PILOT SPIN
Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: Number7 on December 22, 2019, 07:54:03 PM
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In ANOTHER move towards reducing government nanny meddling, President of the United States (not hilary) eliminated the ban on incandescent light bulbs.
Liberals will surely hit the ground SCREAMING tomorrow that people are going to die because Americans are being allowed to decided for themselves they like.
I have no doubt that Stupid People are already sharpening up their drama queen level outrage at the insensitivity and racism involved in allowing American citizens to make their won decisions about heir lighting needs. Nothing stirs up a progressive (communist) like freedom to decide things, free speech, freedom of religion, freedom to own and bare arms, freedom to petition the government for redess of wrongs, etc... Just imagine the azures and steingars of the world waking up tomorrow in an America where people are FREE to go tot eh store of their choice and BUY the light bulb they think is right for them, instead of asshole liberals deciding for them.
https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2019/12/trump_gives_us_back_our_light_bulbs.html
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In ANOTHER move towards reducing government nanny meddling, President of the United States (not hilary) eliminated the ban on incandescent light bulbs.
Liberals will surely hit the ground SCREAMING tomorrow that people are going to die because Americans are being allowed to decided for themselves they like.
I have no doubt that Stupid People are already sharpening up their drama queen level outrage at the insensitivity and racism involved in allowing American citizens to make their won decisions about heir lighting needs. Nothing stirs up a progressive (communist) like freedom to decide things, free speech, freedom of religion, freedom to own and bare arms, freedom to petition the government for redess of wrongs, etc... Just imagine the azures and steingars of the world waking up tomorrow in an America where people are FREE to go tot eh store of their choice and BUY the light bulb they think is right for them, instead of asshole liberals deciding for them.
https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2019/12/trump_gives_us_back_our_light_bulbs.html
(https://giudansky.com/images/articoli/2019/09/howdareyou-poster.jpg)
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I like LED bulbs for the most part, but Government shouldn't be eliminating our CHOICES on what we can own.
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I like choices and I like LED lights. Cool, long life, low power draw.
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dang - now my cache of incendescent bulbs is nearly worthless.
:-)
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Great news. The Death Ray I am making is now slightly less illegal than before.
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I like LED bulbs and they have came a long way, but CFL bulbs were limited where they worked or would last.
I also will install LED where I can because I am cheap not because the government tells me I have to.
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I like that we have a choice, but I choose LEDs. I hated CFLs.
Just yesterday, I replaced seventeen (yikes) 50-watt halogen lights in my guest bathroom with 5 watt LEDs. The light is better and I am saving 765 watts. But the main reason I replaced them is we are having friends over for the holidays, and the wife tends to blow the circuit breaker in the bathroom once or twice a visit when she plugs in her monster blow dryer, until she realizes she doesn't really need ALL the lights on. There are three light switches and the plug is on the same circuit with the lights. Hopefully, she can use both the lights and the dryer this time.
The prices of LEDs is coming down, but they are still expensive. I spent about $70 on bulbs. I'm not sure I'll live long enough to recoup that in electric savings.
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dang - now my cache of incendescent bulbs is nearly worthless.
:-)
This is me. I bought a lifetime worth of incandescent bulbs. They are the heavy duty ones that last a long time. I like the color and heat of the incandescent.
We could have had an endless supply of clean, cheap electricity with no need to ban lightbulbs if the federal government hadn’t ruined the nuclear power industry in the U.S.
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Trump not only gave us what we wanted, which was nice luminous lightbulbs, which had outrageously been banned, he also trolled the left in the wake of it - expressing his disdain for how certain light bulbs make him look orange, something that will get the rabid left hopping.
LOL! It’s like he holds up a reflector. The left’s shots at him just get turned back on them.
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Trump reinforces that Americans should have freedom to choose. It may be a small gesture, as with the toilet issue, but it reflects a larger philosophy that unelected Government Bureaucrats, backed by Communists like Obama, should NOT be able to DICTATE to what free citizens should be able to own. Same with guns.
The EPA, IRS, Interior, BATF, and other agencies have become way to powerful and monolithic. Maybe some drastic job cuts are in order to further send the message that they are not Royalty, but work for us.
I remember a few years ago, Jesse Waters did a "Waters World" outside some big city university and asked the question, "How has President Obama increased freedom for Americans." The blank, vapid stares and sound of crickets was amazing. Their look was "freedom? who cares about freedom", we just want more PC, Woke, Social Justice and big government". It was HILARIOUS. It even stopped them from saying "LIKE" every other word as they were rendered speechless.
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This is me. I bought a lifetime worth of incandescent bulbs. They are the heavy duty ones that last a long time. I like the color and heat of the incandescent.
We could have had an endless supply of clean, cheap electricity with no need to ban lightbulbs if the federal government hadn’t ruined the nuclear power industry in the U.S.
Rush, you and I would have a blast if we ever got together. I hoarded incandescents too, and still keep coming across them in closets and in the garage, tucked away here and there. Mainly for me it’s that I like the light quality, but at the time of the ban, it seemed CFLs were more promoted and available than LEDs.
I hate hate hate CFLs. And they contain harmful crap. The instructions for disposal on those suckers requires more basic sense and English as a first language than I’m sure many people living in the United States possess. Another case of the leftists shooting us all in the foot.
