Post by: Jim Logajan on December 24, 2019, 07:52:27 PM
And happy holidays to everyone else!
Post by: Number7 on December 24, 2019, 08:16:59 PM
And right back at you.
Post by: Anthony on December 24, 2019, 09:16:27 PM
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on December 25, 2019, 06:39:30 AM
Post by: nddons on December 25, 2019, 06:45:53 AM
Post by: Lucifer on December 25, 2019, 07:06:56 AM
Post by: jb1842 on December 25, 2019, 09:33:36 AM
Post by: bflynn on December 25, 2019, 10:17:39 AM
Regrettably it is harram for Muslims to wish us happiness on our infidel holidays, but still my best wishes to them at the end of our year.
Post by: Dweyant on December 25, 2019, 08:11:42 PM
-Dan
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on December 25, 2019, 09:52:21 PM
Post by: nddons on December 26, 2019, 06:27:15 AM
Merry fairytale day! While I do believe there may be a higher power out there, I sure as hell don't believe in the make believe stories told by religion.Well that was unnecessary. You also sound like a militant atheist lib, which I know you’re not.
Post by: jb1842 on December 26, 2019, 06:59:02 AM
Well that was unnecessary. You also sound like a militant atheist lib, which I know you’re not.
Just felt like stirring the pot a little. But I do hate the fair weather christians that only show up to church on the major holidays.
Post by: Lucifer on December 26, 2019, 07:25:30 AM
Just felt like stirring the pot a little. But I do hate the fair weather christians that only show up to church on the major holidays.
I'm still trying to figure out how the birth of the messiah correlates with a fat guy in a hokey red suite leaving gifts, and how the crucifixion is called "Good Friday" and that the resurrection has something to do with a giant rabbit leaving eggs hidden everywhere.
Post by: jb1842 on December 26, 2019, 07:43:34 AM
I'm still trying to figure out how the birth of the messiah correlates with a fat guy in a hokey red suite leaving gifts, and how the crucifixion is called "Good Friday" and that the resurrection has something to do with a giant rabbit leaving eggs hidden everywhere.
Doesn't really matter because it is all make believe ;D
Post by: jb1842 on December 26, 2019, 07:52:20 AM
I'm still trying to figure out how the birth of the messiah correlates with a fat guy in a hokey red suite leaving gifts, and how the crucifixion is called "Good Friday" and that the resurrection has something to do with a giant rabbit leaving eggs hidden everywhere.
Christianity, and especially Roman Catholics (sorry, Stan) have a long history of adopting beliefs, date, etc. from pagans and other religions to legitimize their belief system. I don't think it matters one way or another whether Santa or the bunny relate to religion, but since they help bring religion to the attention of the people of the world, it's all good. And some origin stories of Santa are based on a Bishop bringing presents to others.
Post by: Lucifer on December 26, 2019, 08:03:57 AM
Christianity, and especially Roman Catholics (sorry, Stan) have a long history of adopting beliefs, date, etc. from pagans and other religions to legitimize their belief system. I don't think it matters one way or another whether Santa or the bunny relate to religion, but since they help bring religion to the attention of the people of the world, it's all good. And some origin stories of Santa are based on a Bishop bringing presents to others.
Bishops wore red suits with white fur accents, and had sleighs pulled by flying reindeer?
Damn!, I'm so confused!
Post by: Lucifer on December 26, 2019, 08:11:38 AM
And it's great to hear our President say "Merry Christmas".
Post by: jb1842 on December 26, 2019, 08:27:13 AM
Bishops wore red suits with white fur accents, and had sleighs pulled by flying reindeer?
Damn!, I'm so confused!
Hell yeah they did. About as believable as someone never banging their wife and then her getting knocked up by some mythical being.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on December 26, 2019, 08:49:58 AM
https://www.gocomics.com/duplex/2019/12/26
(apropos of wishing people a Merry Christmas)
Post by: Lucifer on December 26, 2019, 10:47:48 AM
Post by: Lucifer on December 27, 2019, 06:20:41 AM
Post by: Steingar on December 27, 2019, 07:55:42 AM
Post by: Anthony on December 27, 2019, 02:49:47 PM
Hell yeah they did. About as believable as someone never banging their wife and then her getting knocked up by some mythical being.
How do you know it's mythical? I could just as easily be real as mythical, and I am not at all religious by the way.
Post by: Little Joe on December 27, 2019, 03:32:22 PM
How do you know it's mythical?Now really; what kind of a question is that when we are talking about Gods and ghosts and things?
If you believe it, it is real. If you don't, it is mythical. There is no proof that would hold up in court either way.
So NOBODY knows, although some people think they do.
