PILOT SPIN
Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: bflynn on December 13, 2019, 01:23:42 PM
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New theory on impeachment floating out there - that the Democrats purposefully advanced a horribly flawed impeachment charge. This way they get to impeach Trump and fire up their base, but Republican don't ever get to call defense witnesses.
Their impeachment charge is so flawed that they have know it's DOA on arrival in the Senate. But they had to know that from the beginning, unless they got a slam dunk, it was going to be nearly impossible. By slam dunk, I mean documents, emails, text, pictures of him playing golf with Satan, something that Republicans could not refute. But such things don't exist and were unlikely to ever have existed, so they don't have them.
Therefore...was this all a plan to just fire up their base, smear the president and then duck out of the Senate trial by never having proved their charges? Just another chance to manipulate the Democrat base...
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New theory on impeachment floating out there - that the Democrats purposefully advanced a horribly flawed impeachment charge. This way they get to impeach Trump and fire up their base, but Republican don't ever get to call defense witnesses.
That's not a new theory. I have been saying that all along.
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The dims are living in an alternate universe, in essence they are believing their own bullshit once again. And they thoroughly believed Schiff, that he could do his legal magic and invoke a compelling case to remove the President.
Schiff and Pelosi are as crazy as a sprayed roach. And that craziness extends to their majority.
Right now they are, once again, in disbelief that their grand impeachment is falling apart. They were so confident that the MSM would sway the public to get behind them, and that reluctant republicans would concede. They are in horror that the dims are fighting back and putting them on defense. This wasn’t suppose to happen (sound familiar?).
They opened Pandora’s Box. Now the real fun begins. In the senate the President will have rights, rights the dims can’t arbitrarily remove to their benefit. The Presidents legal team can begin discovery and issue depositions, subpoenas and interrogatories. And they will carry the weight of the law.
Enjoy Adam Schiff, Eric Ciaramella, Hunter and Joe Biden among others. You will be subpoenaed to testify, under oath in front of the Chief Justice of the United States. Also, for all of the establishment R’s and D’s who have their hand in the cookie jar known as the Ukraine, be prepared to be exposed, and likely indicted.
As Wyatt Earp once said “You called down the thunder, well now you got it!”
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Now the real fun begins. In the senate the President will have rights, rights the dims can’t arbitrarily remove to their benefit. The Presidents legal team can begin discovery and issue depositions, subpoenas and interrogatories. And they will carry the weight of the law.
I don't think so. I think they will open the hearings, talk for a few hours and then vote to acquit. They may stretch it out a little longer so they can all get their photo-ops for the people back home, but they are not going to do a thorough investigation.
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I don't think so. I think they will open the hearings, talk for a few hours and then vote to acquit. They may stretch it out a little longer so they can all get their photo-ops for the people back home, but they are not going to do a thorough investigation.
We’ll see. Right now the establishment republicans are freaking out, because they too may be exposed. Hence why the Turtle and Graham want to shut down the trial as quickly as possible.
Oh, one more benefit of the senate trial. All senators must be present, and they are not allowed to discuss the trial while ongoing. This goes for the house prosecutors.
Also, Elizabeth Warren and Bernie, and any other senators running for president must suspend their campaign for the duration of the trial.
Good times!
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Democrats such as Hillary have already blamed the GOP for killing it in the Senate even before it goes there. I am surprised that it is even going to the Senate, or going this soon. I do think this is purely a smear campaign on Trump for 2020. The low information types will believe and repeat the Media's "interpretation" (LIES), but there hopefully is enough to see this sham for what it is.
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They are going to ride, "We impeached Trump" all the way until the next election; truth be damned. And too many people out there will love them for that.
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That's not a new theory. I have been saying that all along.
I said it as well, with the additional thought that the flawed charges would allow recalcitrant democrats in Trump districts the chance to vote no, even if it results in a failed impeachment. In fact, they know the electoral hammer will fall if they impeach him, and the prospect of losing the House is much more vile than the prospect of losing an impeachment vote.
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The dims are living in an alternate universe, in essence they are believing their own bullshit once again. And they thoroughly believed Schiff, that he could do his legal magic and invoke a compelling case to remove the President.
Schiff and Pelosi are as crazy as a sprayed roach. And that craziness extends to their majority.
Right now they are, once again, in disbelief that their grand impeachment is falling apart. They were so confident that the MSM would sway the public to get behind them, and that reluctant republicans would concede. They are in horror that the dims are fighting back and putting them on defense. This wasn’t suppose to happen (sound familiar?).
They opened Pandora’s Box. Now the real fun begins. In the senate the President will have rights, rights the dims can’t arbitrarily remove to their benefit. The Presidents legal team can begin discovery and issue depositions, subpoenas and interrogatories. And they will carry the weight of the law.
Enjoy Adam Schiff, Eric Ciaramella, Hunter and Joe Biden among others. You will be subpoenaed to testify, under oath in front of the Chief Justice of the United States. Also, for all of the establishment R’s and D’s who have their hand in the cookie jar known as the Ukraine, be prepared to be exposed, and likely indicted.
As Wyatt Earp once said “You called down the thunder, well now you got it!”
Eh, I agree with Little Joe. It'll end up just like "lock her up" with Hillary. Lots of blustering for a few days, then they'll close it out without much coming from it. Too many R/Ds with lots to lose if they allow too much digging via depositions and interrogations. Neither side really wants to expose themselves, so just like Hillary, they'll abandon any opportunity to do any serious digging.
