PILOT SPIN
Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: Lucifer on January 01, 2020, 07:41:47 AM
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As California marches further into socialism, here's some new laws that take place today.
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/bethbaumann/2020/01/01/nothing-says-happy-new-year-quite-like-giving-taxpayer-funded-health-care-to-il-n2558798
Congratulations, California. You are the first state in the nation to extend even greater health care benefits to illegal aliens (as if they should be given any to begin with). And just more proof that your legislators are willing to put illegal aliens before actual Americans.
https://www.lawenforcementtoday.com/here-are-californias-new-laws-to-seize-guns-and-attack-police-officers-in-2020-buckle-up/
Teachers, school administrators and employers can now ask courts to take away guns from people under an expansion of the state’s “gun restraining order law”, which currently only allows family members and police officers to have firearms seized from people deemed a “public risk.”
The new law will allow the above entities to petition courts to remove guns. What could possibly go wrong? The law was proposed after the high school shooting in Parkland, FL in February.
As with all these feel-good gun laws, this one also skips the little clause in the Constitution called due process. It can take up to 21 days before a court will hear testimony from the person losing the guns. So basically, they lose their constitutional rights under the Second Amendment pending a court appearance three weeks later.
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In the law enforcement arena, police didn’t escape the long arm of California lawmakers either.
The state’s deadly force statute was amended to say that officers can “use deadly force only when it’s necessary in defense of human life.” The law changes the standard from saying that officers can use deadly force when it is “reasonable” to when it is “necessary.
So let’s look at this again. Under the new law, lethal force may be used by police when it is “necessary in defense of human life” as perceived by a “reasonable” officer and based on the “totality” of circumstances. It also speaks to de-escalation as an alternative to deadly force.
So before, when police officers got the benefit of the doubt generally, that will no longer be the case in California.
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Yikes. To think I lived there at one time, and in the Bay Area! What a HELL HOLE.
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People think these red flag laws will result in clear cut cases of obviously mentally ill people having their guns removed, which I bet in many cases such a law is unnecessary. Probably every day family members quietly take dangerous things like guns and car keys away from their loved one because they’ve become suicidal or demented in old age or otherwise unhinged.
But in reality I bet most of the cases brought will not be clear cut and obvious. They will be “his word against hers” and the judge in an abundance of caution will side with taking the guns away.
Example: neighbor dispute. You have continuing friction with your neighbor over where exactly is the property line and your neighbor decides you are “insane” (you think the same of him) and the neighbor knows you own guns (maybe you used to be friends or maybe he’s seen you load long gun bags on the way to the range or to go hunting). This neighbor’s wife is hysterical about guns because all she knows is Hollywood and CNN and so pesters your neighbor to go tell a judge you are a danger.
Another example: an abusive man, a wife beater. The wife moves out and gets a gun to protect herself. The abuser goes and tells the judge she is “crazy” in order to disarm her, leaving her vulnerable to him.
In real cases of a dangerous person, despite the rare times they slip through the cracks and a tragedy happens, often the matter is handled without involving the courts. You never hear about it because it never makes news. But we probably all know of people who have done this or have done it ourselves.
But what this law is going to do is provide the power and means for unscrupulous liars to persecute innocent firearm owners.
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Red Flag Laws are another way for the bureaucracy to disarm law abiding citizens without DUE PROCESS. They hate that we can legally own guns because it diminishes their power. They are Royalty after all.
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Red Flag Laws are another way for the bureaucracy to disarm law abiding citizens without DUE PROCESS. They hate that we can legally own guns because it diminishes their power. They are Royalty after all.
It won't take 24 hours before the new law is used to shut down dissenting opinions, under the threat of using the red flag law the way bathhouse barry used the DOJ.
Just like the libs would want to use obamacare to decided based on political affiliation who is allowed to receive health care.
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Yikes. To think I lived there at one time, and in the Bay Area! What a HELL HOLE.
Another former inhabitant of that state . Lured by the natural beauty and weather, repelled by the political climate and cost of living. Now it's a place I visit once in a while and I'm good with that.
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Another former inhabitant of that state . Lured by the natural beauty and weather, repelled by the political climate and cost of living. Now it's a place I visit once in a while and I'm good with that.
