its border that's killed over ten thousand souls.
And the only reason there isn't more evidence is he's obstructed the probe by shielding his people under the aegis of Executive privilege, which is a misuse of it if ever there was one. But you guys needn't worry. Your golden boy will be acquitted by his toadies in the Senate. You can look forward to him doing more of this kind of thing in the future.
Since lucifer asked most of my questions, my question for you is exactly why do you think the Executive Branch needs to bow to the demands of the legislative branch?
Surely you’ve read Articles I and II of the Constitution, and should know that any powers one branch has over the other are very limited and delineated.
Looking forward to your citation of the right of Congress to oversee the executive branch. By the way, the right to impeach is a power not a right to unlimited investigation.
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Keep in mind here, with the current methods being used by the dims, the impeachment inquiry will never end while Trump is in office.
They will keep it open, even if the vote fails in the house or the senate acquits.
THIS is the abuse of power. Congress does not possess the ability to run endless investigations against the executive branch.
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The real reason is RBG.
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Keep in mind here, with the current methods being used by the dims, the impeachment inquiry will never end while Trump is in office.
They will keep it open, even if the vote fails in the house or the senate acquits.
well, if the democrats will continue the impeachment "inquiry" as long as President Trump is in office, let's hope that they continue for 4 more years.... or until the voters dump the democrats.
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well, if the democrats will continue the impeachment "inquiry" as long as President Trump is in office, let's hope that they continue for 4 more years.... or until the voters dump the democrats.
He will be under a constant impeachment inquiry as long as the dims hold the majority.
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He will be under a constant impeachment inquiry as long as the dims hold the majority.
If Trump gets reelected, and I think he will, by what other charges can the Dems accuse him? Oh wait. They will MAKE MORE UP. Never mind. >:(
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If Trump gets reelected, and I think he will, by what other charges can the Dems accuse him? Oh wait. They will MAKE MORE UP. Never mind. >:(
They won't wait until he's reelected to make their move. As soon as the charges go to the Senate they will start on the next set. That way they can have more "hearings" all through the lead up to the election next year. They have to! They must do everything they can to keep the MSM and the sheep focused on the horrible Bad Orange Man. They can't risk anyone looking at their dismal candidates and the excellent economic news.
I suspect that the House kept treason and bribery out of this round so they can start again with those charges in January.
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If Trump gets reelected, and I think he will, by what other charges can the Dems accuse him? Oh wait. They will MAKE MORE UP. Never mind. >:(
When your currency is lies, that’s what you do.
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He will be under a constant impeachment inquiry as long as the dims hold the majority.
Any better incentive to take back the House?
The well being of the country depends on it. The democrats have proven they are incapable of leadership.
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https://townhall.com/columnists/betsymccaughey/2019/12/11/dems-frame-trump-n2557805
House Democrats are stampeding to impeach President Donald Trump without evidence of any crime. On Tuesday, they announced two articles of impeachment based on a new, rigged definition of an impeachable offense. They claim Congress can impeach a president who "ignored and injured the interests of the Nation" even if he hasn't violated any law.
That's a dangerously vague standard. After all, who's to say what's in the national interest? Democrats and Republicans always disagree about that. That's why we have elections.
To back up their charges, House Dems issued a 300-page impeachment report, written by Intelligence Chair Adam Schiff. The report plays tricks to frame Trump and damage his reelectability while bending over backward to inoculate Joe Biden from accusations of foreign scandals. This isn't a fact-finding report. It's a Democratic campaign plan. Dems cannot undo 2016, but they're determined to rig 2020. Tellingly, it treats Joe Biden as if he's already got the nomination.
Lacking a crime, Schiff resorts to an abusive prosecutor's trick: obstruction of justice charges. The report shows Schiff's the one hiding evidence.
The impeachment focuses on Trump's July 25 call asking Ukraine's president for a favor: Help the U.S. investigate Ukrainian tampering with the 2016 election and Biden's role, as vice president, getting a prosecutor there fired while Hunter Biden was on the payroll of a company possibly under investigation.
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Trump didn't say military aid depended on the investigations, but Democrats claim it did. Schiff's report comes up with zero evidence of that.
The Committee grilled 18 witnesses. Only one, Ambassador Gordon Sondland, had first-hand knowledge of whether Trump intended a quid pro quo for aid. Sondland said Trump was "crystal clear" that aid did not hinge on investigations. Schiff dismisses that as a "false exculpatory" on page 24.
Instead, Schiff inflates testimony from disgruntled diplomats and National Security aide Tim Morrison. They never talked to Trump, but heard rumors aid was delayed waiting for Ukraine to act. They "believed" or had an "understanding" of it. Slippery words, on page 134, that Schiff tries to pawn off as evidence.
Lacking proof, Schiff charges obstruction. He implies, on page 107, that Trump hid the transcript of the July 25 call on a highly classified server. Nonsense. Morrison and Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman both testified the call record ended up there by mistake. And when asked, Trump released it.
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All this BS about President Trump is just a clever plot to box the republicans into nominating him again.
Think it through....
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https://twitter.com/paulsperry_/status/1204468412975595521
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So, random question - does anyone else find it implausible that the Democrats have spent months reminding everyone “nobody is above the law”, yet now don’t accuse the president of breaking a law?
