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Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: Rush on December 10, 2019, 02:04:33 PM

Title: PoA does it again.
Post by: Rush on December 10, 2019, 02:04:33 PM
I screenshotted this because it too is likely to be deleted.  I don't know why I went back over there. Yeah I do, I'm trying to avoid a lot of unpleasant real life stuff. Maybe I'll just go back to the unpleasant real life stuff.
Title: Re: PoA does it again.
Post by: Number7 on December 10, 2019, 02:18:02 PM
Assholes gotta stink.

It’s what they live for.
Title: Re: PoA does it again.
Post by: Bob Noel on December 10, 2019, 02:41:33 PM
That message was deleted?

oh my.  Such a horrible thing to say.  Of course that message should be deleted.
Title: Re: PoA does it again.
Post by: Rush on December 10, 2019, 02:55:06 PM
The thing is, what he said is completely TRUE. It’s not opinion. So he is penalized for stating a fact.
Title: Re: PoA does it again.
Post by: nddons on December 10, 2019, 03:16:20 PM
I screenshotted this because it too is likely to be deleted.  I don't know why I went back over there. Yeah I do, I'm trying to avoid a lot of unpleasant real life stuff. Maybe I'll just go back to the unpleasant real life stuff.
Rush, sorry about whatever you’re going through.
Title: Re: PoA does it again.
Post by: Anthony on December 10, 2019, 03:22:45 PM
Rush, sorry about whatever you’re going through.

Mega Dittos Rush.    Oh wait.  Seriously, hope all is well. 
Title: Re: PoA does it again.
Post by: Rush on December 10, 2019, 08:51:31 PM
Rush, sorry about whatever you’re going through.

Thanks but it’s nothing really bad, I didn’t mean it to sound that way. Just tons of stress and pressure dealing with important decisions involving facing retirement plus Christmas coming and I’m not ready plus having to transition to Windows 10 plus 3 or 4 family members have birthdays this month too plus having to fly commercial to see mother in law and all this stuff happening at once and so my coping mechanism is avoidance and escapism.  :D
Title: Re: PoA does it again.
Post by: Rush on December 10, 2019, 08:53:09 PM
It looks like they banned him for making the post about being given a warning about the other post. Now he is “ejection handle pulled”.

Plus they deleted the whole thread.
Title: Re: PoA does it again.
Post by: Lucifer on December 10, 2019, 08:57:29 PM
It looks like they banned him for making the post about being given a warning about the other post. Now he is “ejection handle pulled”.

Plus they deleted the whole thread.

"Aviation's Front Porch"

LOL!!!!
Title: Re: PoA does it again.
Post by: Jim Logajan on December 10, 2019, 09:20:35 PM
I don’t recall the last time I visited PoA. Might have been when I learned that Ben Haas had died. Or maybe it was when I tried to get someone to find a new service provider for the PoA Member Map that I had set up to replace the one that had gone defunct. Had about 400 members or so who had tagged their locations.
Title: Re: PoA does it again.
Post by: Becky on December 10, 2019, 09:43:44 PM
Thanks but it’s nothing really bad, I didn’t mean it to sound that way. Just tons of stress and pressure dealing with important decisions involving facing retirement plus Christmas coming and I’m not ready plus having to transition to Windows 10 plus 3 or 4 family members have birthdays this month too plus having to fly commercial to see mother in law and all this stuff happening at once and so my coping mechanism is avoidance and escapism.  :D
Denial and escapism and procrastination are all highly underrated methods of coping. I use them all the time. Sipping a leisurely cup of hot chocolate while the giant to-do list remains undone, that kind of thing. Life is short. I refuse to stress out over transient stuff, especially if it’s self imposed!
Title: Re: PoA does it again.
Post by: Becky on December 10, 2019, 09:45:27 PM
I don’t recall the last time I visited PoA. Might have been when I learned that Ben Haas had died. Or maybe it was when I tried to get someone to find a new service provider for the PoA Member Map that I had set up to replace the one that had gone defunct. Had about 400 members or so who had tagged their locations.
I look at it a few times a week. Mostly it’s pretty boring unless I’m lucky enough to find a locked thread to read!
Title: Re: PoA does it again.
Post by: Mr Pou on December 11, 2019, 05:45:39 AM
Denial and escapism and procrastination are all highly underrated methods of coping. I use them all the time. Sipping a leisurely cup of hot chocolate while the giant to-do list remains undone, that kind of thing. Life is short. I refuse to stress out over transient stuff, especially if it’s self imposed!

sed 's/hot chocolate/beer/g'
Title: Re: PoA does it again.
Post by: Bob Noel on December 11, 2019, 05:46:31 AM
gotta love the transparency of POA moderation.
Title: Re: PoA does it again.
Post by: Anthony on December 11, 2019, 06:03:56 AM
sed 's/hot chocolate/beer/g'

Alcohol is an ex excellent way to procrastinate, stay in denial, escape, and generally be irresponsible.  :)
Title: Re: PoA does it again.
Post by: Steingar on December 11, 2019, 08:42:39 AM
You're in good company Agatha.  I got canned for a time when I did my level best to be apolitical in a firearm thread.  Turned it into a 6 month vacation.  If it happens again I might make it permanent.
Title: Re: PoA does it again.
Post by: nddons on December 11, 2019, 08:49:35 AM
Thanks but it’s nothing really bad, I didn’t mean it to sound that way. Just tons of stress and pressure dealing with important decisions involving facing retirement plus Christmas coming and I’m not ready plus having to transition to Windows 10 plus 3 or 4 family members have birthdays this month too plus having to fly commercial to see mother in law and all this stuff happening at once and so my coping mechanism is avoidance and escapism.  :D
Got it.

Get a MacBook Pro. Take that Windows crap off your list.

You’re welcome.
Title: Re: PoA does it again.
Post by: Number7 on December 11, 2019, 08:50:44 AM
I screenshotted this because it too is likely to be deleted.  I don't know why I went back over there. Yeah I do, I'm trying to avoid a lot of unpleasant real life stuff. Maybe I'll just go back to the unpleasant real life stuff.

Take a deep breath and remember that stupid people are part of the world since Adam and Eve.

As my father used to say, “give it a hundred years and see if it still makes you cry, but I bet it won’t.”
Title: Re: PoA does it again.
Post by: Rush on December 11, 2019, 09:24:19 AM
Got it.

Get a MacBook Pro. Take that Windows crap off your list.

You’re welcome.

Haha, I wish. What I really want to do is Linux but I have a desktop set up that has to remote to somewhere else (work related) and it’s all configured to work with Windows. I feel captive, but Apple’s got me captive with the damn iPhone.
Title: Re: PoA does it again.
Post by: Rush on December 11, 2019, 09:29:41 AM
You're in good company Agatha.  I can canned for a time when I did my level best to be apolitical in a firearm thread.  Turned it into a 6 month vacation.  If it happens again I might make it permanent.

Just to be clear it was Sundancer that got hammered, not me. But if you mean we are in good company just wanting to talk politics (or any subject) then absolutely. I’m always having to bite my tongue over there.

There’s one thread right now where they’re talking about cnn and it’s bordering on getting political and I want to jump in and say something like, “It’s impossible to find a truly objective news source anymore. They are all biased either right or left.”  Which is a true statement and not even insulting anybody (except journalists maybe) but you know it would get deleted and I’d get a warning. So stupid.
Title: Re: PoA does it again.
Post by: EppyGA on December 11, 2019, 10:42:50 AM
Just to be clear it was Sundancer that got hammered, not me. But if you mean we are in good company just wanting to talk politics (or any subject) then absolutely. I’m always having to bite my tongue over there.

There’s one thread right now where they’re talking about cnn and it’s bordering on getting political and I want to jump in and say something like, “It’s impossible to find a truly objective news source anymore. They are all biased either right or left.”  Which is a true statement and not even insulting anybody (except journalists maybe) but you know it would get deleted and I’d get a warning. So stupid.
Which thread?
Title: Re: PoA does it again.
Post by: Mase on December 11, 2019, 10:46:09 AM
Which thread?

The one about Charity.
Title: Re: PoA does it again.
Post by: Rush on December 11, 2019, 01:37:07 PM
Which thread?

Yep the Charity thread in Hangar Talk is the one he made his "offensive" post in.  Then in "Flight Following" he started a thread titled "Adios Muchachos" or something like that, where he made the post I attached the pic of here.  There followed a bunch of nasty, "well bye, good riddance, don't let the door hit you on the way out" type responses and maybe one or two supportive posts. But that thread is gone now.
Title: Re: PoA does it again.
Post by: Becky on December 11, 2019, 03:27:03 PM
So Rush, unclogging the shower got added to your list of stressers! Sorry! I keep taking on water too when it comes to things to do ... tire indicator light on, had to stop at tire place ... eye doc says I have an infected sty in my eyelid so I have to hot compress it six times a day ... company party Friday night, dinner guests Saturday, back to back book groups Sunday and Monday. Then a light bulb burned out just now. Also, had to fix Mom’s email which had gone down.

So of course I’m posting and reading here!!  Hahahahaha

Procrastination. It’s a good thing.
Title: Re: PoA does it again.
Post by: EppyGA on December 11, 2019, 03:33:21 PM
The holiday season can be very stressful. Prayers to all of you and hope that your stress level comes down.
Title: Re: PoA does it again.
Post by: Bob Noel on December 11, 2019, 06:30:14 PM
Thanks but it’s nothing really bad, I didn’t mean it to sound that way. Just tons of stress and pressure dealing with important decisions involving facing retirement ...

I'm hoping this comment will help (rather add to you stress)

One beautiful thing about retirement (but also a trap):  once you plan to retire, the trap is that you can say "I'll do that task when I retire..."  And when you retire, you do have to be in a hurry to do anything...

Title: Re: PoA does it again.
Post by: Rush on December 11, 2019, 08:53:40 PM
I'm hoping this comment will help (rather add to you stress)

One beautiful thing about retirement (but also a trap):  once you plan to retire, the trap is that you can say "I'll do that task when I retire..."  And when you retire, you do have to be in a hurry to do anything...

It’s more applicable to my husband. I will continue working my independent contract job as long as I have two brain cells to rub together. But there are still all the decisions like when to pull the trigger on social security and so forth and so on. And I work from home of course, so when the husband retires.... big change.
Title: Re: PoA does it again.
Post by: Bob Noel on December 12, 2019, 05:40:38 AM
....And I work from home of course, so when the husband retires.... big change.

He'll just need a hobby or something to keep him occupied.  Perhaps flying?

Or would that be too annoying for you, hubby goes flying while you are stuck at home?

