PILOT SPIN
Pilot Zone => Pilot Zone => Topic started by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on January 26, 2020, 12:49:26 PM
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has been killed in a helicopter crash.
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Had to google the name to see who he was.
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Had to google the name to see who he was.
I'm not a basketball fan, but even I knew who Kobe Bryant was.
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I'm not a basketball fan, but even I knew who Kobe Bryant was.
He also had controversy that made national and international news which many non basketball fans remember, but that was back in 2003, so many have maybe forgotten.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/kobe-bryants-disturbing-rape-case-the-dna-evidence-the-accusers-story-and-the-half-confession
https://www.cnn.com/2003/LAW/07/18/kobe.bryant/
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I'm not a basketball fan, but even I knew who Kobe Bryant was.
I don't follow any sports, nor do I follow celebrities. Hence why I had to google the name.
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I wonder what dirt he had on the Clintons?
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I wonder what dirt he had on the Clintons?
I'm thinking it's waaaaay too soon.
(and usually the arkancides don't take out numerous innocent people... Ron Brown notwithstanding)
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He also had controversy that made national and international news which many non basketball fans remember, but that was back in 2003, so many have maybe forgotten.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/kobe-bryants-disturbing-rape-case-the-dna-evidence-the-accusers-story-and-the-half-confession
https://www.cnn.com/2003/LAW/07/18/kobe.bryant/
Thank you. That was my recollection as well, but you don’t get that from the sick fawning media. Sadly, there likely were some non-rapists out of the 9 that died, and we will never know their names.
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Thank you. That was my recollection as well, but you don’t get that from the sick fawning media. Sadly, there likely were some non-rapists out of the 9 that died, and we will never know their names.
The local Philly media and of course national media is just tripping over themselves to tell everyone how great Kobe was. He was a VERY arrogant and entitled athlete and celebrity. The police reports from his RAPE case told a story of an abusive, uncooperative LIAR who's fame and money got him off the rape charge. He essentially paid everyone off including the victim and made it all go away. The media of course quickly forgot all about it, yet bring up Trump's pussy statement from 25 years ago daily.
I don't understand why people get so wrapped up with celebrities and athletes.
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I don't understand why people get so wrapped up with celebrities and athletes.
There are people at work today who are shaken and upset, and I just don't get it. Yes, he was a good and popular player, but hell, nobody here has ever met the dude. Worshiping false idols and all that...
My main interest is what happened (although I think it's a combination of scud running and getthereitis), and what we can learn from the accident.
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My main interest is what happened (although I think it's a combination of scud running and getthereitis), and what we can learn from the accident.
From what I've been reading, it's JFK Jr. in a helicopter.
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There are people at work today who are shaken and upset, and I just don't get it. Yes, he was a good and popular player, but hell, nobody here has ever met the dude. Worshiping false idols and all that...
My main interest is what happened (although I think it's a combination of scud running and getthereitis), and what we can learn from the accident.
He was circling outside the Class C waiting for IFR traffic to be sequenced in before they would give him a Special VFR clearance into their airspace. It seemed like he lost situational awareness, and had controlled flight into terrain which was a hillside. He may have had spatial disorientation as well, like what was speculated with JFK Jr.
It will be interesting to see what the NTSB say. I don't know a heck of a lot about helicopter ops and how much they file and fly IFR, but in that weather I would certainly have been on a IFR flight plan.
As Kobe grew up in this area the local media is all over it including the typical crap about how unsafe small planes and helos are and also how may celebrities have died in them over the years. So sensationalistic. I hate the media.
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From what I've been reading, it's JFK Jr. in a helicopter.
Not quite. This was a Part 135 charter, and the pilot was a commercially rated pilot with an instrument rating. What this is looking more and more like is a CFIT.
The area they were going was off airport (no instrument approach) and even if he went IFR, he could not descend to VFR in the area due to high MEA and MVA. His only other avenue would have been to fly IFR to a close airport, fly the approach then break out and attempt a low level VFR (scud run) to the LZ, which probably would have the same results. Of course, he could have gone IFR, flown the approach and had a car drive them to the event.