There was a cool song put out by someone right after O was elected ... it was called “Obama on your shoulder.” Quickly it had become apparent that Obama was going to be giving us lectures and admonitions about how to live and behave. Michele chimed in with her stupid school lunch program.
Good riddance, and Go Trump.
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Here it is!!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6kJTIbZM9Zo
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This is me. I bought a lifetime worth of incandescent bulbs. They are the heavy duty ones that last a long time. I like the color and heat of the incandescent.
We could have had an endless supply of clean, cheap electricity with no need to ban lightbulbs if the federal government hadn’t ruined the nuclear power industry in the U.S.
Us too!
The problem is that I believe all US incandescent bulb factories have been closed since 2010.
Thanks a lot George, you asshole.
Thank God for Trump!
https://www.engadget.com/2010/09/13/ge-closes-last-us-factory-making-incandescent-light-bulbs/
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I can appreciate the "freedom" being returned for light bulb choice. However, I can't think of a reason to have incandescent bulbs anymore. I have converted just about every fixture to LEDs and love the instant-on like incandescent bulbs, but the long life of LEDs as well as better range of color selections. I have no need for "heat" from a bulb, and the CFLs were barely better than the bulbs they replaced. Especially love the outdoor PAR flood lamps with LEDs. Those incandescent and halogen bulbs got HOT and burned out quickly. Haven't touched/replaced a single LED bulb I've installed so far, some going on 3-4 years.
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The LED bulbs can't be used as a quick and dirty dehumidifier.
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Did not hoard any incandescent bulbs and hoping to get the rest of the house changed over to LED. Like the savings in my electric bill.
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Did not hoard any incandescent bulbs and hoping to get the rest of the house changed over to LED. Like the savings in my electric bill.
Given the sunk cost of the bulbs already purchased and the higher cost of the LED bulbs, what's the breakeven point?
(and note that while the led bulb will last a long time, the electronics driving the led aren't infallible)
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Given the sunk cost of the bulbs already purchased and the higher cost of the LED bulbs, what's the breakeven point?
(and note that while the led bulb will last a long time, the electronics driving the led aren't infallible)
I've already replaced a few LEDs well before their expected lifetime and way before their payback period.
But I still like their low power draw (less heat), better light and (usually) longer lifetimes.
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Given the sunk cost of the bulbs already purchased and the higher cost of the LED bulbs, what's the breakeven point?
(and note that while the led bulb will last a long time, the electronics driving the led aren't infallible)
That's hard to quantify, because lifecycles seem to be all over the place, but they are "longer" than incandescent. Most of my house is now LED, and I haven't replaced one yet, and it's probably been over three maybe four years. I don't keep a lot of lights on throughout the house since it is just me rattling around.
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Digikey has a (slightly dated but still relevant) white paper on LED lifespan:
https://www.digikey.com/en/articles/techzone/2011/dec/determining-led-rated-life-a-tricky-challenge (https://www.digikey.com/en/articles/techzone/2011/dec/determining-led-rated-life-a-tricky-challenge)
LEDs aren’t appropriate in high temperature environments like oven lights.
There are a bunch of videos on Youtube that do teardowns of LED bulbs that exhibited early failures. This one seems popular:
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The only LED bulb I’ve had to replace was a Z-Wave bulb because the controller portion of it quit.
I live in 1440 sq ft house with one finished room in the basement that is roughly 150 sq ft. The house is all electric with two heat pumps and average $135 a month for electric.
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Digikey has a (slightly dated but still relevant) white paper on LED lifespan:
https://www.digikey.com/en/articles/techzone/2011/dec/determining-led-rated-life-a-tricky-challenge (https://www.digikey.com/en/articles/techzone/2011/dec/determining-led-rated-life-a-tricky-challenge)
LEDs aren’t appropriate in high temperature environments like oven lights.
There are a bunch of videos on Youtube that do teardowns of LED bulbs that exhibited early failures. This one seems popular:
Well that explains it. They suffer from the same problem everything else does these days. Electronic circuit boards instead of simple mechanics/physics.
TLDW:
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Changed lots of landing lights before installing an LED one. In 5 years, we've yet to change it. Ditto at my house.
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That's hard to quantify, because lifecycles seem to be all over the place, but they are "longer" than incandescent. Most of my house is now LED, and I haven't replaced one yet, and it's probably been over three maybe four years. I don't keep a lot of lights on throughout the house since it is just me rattling around.
We moved into a new place five years ago, new house, contractor grade incandescent bulbs. I figured I'd have them all replaced with LED by now. Nope, I've thus far replaced only five bulbs out of ~60. Those contractor grade incandescents aren't too shabby acutally.
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We moved into a new place five years ago, new house, contractor grade incandescent bulbs. I figured I'd have them all replaced with LED by now. Nope, I've thus far replaced only five bulbs out of ~60. Those contractor grade incandescents aren't too shabby acutally.
Yes, that’s what I bought a lifetime supply of. I thought they’d only last me a few years but I hardly ever need to replace them, I replace them at about the same rate you do; one a year. I bought around 200 of them and I’m only going to live 30 more years max, so yes, I literally have a lifetime supply. Two lifetimes.