PILOT SPIN
Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: Username on February 19, 2020, 07:30:26 AM
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I don't know what to make of this. Trump pardoned Blagojevich a former Illinois Democrat governor who tried to sell Obama's senate seat among other things. He also pardoned 10 others. He served 8 of 14 years. I don't know much about the others, but living in Illinois (but well away from Chicago) at the time, there was widespread outrage about the governor's behavior. Perhaps the sentence was too harsh, perhaps it was because the crime was attempted vs. performed. I don't know. But I'm a bit unsettled with these pardons.
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It's all part of a strategy Trump has. He shows leniency to the other side, the side that will do everything to stop him. It will show he is the bigger man.
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It might have something to do with prosecutorial. Misconduct...
But, by all means, pretend outrage,
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I don't know what to make of this. Trump pardoned Blagojevich a former Illinois Democrat governor who tried to sell Obama's senate seat among other things. He also pardoned 10 others. He served 8 of 14 years. I don't know much about the others, but living in Illinois (but well away from Chicago) at the time, there was widespread outrage about the governor's behavior. Perhaps the sentence was too harsh, perhaps it was because the crime was attempted vs. performed. I don't know. But I'm a bit unsettled with these pardons.
I think it’s a few things.
First, MCabe and Comey were involved in the prosecution of Blago, so I have no doubt this was a flanking jab at those two criminals.
Also, he can say “You want prison reform? This is what prison reform looks like. Still want it?”
I’m more unsettled by the Milken pardon.
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Trump pardoned Blagojevich a former Illinois Democrat governor who tried to sell Obama's senate seat among other things. He served 8 of 14 years.
He commuted his sentence- not a pardon.
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It's all part of a strategy Trump has. He shows leniency to the other side, the side that will do everything to stop him. It will show he is the bigger man.
I think that's it, and the timing of just before the Democrat debate is great. I'm not outraged, just a little unsettled. The sentences were harsh, and I don't trust the prosecution. But the cast of characters being pardoned gives plenty of ammunition to the opposition.
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He commuted his sentence- not a pardon.
Ah, got it. Still guilty but sentence shortened.
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I am a believer in that inmates that are NOT a threat to society be released from prison and put on house arrest or have other forms of punishment, like community service depending on their crimes. Warehousing, non violent criminals is costly and counterproductive. I view Pedophilia as a violent crime, btw. Yes, there are other exceptions.
In every major city in the U.S. criminals with multiple FELONIES, including violent, gun related Felonies are allowed to walk, or spend little jail time as DA's plead down the charges to get quick, no trial convictions. The result is that these Felons are back on the street too quickly only to commit violent crimes again, often using illegally obtained guns. It is what they do.
Keep those Felons in jail and make room for them by releasing others that are not a threat.
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Keep in mind federal prosecutors have a 95% conviction rate. Think about that.
And it's evident that in the cases that are political, the sentencing depending upon political affiliation can be severe, and above what the guidelines call for.
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Keep in mind federal prosecutors have a 95% conviction rate. Think about that.
And it's evident that in the cases that are political, the sentencing depending upon political affiliation can be severe, and above what the guidelines call for.
That's because they offer pleas to avoid trial. And where they defendant has multiple charges, the plea deal is for the lesser charge and the more severe charges are dropped.
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That's because they offer pleas to avoid trial. And where they defendant has multiple charges, the plea deal is for the lesser charge and the more severe charges are dropped.
I understand the plea bargaining. The fact that federal prosecutors have such a high conviction rate, even with plea bargaining, is unsettling.
Bottom line, if a fed has someone in the cross hairs, they are in huge trouble. And with the techniques the feds employ, it's a mine field.
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I understand the plea bargaining. The fact that federal prosecutors have such a high conviction rate, even with plea bargaining, is unsettling.
Bottom line, if a fed has someone in the cross hairs, they are in huge trouble. And with the techniques the feds employ, it's a mine field.
Federal prosecutors are lazy. They won't charge unless the agents/officers case is almost 100% promise of a conviction. And you would be surprised how incompetent some federal prosecutors are. They need a slam dunk case.
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Federal prosecutors are lazy. They won't charge unless the agents/officers case is almost 100% promise of a conviction. And you would be surprised how incompetent some federal prosecutors are. They need a slam dunk case.
One doesn't have to work very hard when the deck is stacked in their favor, hence federal prosecutors. And some of the techniques they employ in order to get pleas is unsettling.