Title: Re: PoA does it again.
Post by: Number7 on December 12, 2019, 05:47:43 AM
It’s more applicable to my husband. I will continue working my independent contract job as long as I have two brain cells to rub together. But there are still all the decisions like when to pull the trigger on social security and so forth and so on. And I work from home of course, so when the husband retires.... big change.

When Mickey Mantle retired from the Yankees, his wife, Marilyn , told him to find a hobby, or get a job, because she married him for better or worse, not lunch.

Just saying...
Title: Re: PoA does it again.
Post by: Rush on December 12, 2019, 06:27:41 AM
Oh yes. We spent a few months between jobs last year which served as a practice run for retirement and one thing became absolutely clear: He needs a shop and/or a hangar. Both of us in the house 24/7 was torture.
Title: Re: PoA does it again.
Post by: Anthony on December 12, 2019, 06:35:22 AM
Oh yes. We spent a few months between jobs last year which served as a practice run for retirement and one thing became absolutely clear: He needs a shop and/or a hangar. Both of us in the house 24/7 was torture.

The reason for that is he and you knew it was TEMPORARY.  Once it is permanent, he will find something to do outside the house, whether it be a part time job, hobby, hangar, shop, or other women.   :)

Not that anyone  could compete with you.   ;D

Some ideas I have for retirement.  Get the required NRA certs to be a firearm instructor.  Get a CFI.  Volunteer in some capacity.  Become a mercenary.....   You know the typical stuff.  :)
Title: Re: PoA does it again.
Post by: Steingar on December 12, 2019, 06:38:32 AM
Don't make any big decisions for a year after you retire.  Advice from Mrs. Steingar, who retired three years ago.
Title: Re: PoA does it again.
Post by: Rush on December 12, 2019, 08:20:08 AM
Don't make any big decisions for a year after you retire.  Advice from Mrs. Steingar, who retired three years ago.

Excellent advice!  And Anthony you are right, it being temporary was the big problem, it was the uncertainty of low long it would last.
Title: Re: PoA does it again.
Post by: nddons on December 12, 2019, 08:50:01 AM
Don't make any big decisions for a year after you retire.  Advice from Mrs. Steingar, who retired three years ago.
Not so sure about that. Of course it’s different for everyone, but my FIL was a widower when he retired at 62 as a professor at Illinois State University. He didn’t have a spouse, didn’t really have a hobby, and loved what he did when he worked. He went back to part-time work, but when they made him retire a couple years later, he died 6 months after he was done working.

My wife thinks sitting around without purpose is what killed him.
Title: Re: PoA does it again.
Post by: Lucifer on December 12, 2019, 08:53:09 AM
Not so sure about that. Of course it’s different for everyone, but my FIL was a widower when he retired at 62 as a professor at Illinois State University. He didn’t have a spouse, didn’t really have a hobby, and loved what he did when he worked. He went back to part-time work, but when they made him retire a couple years later, he died 6 months after he was done working.

My wife thinks sitting around without purpose is what killed him.

I'm dealing with a similar situation with a long time friend.  He's essentially giving up.  He feels there is no more purpose in his life.
Title: Re: PoA does it again.
Post by: Bob Noel on December 12, 2019, 08:54:02 AM
Not so sure about that. Of course it’s different for everyone, but my FIL was a widower when he retired at 62 as a professor at Illinois State University. He didn’t have a spouse, didn’t really have a hobby, and loved what he did when he worked. He went back to part-time work, but when they made him retire a couple years later, he died 6 months after he was done working.

My wife thinks sitting around without purpose is what killed him.

Sadly, yes, doing nothing in retirement is rarely a good thing.

As I approached retirement quite a few people warned me about making sure I have something to do (and surfing the interweb doesn't count as something to do).  I also paid attention to others I know that retired and took on too much (one friend talked about how he was much much busier than he was when working).

Title: Re: PoA does it again.
Post by: Anthony on December 12, 2019, 09:22:18 AM
And Anthony you are right, it being temporary was the big problem, it was the uncertainty of low long it would last.

Yeah, that's a killer too, plus all the stress it brings, and pressure on a relationship. 
Title: Re: PoA does it again.
Post by: nddons on December 12, 2019, 09:25:34 AM
Sadly, yes, doing nothing in retirement is rarely a good thing.

As I approached retirement quite a few people warned me about making sure I have something to do (and surfing the interweb doesn't count as something to do).  I also paid attention to others I know that retired and took on too much (one friend talked about how he was much much busier than he was when working).
So I will be working forever because I have an expensive hobby. However, I will be taking signals from some of my aviation friends who are retired.

One is a former KC-135 and 767 captain who retired from the airlines at age 60 with a United Airlines and Military pension. Oh and his wife has a government pension as a former ATC Tower controller. He is the youngest 71-year old I’ve ever met. He flies a Harvard and a Chipmunk, does formation training and Warbird checkouts, and last year had a knee replaced and a shoulder repaired. He was on the 1969 Ohio State National Championship team, but when he went to his 50th team reunion in Columbus this fall, he was taken back by how “old” some of the guys were. He refuses to let the”old guy” into his life.

Another guy sold his auto repair business to his sons, and also had a career as an LEO. His retirement business is selling radios to Police departments, and he restored a Hughes TH-55 Osage Vietnam era training helicopter. First flight should be in January or February. I think he’s in his mid-60’s. 

That’s how I want to “retire.”

Title: Re: PoA does it again.
Post by: Rush on December 12, 2019, 09:26:38 AM
That’s exactly right, Mark sitting around doing nothing was devastating to his mood, and I’m sure physical problems follow if you continue that mode. Whenever we retire for good, him having his shop/plane/boat/guns/cars whatever is not just essential for my happiness, because it keeps him out of my hair, but essential for his very physical health. And for his happiness goes without saying, he’s just a shell of a person without his hobbies.
Title: Re: PoA does it again.
Post by: EppyGA on December 12, 2019, 10:44:19 AM
I got heavily involved with the EAA chapter by being on the BOD, first as an at-large member, then President for four years and now Treasurer for the last two years. I will be off the board on 1/1 but will find other things to occupy my time. I have a long to do list at the house.
Title: Re: PoA does it again.
Post by: Little Joe on December 12, 2019, 12:44:29 PM
That’s exactly right, Mark sitting around doing nothing was devastating to his mood, and I’m sure physical problems follow if you continue that mode. Whenever we retire for good, him having his shop/plane/boat/guns/cars whatever is not just essential for my happiness, because it keeps him out of my hair, but essential for his very physical health. And for his happiness goes without saying, he’s just a shell of a person without his hobbies.
Losing a job and worrying about when and where you will find the next one takes the motivation out of doing anything for yourself.

It is also true that every one is different, but I agree with Steingar.  Wait until after retirement settles in.  It might not have to be a year, but I tried to plan all the things I was going to do in retirement. 

Fly more of course. 
Resume my long lost love of fishing. 
Volunteering for various causes
Gardening
etc etc

But as it turned out, I didn't really have time for all that.  Working on projects around the house.  Flying, gardening, visiting friends and family, HELPING friends and family . . .  it turned out I didn't really have as much free time as I though I would. (although I still spend too much time on the internet).

My Step Father on the other hand, sat around the house watching TV and died a year after retirement.

It doesn't matter that much WHAT you do, just get up off the couch and do something.  Ride a bike.  Take a walk.  Make love to your spouse.  Just do something and you will find you keep getting interrupted with other things to do and you will wonder how you ever had time to hold a full time job in the first place.
Title: Re: PoA does it again.
Post by: bflynn on December 12, 2019, 01:19:35 PM
My retirement plan includes building a Zenith Cruiser, unless I do it before then.  When that's done, maybe an RV-20.
Title: Re: PoA does it again.
Post by: Number7 on December 12, 2019, 01:23:54 PM
Don't make any big decisions for a year after you retire.  Advice from Mrs. Steingar, who retired three years ago.

That is truly good advice. It applies to the year after Losing a spouse, also.
Title: Re: PoA does it again.
Post by: Rush on December 12, 2019, 01:28:21 PM
But ponder this:  Does sitting around doing nothing really kill you? Or do people whose number is almost up, but don’t know it, feel vaguely sick or have no energy, and just don’t feel much like doing anything?
Title: Re: PoA does it again.
Post by: Bob Noel on December 12, 2019, 02:39:54 PM
But ponder this:  Does sitting around doing nothing really kill you? Or do people whose number is almost up, but don’t know it, feel vaguely sick or have no energy, and just don’t feel much like doing anything?

(I am not a doctor, I don't play one on TV, etc etc)

When people stop doing things they enjoy, that is a possible symptom of illness.  But sitting around doesn't  help at all... even with healthy people.  And as we get older, we are more suspectible to illness and need to do more to take care of ourselves.  Think about what we were able to do (eat, etc) when we were in college vs now.

Title: Re: PoA does it again.
Post by: Little Joe on December 12, 2019, 03:38:32 PM
Think about what we were able to do (eat, etc) when we were in college vs now.
I think about all that beer and those chicken wings and pizza and bacon cheese burgers all the time.
I used to eat all that and not gain weight.
Now I swear, I gain weight thinking about it.

But on the positive side (or negative side if you really think about it), I have known several people lately that died of cancer.  Their first symptoms were weight loss without trying.  At least I can be sure I don't have cancer.
Title: Re: PoA does it again.
Post by: YouOnlyLiveTwice on December 12, 2019, 08:19:53 PM
Think about what we were able to do (eat, etc) when we were in college...

Title: Re: PoA does it again.
Post by: Steingar on December 13, 2019, 07:41:21 AM
I doubt I'll ever retire. Don't think I'll ever have the money, unless I give up aviation and quite a few other things, like eating.  None of my colleagues seem to retire, some are quite old. 
Title: Re: PoA does it again.
Post by: Anthony on December 13, 2019, 07:44:17 AM
I doubt I'll ever retire. Don't think I'll ever have the money, unless I give up aviation and quite a few other things, like eating.  None of my colleagues seem to retire, some are quite old.

Well be thankful you at least have that "luxury" as an option.  Many don't.  I may end up living in the hangar, unless I meet a rich woman that will "keep me".  LOL!   :D
Title: Re: PoA does it again.
Post by: Little Joe on December 13, 2019, 09:24:12 AM
Well be thankful you at least have that "luxury" as an option.  Many don't.  I may end up living in the hangar, unless I meet a rich woman that will "keep me".  LOL!   :D
If you keep marrying those pretty young dingbats, you will never retire!   ;)
Title: Re: PoA does it again.
Post by: Anthony on December 13, 2019, 10:37:25 AM
If you keep marrying those pretty young dingbats, you will never retire!   ;)

You evidently have met most of my ex-wives.  It's not as bad as I've made it out to me.  It's worse!  :)
Title: Re: PoA does it again.
Post by: SoonerAviator on December 14, 2019, 02:19:42 AM
Awful lot of butthurt over what they choose to do on another web forum.  Someone needs to watch Disney's Frozen and "Let it Go", lol.
Title: Re: PoA does it again.
Post by: Becky on December 14, 2019, 02:29:15 AM
Yes, we have great fun attempting to get someone to start a thread over there called “Pilotspin has yet another thread devolve into a discussion about retirement.”  ;D
Title: Re: PoA does it again.
Post by: Bob Noel on December 14, 2019, 05:37:22 AM
Awful lot of butthurt over what they choose to do on another web forum.  Someone needs to watch Disney's Frozen and "Let it Go", lol.