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Eh, I agree with Little Joe. It'll end up just like "lock her up" with Hillary. Lots of blustering for a few days, then they'll close it out without much coming from it. Too many R/Ds with lots to lose if they allow too much digging via depositions and interrogations. Neither side really wants to expose themselves, so just like Hillary, they'll abandon any opportunity to do any serious digging.
The biggest reason that you and I may be wrong about this is the actual target. Trump is not one to roll over easily and just take it. He will want to fight back and inflict damage on his accusers. And as the sitting President, he still has a lot of clout, and the support of his substantial base.
And the MSM will make that look like a BAD thing. They will be wrong again.
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The biggest reason that you and I may be wrong about this is the actual target. Trump is not one to roll over easily and just take it. He will want to fight back and inflict damage on his accusers. And as the sitting President, he still has a lot of clout, and the support of his substantial base.
And the MSM will make that look like a BAD thing. They will be wrong again.
I disagree about Trump being the true target of this, he is a strawman here. Sure, they'd like to hurt him, but more than that, they want their base incensed about him and then incensed at Republicans for voting against their sham. The sad part is that it's going to work, at least with their base.
My feeling in the moderate world is that Democrats come out looking...pathetic...for pushing such an obviously flawed impeachment package. I think the damage to them with moderates is greater than their gains with their base and we know that because moderates are tuning out impeachment. Even CNN has moved it "below the fold".
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I disagree about Trump being the true target of this, he is a strawman here. Sure, they'd like to hurt him, but more than that, they want their base incensed about him and then incensed at Republicans for voting against their sham. The sad part is that it's going to work, at least with their base.
My feeling in the moderate world is that Democrats come out looking...pathetic...for pushing such an obviously flawed impeachment package. I think the damage to them with moderates is greater than their gains with their base and we know that because moderates are tuning out impeachment. Even CNN has moved it "below the fold".
Have you seen Michael Bloomberg's TV ads? They are running constantly here. After all his far left progressive fantasies and lies he ends with "and get rid of HIM!" with an unattractive picture of Trump on the screen. Clearly all the Dems have is Orange Man Bad! They are just trying to gin up Trump hate with the faux Impeachment.
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I disagree about Trump being the true target of this, he is a strawman here. Sure, they'd like to hurt him, but more than that, they want their base incensed about him and then incensed at Republicans for voting against their sham. The sad part is that it's going to work, at least with their base.
My feeling in the moderate world is that Democrats come out looking...pathetic...for pushing such an obviously flawed impeachment package. I think the damage to them with moderates is greater than their gains with their base and we know that because moderates are tuning out impeachment. Even CNN has moved it "below the fold".
I think CNN has moved it below the fold because the Republicans now get to fight back without one hand tied behind their backs.
They will have to hear from Barr. They will have to adhere to the rules of evidence. They will have to listen to Republican witnesses. They will have to operate under the Senate rules. And they know ALL of that will be bad for “their side.”
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I think CNN has moved it below the fold because the Republicans now get to fight back without one hand tied behind their backs.
They will have to hear from Barr. They will have to adhere to the rules of evidence. They will have to listen to Republican witnesses. They will have to operate under the Senate rules. And they know ALL of that will be bad for “their side.”
Sometimes I "like" a post, not because I like what is said but rather because I agree with it.
In this case, I both like AND agree with your post.
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Alan Dershowitz: Look, the most important development happened TODAY. The Supreme Court of the United States absolutely pulled the rug out of part two of the impeachment referral by granting certiorari, by granting review in a case where Trump challenged a congressional subpoena! And the Supreme Court said we’re going to hear this case!… Think of what that message is – It’s Trump was right!
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BTW, when this goes to the senate, Alan Dershowitz will be joining the President's legal team.
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I'm out of the loop, I was on airplanes all day yesterday. What happened? Is it going to the Senate already? I thought the House wasn't going to vote on it til later this month. Hubby has "Hercules" on the TV and when I google I just see the judiciary committee approved it and it goes to full House for passage. Has that part happened yet? Has the House passed it?
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I'm out of the loop, I was on airplanes all day yesterday. What happened? Is it going to the Senate already? I thought the House wasn't going to vote on it til later this month. Hubby has "Hercules" on the TV and when I google I just see the judiciary committee approved it and it goes to full House for passage. Has that part happened yet? Has the House passed it?
The "mark up" is now complete, next the articles go to the house floor next week for a vote. If the vote passes, then it goes to the senate and they will take it up in January. Once it starts in the senate, no other senate business may be done, senators may not publicly discuss the proceedings (no running out to the waiting cameras and spinning), and oh, BTW, the senators campaigning for president? Their campaigns are suspended.
Good times ahead.
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I'm out of the loop, I was on airplanes all day yesterday. What happened?
The most recent thing I can think of is that McConnell said they would be coordinating with the president's legal team and the Left lost their minds. I think yesterday they were calling for him to recuse himself.
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Limbaugh thought the rush to get a vote in the full house was to keep D reps in districts that Trump won going home for break and being bombarded by their constituents about impeachment and coming back and voting no.
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https://www.redstate.com/bonchie/2019/12/14/never-trumpers-shocked-learn-impeachment-doesnt-cease-political-leaves-house/
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Thanks everyone. Wow.
Spending the day with mother in law. Can’t talk politics with that family, they are all Democrats.
Flying again tomorrow.
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https://www.citizenfreepress.com/breaking/breaking-democrat-jeff-van-drew-quits-pelosi-announces-switch-to-republican-party/
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The cracks are showing in the crackpot party...