Why do Progressives ruin beautiful places with once great Quality of Life. I lived in Colorado (Denver burbs) for several years also. Got to test out what I had been taught about density altitude and mountain flying for real. It's all true, by the way. :)
The Californians and other Bliss Ninny, Nanny State types have taken over the Front Range like all other population dense areas in every state in the country. They like the lower taxes, reasonable cost of living and housing plus the natural beauty and recreational opportunities. Then they demand more Gun Control, and for Government on every level do everything to reinstate all the CRAP they left. So taxes go up, housing goes up, and everything else is more expensive. Freedom and Liberty are meaningless to these people. Madness.
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Why do Progressives ruin beautiful places with once great Quality of Life. I loved in Colorado (Denver burbs) for several years also. Got to test out what I had been taught about density altitude and mountain flying for real. It's all true, by the way. :)
The Californians and other Bliss Ninny, Nanny State types have taken over the Front Range like all other population dense areas in every state in the country. They like the lower taxes, reasonable cost of living and housing plus the natural beauty and recreational opportunities. Then they demand more Gun Control, for Government on every level do everything to reinstate all the CRAP they left. So taxes go up, housing goes up, and everything else is more expensive. Freedom and Liberty are meaningless to these people. Madness.
They're like locusts that migrate to ripe areas then decimate them and move on to the next.
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Why do Progressives ruin beautiful places with once great Quality of Life. I loved in Colorado (Denver burbs) for several years also. Got to test out what I had been taught about density altitude and mountain flying for real. It's all true, by the way. :)
The Californians and other Bliss Ninny, Nanny State types have taken over the Front Range like all other population dense areas in every state in the country. They like the lower taxes, reasonable cost of living and housing plus the natural beauty and recreational opportunities. Then they demand more Gun Control, and for Government on every level do everything to reinstate all the CRAP they left. So taxes go up, housing goes up, and everything else is more expensive. Freedom and Liberty are meaningless to these people. Madness.
We have that problem in southern New Hampshire. Folks moving here from Boston and elsewhere. I was talking with one man and asked why he moved here. He said the usual things such as taxes, lower cost of living, better schools, etc. I then asked him if he was voting the same way here as he did in Massachusetts. When he blushed I knew the answer then asked him why he wants to bring the bad stuff he left here. His response was "That's the way I've always voted."
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We have that problem in southern New Hampshire. Folks moving here from Boston and elsewhere. I was talking with one man and asked why he moved here. He said the usual things such as taxes, lower cost of living, better schools, etc. I then asked him if he was voting the same way here as he did in Massachusetts. When he blushed I knew the answer then asked him why he wants to bring the bad stuff he left here. His response was "That's the way I've always voted."
That, and the power of projection, many dim voters start to believe all of the problems of where they left were caused by conservatives. No facts, no logic, but the progressives blame their failures on those evil conservatives.
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We have that problem in southern New Hampshire. Folks moving here from Boston and elsewhere. I was talking with one man and asked why he moved here. He said the usual things such as taxes, lower cost of living, better schools, etc. I then asked him if he was voting the same way here as he did in Massachusetts. When he blushed I knew the answer then asked him why he wants to bring the bad stuff he left here. His response was "That's the way I've always voted."
Some people are really, really DENSE. I see it here in PA now. My suburb which used to be a mixture of farms and some development is now becoming solidly Metro Area Suburb bringing people from the closer in Democrat suburbs, city, Jersey, New York and elsewhere. All Democrat voters and now the entire county is solidly DEMOCRAT electing these Soros and Bloomberg backed idiots.
Most of the candidates on the state and Fed level were first time Women idiots that just happen to all have the same talking points and backers. Anti legal gun, anti fossil fuel and all the rest of the nonsense. It is happening everywhere.
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https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/01/california-passes-insane-new-law-limiting-personal-water-usage-with-massive-fines-video/
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https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/01/california-passes-insane-new-law-limiting-personal-water-usage-with-massive-fines-video/
Snopes says the fines are for municipalities not individuals. But it amounts to the same thing. How are municipalities supposed to limit water usage among private citizens. This is insane.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/california-laundry-and-shower/
And I don’t necessarily believe snopes either. I’d like to see what a lawyer says about this.