"butthurt"?  not at all.

It's ridicule of POA.
Title: Re: PoA does it again.
Post by: Little Joe on December 14, 2019, 06:04:44 AM
Yes, we have great fun attempting to get someone to start a thread over there called “Pilotspin has yet another thread devolve into a discussion about retirement.”  ;D
I love retirement.  I think we should start a separate "retired and loving it" folder.
Title: Re: PoA does it again.
Post by: bflynn on December 14, 2019, 06:23:50 AM
Yes, we have great fun attempting to get someone to start a thread over there called “Pilotspin has yet another thread devolve into a discussion about retirement.”  ;D

Retirement will be the best...practice now

Hey you kids!  Get off of my lawn!
Title: Re: PoA does it again.
Post by: Anthony on December 14, 2019, 06:42:32 AM
Retirement will be the best...practice now

Hey you kids!  Get off of my lawn!

He says while cleaning an M1 Garand.  :)
Title: Re: PoA does it again.
Post by: SoonerAviator on December 14, 2019, 08:21:32 AM
"butthurt"?  not at all.

It's ridicule of POA.

Just saying, it’s just another thread about how “awful” PoA is.  I mean, you’d think people who dislike their rules and moderation would just stop going to the forum.  At some point the motive isn’t ridicule anymore . . .


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Title: Re: PoA does it again.
Post by: Lucifer on December 14, 2019, 08:37:21 AM
Just saying, it’s just another thread about how “awful” PoA is.  I mean, you’d think people who dislike their rules and moderation would just stop going to the forum.  At some point the motive isn’t ridicule anymore . . .


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 Unlike PoA (and other forums) we don't limit content, we don't moderate speech, and we don't ban people.  This is truly a free and open forum.   

 If this thread is giving you butthurt, feel free to comment, or even ignore.

 Thank you for your participation.
Title: Re: PoA does it again.
Post by: Little Joe on December 14, 2019, 09:08:10 AM
I agree with SoonerAviator.  It doesn't bother me that people keep poking at POA, but I guess I just don't really understand why.  They have their rules, which they are entitled to, and we have ours.  Choose where you want to go or don't want to go?  What is the reason for the preoccupation with POA?  I rarely, if ever hear anything over there about us.

Last time I objected to something, Lucifer posted two more disgusting pics of Hillary, just for me.  I will sit back and see what kind of retaliation I get for this.
Title: Re: PoA does it again.
Post by: Lucifer on December 14, 2019, 09:13:48 AM
I agree with SoonerAviator.  It doesn't bother me that people keep poking at POA, but I guess I just don't really understand why.  They have their rules, which they are entitled to, and we have ours.  Choose where you want to go or don't want to go?  What is the reason for the preoccupation with POA?  I rarely, if ever hear anything over there about us.

Last time I objected to something, Lucifer posted two more disgusting pics of Hillary, just for me.  I will sit back and see what kind of retaliation I get for this.

You want me to post some Pelosi pics?

As for the rest of the topic, again, this is a free and open forum. 
Title: Re: PoA does it again.
Post by: Little Joe on December 14, 2019, 09:15:14 AM
You want me to post some Pelosi pics?

Please, No sir.

I got my mind right now.
Title: Re: PoA does it again.
Post by: Anthony on December 14, 2019, 09:50:22 AM
Please, No sir.

I got my mind right now.

Hillary and Pelosi pics are cruel and unusual punishment.
Title: Re: PoA does it again.
Post by: Rush on December 14, 2019, 12:44:05 PM
I agree with SoonerAviator.  It doesn't bother me that people keep poking at POA, but I guess I just don't really understand why.  They have their rules, which they are entitled to, and we have ours.  Choose where you want to go or don't want to go?  What is the reason for the preoccupation with POA?  I rarely, if ever hear anything over there about us.

Last time I objected to something, Lucifer posted two more disgusting pics of Hillary, just for me.  I will sit back and see what kind of retaliation I get for this.

It’s a group of people some of us have a 20 plus year history with. It’s kind of like you’re saying, “Just forsake your family and never visit them if you don’t want to not talk about subjects that interest you a great deal.” Because we had years and years and years of being able to. It’s not like coming to a new forum full of strangers where you never got to talk politics from the get go. In that case I wouldn’t give a damn.
Title: Re: PoA does it again.
Post by: SoonerAviator on December 14, 2019, 02:53:42 PM
You want me to post some Pelosi pics?

As for the rest of the topic, again, this is a free and open forum.

I never commented about whether this was a free, open forum. It’s a different forum with a largely different focus.  I just find it odd that PoA lives rent free in some people’s heads, especially when they are entitled to moderate their forum as they see fit.  Dunno why some get so bent out of shape about it.


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Title: Re: PoA does it again.
Post by: SoonerAviator on December 14, 2019, 02:58:17 PM
It’s a group of people some of us have a 20 plus year history with. It’s kind of like you’re saying, “Just forsake your family and never visit them if you don’t want to not talk about subjects that interest you a great deal.” Because we had years and years and years of being able to. It’s not like coming to a new forum full of strangers where you never got to talk politics from the get go. In that case I wouldn’t give a damn.

I can see that, and I’ve been a member there for over a decade, too.  I just don’t really get too bothered when someone gets their hand slapped over there since they have the right to do so. 

It’s like coming to thanksgiving dinner every year with your family, talking politics, and leaving in a screaming fight.  Mom said don’t talk politics and everyone will be fine, but some family members just can’t help themselves.


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Title: Re: PoA does it again.
Post by: Lucifer on December 14, 2019, 03:00:40 PM
I never commented about whether this was a free, open forum. It’s a different forum with a largely different focus.  I just find it odd that PoA lives rent free in some people’s heads, especially when they are entitled to moderate their forum as they see fit.  Dunno why some get so bent out of shape about it.


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  I find it odd someone gets bent out of shape because others want to discuss a particular topic, such as PoA.

 There are a few topics here I don't participate in, and I don't mind that others do.   Very simple actually.

Title: Re: PoA does it again.
Post by: Little Joe on December 14, 2019, 03:09:40 PM
  I find it odd someone gets bent out of shape because others want to discuss a particular topic, such as PoA.

 There are a few topics here I don't participate in, and I don't mind that others do.   Very simple actually.
Did you really get that SoonerAviator was "bent out of shape"?  I think that's kind of a stretch from what he said.

I find it curious that PS spends so much time critiquing and criticizing POA, but I am certainly not bent out of shape about it.  In fact, I participate in it occasionally when I have something to say on the matter, but they have their rules and that is fine.  If I want to say something that violates their rules, I come here.  No big deal.

Title: Re: PoA does it again.
Post by: Lucifer on December 14, 2019, 03:18:07 PM
Did you really get that SoonerAviator was "bent out of shape"?  I think that's kind of a stretch from what he said.

I find it curious that PS spends so much time critiquing and criticizing POA, but I am certainly not bent out of shape about it.  In fact, I participate in it occasionally when I have something to say on the matter, but they have their rules and that is fine.  If I want to say something that violates their rules, I come here.  No big deal.

 I don't think anyone here is "bent out of shape" over PoA.  But when someone uses hyperbole I like to turn it around.

 As far as PoA is concerned?  I find it to be severely lacking as an aviation forum.
Title: Re: PoA does it again.
Post by: SoonerAviator on December 14, 2019, 04:36:15 PM
Did you really get that SoonerAviator was "bent out of shape"?  I think that's kind of a stretch from what he said.

I find it curious that PS spends so much time critiquing and criticizing POA, but I am certainly not bent out of shape about it.  In fact, I participate in it occasionally when I have something to say on the matter, but they have their rules and that is fine.  If I want to say something that violates their rules, I come here.  No big deal.

That’s essentially what I was highlighting in my original comment.  I don’t really care if those here want to create a weekly “How PoA Hurt My Feelings” thread, makes no difference to me.  I was just curious why there seemed to be so much focus on what PoA members do or how their mods react.  Especially on a site which essentially was created by PoA members who ran off when they couldn’t adhere to the PoA forum rules (SZ spilling into regular forums). 




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Title: Re: PoA does it again.
Post by: Bob Noel on December 14, 2019, 04:41:03 PM
That’s essentially what I was highlighting in my original comment.  I don’t really care if those here want to create a weekly “How PoA Hurt My Feelings” thread, ...

I fail to see how you come up with this mischaracterization.


....  Especially on a site which essentially was created by PoA members who ran off when they couldn’t adhere to the PoA forum rules (SZ spilling into regular forums). 

I believe you are grossly misrepresenting why POA members came here.
Title: Re: PoA does it again.
Post by: SoonerAviator on December 14, 2019, 04:53:03 PM
I fail to see how you come up with this mischaracterization.


I believe you are grossly misrepresenting why POA members came here.

There are no less than a dozen threads in the Spin Zone specifically for whining about PoA. That was after a very quick search, and doesn’t include posts in other threads which aren’t specifically for PoA-bashing.  Those are facts, not mischaracterizations, which is what led me to comment on this one in the first place.

PoA closed the SZ after some people couldn’t play nice.  Some still wanted to chat politics with other flying-types, so here we are.  I don’t see how that is a misrepresentation, although I’m sure there’s a more complex backstory to how it ultimately came to be.


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Title: Re: PoA does it again.
Post by: Anthony on December 14, 2019, 05:00:38 PM
That’s essentially what I was highlighting in my original comment.  I don’t really care if those here want to create a weekly “How PoA Hurt My Feelings” thread, makes no difference to me.  I was just curious why there seemed to be so much focus on what PoA members do or how their mods react. Especially on a site which essentially was created by PoA members who ran off when they couldn’t adhere to the PoA forum rules (SZ spilling into regular forums).

That's not an accurate statement.  Pilot Spin was created because POA shut down Spin Zone because they no longer wanted political content on their aviation site.  The main reason people participate here is that unlike POA there is no moderation.  Before Spin Zone was shut down, POA became an LEFT LEANING moderated site were some mods only scolded, and banned Conservative posters and posts.  Essentially Liberal/Progressives were receiving AFFIRMATIVE ACTION Moderation. 