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Not quite. This was a Part 135 charter, and the pilot was a commercially rated pilot with an instrument rating. What this is looking more and more like is a CFIT.
The area they were going was off airport (no instrument approach) and even if he went IFR, he could not descend to VFR in the area due to high MEA and MVA. His only other avenue would have been to fly IFR to a close airport, fly the approach then break out and attempt a low level VFR (scud run) to the LZ, which probably would have the same results. Of course, he could have gone IFR, flown the approach and had a car drive them to the event.
Seems pretty likely to me. Your last sentence describes what I would have done, and if the big egos on board said otherwise due to being inconvenienced, I would have told them either my way or get another pilot.
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Not quite. This was a Part 135 charter, and the pilot was a commercially rated pilot with an instrument rating. What this is looking more and more like is a CFIT.
You're right... "on demand 135". I was thinking it was Part 91. Certainly not a good day to be scud-running. Helicopter IFR seems to be a totally different beast than fixed-wing IFR. Aircraft seemed capable, pilot was capable. Maybe he wanted to land off-airport at his destination vs. do an approach and then drive? I'm sure that we'll hear a lot more about it as the facts come out. Very tragic for all involved directly or indirectly.
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ATC audio:
https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=kpcDU_1580125087
Tim
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Pretty sure the pilot was ATP rated.
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Pretty sure the pilot fucked regardless of his certificate. Was he afraid to tell Kobe he needed to turn back?
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Pretty sure the pilot fucked regardless of his certificate. Was he afraid to tell Kobe he needed to turn back?
Pilot: Kobe, we have to go IFR so we will land at the Class C and you'll have to get ground transportation to your destination.
Kobe: No fucking way. I'm Kobe Bryant. GET US THERE or ELSE!
Pilot: Errr, well ok....... I guess we can scud run.
For some reason that scenario keeps playing in my head.
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Pilot: Kobe, we have to go IFR so we will land at the Class C and you'll have to get ground transportation to your destination.
Kobe: No fucking way. I'm Kobe Bryant. GET US THERE or ELSE!
Pilot: Errr, well ok....... I guess we can scud run.
For some reason that scenario keeps playing in my head.
Exactly what I think as well. Kobe has been on many talk shows and always raves about how great it is to fly around the LA basin in a helicopter, beating traffic, and arriving in style. So imagine the $500 million dollar man who's dropping $5k/hr to ride in the S-76 being told he's going to have to land out, rent a car or limo, and be late to his own game. A game that mere car drivers have already arrived to on time.
I'd image that was a no-go with Kobe. This pilot had no balls, didn't stand up to the boss, and because of it everyone died. IMHO yada yada yada...
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Exactly what I think as well. Kobe has been on many talk shows and always raves about how great it is to fly around the LA basin in a helicopter, beating traffic, and arriving in style. So imagine the $500 million dollar man who's dropping $5k/hr to ride in the S-76 being told he's going to have to land out, rent a car or limo, and be late to his own game. A game that mere car drivers have already arrived to on time.
I'd image that was a no-go with Kobe. This pilot had no balls, didn't stand up to the boss, and because of it everyone died. IMHO yada yada yada...
I'll disagree.
Non aviators are scared of what they don't understand. I believe the situation here was a pilot who exceeded his own limitations. The pilot was considered "Kobe's pilot" so there was a bit of ego going. And that ego would have been bruised by making his boss and pal have to drive into the game. Had the pilot told the boss the real situation, I seriously doubt Bryant would have tried to make him push ahead.
JMO.
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I'll disagree.
Non aviators are scared of what they don't understand. I believe the situation here was a pilot who exceeded his own limitations. The pilot was considered "Kobe's pilot" so there was a bit of ego going. And that ego would have been bruised by making his boss and pal have to drive into the game. Had the pilot told the boss the real situation, I seriously doubt Bryant would have tried to make him push ahead.
JMO.
Could be. That's believable. Could have been either the pilot's ego, Kobe's ego, both, or neither for that matter. I know, that I wouldn't have done that VFR in a fixed wing. I realize helos are a different animal, but still flying that close to terrain in that kind of ceiling and visibility is pretty nuts.
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I'll disagree.