With regards to subpoenaed witnesses not appearing, the House has the power to have witnesses arrested and to force them to appear. They chose not use that power and now they can hardly say the president is accountable because they did not use their authority.
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So, random question - does anyone else find it implausible that the Democrats have spent months reminding everyone “nobody is above the law”, yet now don’t accuse the president of breaking a law?
Perhaps look at it this way, by saying "nobody is above the law" they can imply that President Trump did something wrong without actually saying so, nevermind actually proving it. Leave the impression is the mind of the undecided voters.
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Perhaps look at it this way, by saying "nobody is above the law" they can imply that President Trump did something wrong without actually saying so, nevermind actually proving it. Leave the impression is the mind of the undecided voters.
That’s all they have at the end of the day. Because Trump’s “crime” is just that he’s Trump, and he had the gall to be elected by the people, the smelly Deplorables. They are actually who they hate. Trump is just a symbol of them. The reason it’s so important to get rid of Trump is that he’s a threat to the power structure they spent 50 years putting in place, but Trump has no power except at the pleasure of the deplorable voters: it is us they actually despise.
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That’s all they have at the end of the day. Because Trump’s “crime” is just that he’s Trump, and he had the gall to be elected by the people, the smelly Deplorables. They are actually who they hate. Trump is just a symbol of them. The reason it’s so important to get rid of Trump is that he’s a threat to the power structure they spent 50 years putting in place, but Trump has no power except at the pleasure of the deplorable voters: it is us they actually despise.
All too true. The problem is they underestimated and continue to underestimate the number, intelligence, education, wealth, and tenacity of those deplorables. 2016 was a SHOCK they that have not yet recovered from, nor will they. Hence Russia and the Impeachment.
People continue to consolidate in Metro areas, especially the suburbs. I see it here were people from Philly, NJ, NY continue to buy McMansions in what was once farmland, and horse and dairy farms. They come here because it is SAFE, more open, has good schools, and very, very few MINORITIES. Yes, they are prejudiced, hypocrite, Liberal/Progressives. They won't admit that of course.
The problem is they all continue to vote DEMOCRAT even after witnessing what those policies did to Taxation, and the culture, and environment. They are the misguided, or just plain uniformed and aware. I can't call them stupid in the classical sense as many are well educated with very good, well paying jobs.
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All too true. The problem is they underestimated and continue to underestimate the number, intelligence, education, wealth, and tenacity of those deplorables. 2016 was a SHOCK they that have not yet recovered from, nor will they. Hence Russia and the Impeachment.
People continue to consolidate in Metro areas, especially the suburbs. I see it here were people from Philly, NJ, NY continue to buy McMansions in what was once farmland, and horse and dairy farms. They come here because it is SAFE, more open, has good schools, and very, very few MINORITIES. Yes, they are prejudiced, hypocrite, Liberal/Progressives. They won't admit that of course.
The problem is they all continue to vote DEMOCRAT even after witnessing what those policies did to Taxation, and the culture, and environment. They are the misguided, or just plain uniformed and aware. I can't call them stupid in the classical sense as many are well educated with very good, well paying jobs.
They were culturized by the “blue” side which indeed has become a separate and different culture than the “red” side. No longer are we one united “American” culture. We have split and are going down different roads in major ways.
There was a time most Americans believed in capitalism. Even the Democrats. They favored more oversight and entitlements but not total government ownership of vast swaths of the economy. No longer. Now one side openly distains capitalism and uses the word like it is an evil thing, and now “socialism” is held up as the new system we must implement.
There was a time most Americans believed in a deity. Now one side is accused of being blindly religious (clinging to their religion...) whether or not that’s even true, and the other side is supposedly enlightened with rational intellectualism, also an untrue stereotype.
There was a time most Americans fully supported technological progress of all forms. Now, one side cowers in fear of rising sea levels if our household appliances use more than some government mandated arbitrarily set amount of energy, or water.
There was a time most Americans had direct connection with their food supply. Most accepted the concept of eating animals, because most were familiar with “farms”. Then more and more people moved into cities, food production was industrialized and distanced from the urban dweller and now one culture has declared (with the help of government lies) meat to be “unhealthy and cruel”.
There was a time most Americans understood that firearms were a tool, and could be used for good or for evil, but that free citizens had the right to be armed. This has now been eroded so much that half the country - mostly city dwellers - are fine with giving up that right and now think guns are evil.
I could go on but you get the point. We used to be one culture with more or less similar core values despite differences in policy and implementation. Not any longer. Now our core values have changed so much that we are no longer one culture, we are two very different ones.
That is why they continue to vote Democrat. They remain within the “blue” culture. They don’t associate the bad conditions they’re leaving with Democrat policies or if they do they believe the policies didn’t go far enough, or were thwarted by evil republicans somehow, or, most likely, don’t think about it at all. People just reflexively vote with “their group” and against outsiders.
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“In every single case where people cooperated with evil, they used eloquent lies to assure themselves that what they were doing was actually good.” —Jennifer Fulwiler
The biggest “there was a time” was when we accepted a moral code outside ourselves. Because lacking that, the damage is incessant and devastating.
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The REAL reason the communist party is moving impeachment forward.
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Here they are.
https://apps.npr.org/documents/document.html?id=6572310-Text-Articles-of-Impeachment-Against-President
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Here’s the abridged version:
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Trump said they are after us. He’s just in the way.