PILOT SPIN
Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: President-Elect Bob Noel on December 29, 2019, 06:31:05 PM
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Reading most of the articles about the shooting at a Texas church, you see statements early in the article that parishioners shot and killed a gunman. Buried in the article you'll eventually be able to see that the gunman was shot in self-defense.
It's always "store owners kills so-and-so" (when the store owner is protecting himself and other customers). And similar type of headlines.
It's as if "journalists" have an extreme adversion to admitting that people can legitimately defend themselves using firearms.
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The narrative must be maintained.
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George Soros hasn’t given them permission...
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The video is brutal. The, now deceased, gunman shot one guy point blank. The security dude that took him down was a very good shot.
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The narrative must be maintained.
^^^^^This. This was a good shoot, where law abiding citizens, legally carrying guns defeated what could have been a Mass Shooting. Unfortunately, two innocent people died before they could put down the Perp whom they killed. However, many more would have died if they had to wait for the Cops to show up.
This reinforces that Good Guys with Guns can prevent, stop, and minimize damage from the whack jobs. The Media and Democrats (same thing) don't want that as they just want the law abiding DISARMED.
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Quite the skillful display of marksmanship in that church. Couldn't have ben easy to aim pistols in a turbulent environment under duress, but the fellows were able to do so. A pity they had to be armed in a house of worship, but that's our world.
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People are posting online that guy who took out the shooter owns a firearm training business and is an instructor. Damn good shooting.
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People are posting online that guy who took out the shooter owns a firearm training business and is an instructor. Damn good shooting.
If that's true, then he is getting some mighty good publicity and his business should do well.
If not, then he should think about doing just that.
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Quite the skillful display of marksmanship in that church. Couldn't have ben easy to aim pistols in a turbulent environment under duress, but the fellows were able to do so. A pity they had to be armed in a house of worship, but that's our world.
No matter what the MEDIA tells you these types of shootings are extremely RARE, and account for very few deaths. However, like having homeowners insurance, a house fire is rare, but we still buy insurance. It is nice to have when you need it.
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People are posting online that guy who took out the shooter owns a firearm training business and is an instructor. Damn good shooting.
Ex-FBI.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/texas-church-shooting-man-take-out-gunman-west-freeway-church
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Ex-FBI.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/texas-church-shooting-man-take-out-gunman-west-freeway-church
I know too many FBI agents and other LEO whose firearm skills are marginal at best, amd barely qualify. You would be surprised at how many only shoot when they have to qual. He seems like the exception, though. Hero in anybody's opinion.
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I know too many FBI agents and other LEO whose firearm skills are marginal at best, amd barely qualify. You would be surprised at how many only shoot when they have to qual. He seems like the exception, though. Hero in anybody's opinion.
He does seem like the exception, but he has his own gun training business so he is experienced and into it. My experience is similar to you. I have belonged to several gun clubs over the past 25 or 30 years, and have encountered police that come as guests to "practice" to do their annual qualification. I have coached some as they have become frustrated because they could not get rounds on paper at 10, 15 or 25 yards. One female police officer was so unsafe that she was asked to leave, and banned from the club. They are not all like this, but most people would be surprised how many are.
Inaccurate, borderline, or blatantly UNSAFE and not knowledgeable about guns in general, except MAYBE their own Glock. We had a female cop (not picking on them) at the Philly airport put a round from a revolver she had confiscated into the wall. She is lucky she didn't shoot herself or someone else. She thought she needed to pull the trigger to disassemble the firearm like on her Glock. Bang. .38 Special round into the drywall. She was neither reprimanded nor fired probably because she was Black.
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I know too many FBI agents and other LEO whose firearm skills are marginal at best, amd barely qualify. You would be surprised at how many only shoot when they have to qual.
Then what did the govt do with those billions of rounds they bought when Obama was in office?
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I know too many FBI agents and other LEO whose firearm skills are marginal at best, amd barely qualify. You would be surprised at how many only shoot when they have to qual. He seems like the exception, though. Hero in anybody's opinion.
Over 20 years ago I was given the unbelievable opportunity to train and shoot at an FBI facility next to Great Lakes Naval Training Center. One of their SWAT instructors said the scariest part of his job was conducting training and quals for local police departments.
That was the first time I ever shot an MP-5 and an M-16. It was a very good day!
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Then what did the govt do with those billions of rounds they bought when Obama was in office?
A lot of it does go towards training, there are over 100,000 federal LEO out there. I can't remember how many rounds FLETC (Federal Law Enforcement Training Center) goes through, but when I went there I personally shot a few hundred at a time, 2-3 times a week, and 2 quals a year plus tactical shooting. Handgun, rifle, and shotgun ammo. Plus most agencies spent years in competition with the military on being able to procure ammo. So know they keep a lot of spare ammo on hand case ammo becomes short again.
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He does seem like the exception, but he has his own gun training business so he is experienced and into it. My experience is similar to you. I have belonged to several gun clubs over the past 25 or 30 years, and have encountered police that come as guests to "practice" to do their annual qualification. I have coached some as they have become frustrated because they could not get rounds on paper at 10, 15 or 25 yards. One female police officer was so unsafe that she was asked to leave, and banned from the club. They are not all like this, but most people would be surprised how many are.
Inaccurate, borderline, or blatantly UNSAFE and not knowledgeable about guns in general, except MAYBE their own Glock. We had a female cop (not picking on them) at the Philly airport put a round from a revolver she had confiscated into the wall. She is lucky she didn't shoot herself or someone else. She thought she needed to pull the trigger to disassemble the firearm like on her Glock. Bang. .38 Special round into the drywall. She was neither reprimanded nor fired probably because she was Black.
I KNOW HER!!! JK. But in all seriousness, we had one that was her twin. Took her multiple times to qual. Another I went to the academy with dropped the Glock the first time she shot it, then shot the ceiling with the AR while prone at 25 yards.. She was taking remedial training every night to pass. Thankfully neither are employed with my agency anymore. And both were black and from New York. Not saying they were PC hires, but they were.
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I know too many FBI agents and other LEO whose firearm skills are marginal at best, amd barely qualify. You would be surprised at how many only shoot when they have to qual.
I have a friend who would strongly agree with this. He is retired now, but worked many years as a LEO, part of that time as a firearm instructor. He said that many cops would only barely qualify, and one detective came in with a revolver that was so rusted from being carried concealed that it wouldn't even fire. I both laugh and weep when I hear gun-grabbers say that only the police should be allowed to have guns, since they are trained experts.
Tim
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I both laugh and weep when I hear gun-grabbers say that only the police should be allowed to have guns, since they are trained experts.
Tim
Yet that same group says veterans should not be allowed to own weapons. ???
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Yet that same group says veterans should not be allowed to own weapons. ???
I'm especially disgusted by those that says active duty servicemen under 21 shouldn't be allowed to purchase a handgun or a long gun.
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I'm especially disgusted by those that says active duty servicemen under 21 shouldn't be allowed to purchase a handgun or a long gun.
They shouldn't be allowed to purchase a weapon. They should be given those weapons.