I no longer participate at POA and haven't for a long time, and rarely discuss it, but it doesn't bother me that people do.  If it bothers you, don't read the threads where POA is discussed. 

Your participation is certainly welcomed here.

Title: Re: PoA does it again.
Post by: Bob Noel on December 14, 2019, 05:11:35 PM
There are no less than a dozen threads in the Spin Zone specifically for whining about PoA. ....

"whining"?

Apparently you and I don't speak the same language.

Title: Re: PoA does it again.
Post by: YouOnlyLiveTwice on December 14, 2019, 05:56:17 PM
It’s like coming to thanksgiving dinner every year with your family, talking politics, and leaving in a screaming fight.  Mom said don’t talk politics and everyone will be fine, but some family members just can’t help themselves.


"Pass the gravy, please"

"Fucking TRUMP!!!!"
Title: Re: PoA does it again.
Post by: SoonerAviator on December 14, 2019, 07:42:09 PM
"Pass the gravy, please"

"Fucking TRUMP!!!!"

Lol. That’s probably all it would take in some family circles.


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Title: Re: PoA does it again.
Post by: SoonerAviator on December 14, 2019, 07:47:20 PM
"whining"?

Apparently you and I don't speak the same language.
Well, you can decide if 12+ individual threads circling around chastising PoA forum moderation is enough to constitute “whining.” I’ve said my piece about what I have observed and why I find it odd that it comes up so frequently here.  I’ll refrain from further comment on the subject since I’ve quickly exhausted my level of concern about it, lol.

Trump is a douche and the Dems are dirty pirate-hookers.  Now I’m back the middle where I started the day!


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Title: Re: PoA does it again.
Post by: EppyGA on December 14, 2019, 08:45:35 PM
That’s essentially what I was highlighting in my original comment.  I don’t really care if those here want to create a weekly “How PoA Hurt My Feelings” thread, makes no difference to me.  I was just curious why there seemed to be so much focus on what PoA members do or how their mods react.  Especially on a site which essentially was created by PoA members who ran off when they couldn’t adhere to the PoA forum rules (SZ spilling into regular forums). 




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Which one of us do you believe let things slip over outside the SZ?  Surely you can name someone. Also, which of us causes threads to get locked over there now? 

One of the things folks are critical of is what, they perceive, to be a  bias in the suspending or hand slapping that goes on.
If you don't care, why have you commented?
Title: Re: PoA does it again.
Post by: Little Joe on December 15, 2019, 04:15:31 AM
Which one of us do you believe let things slip over outside the SZ?  Surely you can name someone. Also, which of us causes threads to get locked over there now? 

One of the things folks are critical of is what, they perceive, to be a  bias in the suspending or hand slapping that goes on.
If you don't care, why have you commented?
Eppy, 99 times out of a hundred, I agree with you.  But occasionally, I think we see something differently.

The way I see Sooner in this exchange is, he doesn't care what POA does, and he is curious about why so many people here seem to care so much.

I disagreed with their decision to get rid of the spin zone.  So I came over here to do essentially the same thing. 
Most of the people over there seem to like it over there.  So I too am curious about why some people here still seem to hold a grudge.
Title: Re: PoA does it again.
Post by: Lucifer on December 15, 2019, 05:11:49 AM
This thread locked pending review of the exalted higher order of the Master Executive Council.
Title: Re: PoA does it again.
Post by: Anthony on December 15, 2019, 05:31:00 AM
Eppy, 99 times out of a hundred, I agree with you.  But occasionally, I think we see something differently.

The way I see Sooner in this exchange is, he doesn't care what POA does, and he is curious about why so many people here seem to care so much.

I disagreed with their decision to get rid of the spin zone.  So I came over here to do essentially the same thing. 
Most of the people over there seem to like it over there.  So I too am curious about why some people here still seem to hold a grudge.

I agree to an extent, but nobody is forced to read threads, or posts about POA.  So if it "bothers" anyone for any reason they can ignore them.  If people want to "vent" about POA, then they are free to do that here.  I usually don't but it is a valid example of internet HYPOCRISY, but their site their rules, so I really don't care what they do. 

Nobody should feel self conscious, nor ashamed to post about POA or any subject here, and that's what makes PS different. 
Title: Re: PoA does it again.
Post by: SoonerAviator on December 15, 2019, 05:31:09 AM
Eppy, 99 times out of a hundred, I agree with you.  But occasionally, I think we see something differently.

The way I see Sooner in this exchange is, he doesn't care what POA does, and he is curious about why so many people here seem to care so much.

I disagreed with their decision to get rid of the spin zone.  So I came over here to do essentially the same thing. 
Most of the people over there seem to like it over there.  So I too am curious about why some people here still seem to hold a grudge.

Precisely what I'm getting at.  Not sure where/how it's getting lost in translation. 
Title: Re: PoA does it again.
Post by: bflynn on December 15, 2019, 05:34:23 AM
There are no less than a dozen threads in the Spin Zone specifically for whining about PoA. That was after a very quick search, and doesn’t include posts in other threads which aren’t specifically for PoA-bashing.  Those are facts, not mischaracterizations, which is what led me to comment on this one in the first place.

PoA closed the SZ after some people couldn’t play nice.  Some still wanted to chat politics with other flying-types, so here we are.  I don’t see how that is a misrepresentation, although I’m sure there’s a more complex backstory to how it ultimately came to be.


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I don’t read these threads as whining, more like mocking their hypocrisy. Mods on POA seem to have very brittle egos and low tolerance for anything that challenges them. Even after the SZ was shut down, they are more tolerant of left leaning politics creeping into discussion than right leaning.

*shrug*.  Their board, their rules. They have run people off with their policies and destroyed the community they claim to desire.
Title: Re: PoA does it again.
Post by: SoonerAviator on December 15, 2019, 05:34:54 AM
I agree to an extent, but nobody is forced to read threads, or posts about POA.  So if it "bothers" anyone for any reason they can ignore them.  If people want to "vent" about POA, then they are free to do that here.  I usually don't but it is a valid example of internet HYPOCRISY, but their site their rules, so I really don't care what they do. 

Nobody should feel self conscious, nor ashamed to post about POA or any subject here, and that's what makes PS different.

It doesn't bother me; at all.  I'm also not implying that anyone should avoid or be ashamed of posting about PoA (or any other subject).  I just find it curious why there is a recurring thread that pops up about PoA.  It just seems like there's a grudge/sour grapes that people just can't let go of.  Just strikes me as odd. 
Title: Re: PoA does it again.
Post by: Anthony on December 15, 2019, 05:35:29 AM
Precisely what I'm getting at.  Not sure where/how it's getting lost in translation.

It can be interpreted that is some way you are advocating the suppression of discussion about POA as being unnecessary, petty, etc., and maybe you're right to a degree.  However, this site is about freedom of expression on ANY topic, so you can see why there may be pushback.

You are free to express your thoughts on the subject of POA and people are free to respond.  See how it works?

So, here's my observation about you since we are all talking about observations about this site.  Are you going to just bitch about people here talking about POA or are you going to contribute to the  political or other topics in discussion?   From your posts, one could derive the Progressive trait to try to mold OTHER people's actions to mirror their own.  Don't you agree?

Or are you just a SHIT STIRRER like Skydog and some others?
Title: Re: PoA does it again.
Post by: Lucifer on December 15, 2019, 05:53:46 AM
It doesn't bother me; at all.  I'm also not implying that anyone should avoid or be ashamed of posting about PoA (or any other subject).  I just find it curious why there is a recurring thread that pops up about PoA.  It just seems like there's a grudge/sour grapes that people just can't let go of.  Just strikes me as odd.

Seems to me you are experiencing a grudge/sour grapes that people here are free to discuss it.   That strikes me as odd considering this is an open and unmoderated forum.
Title: Re: PoA does it again.
Post by: Little Joe on December 15, 2019, 06:17:49 AM
.  Are you going to just bitch about people here talking about POA
See, here again, I just don't see the act of asking a question as "bitching".

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Or are you just a SHIT STIRRER like Skydog and some others?
Now that question in itself sounds moer like SHIT STIRRING than the original question.

I'm not sure why I"m even participating in this discussion and defending Sooner.  I really don't have a problem with the threads mocking POA.  I guess I just don't like to see what someone says to be so mischaracterized.

example:
Person 1:  How are you doing today?
Person 2:  What the fuck are you talking about?  Do you think there is something wrong with me?

That's how I see this.
Title: Re: PoA does it again.
Post by: Anthony on December 15, 2019, 06:20:50 AM
See, here again, I just don't see the act of asking a question as "bitching".
Now that question in itself sounds moer like SHIT STIRRING than the original question.

I'm not sure why I"m even participating in this discussion and defending Sooner.  I really don't have a problem with the threads mocking POA.  I guess I just don't like to see what someone says to be so mischaracterized.

example:
Person 1:  How are you doing today?
Person 2:  What the fuck are you talking about?  Do you think there is something wrong with me?

That's how I see this.

I see it as a bit obsessive, that's all.  Could be just me. 
Title: Re: PoA does it again.
Post by: Lucifer on December 15, 2019, 06:22:53 AM
It can be interpreted that is some way you are advocating the suppression of discussion about POA as being unnecessary, petty, etc., and maybe you're right to a degree.  However, this site is about freedom of expression on ANY topic, so you can see why there may be pushback.

You are free to express your thoughts on the subject of POA and people are free to respond.  See how it works?

So, here's my observation about you since we are all talking about observations about this site.  Are you going to just bitch about people here talking about POA or are you going to contribute to the  political or other topics in discussion?   From your posts, one could derive the Progressive trait to try to mold OTHER people's actions to mirror their own.  Don't you agree?

Or are you just a SHIT STIRRER like Skydog and some others?


 I see it as virtue signalling.
Title: Re: PoA does it again.
Post by: Bob Noel on December 15, 2019, 06:26:17 AM
Well, you can decide if 12+ individual threads circling around chastising PoA forum moderation is enough to constitute “whining.”

The number of threads is completely irrelevant.  "chastising" and "ridiculing" aren't the same thing as "whining".

To use your own words, I'm not sure where/how it's getting lost in translation.
Title: Re: PoA does it again.
Post by: SoonerAviator on December 15, 2019, 06:38:50 AM
The number of threads is completely irrelevant.  "chastising" and "ridiculing" aren't the same thing as "whining".

To use your own words, I'm not sure where/how it's getting lost in translation.

I'm fine if you want to describe it as chastising instead of whining.  So, my question, which still hasn't really been addressed despite so much conjecture over motives or adverb choice . . . why the obsession with mocking/ridiculing/etc. PoA so much?  It still seems like butt-hurt, to keep kicking the dead horse.  Maybe it's just the PS version of Cirrus drivers?  :dunno:
Title: Re: PoA does it again.
Post by: Little Joe on December 15, 2019, 06:39:24 AM
The number of threads is completely irrelevant.  "chastising" and "ridiculing" aren't the same thing as "whining".