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Snopes says the fines are for municipalities not individuals. But it amounts to the same thing. How are municipalities supposed to limit water usage among private citizens. This is insane.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/california-laundry-and-shower/
And I don’t necessarily believe snopes either. I’d like to see what a lawyer says about this.
Snopes is notoriously inaccurate and incompetent.
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Snopes is notoriously inaccurate and incompetent.
Don't forget extremely leftist.
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Snopes says the fines are for municipalities not individuals. But it amounts to the same thing. How are municipalities supposed to limit water usage among private citizens. This is insane.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/california-laundry-and-shower/
And I don’t necessarily believe snopes either. I’d like to see what a lawyer says about this.
Snopes is incorrect and should read the actual law before spouting ignorant opinion.
SEC. 2. Section 377 of the Water Code is amended to read:
377. (a) From and after the publication or posting of any ordinance or resolution pursuant to Section 376, a violation of a requirement of a water conservation program adopted pursuant to Section 376 is a misdemeanor. A person convicted under this subdivision shall be punished by imprisonment in the county jail for not more than 30 days, or by a fine not exceeding one thousand dollars ($1,000), or by both.
(b) A court or public entity may hold a person civilly liable in an amount not to exceed ten thousand dollars ($10,000) for a violation of any of the following:
Clearly an individual can be charged.
Guess no more swimming pools in California.
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Snopes is incorrect and should read the actual law before spouting ignorant opinion.
Clearly an individual can be charged.
Guess no more swimming pools in California.
Well that’s not the first time Snopes twisted the truth. The truth is, it does NOT state that you can’t shower and do laundry on the same day. But it does require municipalities to create “programs” and if the restriction of the program leads to insufficient water to do both every day, then it looks like “person” is who is charged.
Where is their definition of “person”? Snopes says only the municipalities, not individuals or companies, will be penalized. But not even the Supreme Court agrees on the definition of “person”. Is it citizens of the U.S. only? Any human on U.S. soil? Any human in the world? Only citizens who vote?
It used to be water wasn’t measured every day and probably still isn’t. They used to read your water monthly but I’ve lived in places where they don’t even do that, they “guesstimate” your usage. But I’m sure they’re working on “smart” meters if they haven’t already installed them in some places. We just got a “smart” electric meter. Now they will no longer need to come read our meter every month, they’ll read it from the central office and they will be able to control our power from there too! Supposedly they won’t, any restriction of our power will be voluntary and controlled by us. Yeah right!
Anyhoo, if they still only measure monthly use, they can’t tell if you showered and did laundry on the same day anyway. And the restriction will be averaged out over a month. So technically Snopes is right, the law doesn’t explicitly say you can’t shower and do laundry on the same day. Snopes very often declares something false based on a technicality when in fact the thing is basically true.
They are going about this so wrong. The solution to water shortages is to remove all price controls. People will restrict their own water use when water is very expensive. California is a total hell hole.
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Let's be real here. If the Water Authorities get fined, who do you think they will pass those fines onto? The CONSUMER in the form of surcharges, or RATE HIKES. This is just ANOTHER TAX ON CONSUMERS to enrichen California Government.
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Where is their definition of “person”? Snopes says only the municipalities, not individuals or companies, will be penalized. But not even the Supreme Court agrees on the definition of “person”. Is it citizens of the U.S. only? Any human on U.S. soil? Any human in the world? Only citizens who vote?
Aren't corporations considered "people" too?
It used to be water wasn’t measured every day and probably still isn’t. They used to read your water monthly but I’ve lived in places where they don’t even do that, they “guesstimate” your usage. But I’m sure they’re working on “smart” meters if they haven’t already installed them in some places. We just got a “smart” electric meter. Now they will no longer need to come read our meter every month, they’ll read it from the central office and they will be able to control our power from there too! Supposedly they won’t, any restriction of our power will be voluntary and controlled by us. Yeah right!
They are going about this so wrong. The solution to water shortages is to remove all price controls. People will restrict their own water use when water is very expensive. California is a total hell hole.