Non aviators are scared of what they don't understand. I believe the situation here was a pilot who exceeded his own limitations. The pilot was considered "Kobe's pilot" so there was a bit of ego going. And that ego would have been bruised by making his boss and pal have to drive into the game. Had the pilot told the boss the real situation, I seriously doubt Bryant would have tried to make him push ahead.
JMO.
Ha! Maybe we'll bet a $100 burger on this one lol.
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Could be. That's believable. Could have been either the pilot's ego, Kobe's ego, both, or neither for that matter. I know, that I wouldn't have done that VFR in a fixed wing. I realize helos are a different animal, but still flying that close to terrain in that kind of ceiling and visibility is pretty nuts.
Helicopters are a different world due to the capability. This is why the regulations on cloud and visibility are different for helos versus fixed wing.
Remember the swiss cheese model or the accident chain? All accidents aren't caused by just one event, it's a series of small events that lead up to it. Break one link in the chain and it stops the accident.
Low vis, mountainous terrain, VIP pax, pilot ego, etc.
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Helicopters are a different world due to the capability. This is why the regulations on cloud and visibility are different for helos versus fixed wing.
Remember the swiss cheese model or the accident chain? All accidents aren't caused by just one event, it's a series of small events that lead up to it. Break one link in the chain and it stops the accident.
Low vis, mountainous terrain, VIP pax, pilot ego, etc.
I believe Special VFR for helos just requires visibility of the ground, and not the one mile, clear of clouds requirement for fixed wing. The regs state one mile visibility (except for helicopters), but it doesn't say what that requirement is. I've only been in a helo once, an R44 on a VFR, clear day. It was a lot of fun. I can see why Kobe got addicted to them, plus the convenience, especially with L.A. traffic.
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I believe Special VFR for helos just requires visibility of the ground, and not the one mile, clear of clouds requirement for fixed wing. The regs state one mile visibility (except for helicopters), but it doesn't say what that requirement is. I've only been in a helo once, an R44 on a VFR, clear day. It was a lot of fun. I can see why Kobe got addicted to them, plus the convenience, especially with L.A. traffic.
You're correct, helo's only have to stay clear of clouds and not hit anything. Because helicopters can slow down and maneuver they are allowed low mins. All they really have to do is remain just above ETL and creep along.
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You're correct, helo's only have to stay clear of clouds and not hit anything. Because helicopters can slow down and maneuver they are allowed low mins. All they really have to do is remain just above ETL and creep along.
Something this guy didn't appear to be able to do. :'(
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Something this guy didn't appear to be able to do. :'(
Saturation overload. High profile VIP in back, low vis, low ceilings, late due to traffic at BUR. Never exceed your limitations or the aircraft's limitations.
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Speaking is saturation overload, so NBA teams are taking 24 second and 8 second violations (whatever those are) to honor Kobe because those were his numbers.
What ever happened to just having a moment of silence before the national anthem, and playing the game?
I guess breaking the rules is an appropriate honor for a deceased accused rapist.
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For the last two and a half days it has been constant Kobe memories, adulation, glorification, and interviewing everybody the media can think of, even the typical man on the street. Today, I thought it would subside, but no, it is more of the same AND highlighting all the ceremonies all over to honor him. Next will be the funeral where we will have to relive it all over again. For a basketball player.
But, here's why:
1. He was a really, really good basketball player.
2. He's Black.
3. He's "woke" and embraces all the celebrity PC, woke, SJW causes and mantra.
4. He's Black.
5. He had children of which one unfortunately died with him.
6. He was a Media darling.
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I guess breaking the rules is an appropriate honor for a deceased accused rapist.
wait until wlliam jefferson clinton passes away.
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wait until wlliam jefferson clinton passes away.
Now THATs someone who has dirt on Hillary!
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I'll disagree.
Non aviators are scared of what they don't understand. I believe the situation here was a pilot who exceeded his own limitations. The pilot was considered "Kobe's pilot" so there was a bit of ego going. And that ego would have been bruised by making his boss and pal have to drive into the game. Had the pilot told the boss the real situation, I seriously doubt Bryant would have tried to make him push ahead.
JMO.
Pilot or Kobe, either way it was get-there-itis. :(