To use your own words, I'm not sure where/how it's getting lost in translation.
It gets lost in the translation when people get defensive and start reading things into other people's comments that aren't there.

Like this (from Anthony):
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Are you going to just bitch about people here talking about POA
I would rephrase that as:
Are you goint to talk about people here bitching about POA.
Title: Re: PoA does it again.
Post by: Anthony on December 15, 2019, 06:41:42 AM
It gets lost in the translation when people get defensive and start reading things into other people's comments that aren't there.

Like this (from Anthony):I would rephrase that as:
Are you goint to talk about people here bitching about POA.

With the number of posts on the subject of people here whining about POA, it elevated it from "talking" to "bitching".  YMMV, IMHO, etc.
Title: Re: PoA does it again.
Post by: Little Joe on December 15, 2019, 06:43:12 AM
I'm fine if you want to describe it as chastising instead of whining.  So, my question, which still hasn't really been addressed despite so much conjecture over motives or adverb choice . . . why the obsession with mocking/ridiculing/etc. PoA so much?  It still seems like butt-hurt, to keep kicking the dead horse.  Maybe it's just the PS version of Cirrus drivers?  :dunno:
They do it because it is fun to make fun of people that you think don't like you.  Personally, I don't think POA cares a twit about us.  In fact, one of the mods said recently they were glad there are other forums where people can talk "spin" stuff.

I participate in those POA mocking threads because it is amusing.  And because I can.  I think it is the same for others, even if they don't want to admit it.  Nothing more than that.
Title: Re: PoA does it again.
Post by: Number7 on December 15, 2019, 07:03:14 AM
I'm fine if you want to describe it as chastising instead of whining.  So, my question, which still hasn't really been addressed despite so much conjecture over motives or adverb choice . . . why the obsession with mocking/ridiculing/etc. PoA so much?  It still seems like butt-hurt, to keep kicking the dead horse.  Maybe it's just the PS version of Cirrus drivers?  :dunno:

If this topic is so incidental to you, why do you keep beating it?

One would think you can't let it go...
Title: Re: PoA does it again.
Post by: rotorhead1026 on December 15, 2019, 07:44:36 AM
He says while cleaning an M1 Garand.  :)
Actually, Garands are one of my hobbies. :)
Title: Re: PoA does it again.
Post by: Little Joe on December 15, 2019, 08:02:41 AM
If this topic is so incidental to you, why do you keep beating it?

One would think you can't let it go...
I suppose it is because people keep attacking him over it.  It is normal to defend yourself.  If no one else ever replied to this thread, I am sure it would die a natural death.
Title: Re: PoA does it again.
Post by: Anthony on December 15, 2019, 08:09:45 AM
I suppose it is because people keep attacking him over it.  It is normal to defend yourself.  If no one else ever replied to this thread, I am sure it would die a natural death.

I guess our definition of "attacking" is different.  Saying someone is "bitching" about something is hardly an attack.  Now if someone calls another person a BITCH.  That's an attack.  Nobody did that, nor anything close. 
Title: Re: PoA does it again.
Post by: Little Joe on December 15, 2019, 08:21:39 AM
I guess our definition of "attacking" is different.  Saying someone is "bitching" about something is hardly an attack.  Now if someone calls another person a BITCH.  That's an attack.  Nobody did that, nor anything close.
Point taken.
Then again we may have different definitions of what constitutes "bitching" too.
Title: Re: PoA does it again.
Post by: Anthony on December 15, 2019, 08:29:17 AM
Point taken.
Then again we may have different definitions of what constitutes "bitching" too.

Are you calling me a Bitch?  LOL!      ;D
Title: Re: PoA does it again.
Post by: Little Joe on December 15, 2019, 08:31:29 AM
Are you calling me a Bitch?  LOL!      ;D
Haters gonna hate,
Bitches gonna bitch. :)
Title: Re: PoA does it again.
Post by: SoonerAviator on December 15, 2019, 08:57:03 AM
If this topic is so incidental to you, why do you keep beating it?

One would think you can't let it go...

I’m only responding when addressed directly.  It’s usually how conversations go.  I was perfectly happy to cease posting when I mentioned that “I said my piece”, but was addressed further.  I mean, certain subjects I would understand why they would come up numerous times on this forum (dem Vs repub, trump vs Hilary, high wing vs low), but the PoA thing just strikes me as odd.


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Title: Re: PoA does it again.
Post by: Becky on December 15, 2019, 09:03:27 AM
I really don’t think that talking about POA is any different from talking about any other subject.

There are some interesting things about POA as they relate to our experiences there and here. It’s kind of interesting that basically, on POA, you can’t talk about POA and its policies and posters, but on Pilotspin we can talk about POA and its policies and posters freely. That’s a sweet irony, and pointing out irony is interesting.

We have some friends who are smart, interesting conservatives with whom we always have great conversations about ANYTHING AT ALL. No limits. We call ourselves “sanctuary friends.” We even invented a holiday that we celebrate together called “Sanctuary Friendsgiving.” Our conversations include pointing out now and then how we feel about the liberals in our lives and in our country. We point out the direction things are taking, and how we feel about it.

Similarly, it’s interesting here to point out things we notice about POA, such as their startling policy (that I had never noticed before) of removing locked threads entirely. Deplatforming and silencing those who dissent from The Narrative in many venues is a disturbing sign of our ever tightening media bias and control, and it is .... interesting to talk about.

We are all here because POA shut down the Spin Zone, and we wanted to continue freely conversing about anything.

I will posit that it is absolutely vital for human flourishing to have the freedom to talk about anything, including your ability to talk about anything. Change my mind.
Title: Re: PoA does it again.
Post by: Becky on December 15, 2019, 09:16:44 AM
By the way Sooner, I love your music thread thread on POA! I listened to quite a few of the songs shared there the other night. Many artists I hadn’t heard of before.
Title: Re: PoA does it again.
Post by: nddons on December 15, 2019, 09:35:52 AM
That’s essentially what I was highlighting in my original comment.  I don’t really care if those here want to create a weekly “How PoA Hurt My Feelings” thread, makes no difference to me.  I was just curious why there seemed to be so much focus on what PoA members do or how their mods react.  Especially on a site which essentially was created by PoA members who ran off when they couldn’t adhere to the PoA forum rules (SZ spilling into regular forums). 




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Not true. PS was created not because some of us couldn’t adhere to the “forum rules.”  We left because they closed the SZ, in large part because rules were selectively and arbitrarily applied.

I haven’t participated in this thread much because I’ve never been a back to POA since they dropped the SZ, and I couldn’t care less about them.

But I agree with lucifer; if it bothers you that people are ridiculing the moderation and moderators sufficient for you to come on this thread and make that an issue, isn’t that equally petulant? 
Title: Re: PoA does it again.
Post by: Little Joe on December 15, 2019, 10:17:44 AM
Can't we just all be friends?
Title: Re: PoA does it again.
Post by: Anthony on December 15, 2019, 12:40:23 PM
I'm fine if you want to describe it as chastising instead of whining.  So, my question, which still hasn't really been addressed despite so much conjecture over motives or adverb choice . . . why the obsession with mocking/ridiculing/etc. PoA so much?  It still seems like butt-hurt, to keep kicking the dead horse.  Maybe it's just the PS version of Cirrus drivers?  :dunno:

Sometimes we don't get the answers we want.  Why do you care so much?  Are you just going to talk about POA your entire time here?  It seems that you are the one so obsessed with it.  Are you just a Progressive butt hurt about conservatives, and their viewpoints?  Nothing to add but POA, POA, POA? 

There are tons of subjects here, and threads here discussing all kind of things beyond POA, yet you choose that.  Why?
Title: Re: PoA does it again.
Post by: Number7 on December 15, 2019, 02:45:48 PM
I think we’re all being lectured to by a member who believes only his point of view matters...
Title: Re: PoA does it again.
Post by: Little Joe on December 15, 2019, 03:53:48 PM
I think we’re all being lectured to by a member who believes only his point of view matters...
I think that applies to just about everyone on this board.
Title: Re: PoA does it again.
Post by: Bob Noel on December 15, 2019, 03:55:03 PM
I think that applies to just about everyone on this board.

really?  You think that poorly of so many people?



Title: Re: PoA does it again.
Post by: Little Joe on December 15, 2019, 04:16:19 PM
really?  You think that poorly of so many people?
Not sure that indicates I think poorly of them. 

Everyone of them are confident in their opinions.  That is not necessarily a bad thing. 
But the problem is that nobody (with very few exceptions) ever changes their opinion based on dissenting opinions.  Even when they are wrong.
Title: Re: PoA does it again.
Post by: Bob Noel on December 15, 2019, 04:52:23 PM
Not sure that indicates I think poorly of them. 

Everyone of them are confident in their opinions.  That is not necessarily a bad thing. 
But the problem is that nobody (with very few exceptions) ever changes their opinion based on dissenting opinions.  Even when they are wrong.

Isn't there a difference between someone thinking only their opinion matters and someone not changing their opinion?

A person can believe that Grumman Tiger is better than a Mooney (and not change their opinion) but that doesn't mean that they must believe that no other opinion matters, yes?
Title: Re: PoA does it again.
Post by: Little Joe on December 15, 2019, 05:00:08 PM
Isn't there a difference between someone thinking only their opinion matters and someone not changing their opinion?

A person can believe that Grumman Tiger is better than a Mooney (and not change their opinion) but that doesn't mean that they must believe that no other opinion matters, yes?
I'm not going to argue with you on this because I am sure you think only your opinion matters.  And nothing I say will change that.
Title: Re: PoA does it again.
Post by: Bob Noel on December 15, 2019, 05:40:55 PM
I'm not going to argue with you on this because I am sure you think only your opinion matters.  And nothing I say will change that.

wow.  my irony meter has pegged.

Title: Re: PoA does it again.
Post by: SoonerAviator on December 15, 2019, 10:55:12 PM
I really don’t think that talking about POA is any different from talking about any other subject.

There are some interesting things about POA as they relate to our experiences there and here. It’s kind of interesting that basically, on POA, you can’t talk about POA and its policies and posters, but on Pilotspin we can talk about POA and its policies and posters freely. That’s a sweet irony, and pointing out irony is interesting.

We have some friends who are smart, interesting conservatives with whom we always have great conversations about ANYTHING AT ALL. No limits. We call ourselves “sanctuary friends.” We even invented a holiday that we celebrate together called “Sanctuary Friendsgiving.” Our conversations include pointing out now and then how we feel about the liberals in our lives and in our country. We point out the direction things are taking, and how we feel about it.