I don't have any problem with a graduated rate. The first nnn gallons are at a lower rate. As you use more and more water, the rates increase.
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From https://www.lawserver.com/law/state/california/codes/california_water_code_377 (https://www.lawserver.com/law/state/california/codes/california_water_code_377):
“Terms Used In California Water Code 377”
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“Person: means any person, firm, association, organization, partnership, business trust, corporation, limited liability company, or company”
You’ll find a similar definition of person in the FAA CFRs.
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Aren't corporations considered "people" too?
Corporations are legal pieces of paper, but yes they are run by people.
I don't have any problem with a graduated rate. The first nnn gallons are at a lower rate. As you use more and more water, the rates increase.
So the working poor and middle income earners with large families and water needs get penalized which impacts their financials greatly, and the rich don't care because they can afford it. That is a very regressive way to provide water.
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So the working poor and middle income earners with large families and water needs get penalized which impacts their financials greatly, and the rich don't care because they can afford it. That is a very regressive way to provide water.
The point is to conserve water. The more it costs the less will be used. The point is NOT to be fair to poor people that have too many kids. There are already too many programs to incentivize that. If the poor have a hard time paying for extra water, they have it within their power to waste less.
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The point is to conserve water. The more it costs the less will be used. The point is NOT to be fair to poor people that have too many kids. There are already too many programs to incentivize that. If the poor have a hard time paying for extra water, they have it within their power to waste less.
B.S. The point is to further tax people anyway they can. This is a VERY regressive way to charge people for a NECESSITY. If they really wanted to conserve water they would look at their own government entities and industries that use a lot of water, and not tax them but incentivize water saving measures.
Just taxing people more for a necessity is not the way to do it.
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B.S. The point is to further tax people anyway they can. This is a VERY regressive way to charge people for a NECESSITY. If they really wanted to conserve water they would look at their own government entities and industries that use a lot of water, and not tax them but incentivize water saving measures.
Just taxing people more for a necessity is not the way to do it.
https://www.vox.com/2015/4/10/8379221/california-drought-water-crisis
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From what I understand, there is no such restriction on county clubs and government entities...
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https://www.vox.com/2015/4/10/8379221/california-drought-water-crisis
I never thought I would see the day you would have a VOX link in your post to support a position. However, the article is pretty darn good (see even I can be open minded). Yes, it cites "Global Warming" as one of the causes, but it is actually good at describing the situation and history. Very informative.
If they are right that farming consumes 80% of the water, maybe they should start there and see if water can be provided and used more efficiently, and not just looking at FINES all the time.
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I never thought I would see the day you would have a VOX link in your post to support a position. However, the article is pretty darn good (see even I can be open minded). Yes, it cites "Global Warming" as one of the causes, but it is actually good at describing the situation and history. Very informative.
If they are right that farming consumes 80% of the water, maybe they should start there and see if water can be provided and used more efficiently, and not just looking at FINES all the time.
I actually post articles from both sides. I've posted CNN, WashPo, Vox, Slate, Atlantic, Politico, etc. And I read various left wing sites daily. One just has to be able to recognize the bias and sift through for the information.
On occasion these sites have a "moment of clarity" where they actually act like journalist. Rare, but it does happen.
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I actually post articles from both sides. I've posted CNN, WashPo, Vox, Slate, Atlantic, Politico, etc. And I read various left wing sites daily. One just has to be able to recognize the bias and sift through for the information.
On occasion these sites have a "moment of clarity" where they actually act like journalist. Rare, but it does happen.
Well aren't you special.
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Well aren't you special.
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How often have we been accused of "only reading far right wing" media? ::)
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How often have we been accused of "only reading far right wing" media? ::)
True. I do read VOX but just for comic relief and look at MSN and CNN most days. I have left MSN as my opening page on my browser so I am forced to see the left wing propaganda daily. They are awful, but it is good to know what the propagandists are trying to sell the masses.
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How often have we been accused of "only reading far right wing" media? ::)
That is pure leftist projection.
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The natives are restless! But the government may be too corrupt to allow itself to be overthrown by petition.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MF5HumSCUTc#