Bottom line, if they want someone bad enough, they can make it happen.
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One doesn't have to work very hard when the deck is stacked in their favor, hence federal prosecutors. And some of the techniques they employ in order to get pleas is unsettling.
Bottom line, if they want someone bad enough, they can make it happen.
Unsettling how?
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Keep in mind federal prosecutors have a 95% conviction rate. Think about that.
And it's evident that in the cases that are political, the sentencing depending upon political affiliation can be severe, and above what the guidelines call for.
This is actually crossing the line into the territory of political prisoners, a thing that never should happen in the free US of A.
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This is actually crossing the line into the territory of political prisoners, a thing that never should happen in the free US of A.
Our "Justice" System is very flawed. It is largely designed today, especially at the County level to generate REVENUE. Law enforcement is determined to get people into the system and force them to buy their way out as much as possible.
At higher levels money, a LOT of money can buy you out as well as political connections. Let's see what Harvey Weinstein and people like him actually get sentenced. They may need to make an example of him, but my guess he will get very little if any jail time and left to wallow in his money.
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Our "Justice" System is very flawed. It is largely designed today, especially at the County level to generate REVENUE. Law enforcement is determined to get people into the system and force them to buy their way out as much as possible.
At higher levels money, a LOT of money can buy you out as well as political connections. Let's see what Harvey Weinstein and people like him actually get sentenced. They may need to make an example of him, but my guess he will get very little if any jail time and left to wallow in his money.
Very true. We have a three tiered system. The average joe it's a revenue generator as you say. I was shocked to learn that when you're arrested and jailed, then let go because you're innocent and never convicted, they send you a BILL for your room and board while jailed!
There are two different tiers at the top. If you're of the "correct" political persuasion you can as you say buy your way out. But if you are on the wrong side, you'll be convicted of some minor procedure crime or white collar crime and sent away for a long prison term - you're really a political prisoner.
If it's true that over 90% of FBI investigators are Democrats, that exceeds the critical mass where one group of humans coalesces into a righteous tribe, and makes enemies of the "not like us". We have the same problem now in universities. When conservative professors dropped at or below 10%, they become targets of active persecution. I am not indulging in a right wing conspiracy fantasy; I have a letter to my father from one of these professors who was targeted and blacklisted for his political views by a certain university taken over by progressive neo-marxists in the 70s.
Political persecution is going on in this country against the right. There was persecution against the left in the past, that was wrong too.
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Federal prosecutors are lazy. They won't charge unless the agents/officers case is almost 100% promise of a conviction. And you would be surprised how incompetent some federal prosecutors are. They need a slam dunk case.
Very interesting. You would know.
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Very true. We have a three tiered system. The average joe it's a revenue generator as you say. I was shocked to learn that when you're arrested and jailed, then let go because you're innocent and never convicted, they send you a BILL for your room and board while jailed!
There are two different tiers at the top. If you're of the "correct" political persuasion you can as you say buy your way out. But if you are on the wrong side, you'll be convicted of some minor procedure crime or white collar crime and sent away for a long prison term - you're really a political prisoner.
If it's true that over 90% of FBI investigators are Democrats, that exceeds the critical mass where one group of humans coalesces into a righteous tribe, and makes enemies of the "not like us". We have the same problem now in universities. When conservative professors dropped at or below 10%, they become targets of active persecution. I am not indulging in a right wing conspiracy fantasy; I have a letter to my father from one of these professors who was targeted and blacklisted for his political views by a certain university taken over by progressive neo-marxists in the 70s.
Political persecution is going on in this country against the right. There was persecution against the left in the past, that was wrong too.
Yep.
Two words: Lois Lerner.
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I am sure it no shock to any here but I heard multiple times today
President Trump commuted the sentence of Rob Blagojevich who appeared on Celebrity Apprentice with Trump.
Weird I never heard Democratic Governor of Illinois
I know I listened to wrong news.
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I am sure it no shock to any here but I heard multiple times today
President Trump commuted the sentence of Rob Blagojevich who appeared on Celebrity Apprentice with Trump.
Weird I never heard Democratic Governor of Illinois
I know I listened to wrong news.
well, at least they say "commuted" rather than "pardon"...
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This is actually crossing the line into the territory of political prisoners, a thing that never should happen in the free US of A.
Yep.