Similarly, it’s interesting here to point out things we notice about POA, such as their startling policy (that I had never noticed before) of removing locked threads entirely. Deplatforming and silencing those who dissent from The Narrative in many venues is a disturbing sign of our ever tightening media bias and control, and it is .... interesting to talk about.

We are all here because POA shut down the Spin Zone, and we wanted to continue freely conversing about anything.

I will posit that it is absolutely vital for human flourishing to have the freedom to talk about anything, including your ability to talk about anything. Change my mind.

That's a perfectly poignant response.  Much appreciated, and maybe me being naive, was what I was expecting when I first posted about my curiosity with why the subject comes up so often.  I can understand that there would be a loose attachment to PoA and having the ability to comment from afar about the goings-on can be fruitful even if mostly in jest/mockery.  I will reiterate that I am in no way against the freedom to talk about anything and everything here, I just picked up on a subject that seemed odd to frequent so much on what is typically more of a political discussion forum even though it's obviously wide-open for any topic.

By the way Sooner, I love your music thread thread on POA! I listened to quite a few of the songs shared there the other night. Many artists I hadn’t heard of before.

Thanks!  I have found some new music to dig into as well.  I'm glad the thread got some decent responses and kind of gave some interesting color to many of the forum members.  Especially with musical choices I wouldn't have anticipated given my perception of their personality otherwise.
Title: Re: PoA does it again.
Post by: SoonerAviator on December 15, 2019, 11:14:09 PM
Sometimes we don't get the answers we want.  Why do you care so much?  Are you just going to talk about POA your entire time here?  It seems that you are the one so obsessed with it.  Are you just a Progressive butt hurt about conservatives, and their viewpoints?  Nothing to add but POA, POA, POA? 

There are tons of subjects here, and threads here discussing all kind of things beyond POA, yet you choose that.  Why?

I can't believe I'm having to re-type this so many times:  I found it odd/curious that the subject itself seems to pop up so often here.  It's like someone is sitting in wait for them to "moderate" something they don't agree with and then come over here to post that "it happened again".  I comment on other subjects from time-to-time, but I mostly just lurk.  I chose this ONE PoA thread because it stood out to me that I'd been seeing several threads over the past year about virtually the same thing.  So I posted to ask why it comes up so much.  Apparently that is somehow akin to liberal propaganda and whatever fringe absurdities it's been labeled as so far. 

Not true. PS was created not because some of us couldn’t adhere to the “forum rules.”  We left because they closed the SZ, in large part because rules were selectively and arbitrarily applied.

I haven’t participated in this thread much because I’ve never been a back to POA since they dropped the SZ, and I couldn’t care less about them.

But I agree with lucifer; if it bothers you that people are ridiculing the moderation and moderators sufficient for you to come on this thread and make that an issue, isn’t that equally petulant?

But that's just it, it doesn't "bother" me at all.  I have stated such numerous times in this thread.  I just posted because I didn't understand why there was so much preoccupation with the PoA moderation when this site was essentially created as a release from all of that.  Members here are allowed to roast the mods at PoA on a stick ad nauseam for all I care.  I don't know any of the mods personally, and probably couldn't name 2 mods there if you had a gun to my head.  I participate in several forums, aviation and non, and wouldn't bother "defending" any of them from those that wish to speak their piece.  Again, at the risk of repeating myself for the millionth time (which I attempted to let die several pages back):  I am not advocating for anyone to stop threads about PoA moderation (or any other subject matter).  I found it odd that this particular subject comes up so much in a forum group that is relatively small, so I posed the question/commentary that there seems to be some wounds that people won't let close.

 I don't see how that can be misconstrued, but apparently my ability to convey thought into written word is insufficient here.
Title: Re: PoA does it again.
Post by: Little Joe on December 16, 2019, 05:55:30 AM

 I don't see how that can be misconstrued, but apparently my ability to convey thought into written word is insufficient here.
No, that's not the problem.

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There are none so deaf as those that will not hear"
                                                                    Matthew Henry.
Title: Re: PoA does it again.
Post by: Anthony on December 16, 2019, 06:14:46 AM
I can't believe I'm having to re-type this so many times:  I found it odd/curious that the subject itself seems to pop up so often here.  It's like someone is sitting in wait for them to "moderate" something they don't agree with and then come over here to post that "it happened again".  I comment on other subjects from time-to-time, but I mostly just lurk.  I chose this ONE PoA thread because it stood out to me that I'd been seeing several threads over the past year about virtually the same thing.  So I posted to ask why it comes up so much.  Apparently that is somehow akin to liberal propaganda and whatever fringe absurdities it's been labeled as so far. 

But that's just it, it doesn't "bother" me at all.  I have stated such numerous times in this thread.  I just posted because I didn't understand why there was so much preoccupation with the PoA moderation when this site was essentially created as a release from all of that.  Members here are allowed to roast the mods at PoA on a stick ad nauseam for all I care.  I don't know any of the mods personally, and probably couldn't name 2 mods there if you had a gun to my head.  I participate in several forums, aviation and non, and wouldn't bother "defending" any of them from those that wish to speak their piece.  Again, at the risk of repeating myself for the millionth time (which I attempted to let die several pages back):  I am not advocating for anyone to stop threads about PoA moderation (or any other subject matter).  I found it odd that this particular subject comes up so much in a forum group that is relatively small, so I posed the question/commentary that there seems to be some wounds that people won't let close.

 I don't see how that can be misconstrued, but apparently my ability to convey thought into written word is insufficient here.

Well I was hoping for a bit of honesty about your true agenda, since you started off with a lie about why Spin Zone was removed from POA.  It was not us more conservative posters violating the ROC by posting political content outside the Spin Zone as you accused.  It was the Leftist political bias of the site owner and some Moderators who didn't like right of center views on their site.  No prob.  Their site, their rules, but let's be honest about it, huh?  It is their HYPOCRISY and dishonesty that continues to cause angst among some here. 

Now you come here and perpetuate their hypocrisy and dishonesty and don't reveal your true agenda which is to criticize right of center posters due to YOUR political leanings.  Nice try.  I'm not buying it. 
Title: Re: PoA does it again.
Post by: Little Joe on December 16, 2019, 06:27:09 AM
Wow!
Title: Re: PoA does it again.
Post by: Lucifer on December 16, 2019, 06:37:41 AM
Wow!

And "wow" spelled backwards is................."Wow!"
Title: Re: PoA does it again.
Post by: EppyGA on December 16, 2019, 06:52:22 AM
Which one of us do you believe let things slip over outside the SZ?  Surely you can name someone. Also, which of us causes threads to get locked over there now? 

One of the things folks are critical of is what, they perceive, to be a  bias in the suspending or hand slapping that goes on.

If you don't care, why have you commented?
I asked the questions above several days ago. Is there a reason they were just ignored?
Title: Re: PoA does it again.
Post by: Little Joe on December 16, 2019, 07:16:45 AM
I asked the questions above several days ago. Is there a reason they were just ignored?
I assume there was no answer because the answer is either unknown or it is irrelevant if any of US let things slip over.
It did happen.  They decided they didn't want that happening on their forum.
Their site.  Their rules.  We have an acceptable forum here.

If I asked a question like "why do people dress so weird when going to Walmart", would people gang up on me asking why I cared so much and why I was so bent out of shape about it and why am I such a racist and why am I accusing everyone here of dressing up weird and going to Walmart and ... and ... and

It was a question.  The answer should have been something like "because we like making fun of them and their silly rules".  Then the whole thread should have just died. But people keep poking at Sooner and then asking why he keeps responding and why is it so important to him.  It's like asking a dead horse why he keeps flinching when people keep kicking his carcass.

I don't know anything about Sooner's politics.  I might disagree with everything he says or believes.  But he is not the one being an ass here.
Title: Re: PoA does it again.
Post by: Lucifer on December 16, 2019, 07:25:27 AM
Maybe we should moderate the forum.

Let's see, we'll just have one rule.  "Everyone play nice"

Should we start a thread and take a vote?   :o    ::)
Title: Re: PoA does it again.
Post by: Anthony on December 16, 2019, 07:29:01 AM
That's not an accurate statement.  Pilot Spin was created because POA shut down Spin Zone because they no longer wanted political content on their aviation site.  The main reason people participate here is that unlike POA there is no moderation.  Before Spin Zone was shut down, POA became an LEFT LEANING moderated site were some mods only scolded, and banned Conservative posters and posts.  Essentially Liberal/Progressives were receiving AFFIRMATIVE ACTION Moderation. 

I no longer participate at POA and haven't for a long time, and rarely discuss it, but it doesn't bother me that people do.  If it bothers you, don't read the threads where POA is discussed. 

Your participation is certainly welcomed here.

I set the record straight earlier in the thread, yet no response, and I was more than gracious. 
Title: Re: PoA does it again.
Post by: SoonerAviator on December 16, 2019, 08:19:34 AM
I asked the questions above several days ago. Is there a reason they were just ignored?

You asked me to recall specifically who was involved in the dissolution of the spin zone over a year or more prior?  You want me to provide a list of infractions and evidence which, by everyone’s own knowledge, is deleted and white washed by the PoA mods?!  Sure, let me send you the missing minutes from the Nixon tapes as well while I’m at it, lol.

There was spill over into the main forums with political banter and the mods (liberal agenda or otherwise) decided they didn’t want to allow which led to the SZ being killed.  It’s a general statement that I can’t believe that I’d have to try and support with evidence. 


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Title: Re: PoA does it again.
Post by: Number7 on December 16, 2019, 08:25:56 AM
It must be something that left leaning people drink...

Why is it that lefties NEVER think outside of their carefully constructed box of bias?

Good grief, if you HATE that we chatter about the ignorant, bigoted, lefties that run POA, why don;t you either not read those threads, or mind your own damned business?

What makes you think we intend to let a whiner decied what topics we are allowed to discuss?

Or...
Just fuck off with your stupid whining, already.

ooohhh,

and...

Merry Christmas.
Title: Re: PoA does it again.
Post by: Lucifer on December 16, 2019, 08:27:54 AM
You asked me to recall specifically who was involved in the dissolution of the spin zone over a year or more prior?  You want me to provide a list of infractions and evidence which, by everyone’s own knowledge, is deleted and white washed by the PoA mods?!  Sure, let me send you the missing minutes from the Nixon tapes as well while I’m at it, lol.

There was spill over into the main forums with political banter and the mods (liberal agenda or otherwise) decided they didn’t want to allow which led to the SZ being killed. It’s a general statement that I can’t believe that I’d have to try and support with evidence. 