Post by: Jim Logajan on December 27, 2019, 04:21:44 PM
Now really; what kind of a question is that when we are talking about Gods and ghosts and things?
If you believe it, it is real. If you don't, it is mythical. There is no proof that would hold up in court either way.
So NOBODY knows, although some people think they do.
When I made the post that started this thread I knew the belief itself was real, even though I am an atheist. If I thought that the belief was that detrimental to my own interests I would not have wished anyone a Merry Christmas. But there are many fine people among my family and friends who believe in God and no reason for me to treat them with disdain or argue about their beliefs.
Since belief systems seem often driven by emotional reactions, I think it important to leave a good impression of atheists. Too often atheists come across as jerks. If someone wishes me a Merry Christmas my response is to reply in kind. Only if circumstances permit further discussion would I mention that I am an atheist. (Several years ago at the end of a late December conference call with some computer programmers in Bangalore they wished me a Merry Christmas, so I responded in kind. I knew they were Hindu and probably assumed I was Christian, but it wasn’t an appropriate time to mention their mistake. It was the thought that counted.)
I considered not initiating the post at all, and who would notice such a lack? But I thought some might appreciate a sincere Merry Christmas even among those who know I am an atheist. I acknowledge your belief is real and presumably helps guide your life, even if I don’t have such a belief.
Post by: Anthony on December 27, 2019, 04:49:26 PM
Now really; what kind of a question is that when we are talking about Gods and ghosts and things?
If you believe it, it is real. If you don't, it is mythical. There is no proof that would hold up in court either way.
So NOBODY knows, although some people think they do.
Anyone that says he/she really KNOWS is fooling themselves. As you say. NOBODY KNOWS. So believe what you want. We may get the answers when we die, and we may not. In the meantime tear it up.
Post by: jb1842 on December 27, 2019, 05:40:49 PM
Post by: Anthony on December 28, 2019, 07:43:12 AM
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on December 28, 2019, 09:50:35 AM
Post by: Anthony on December 28, 2019, 09:54:40 AM
I’ve struggled all my life with the concept of the birth lottery. Why me, so blessed and fortunate, and so many others not?
It was your destiny as an American. It is also the reason we could expand the country to the West Coast. Now, I'd like to give it back to the Spanish. They can deal with the homeless problem, illegal aliens, and effing Silicon Valley Commies. :)
Post by: nddons on December 28, 2019, 10:37:44 AM
When I made the post that started this thread I knew the belief itself was real, even though I am an atheist. If I thought that the belief was that detrimental to my own interests I would not have wished anyone a Merry Christmas. But there are many fine people among my family and friends who believe in God and no reason for me to treat them with disdain or argue about their beliefs.Thank you Jim. I have atheist friends that have the same attitude as you.
Since belief systems seem often driven by emotional reactions, I think it important to leave a good impression of atheists. Too often atheists come across as jerks. If someone wishes me a Merry Christmas my response is to reply in kind. Only if circumstances permit further discussion would I mention that I am an atheist. (Several years ago at the end of a late December conference call with some computer programmers in Bangalore they wished me a Merry Christmas, so I responded in kind. I knew they were Hindu and probably assumed I was Christian, but it wasn’t an appropriate time to mention their mistake. It was the thought that counted.)
I considered not initiating the post at all, and who would notice such a lack? But I thought some might appreciate a sincere Merry Christmas even among those who know I am an atheist. I acknowledge your belief is real and presumably helps guide your life, even if I don’t have such a belief.
What I don’t understand is why some atheists or agnostics feel the need to proselytize their lack of faith, or ridicule those who do hold faith.
Post by: Anthony on December 28, 2019, 11:12:45 AM
Thank you Jim. I have atheist friends that have the same attitude as you.
What I don’t understand is why some atheists or agnostics feel the need to proselytize their lack of faith, or ridicule those who do hold faith.
Ever talk to a Vegan?
Post by: nddons on December 28, 2019, 12:23:59 PM
Ever talk to a Vegan?No. I don’t associate with that level of Godless heathen.
Post by: Anthony on December 28, 2019, 03:24:11 PM
No. I don’t associate with that level of Godless heathen.
Well it is akin to speaking with the Spanish Inquisition, only a lot WORSE. Godless is an understatement. They are MEATLESS! :)
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on December 28, 2019, 05:41:34 PM
Post by: Jim Logajan on December 28, 2019, 08:09:55 PM
Ever ask an atheist which calendar they use?
The ones with Bettie Page.
Post by: Anthony on December 28, 2019, 11:24:57 PM
Ever ask an atheist which calendar they use?
Pagan? The one with Stonehenge on the cover?