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 This is exactly what you alleged:

That’s essentially what I was highlighting in my original comment.  I don’t really care if those here want to create a weekly “How PoA Hurt My Feelings” thread, makes no difference to me.  I was just curious why there seemed to be so much focus on what PoA members do or how their mods react. Especially on a site which essentially was created by PoA members who ran off when they couldn’t adhere to the PoA forum rules (SZ spilling into regular forums). 

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 The highlighted part of your post is pure bullshit and more of your hyperbole. 
Title: Re: PoA does it again.
Post by: Number7 on December 16, 2019, 08:40:14 AM
I had a reader contact me through an anonymous email I use for my adult books that behaved JUST LIKE sooner aviation.

First he berated me for a plot line that he didn't like.

Then he 'suggested' (it read exactly like an order) an alternative that pleased him.

Eventually I read his bullshit, and responded with a simple question: If you are so convinced that your concept is superior to mine, why not write your own book and show everyone how it's done?

His response was quite demanding and demeaning, as well as borderline viscous.

When I told him to take his comments elsewhere his response was just as pathetic as sooner-boy.

"Well! I was HELPING you write a better novel, by SHARING my skillful thoughts.  I can't BELIEVE you would use  (wait for it)... ISIS style attacks against me."

No kidding. It really was that pathetic, just as pathetic as the whiner here.
Title: Re: PoA does it again.
Post by: SoonerAviator on December 16, 2019, 09:05:54 AM
Well I was hoping for a bit of honesty about your true agenda, since you started off with a lie about why Spin Zone was removed from POA.  It was not us more conservative posters violating the ROC by posting political content outside the Spin Zone as you accused.  It was the Leftist political bias of the site owner and some Moderators who didn't like right of center views on their site.  No prob.  Their site, their rules, but let's be honest about it, huh?  It is their HYPOCRISY and dishonesty that continues to cause angst among some here. 

Now you come here and perpetuate their hypocrisy and dishonesty and don't reveal your true agenda which is to criticize right of center posters due to YOUR political leanings.  Nice try.  I'm not buying it.

I think you might need to step away from the talk radio shows for a bit.  Agenda?  I have no “agenda” whatsoever, you assume facts not in evidence.  I also didn’t criticize any particular posters about what “side” they were on.  AT NO POINT have I mentioned anything about right-or-left viewpoints as having anything to do with the recurrence of threads mocking PoA censorship.  I simply asked why it was a recurring topic at all.

Perhaps I don’t know the “inside story” on why the SZ was killed off, but I don’t see how saying that there was spillover into the forums with politics and that it contributed to the elimination of the SZ is “a lie”. 




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Title: Re: PoA does it again.
Post by: SoonerAviator on December 16, 2019, 09:09:27 AM

 This is exactly what you alleged:


 The highlighted part of your post is pure bullshit and more of your hyperbole.

So this forum would still exist if PoA had kept the SZ?  There’s no hyperbole there.  PoA got rid of the SZ and this site was created to fill that void.  I don’t know how that’s “bullshit”, lol.


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Title: PoA does it again.
Post by: SoonerAviator on December 16, 2019, 09:13:35 AM
I had a reader contact me through an anonymous email I use for my adult books that behaved JUST LIKE sooner aviation.

First he berated me for a plot line that he didn't like.

Then he 'suggested' (it read exactly like an order) an alternative that pleased him.

Eventually I read his bullshit, and responded with a simple question: If you are so convinced that your concept is superior to mine, why not write your own book and show everyone how it's done?

His response was quite demanding and demeaning, as well as borderline viscous.

When I told him to take his comments elsewhere his response was just as pathetic as sooner-boy.

"Well! I was HELPING you write a better novel, by SHARING my skillful thoughts.  I can't BELIEVE you would use  (wait for it)... ISIS style attacks against me."

No kidding. It really was that pathetic, just as pathetic as the whiner here.

Cool story.  Slight problem: I really didn’t “berate” anyone (unless you consider the word “butthurt” to be especially berating . . . snowflakes indeed).  I also didn’t make any suggestions on changes I wanted made.  I also did imply that I had any “better concepts” to convey.  So, you’ve concocted a pretty interesting association which has absolutely no correlation to this thread or my commentary in it.  Bravo!  Adult Fiction is your strong suit!


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Title: Re: PoA does it again.
Post by: Number7 on December 16, 2019, 09:18:27 AM
Bravo!  Adult Fiction is your strong suit!


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...and bullshit whining is yours.
Title: Re: PoA does it again.
Post by: Lucifer on December 16, 2019, 09:23:19 AM
So this forum would still exist if PoA had kept the SZ?  There’s no hyperbole there.  PoA got rid of the SZ and this site was created to fill that void.  I don’t know how that’s “bullshit”, lol.


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Nice dodge, but it's not working.

Again:

. Especially on a site which essentially was created by PoA members who ran off when they couldn’t adhere to the PoA forum rules (SZ spilling into regular forums). 

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 You are alleging previous PoA members "ran off when they couldn't adhere to the PoA forum rules" and created this site.   So who are these members who "ran off" and "couldn't adhere to PoA forum rules"?

 Or are you just using your hyperbole to support your virtue signalling?
Title: Re: PoA does it again.
Post by: Little Joe on December 16, 2019, 09:24:53 AM
It must be something that left leaning people drink...

Why is it that lefties NEVER think outside of their carefully constructed box of bias?
Pot, meet Kettle!

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Good grief, if you HATE that we chatter about the ignorant, bigoted, lefties that run POA, why don;t you either not read those threads, or mind your own damned business?
Provide ONE instance that shows that Sooner HATES anything?

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What makes you think we intend to let a whiner decied what topics we are allowed to discuss?
Provide ONE instance that shows Sooner thinks he should decied what topics we are "allowed" to discuss?
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Or...
Just fuck off with your stupid whining, already.
That sounds more like YOU deciding what other people can say".
Title: Re: PoA does it again.
Post by: Rush on December 16, 2019, 09:36:24 AM
That's a perfectly poignant response.  Much appreciated, and maybe me being naive, was what I was expecting when I first posted about my curiosity with why the subject comes up so often.  I can understand that there would be a loose attachment to PoA and having the ability to comment from afar about the goings-on can be fruitful even if mostly in jest/mockery.  I will reiterate that I am in no way against the freedom to talk about anything and everything here, I just picked up on a subject that seemed odd to frequent so much on what is typically more of a political discussion forum even though it's obviously wide-open for any topic.

Thanks!  I have found some new music to dig into as well.  I'm glad the thread got some decent responses and kind of gave some interesting color to many of the forum members.  Especially with musical choices I wouldn't have anticipated given my perception of their personality otherwise.

The private pilot community is very small relative to other interests among the population so the same people tend to congregate in just a few forums. And these people get together in real life, have real relationships, so saying, “if you don’t like a policy just go elsewhere there are forums to talk about politics,” does not apply. It’s not an interchangeable set of strangers.

It all started around 1998 or pretty much the beginning of forums in general, when the first forums were started by real life friends and lovers even. Amongst these, there became a division between people who want to discuss politics (on both liberal and conservative side) and people who do not, and those who do not include a subset who want only aviation discussed. The attempt to contain political debate of the first group by the second group has been happening ever since, and it evolved over the years to become ever more restrictive until finally, on the AOPA board 2.0 (the Red Board) the subset who wanted only airplane talk won. That board banned ALL subjects not related to aviation and as a result slowly withered and died.

It was a progression starting with complete freedom of speech and ending with very tightly controlled speech. So pilotspin came full circle back to where we started, with the first group of people who want complete freedom to say anything. And from here, we are watching the PoA board like a replay of history, as it becomes ever more heavy handed in restricting what other people can talk about. And ironically the PoA board had spun off from the AOPA board when it became too restrictive. It’s like watching the United States become autocratic after we spun off from King George.

And it is all an outgrowth of real life relationships. It does not matter that technically so’n’so owns the board so they can set the rules. It’s like this: Picture a family get together. Some like to talk politics but others do not. After dinner they congregate in separate rooms. Daddy and some relatives who want to talk politics are in the living room while mommy and those who don’t are in the kitchen talking about casseroles or whatever. Little Johnny is in the kitchen and says, “President Trump came to my school today!”  And mommy says, “You know the rule Johnny, no political talk in the kitchen!” And she puts him over her knee and spanks him.

Mommy might set the rules in the kitchen but she is still being a controlling bitch. Daddy cares what happens in the kitchen because he used to be allowed to talk politics in the kitchen but now mommy has changed the rules. New people marry into the family and side with one or the other so the groups evolve over the years, but the core dynamic is the same: mommy’s group wants to control and limit what daddy’s group talks about. Remember, in the very beginning there were no separate sub forums. “Mommy’s” group wanted to control speech everywhere. That is the historical source of what you sense we won’t let go; we rightly remember that these people are actually control freaks. That’s why their moderation tends to grow tighter and tighter with time. We’ve run this race before and we’ve seen how it ends. Mommy is never happy until daddy is kicked out of the house and nobody can talk about anything except casseroles.

I answered in the musical thread because you asked a very specific question about music causing a special change in your life and that was very true for me. It’s a good thread.

Title: Re: PoA does it again.
Post by: Number7 on December 16, 2019, 09:42:08 AM
Pot, meet Kettle!
Provide ONE instance that shows that Sooner HATES anything?
Provide ONE instance that shows Sooner thinks he should decied what topics we are "allowed" to discuss? That sounds more like YOU deciding what other people can say".

Feeling insecure are we???

Why don't you go find some like minded whiners and sit in  circle playing with play-doh and crayons, while bitching about the bad, old, meanies of the right??? It works so well at Harvard.

Why are so pathetic when other lefties get called out.

If sooner boy can't take the hit, that;s his fucking problem. He should go back to POA and play with the other snowflakes.

When he whines, and whines, and whines about out topics, what do you think he is trying to do... encourage more open conversation? Don't be such an asshole.

He's not all that different than azure, who tried mightily to set the parameters of many conversations and when that didn't work, she ran off to play in snowflake land.

At least kristen pretended to have some backbone, even if she lied out her ass as far as facts.
Title: PoA does it again.
Post by: SoonerAviator on December 16, 2019, 10:07:52 AM
The private pilot community is very small relative to other interests among the population so the same people tend to congregate in just a few forums. And these people get together in real life, have real relationships, so saying, “if you don’t like a policy just go elsewhere there are forums to talk about politics,” does not apply. It’s not an interchangeable set of strangers.

It all started around 1998 or pretty much the beginning of forums in general, when the first forums were started by real life friends and lovers even. Amongst these, there became a division between people who want to discuss politics (on both liberal and conservative side) and people who do not, and those who do not include a subset who want only aviation discussed. The attempt to contain political debate of the first group by the second group has been happening ever since, and it evolved over the years to become ever more restrictive until finally, on the AOPA board 2.0 (the Red Board) the subset who wanted only airplane talk won. That board banned ALL subjects not related to aviation and as a result slowly withered and died.

It was a progression starting with complete freedom of speech and ending with very tightly controlled speech. So pilotspin came full circle back to where we started, with the first group of people who want complete freedom to say anything. And from here, we are watching the PoA board like a replay of history, as it becomes ever more heavy handed in restricting what other people can talk about. And ironically the PoA board had spun off from the AOPA board when it became too restrictive. It’s like watching the United States become autocratic after we spun off from King George.

And it is all an outgrowth of real life relationships. It does not matter that technically so’n’so owns the board so they can set the rules. It’s like this: Picture a family get together. Some like to talk politics but others do not. After dinner they congregate in separate rooms. Daddy and some relatives who want to talk politics are in the living room while mommy and those who don’t are in the kitchen talking about casseroles or whatever. Little Johnny is in the kitchen and says, “President Trump came to my school today!”  And mommy says, “You know the rule Johnny, no political talk in the kitchen!” And she puts him over her knee and spanks him.

Mommy might set the rules in the kitchen but she is still being a controlling bitch. Daddy cares what happens in the kitchen because he used to be allowed to talk politics in the kitchen but now mommy has changed the rules. New people marry into the family and side with one or the other so the groups evolve over the years, but the core dynamic is the same: mommy’s group wants to control and limit what daddy’s group talks about. Remember, in the very beginning there were no separate sub forums. “Mommy’s” group wanted to control speech everywhere. That is the historical source of what you sense we won’t let go; we rightly remember that these people are actually control freaks. That’s why their moderation tends to grow tighter and tighter with time. We’ve run this race before and we’ve seen how it ends. Mommy is never happy until daddy is kicked out of the house and nobody can talk about anything except casseroles.

I answered in the musical thread because you asked a very specific question about music causing a special change in your life and that was very true for me. It’s a good thread.

Thank you Rush.  Again, very much a well-versed response and something I can absolutely understand why the PoA moderation subject would pop up every now and then as you essentially monitor history as it repeats itself so-to-speak.

I did understand how PoA came into existence and that the Red Board 2.0 essentially became “Mommy’s group”.  Whether Mommy happens to be liberal or conservative wasn’t in the least of my concerns or focus for my original question.  Appreciate the feedback.


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Title: Re: PoA does it again.
Post by: SoonerAviator on December 16, 2019, 10:14:27 AM
I’m bowing out, gents (and ladies). I’ve spent way more time responding to this thread that I could have imagined was necessary from what I consider to be a fairly innocuous comment.  I’ll get back to my agenda and virtue signaling right after I figure out what agenda and virtues I want to signal.  I’ll still lurk and respond when I feel called to do so, and hope that it doesn’t involve another ride on the crazy train, lol.

Special thanks to Becky, Rush, and LJ for providing constructive and civil responses.


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Title: Re: PoA does it again.
Post by: nddons on December 16, 2019, 10:15:48 AM
The private pilot community is very small relative to other interests among the population so the same people tend to congregate in just a few forums. And these people get together in real life, have real relationships, so saying, “if you don’t like a policy just go elsewhere there are forums to talk about politics,” does not apply. It’s not an interchangeable set of strangers.

It all started around 1998 or pretty much the beginning of forums in general, when the first forums were started by real life friends and lovers even. Amongst these, there became a division between people who want to discuss politics (on both liberal and conservative side) and people who do not, and those who do not include a subset who want only aviation discussed. The attempt to contain political debate of the first group by the second group has been happening ever since, and it evolved over the years to become ever more restrictive until finally, on the AOPA board 2.0 (the Red Board) the subset who wanted only airplane talk won. That board banned ALL subjects not related to aviation and as a result slowly withered and died.

It was a progression starting with complete freedom of speech and ending with very tightly controlled speech. So pilotspin came full circle back to where we started, with the first group of people who want complete freedom to say anything. And from here, we are watching the PoA board like a replay of history, as it becomes ever more heavy handed in restricting what other people can talk about. And ironically the PoA board had spun off from the AOPA board when it became too restrictive. It’s like watching the United States become autocratic after we spun off from King George.

And it is all an outgrowth of real life relationships. It does not matter that technically so’n’so owns the board so they can set the rules. It’s like this: Picture a family get together. Some like to talk politics but others do not. After dinner they congregate in separate rooms. Daddy and some relatives who want to talk politics are in the living room while mommy and those who don’t are in the kitchen talking about casseroles or whatever. Little Johnny is in the kitchen and says, “President Trump came to my school today!”  And mommy says, “You know the rule Johnny, no political talk in the kitchen!” And she puts him over her knee and spanks him.

Mommy might set the rules in the kitchen but she is still being a controlling bitch. Daddy cares what happens in the kitchen because he used to be allowed to talk politics in the kitchen but now mommy has changed the rules. New people marry into the family and side with one or the other so the groups evolve over the years, but the core dynamic is the same: mommy’s group wants to control and limit what daddy’s group talks about. Remember, in the very beginning there were no separate sub forums. “Mommy’s” group wanted to control speech everywhere. That is the historical source of what you sense we won’t let go; we rightly remember that these people are actually control freaks. That’s why their moderation tends to grow tighter and tighter with time. We’ve run this race before and we’ve seen how it ends. Mommy is never happy until daddy is kicked out of the house and nobody can talk about anything except casseroles.
Wow, Rush. This is a PERFECT synopsis of the history of aviation forums, and the creeping and CHANGING level moderation-cum-tyranny.  I’ve seen the exact same progression.
Title: Re: PoA does it again.
Post by: Little Joe on December 16, 2019, 10:22:24 AM
The private pilot community is very small relative to other interests among the population so the same people tend to congregate in just a few forums. And these people get together in real life, have real relationships, so saying, “if you don’t like a policy just go elsewhere there are forums to talk about politics,” does not apply. It’s not an interchangeable set of strangers.

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We’ve run this race before and we’ve seen how it ends. Mommy is never happy until daddy is kicked out of the house and nobody can talk about anything except casseroles.

Damn Rush, a post like that about 10 pages ago might have saved a lot of angst and butt hurt.
Title: Re: PoA does it again.
Post by: Little Joe on December 16, 2019, 10:26:30 AM
Feeling insecure are we???

Why don't you go find some like minded whiners and sit in  circle playing with play-doh and crayons, while bitching about the bad, old, meanies of the right??? It works so well at Harvard.

Why are so pathetic when other lefties get called out.

If sooner boy can't take the hit, that;s his fucking problem. He should go back to POA and play with the other snowflakes.

When he whines, and whines, and whines about out topics, what do you think he is trying to do... encourage more open conversation? Don't be such an asshole.

He's not all that different than azure, who tried mightily to set the parameters of many conversations and when that didn't work, she ran off to play in snowflake land.

At least kristen pretended to have some backbone, even if she lied out her ass as far as facts.
Sooner gets asked to provide proof from a couple of years ago on a site that has deleted all the evidence.  You couldn't even find one instance on THIS thread to answer the questions I asked.

I hope Sooner sticks to his promise to be done with this thread.  I am done with it and you guys can keep jerking each other to prove how tolerant you are.
Title: Re: PoA does it again.
Post by: Anthony on December 16, 2019, 10:35:55 AM
Maybe if Sooner has some pull over at POA he can get a "Guest Moderator" to come and clean this up, and maybe suspend, or ban a few of us.  One can hope! 

 ;D
Title: Re: PoA does it again.
Post by: Rush on December 16, 2019, 11:01:49 AM
Damn Rush, a post like that about 10 pages ago might have saved a lot of angst and butt hurt.

I tried but he wouldn’t let it go. I said, “there’s a history here...”    I guess he needed a little more detail. Honestly I think it was an innocent question, I can understand his curiosity. He shouldn’t have used the word “butthurt” though. To me that implies hurt feelings without due cause. There’s a lot of legitimate cause behind how we feel about the moderation on other boards. I hope he doesn’t leave this board though.
Title: Re: PoA does it again.
Post by: Number7 on December 16, 2019, 12:46:30 PM
Sooner gets asked to provide proof from a couple of years ago on a site that has deleted all the evidence.  You couldn't even find one instance on THIS thread to answer the questions I asked.

I hope Sooner sticks to his promise to be done with this thread.  I am done with it and you guys can keep jerking each other to prove how tolerant you are.

“Tolerance” has been redefine by pussies and other forms of democrats to mean capitulation to stupid liberals about any topic of interest to anybody. If you need tolerance I suggest you get a fix from the pussies at POA.
Title: Re: PoA does it again.
Post by: bflynn on December 16, 2019, 03:05:13 PM
“Tolerance” has been redefine by pussies and other forms of democrats to mean capitulation to stupid liberals about any topic of interest to anybody. If you need tolerance I suggest you get a fix from the pussies at POA.

Certainly not getting anything approaching tolerance from you...
Title: Re: PoA does it again.
Post by: Anthony on December 16, 2019, 04:01:49 PM
I’m bowing out, gents (and ladies). I’ve spent way more time responding to this thread that I could have imagined was necessary from what I consider to be a fairly innocuous comment.  I’ll get back to my agenda and virtue signaling right after I figure out what agenda and virtues I want to signal.  I’ll still lurk and respond when I feel called to do so, and hope that it doesn’t involve another ride on the crazy train, lol.

Special thanks to Becky, Rush, and LJ for providing constructive and civil responses.


Sent from my iPhone . Squirrel!!

We will wait with baited breath, and great anticipation for your hopeful return.  Please do grace us with your presence once again, oh exalted one, and share your wisdom regarding such important topics of the day.   
Title: Re: PoA does it again.
Post by: Number7 on December 16, 2019, 06:58:47 PM
Certainly not getting anything approaching tolerance from you...

Whine... sniff... sigh...
Title: Re: PoA does it again.
Post by: Mr Pou on December 17, 2019, 10:10:12 AM
The private pilot community is very small relative to other interests among the population so the same people tend to congregate in just a few forums. And these people get together in real life, have real relationships, so saying, “if you don’t like a policy just go elsewhere there are forums to talk about politics,” does not apply. It’s not an interchangeable set of strangers.

It all started around 1998 or pretty much the beginning of forums in general,

Speaking of going way back, there is a chance that I might have met you before. Do (or did) you own a 182RG, possibly turbo, IRRC?
Title: Re: PoA does it again.
Post by: Rush on December 17, 2019, 11:08:27 AM
Speaking of going way back, there is a chance that I might have met you before. Do (or did) you own a 182RG, possibly turbo, IRRC?

182RG but not turbo. I’m pretty sure we did.